here at 4:25. good morning. it is monday, april 2, 2012. welcome to studio 57. at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. it is just 24 hours until the key winner takes primary in wisconsin. so, has the white house already set its sights on mitt romney? plus new questions after last night's "60 minutes" report claiming sugar is toxic and starting a major public health cries. i'm gayle king. she's been called the most influential woman in the world. oprah winfrey is with us to talk about the next chapter in her life. sailors around the world

rescued after a rogue wave tears apart their yacht. we'll have the best from country music's big night. taylor swift walk as way the big winner. we begin with a look at today's eye opener, your world in 90 seconds. >> the person you select on tuesday may well be the person who faces barack obama in the fall. >> the republican front-runner closes in on the nomination. >> a big win for romney on tuesday in wisconsin would kind of finalize things. >> the establishment has tried to convince republicans across this country that they need mitt romney shoved down their throat. >> the important thing to remember is that everyone is safe and sound. >> the coast guard rescues two sailors off a stricken yacht in the pacific. >> taking part in an around the world race. >> slammed by a wave off the coast of san francisco. >> what do we want? >> justice! >> thing are being leaked out and i believe he's going to be arrested very soon. >> plane crashed in siberia.

>> from northeast kansas, the fatal crash of a motor home. the driver lost control, hit a guardrail before crashing into a ravine. >> tonight's academy of country music awards, taylor swift won big. >> it's exciting. thank you. >> university of kentucky say they are ready to control the crowd. fans got out of control after kentucky's win saturday night. >> the new york post is reporting the mega jackpot could lead to mega lawsuits in maryland. >> all that -- ♪ i'm only a paper boy as happy as i can be ♪ >> -- and all that matters -- >> it's huge! >> -- on "cbs this morning." >> mitt romney is building a car elevator in his house. i'm not worried he's out of touch. i'm not worried he's out of touch. i'm worried he's batman.

captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." we begin with politics and a key moment in the presidential race. if mitt romney wins tomorrow's primary in wisconsin, he'll be more than halfway to clinching his party's nomination. >> and president obama's re-election campaign appears ready for that. joe biden used one three-word phrase repeatedly to attack the republican front-runner. >> i think governor romney is out of touch. i think it's totally out of touch. with reality. i find that just totally out of touch with what most americans think about american jobs. i can't remember a presidential candidate in the recent past who seems not to understand by what he says what ordinary middle class people are thinking about or concerned about.

>> this morning a new poll in wisconsin and 11 other key states has some good news for the president. the "usa today"/gallup poll shows president obama leading mitt romney 51% to 42% in those 12 states. chip reid is in milwaukee following the romney campaign. good morning. >> reporter: well, good morning, erica and charlie. you know, maryland and the district of columbia also vote tomorrow, but all eyes are on wisconsin. mitt romney hopes this will be a big step toward clinching the nomination. rick santorum says, not so fast. a string of endorsements from the republican party establishment and increasing numbers in the poll left mitt romney a bit more light-hearted on the campaign trail this weekend. >> wisconsin? from massachusetts. president. >> reporter: all kidding aside, the republican front-runner sounding more confident than other ignored his republican rivals and attacked president

obama. >> this president can't run on his record. and so he's going to try every way he can to divert to some other kind of attack and try to have people disqualifying our nominee, which will be me. >> reporter: the white house took on mitt romney during president biden's interview on "face the nation". >> what is the romney answer? nothing. all they answer is cut, get rid of that, get rid of that. this is about the middle class. and none of what he's offering does anything. >> reporter: meanwhile, growing numbers of republicans are calling on rick santorum to get out of the race for the good of the party. santorum pointed to romney's actions as reason to stay in. >> then why is he spending $4 million in wisconsin if the race is over? if it's over, there's no chance, why is he bothering in don't campaign anymore if it's over. >> reporter: newt gingrich who has only won two contests acknowledged over the weekend

romney is the likely nominee but he's going to make him work for it. now, whatever happens here in wisconsin, both campaigns are already looking ahead to pen pep. that's rick santorum's home state. just a few weeks ago, he was ahead by 30 points there in one poll, but now look, he's ahead by two points. it's really a dead heat. the romney says they're gaining, they're going to pass him and they think that will be the final act in this campaign and it will be mitt romney's. >> so, if in fact the romney momentum overtakes santorum in pennsylvania, will the former senator from pennsylvania then finally say it's over? >> reporter: i don't think so. i tell you, first of all, of course, they will not concede that they will have any chance of losing pennsylvania. they believe he's going to win big there. secondly, there are five races in may in the south, including texas, arkansas and kentucky, where rick santorum has shown some big leads in the polls. so, anybody who thinks this is going to be over soon isn't listening to rick santorum. >> always a lot of things of a

very serious nature on the campaign trail but lighter moments, as ind it, specifically with the romney campaign. that all important date of april 1st, chip. >> reporter: yes. he was supposed to show up at a big pancake breakfast yesterday, to a big crowd. his staff decided to play a little joke on him. they led him into a room that looked like it was supposed to be ready for a pancake breakfast but it was empty. and he was a little surprised when that happened. but truth is, upstairs was the real pancake breakfast and there were 300 people waiting for him. april fool's. >> chip reid, thanks very much. protests over the shooting death of trayvon martin moved to miami, florida, on sunday as thousands of people called for an arrest in the case. >> martin's parents want the justice department to investigate whether florida prosecutors have been negligent by not charging a neighborhood watch volunteer who killed their son. elaine quijano is in miami this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, charlie and erica. that's right. the family's lawyer tells us they'll file a formal request today asking the feds to

investigate why the state attorney allegedly overruled cops who wanted to arrest zimmerman the night of the shoot npg comes on the heels of yet another massive rally in martin's hometown. >> each and every one of you mean so much to us to see you all here. >> reporter: five weeks after trayvon martin was killed, his mother sybrina fulton spoke to a crowd in miami, demanding justice for her son's death. strangers like mark lumsden showed up by the thousands to show their support. >> i made an effort to come out with my friends because this totally upsets me. >> reporter: the case has sparked questions nationwide about whether race played a role in the killing. george zimmerman insists he shot martin in self-defense after the teen attacked him inside this gated community in sanford, florida. but martin's relatives, including his brother, don't accept that story. >> it's just baffling how peo e people, they just take his word for it as if that's exactly what

happened and no question about it. >> reporter: a newly released emergency dispatch recording is offering more details into the shooting. >> multiple shooting. >> reporter: the tape shows a second ambulance sent to the scene was called off bringings ive airty of zimmerman's injuries into question. last night martin's mother said she's confident zimmerman will end up behind bars. >> i just truly believe that they are still investigating, but things are being leaked out and i believe he's going to be arrested very soon. >> reporter: over the weekend, activists marched on the sanford police department, demanding zimmerman be jailed. >> no justice! >> reporter: protesters echoed those calls in miami. more proof that passion stirred up by this case show no signs of staving. a florida special prosecutor has

begun her investigation but says she'll have no comment until it's complete. and the fbi is also investigating. >> elaine, thank you. a coast guard cutter is expected to reach san francisco this morning carrying two badly injured british sailors. as national correspondent lee cowen reports, they were rescued from a racing yacht in the pacific that was battered by a giant rogue wave. >> reporter: they are the kind of boats most sailors dream of, 68 feet of pure wind-blown beauty but for the crew of the "geraldton western australia" that dream became a nightmare. two members of the crew, a 50-year-old doctor and a 29-year-old software engineer h to be rescued by the coast guard late sunday night after being injured in a storm so violent, it ripped the helm clean off the boat's deck. they were participating in a clipper round the world yacht race, the longest of its kind for amateurs, some 40,000 miles. across the north pacific was the

hardest and the geraldton's crew was apprehensive even before it began. >> going to stay there, slightly nervous about this. >> reporter: on saturday the fleet of ten racing boats hit a stone, the likes of which many had never seen. >> times you almost want to give up, but none of us gave up. we worked really, really hard throughout. >> reporter: the geraldton took it the hardest. the skipper told the coast guard a monster foaming swell came over the stern. ripped the wheel off its mount, sending it overboard, leaving them temporarily adrift. rescuers could only air drop medical supplies to the sailors below. it wasn't until before dusk last night that the most seriously injured were finally taken aboard a coast guard cutter to safety. as fort geraldton, after some repairs, it's going to continue the competition. she was built for racing and it seems so was her crew. for "cbs this morning," i'm lee

cowen in los angeles. in burma election results are not official but it appears that pro democracy leader aung san suu kyi has won a seat in parliament. this morning the noble peace prize winner told supporters sunday's election was a triumph of the people. she struggled against burma's oppressive government for a quarter century. battle for control of syria, activists there say more than two dozen people have been killed today as government troops shelled the city of homs. >> the u.s. and dozens of other countries are warning syria's government again to end the violence. foreign correspondent clarissa ward is in istanbul, turkey, where she spoke to secretary of state hillary clinton at a meeting with other world leaders. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, charlie and erica. well, topping the agenda in yesterday's friends of syria conference was discussion of former u.n. secretary-general kofi anan's six-point peace plan

which president bashar al assad claims to have accepted but yet to implement. and secretary of clinton led an angry chorus of voices demanding there be a set timeline for assad to comply with. >> we think assad must go. the killing must stop. the sooner we get into a process that ends up there, the better. and i think former secretary-general anan understands that. kofi annan has gone to moscow, gone to beijing, met with them, they support his plan, they have urged publicly that assad follow the plan. so, if we have to go back to security council to get authority that would enable us to do more to help the syrians really withstand this kind of terrible assault and get the aid that they need, get the humanitarian assistance they require. >> reporter: so one of the primary pucks of friends of syria is to provide support for

opposition but up to this point we don't see any real coordination and communication among the different -- both armed and political opposition groups inside syria. how much of a frustration is that for you as you go through this process? >> well, i'm encouraged. they're making progress. this is quite difficult. but i am encouraged. what they need is what we are now offering. we are offering assistance to them. and it's a variety of different sorts of assistance. the united states will be offering, in addition to significant humanitarian aid, will be offering technical and logistical support. you mentioned communications. they have a great deal of difficulty communicating inside syria. you were there. you know how hard it is. we think we have some assets that we can get in there, which we will try to do that will enable them to have better communication. >> saudi arabia and some of the gulf states went one step further announcing they would start to pay salaries to rebel

fighters inside the country, funneling essentially millions of dollars inside syria. the hope being that it will encourage more defections from the syrian army. certainly, this is the most direct form of intervention we've seen since this conflict began. >> charlie rose. where do you think the momentum is going on this in terms of helping the rebels in syria? >> well, i think there's a growing sense of disenchantment about trying to pursue a purely diplomatic process. clearly, president bashar al assad has flouted kofi anan's six-point peace plan. we're seeing today shelling continuing in the city of homs. i think there is definitely a sense with this conference yesterday more interest in pursuing other options, more direct forms of intervention being put onto the table for the first time. but certainly the u.s. still preferring to take a step a little further back and try to pursue that diplomatic process

first. >> clarissa ward in istanbul, turkey, thank you. a russian passenger plane crushed this morning in siberia, killing at least 31 people. the twin-engine plane crashed in a snow covered feel three minutes after taking off. russian emergency officials say the 12 survivors were seriously hurt. the airline says the pilot tried to make an nj landing. the cause of the crash is not yet known. sources tell cbs news the attorney for jetblue pilot clayton osbon will appear in federal court today in amarillo, texas. >> osbon is still in a hospital there facing charges of interfering with his own flight crew. as michelle miller reports, his wife is speaking out about last week's bizarre midair incident. >> reporter: this newly released enhanced video shows clayton osbon being restrained and now we're hearing from the woman who may know him best, his wife,

connye, thanked the crew. we would like to recognize the crew and passengers of flight 191 for their effective yet compassionate handling of the situation. it is our relief as clayton's family that while he was clearly distressed, he was not intentionally violent toward anyone. that last part of the statement could be a key distinction in the case against him. if the case ever goes to trial, prosecutors will have to prove not only that osbon interfered with the flight crew, but that he had the mental capacity to understand what he was doing and that it was wrong. >> over this 3 1/2 hour period before the first officer was clever enough to get him off the flight deck, these are some very frightening words, descriptions, actions, that were, frankly, quite scary to me when i read them. >> reporter: lawyers will be looking at whether osbon's condition was medical or may

have been brought on by a substance he did not disclose to regulators. >> the faa has a very stringent list of medications, drugs that they are allowed to take while they are actually on flying status. >> reporter: questions about osbon's mental state will be directed primarily to his doctors. lawyers will be drawing on recordings from the plane's black boxes. the ntsb completed its work on tapes from the cockpit and plans to work on flight data information this week. michelle miller, cbs news, new york. it is time to show you some of this morning's headlines from around the globe. in london, "the telegraph" reports on a british government proceed toesal to dramatically increase surveillance on its citizens. it would allow police to monitor their e-mails, phone calls and their favorite websites. the government argues it's necessary to combat terrorism and serious crime. >> "the wall street journal" talking more about the story of a major security breach, credit card processor global payment says hackers stole account numbers and other key

information from up to 1.5 million accounts in north america. visa yanked its seal of approval from the company over the weekend. a mega millions mess in baltimore. the new york post says workers at a mcdonald's who pool their money are furious that a coworker who says she is has one of the winning tickets. miranda wilson says she bought the winning ticket separately and will not share it with the pool. it is worth $105 million after taxes. seattle is going to pick up garbage every other week. they say they plan to test the idea on 800 households in the summer, giving up weekly trash collection could save $6 million a year.

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this is a 2-year-old born in china. pulled out of a dry well after he fell 40 feet down that hole in the weekend. firefighters needed several tries to pull him up. the good news, though, he's all right. welcome back to "cbs this morning." just about a year ago we reported on one doctor's war on sugar. >> now new studies are supporting his claim that sugar doesn't just make us fat, it is actually poisoning us. last night in a "60 minutes" interview dr. sanjay gupta talked to the doctor about the impact sugar has on our diet. >> is sugar toxic? >> reporter: i believe it is. >> reporter: do you worry that sounds a little over the top? >> sure. all the time.

but it's the truth. >> reporter: dr. robert lustig is a pediatric endocrinologist and a pioneer in what is becoming a war against sugar. motivated by his own patients, too many sick and obese children, dr. lustig has concluded that sugar, more than any other substance, is to blame. all these various diseases you say are linked to shuger? >> obesity, type 2 diabetes, hypertension and heart disease itself. >> reporter: lustig says the american lifestyle is killing us. >> and most of it you say is preventable? >> 75% of it is preventable. >> a registered dietitian is with us now, cynthia sass. welcome. >> thank you. >> do we need to examine everything that has sugar in. >> we need to change our habits. the amount of sugar we're

consuming is unprecedented. the american takes in 22 teaspoons, about 17 four-pound bags of sugar per person per year. >> why is it toxic? what does it do? >> think about a glass of water and imagine that's your blood. now think about pouring sugar into that water. the more sugar that's there, the thicker and more syrupy that water gets. when that's happening in your body n your blood, your heart has to work harder to pump that thicker fluid through your system. it puts stress on the heart. it puts stress on the arteries. increases blood pressure. it attacks the kidneys, liver. it's really the amount that we have that's really causing these problems. >> we just saw some numbers on our screen of what the recommended amount of sugar per day is. give us an idea of not only what that actually works out to in terms of food and drink but what sugar is healthy and what is it. >> the healthy sugar comes from

mother nature, that's in fruit, yogurt. when you think about blueberries, that has about 7 grams of fructose but bundled with antioxidants, fibers, minerals. a can of soda has 25 grams of fructose. >> how do awe void the sugar you can't find on a label? >> you need to read the ingredient list. that's the only way to know if the sugar in the product is added, manufactured in, processed in or it's coming from nature. >> nice to see you.

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philanthropist. i think we can just say oprah winfrey. oprah is here. welcome. >> what a pleasure to have you here. >> i'm delighted to be with you guys. you know what i do? >> what. >> i get up in time for the "eye opener". >> because you know you'll learn all that there is, all that matters. >> that's all that there is, all that matters and then i'm done for the day. from the moment -- let me just tell you, charlie. from the moment i heard this was going to happen -- >> i was one of the first people to know. >> i called you or -- >> oh. i took her phone call first. >> i'm sure you did. mine was e-mail, by the way. >> yes. when i first heard you were going to be together, i was so excited for her. and all the people who were saying, how do you feel that gayle is leaving? i was so excited because this is her sweet spot. she loves -- i used to call her eyewitness news gayle because whenever i wanted information about what was going on in the world, i didn't are to read the paper.

i called gayle. >> gayle is excited but this is boring. let's go on to something else. in addition to what's charlie rose really like, people always ask, when is oprah coming on? when is oprah coming on? >> so let's start by talking about the own network. when you set out to create a network, tell me what you wanted to do and where does this thing called "lifeclass" fit in? >> when i set out to do it, david zazlov -- >> head of discovery network. >> yes. had come to me holding a copy of "o" magazine saying he wanted to be able to create a channel that did exactly what the magazine did. inspired people to live their best lives. so, that idea is something that had been stirring inside myself store a very long time. so, the idea of creating a network was something that i wanted to do. had i known it was this difficult, i might have done something else.

>> really? you knew that it was going to be this difficult, you might not have done it? >> oh, absolutely. >> you didn't think it was going to be easy? >> would you let me answer? >> that's my point. >> i didn't think it was going to be easy but i did not know if i knew then what i know now, i might have made different choices. if i were writing a book about it, i could call the book "101 mistakes". >> give us the top five. >> launching when we really weren't ready to launch. doing that because you'd announced you were going to do it. it's like, having the wedding when you know you're not ready. and you're walking down the aisle and you're saying, oh, i don't know if we should be walk down the aisle. maybe we should have postponed this. >> but the invitations are out. >> so we should go ahead. when i think about it now -- but now it's monday-morning quarterbacking -- i would have probably waited until i actually finished the oprah show. because from the day that david

zazlov came in to see me, i said, i'm worried about who's going to lead this train because i can't do it. i know how hard it is to do a daily show, do we not, and i'm -- and i'm in chicago and that's in los angeles. that's going to be very hard. last year, actually, i was sitting literally at the feet of loren michaels, and he said, you have no idea what you set yourself into. he also said, you'll have moments where people -- no one wants to see you come off the "oprah winfrey show" after 25 years of success and step right into the network business. you've got to pay your dues. >> he said they do not want you to well. >> and he says, you'll have failures, you'll have to use some expletives -- >> using expletives? >> i had to use a couple. >> here's what else is happening.

>> what? >> they're writing things about you that are not flattering. >> yeah, i hear that. >> how does that feel to you? you have been -- >> i will tell you -- >> -- so loved, such an icon. you could do no wrong. >> this is the thing, you have to know, though, no matter what anybody writes about you -- i learned this when i was doing "the color purple" with steven spielberg, and at the time i think he was on the cover of "time" magazine and he said, i'm not going to read it. i said, how could you not read? you're on the cover of "time." he said if you believe all the good stuff then you have to believe the unflattering. you're right. i've lived in this glow for the past ten years, at least, because the climb up was also not as easy as everybody remembers. but last week i saw one headline that really sort of knocked me off center. and then i -- >> what was it? >> it was the "usa today" headline that -- >> what did it say? >> oprah not quite standing on her own. oh! >> you felt that way.

>> yeah. what's interesting about that headline, what's really interesting in terms of "lifeclass," "usa today" did a headline in 1988 that said, "oprah the world's biggest classroom." that's my favorite headline ever. the only one in all the years that i actually cut out, that i saved. i thought it was interesting that the newspaper who -- that had given me my favorite all-time headline -- >> but did you ever think, this is really -- i don't need this. i've got everything i wanted. >> oh, yes. >> i've got friends, money, plenty of places i can go, do whatever i want to do, why don't i just say, i don't need this, g good-bye? >> the reason i wouldn't do that -- i would be happy in my garden under the tree with my dogs, reading a book. i'd be happy with that. stedman says, about two weeks. because i'm a very driven person. also i believe that i am here to fulfill a calling. that because i am a female who

is african-american, so blessed in the world, there's never going to be a time to quit. i will -- i will die in the midst of doing what i love to do. and that is, using my voice and using my life to try to inspire other people to live the best of theirs. >> did you ever think about quitting? didn't you have a moment where you go, god -- as charlie just said -- i don't need, it i don't need another pair of shoes -- >> well, i thought that last week. i thought that last week with all the negative press. you know, it's just press. it's just press. it's just press. you know, because a thing appears to not be doing well, and i'd like to siay this to everybody -- because you failed at something, which we haven't failed, but just because you fail doesn't make you a failure. when you know that in the core of yourself, you can keep trying or you can use whatever is happening in that moment to say, maybe i need to move in a new direction. actually, i feel better about our network own today than i ever have. the most painful thing for me,

most painful thing was to have to let people go. i had to lay off three people. we live in a country where lots of people are getting laid off. i let off 30 people and -- >> how wha did you say to them? >> i actually didn't do it. we had a team of personnel people to come in to do it because we wanted to all happen at the same sometime. that isn't what i am good at doing. the first time i had to let somebody go, 1988, took me two hours. i cried more than she did. at the end she said, are you firing am? he i said, well, kind of. so i didn't actually do it, no. >> what's your strategy now? what's your strategy? >> my strategy is, our strategy because nobody does this alone, our strategy is to do what we should have done from the beginning and that is to build one show, one hour, one night at a time. and then move to the next night. so, saturday nights are fantastic for us.

we're now building sunday night. and then you go, move, move, move. >> you know what they want to see, they want to see more oprah, more oprah, more oprah. >> well, we had a great saturday night, so i don't think -- i said from the beginning, this channel can't be based upon me. it has to be based upon my philosophy and my ideas, you know, what i wanted to create and will create is a channel and an environment where people come and we don't waste your time. it's always meaningful. >> just like "cbs this morning." >> yes. >> and, you know, everything takes its time. i would say even for this particular show, y'all know the history of this show. there have been a lot of people put in this show. they finally got it right. >> we have to stop talking because we're going to hit commercial. >> let's go to commercial break. >> but you'll stay. >> of course. >> next hour we'll talk more. >> yes. thank you. >> back in a moment. >> oprah will be back in the next hour. reminder "oprah's lifeclass: the

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this show just getting under way nationally? >> uh-huh. it will do well. >> and if it doesn't -- >> and if it doesn't, i will still do well. i will do well because i'm not defined by a show. you know, i think we are defined by the way we treat ourselves and the way we treat other people. it would be wonderful, you know, talk show host who made it. that would be wonderful. but if that doesn't happen, there are, you know, other important things in my life. >> tell me about that. >> yeah. >> i haven't seen that since that happened. >> i forgot you had done it. they said, we have a clip of oprah on "60 minutes" i said,

where? >> don't i look like sophia? i saw that in the monitor and i thought, sophia, sophia, sophia. >> i also feel the same way -- >> that's exactly what i thought. >> were you going to ask that question? >> yes, but go ahead. absolutely. >> i feel the same way about where i am now with our network. i believe it will work. as i said, i feel better than i ever have. i believe people want to see television that is fun, entertaining, but is also meaningful. what i want to do is use it as a platform for transforming people's lives. that's why i'm in new york to do "lifeclass" but if i see that's not what the audience wants, then i'll move on to the next thing. i literally mean -- i mean, i will always be okay. i live in the center of myself. >> the principle you articulated with mike wallace is the principle you lived with that has made you successful.

>> yes. >> so what's "lifeclass". >> is the reason why i did a network. it as opportunity to bring some of the country's leading thought leaders. tonight it's tony robbins live on own beginning at 9:00 but i'm taping with deepak chopra which airs the next week and giving audience around the world, so we're on facebook, we're on oprah.com, we're talking to people all over the world, twittering, and taking their questions about what matters to them in life with people who can help them lead a better life. >> so they essentially drive -- all these people from around the world are driving this "lifeclass". >> and driven what people want to talk about. they want to talk about their fears, letting go of anger, why they get stuck in life, they want to talk about why -- you know, people really do know, even though we're in this, you know, electronic age where everybody is tweeting all the time, people really do know

there is a loss of connection and that there is a deeper reason for being in the world. and i think every human being, really ultimately wants to do what you get to do here every day for yourself, what i've been able to do in my life, what everybody wants is to fulfill the highest expression of themselves. everybody feels that. but isn't quite sure how do i break the wall and get into the -- into living the best of myself. the stream of the best of myself. >> do you think there's also a desire because we're so connected in so many ways electronically, there's actually a desire to really connect more like we used to on a real level -- >> i think -- i think innately there is a desire to connect more deeply. we all know this isn't really real. >> five people in a car -- >> nobody's talking to each other anymore. does that happen to you? >> yes. you go to dinner and you look at the number of people sneaking looks.

dinner! >> yes, i am a little insulted by that, aren't you? >> indeed. >> yes. i think there needs to be etiquette. >> friendship is very important. one of life's great things. this is friendship here. she doesn't want me to talk about it but i want to talk about it, please. >> well, i'm not going to cry on a morning show. >> please. >> i will say this. >> he's going, cry, cry. >> the executive producer. >> you know i know who chris is. i said to chris this morning, mr. muckity-muck, hello. he's the brain storm behind this. we've been friends since we were -- >> 21 and 22. you're older. >> there is not a better human being in the world. as far as i'm concerned. she's going to become everybody's best friend on this morning show, i can see that. people are reacting. they say that to me in the streets. oprah, i understand why she's your best friend. you know why?

i will tell you why. in all of our years of friendship, she's always been happier for me about anything that occurred in my life. when i left baltimore and coming to chicago, she was the happiest. when i got on "the color purple" she was the happiest. >> and i get madder than you do. >> she gets madder -- last week when everybody was doing the press thing, she was so upset. i said, i only read one thing. i said, don't tell me. but never a moment, a hint of jealousy. always wanting what's best for me. that's what everybody needs in -- >> but you want the same for me. >> that's -- >> that's why when she came to cbs, chris, i was like, i am so happy for her. people are like, aren't you upset? i was just so happy for her because i knew this is where she was supposed to be. this is the combination, y'all. i think cbs has finally gotten it right. >> i do, too. >> i really do. i'm not just saying that -- >> no, you're not. >> i really do.

>> otherwise, open remarks yrah wouldn't be here. >> the best to y'all. >> but let's do erica that -- >> yes. we have a little bit. this is a heartbreaking story. we have a little we want to play first. >> the thought of a 2-year-old struggling with his mother for his life while his mother is suffocating him is really kind of unbearable. was there a struggle with your son? >> i don't know. >> you don't remember if he awaken awakened? you would have to remember that. you would have to remember whether your son awakened and knew that you were trying to kill him. >> she's a mother from south carolina. i remember this story. >> got sentenced to 35 years

without parole. >> the powerful thing is you were in the moment there. >> uh-huh. >> you showed compassion but it also said to me that you weren't totally buying it. >> you know, for me, i am always looking for and have been since i was, you know, a young reporter in baltimore, i've always been trying to look for what is the deeper meaning in every story, so as i'm doing -- talking to her, which isn't the first time i've talked to mothers who murdered their children, i'm thinking about everybody who's watching who's depressed, everybody who's ever thought about taking their life or taking the life of somebody that they loved and making them come along with me. that's why i was so persistent to say, when you say, i wanted them to go with me. go where? let's think that through. go where? my -- what i kept trying to emphasize to her throughout the interview, even off tape, is that it's no longer really about you. the only reason to hear your story is that somebody can see themselves in you and be able to

make a different choice for themselves. that to me is ult mattedly, as i know you all do here on cbs, as the standard, the standard for interviewing, that's the point. it's not for us just to be voyeurs in other people's lives but how can i use your story to open up the heart space for myself. >> you are fixing a network. the own network. >> could you change the word "fixing" to building? >> when i said fix, i was thinking about building. >> we're building a network. >> which is a huge demand on time, but you have a huge life as well. >> yeah, i have a big ol' life. >> you've got a big ol' life. and a big ol' house. >> i just moved out of my big ol' house. i'm just now living in a little bitty house. >> while they fix the big ol' house. >> that's true. that's exactly right. >> but are you going to -- two things -- one, politics and show business. are you going to be out there? >> no, i'm not.

>> no? >> no, i'm not going to be out there. i'm 100% behind our president. i actually love our president. and have the utmost respect for him and that office and what it takes to be there. i will not be out because i'm trying to fix a network. >> no, build a network. >> i'm trying to fix one, too, charlie. you were right. >> i like build better. >> may i say, too, you know, when you say "i," i mean myself, you know, my team, sherri, eric, and discovery, you know, with all the stories about will discovery supporters stay? they have been stellar. david zavlov and the discovery board has been 100% behind me. this is what gets me. when i started, everybody said, everybody, including loren michaels said to me, it's going to take three to five years to get it right. and i said, even then, i go, well, i think we can do it in a

couple. he said, no, it's going to take three to five years. and now i've been there literally eight months and everybody's like, what's going on? what's wrong? >> i say the same thing. so, we'll build this thing, viewer by viewer by viewer. >> yeah. >> that's typically what they tell you you start a business, right, it takes an average of five years for any business. >> yes. that's what they say. but i also understand this, i also understand that because i had a 25-year reputation that i built, that there is a big expectation. and the one thing i didn't want to do, because i've learned this -- do i have time to tell -- >> are you kidding? >> i know how you say at the end, you've got five seconds. >> i would never say that. >> a little more leeway in cable. >> you've got time. >> the one thing i knew is that what i always knew, and i learned this lesson when i went to baltimore and my name was on the back of every billboard and

they did this whole promo campaign. when i came to chicago i said, don't do any publicity. i want to let it start and go word of mouth. when we started with this network, i was the only person saying, let's not make it big. let's start small. let's not do a big, big, thing because you set an expectation that you cannot -- you cannot live up to. it's better for people to have lower expectations for you to overdeliver rather than to underdeliver because you have 25 years and the company structure was set up that way. >> oprah, nothing is small with your name, you know that. >> i know, but, i was saying, guys, let's just start small. let's not do the big publicity. let's come on the air and sort of build it. next thing i know i'm talking to "the wall street journal" and new york times. i'm like, nothing small about that. >> can we wrap up with the girls in south africa? >> the academy. >> yeah, the academy. >> this is the most exciting thing. two of my girls were competing

in the united nations -- model united nations conference at cornell this weekend. part of the south african debate team. i'm telling you, to see girls who five years ago living in sowato, living in villages, some carrying buckets of water on their head, now sitting at cornell, debating, debating about cambodian civil war? extraordinary. >> my sense is that it hasn't been easy but it means a huge amount to you. >> well, stedman keeps remining me of that, too. he it is, look at how hard the school was. it's actually sort of parallel because lots of people said it wouldn't work. you're 8,000 miles away. how are you going to do that? there were times i wanted to give up on that, too. many days i said, if i had it to do over, i wouldn't do it that way. and the payoff is having girls now 100% of the first class all going to colleges. >> guess who's here tomorrow?

>> stedman. >> oh, stedman's here tomorrow. >> he spends an hour with me on the program. it's great to have you here. continued success. >> so much more relaxed than i thought it was. >> it's comfortable. you can come back whenever you want. >> this is so relaxed. this is good. you guys are doing great. really great. i love the set. whoef was in charge of that -- >> cue pleaould you please say o our crew? >> we have the greatest crew. >> gayle is the one person who over the years, she loves the crew. she could tell you the name of every crew member she's ever worked with since she started. kansas city -- >> yeah. >> we're so glad you're here. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> i look forward to doing the charlie rose show. >> you will. and person to person. >> would you like to throw to weather? would you like to do that? >> it's -- what tim

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i love them, lady antebellum. it was a wild night for country music fans in las vegas. even kiss showed up. you remember last week, charlie rose was on this set, erica, singing. i don't think that's going to happen today. >> maybe not today but i think we could make it happen again. because today gayle sang. ashton kutcher also there. sang a few bars of country. not half bad. we'll bring you a wrap of the big night and all of the winners just ahead as we continue here this morning on "cbs this morning." >> on country music they are some of the nicest, nicest people. >> consistently. >> best awards show. >> consistently, you're absolutely right about that. >> absolutely. >> i'm still on an oprah high, i have to say. >> how could we not be? >> sorry, on oprah high. we'll be back. vil®. here's one story. pain doesn't have much of a place in my life. i checked the schedule and it's not on it. [ laughs ] you never know when advil® is needed. well most people only know one side of my life.

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that's why every girl should have a wardrobe master. >> this is from earlier. >> because everybody says, oh, no, this is -- you don't like this? >>, no i like it fine, but because of the blue, i think the blue -- the yellow sets off the blue in an extraordinary -- >> fashion advice from charlie rose. >> earlier this morning. lucky you. >> gayle, we got to go. >> i'm ready. >> i think i'm going to try it. >> you've just seen one of the key moments of the day, meeting with my fashion consultant, charlie rose. he's a man of many talents.

actually that behind the sneaks peek is from a new clip from our facebook page. >> pretty soon people will be sending in videos asking for your input, charlie. the ensemble in the morning. >> are you ready? >> you can scroll through the short history of our broadcast there on the facebook timeline. gayle and i started our own profil profile. gayle is better about it than me. i need to step it up. more to come. >> actually, erica, i'm very technically challenged so i have a lot of people going, help, help me. charlie, what will you be showing on yours? we want an inside peek. >> fashion life or -- >> i have an idea. what about you and barkley in the park? >> barkley -- i took barkley to the country this weekend. this would be a lab. an extraordinary animal. he just goes nuts because he loves to run. he has a lot of space to run. he dived into the water.

>> did you dive in after him? >> no. >> see, that's just something you think about on your facebook page. just throwing it out there. as we looked around the web we found a few reasons to make a long story short. "the washington post" has an update on the fast food wars we've been covering today. burger king rolls out its biggest menu change since 1964. >> wow. >> the year i was born. >> a great year. >> smoothies, chicken wraps and snack wraps. executives even admit it's very similar to mcdonald's. britain's "daily mail" has something to consider before you walk into a bar. ladies, scientists confirm people appear more attractive after a few drinks. yes, we're talking about beer goggles. it takes a little as a pint and a half of beer for beer goggles to appear. women are more likely to wear them than men. >> i like that story. how about one stop divorcing. shopping. the new york daily news went to

this week's modern divorce expo in new york city. vendors had tips on parenting after the split, how to do background checks on potential new partners, they also had divorce rings for sale with inspirational messages inside. >> were those messages like, ignore the beer golgs next time you're out? in britain "the guardian" tells us about ashton kutcher's next big project. he's agreed to play steve jobs in the next indie movie. he does look like -- one of two steve jobs bichltopics they're planning. "the hunger games" is killing the box office, bringing if $61 million in ten days. it's sold more than $250 million in tickets. mega millions sec lags is running wild in red bud,

illinois, where a winning ticket was sold. one rumor says the winner is gary leafert. two men with that name say they've been bombarded by phone calls. they both say they did not win. we can confirm none on the staff won. we were going to show up anyway. >> if we won, people would not be happy for us. they would go, why did they win? >> you know what i did? i actually kept your ticket that you gave me, the $1 ticket, whatever you call it -- >> you kept it? >> yes. >> my first lottery ticket. just to tell you i cared that you have given me that, and in case i won, i would be able to prove it. >> thank you. had we won in a group pool we wouldn't try to do the okey-doke that someone is -- >> what do we call that, the okey-doke? >> where she was in a pool and she says, that's not the pool ticket, that's my ticket. that's crappy. >> that doesn't end well.

>> no. last night at vegas they had the academy of country music awards. >> taylor swift won top prize for the second year. as john blackstone reports, the show had a lot of live music and a few unexpected faces. >> reporter: there were, of course, plenty of cowboy hats at the academy of country music awards in las vegas, but carrie underwood's rocking opening act showed how blurry the line between country and block can be. ♪ >> reporter: the line between genres that blur your still when the '70s rock band kiss in full makeup and metal-studded regalia took the stage as award presenters. >> lady antebellum! >> reporter: kiss has not actually gone country, but lionel richie may have. the r&b star who started off in motown in the '60s shared the

stage with blake shelton, named top male vocalist. ♪ again and again now >> reporter: ashton kutcher star of "two and a half men" showed up with a big hat and a big belt buckle. his job was to present an award but he couldn't resist singing. ♪ give all i've got to give to make all your dreams come true ♪ >> reporter: when the country stars paused to focus attention on fighting child hunger -- ♪ imagine all the people >> reporter: they did it with a song from john lennon. ♪ giving all the world yeah yeah ♪ >> reporter: but the awards show didn't forget its mission is celebrating country music and the entire crowd joined the celebration when toby keith sang one of the biggest country hits of the year "red solo cup." ♪ i love my red solo cup >> reporter: in a tribute to

banjo great earl scruggs who died last week, actor steve martin joined rascal flatts performing the song "banjo." ♪ a piece of heaven you've got to go deep way on back ♪ >> reporter: since las vegas is probably more famous for quickie weddings than country music they added a live wedding as christina davidson and frank tucci, a couple from new jersey, exchanged vows, martina mcbride and train's pat monahan sang "mary me." by the end of the song, they were husband and wife. a quickie wedding, indeed. >> you may now kiss your bride! >> reporter: the entertainer of the year award went to taylor swift. her date for the ceremony was to be an 18-year-old fan who's fighting leukemia, but he was too ill to make it. >> my date tonight was supposed

to be a high school football player named kevin mcguire and he's not here, but i promised him i would give him a shout out. kevin and all your family and your friends, thank you for wanting to take me to the acms. my band and crew and everyone who helps me make music, and to the fans for voting, thank you for doing this! this is exciting! >> reporter: if it is sometimes hard to draw a line between rock and country, it was pure country when dierks bentley performed his patriotic hit "home." ♪ and i won't lose hope this is still the place that we all come home ♪ >> reporter: for "cbs this morning," john blackstone in los angeles. looked like a nice ceremony, didn't it? >> and isn't steve martin so great on the banjo. >> yes, he is. >> and taylor swift never disappoints to me. >> she doesn't. and i find that everything i watch with her, i like her more

and more. there's this great piece on "60 minutes" last year with taylor swift. you get the sense that she's really -- i mean, she's really just like a great person. and at 22, to have achieved all this and seems to normal. >> what's interesting about country music, too, whenever you see the notion that it's becoming more mainstream and more mainstream, somebody will come along and make sure that everybody understands the roots of country music. somebody will come back and say, this is who we are. >> and who they are, as gayle and i -- we've all talked about allot, some of the nicest people you'll meet consistently. that's what's so lovely about it. >> and talented. >> absolutely. >> love consistency. >> we do. >> they say a picture's worth a thousand words. how about 60 years worth of pictures? too much to even talk about. we'll meet

♪ one shining moment you reach for the sky ♪ >> kansas and kentucky play tonight in new orleans for the ncaa men's college basketball championship. 75,000 people will pack the superdome. one has been a fixture at the final four since 1952. rich clarkson photographs have appeared on the cover of "sports illustrated" 33 times. at age 79, after 57 final fours, you can still find him on the baseline shooting hoops. >> the essence of college basketball is there's a mystique to it, unpredictability. >> let the final four begin. >> there is a lot of drama to all sports, but particularly at the championship level. >> the opening jumper -- >> that drama manifests itself many times. sometimes the drama is that

quiet locker room before the game or at halftime. at other times it's in the huge noise of the arena and the last 20 second of a great game. it's just dripping with drama. this is a complex picture. when you look at it, you can say all these players are doing something different and all alone with their thoughts. and it's dead silence in there. you can splice the tension in the locker room like that. the picture is one that's story-telling. photographers who really know what they're doing, know what kind of story they're trying to tell. they have something to say. i think the most story-telling picture i had was of adolph rupp. it was the year that texas western, the all-black team, the first all-black team, beats the highly favored all-white kentucky team for the national championship.

>> the wildcat team is on a happy bunch at the final whistle as kentucky takes to the mourners bench. >> and so the picture was of the entire kentucky team on the bench looking very despondent. cheerleaders in the background. milestone in the emergence of the black athlete. as i was covering that game, i didn't think that was such a big deal. at that point we all just recognized, these are great players. and this was a great game. we didn't really think -- it's been years later it became kind of a landmark game. cries management. you're anticipating all the things that could wrong. i've tried all different kinds of places on the floor over the years. for a number of the early years i sat right next to the basket. so, then i started moving

further out on the baseline. finally i was at the corner. clear in the corner of the court. you really get different angles and different ways to cover things. give the readers some visual variety so it's not all the same thing all the time. this is my first cover of "sports illustrated" and the first time i photographed the final four for the magazine. it's the first of the ucla great championships with john wooden. this is basically zeroed in on the significant player of the game, and it kind of highlighted him really, really well. you know, the great thing about the final four every year, it's basically new. you never know for sure what's going to happen. it's the unpredictability of it. that's its charm.

>> you know what's amazing, how much he cap fewered in his words as well as his photographs, the magic of the final four. >> it's nice when you can capture a moment, which he does all the time. so, that's good. >> we should also say in terms of capturing moments, our producer did a beautiful piece on that. the interview, shot it, did a great job with editing. >> shout out for arden. >> could we say whoever wins tonight, i don't understand people that win that still destroy stuff. >> yes! >> thank you, gayle. >> i hope somebody in kentucky's had a talking to where they say, if you win tonight, whoever wins, celebrate. >> who do you think will win? >> let's see. that's tough. >> i'm going to say -- i'm going to say kansas. >> i'm going to say ckansas.

i worked for a kansas city station which is in missouri -- >> i'm going with kansas. >> i'm married to a hoosier. i have to go with kansas. >> i'll tell you later. we don't have enough time, but it's just -- there's a little history there. >> it will be an exciting game. >> i'm going kansas. >> cbs's coverage of what we're talking about, this year's national championship starts at 9 p.m. eastern time right here on cbs. >> and if you prefer -- >> quidditch. >> i was going to say, what's that word? >> quidditch. >> i'm not harry potter. >> if you prefer quidditch to basketball, stay with us. we'll tour the actual harry potter studio where all the movie magic happened. you're wat

where is that? >> i think it says milwaukee. >> milwaukee, wisconsin.

>> hello, milwaukee. maybe you thought the harry potter craze was over, quidish a quidditch and all that. all seven volumes came out on ebooks. >> now harry potter fans think he can walk and fly around the studio where they made the fantastic films. here's charlie d'agata with a look. >> reporter: harry potter, that boy wizard who for more than a decade cast his spell over audiences worldwide will never fly again. his broomstick and cloak of invisibility for the last time last year when the final film hit the cinemas. that doesn't mean the magic's over. on a massive 150,000 square foot site on the outskirts of london, the boter universe has been recreated. hogwarts and all, for fans of the famous franchise. the studio tour which "cbs this morning" got access to while it was still under construction was

exactly what it claims to be, a close-up look of the set used in the actual films. from a huge scale model of hogwarts castle to a magic broomstick ride with a computer-generated back drop. that sorting hat. the family dining room where not a napkin is out of place. this is all your hard work and all these harry potter fans get to see up close and personal. >> people say, are you pleased with that? i say, i'm never completely pleased with it. >> welcome, harry. >> reporter: but fans of potter are unlikely to be anything but pleased. this hasn't been made to look like a film set. this is the actual film set. for example, this is alley where harry first came to pick up his wizard supplies. >> i still need a wand. >> a wand? >> reporter: it's got everything a wizard needs from clabbert

pustles to fangs. but the great hall of hag wart, the setting that unfolded during harry's life. on these massive oak dining tables with cutlery dipped in real gold with where the cast of little characters assembled to surprise. >> i heard a story the producers didn't let children see the set until the day they came on for the first film. so the sense of awe is completely genuine from the very first filming day, when they run -- >> reporter: so they wouldn't have to act. they would be blown away. >> exactly. and they were. >> reporter: which is exactly how fans felt this weekend when the tour opened its doors to the public. for "cbs this morning," i'm charlie d'agata in london. >> it makes you want to have a butter beard, doesn't it? >> one footnote. we've had some shows that were fun today. i think today is a memorable show.

>> i think so, too. i think we made oprah look good. i think we helped her today. i think we made her look good. >> that does it for us for this [ male announcer ] what if you have potatoes?

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