good morning. it is thursday, may 10, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. applause and outrage as president obama changes his mind on same-sex marriage. we'll hear from activists on both sides and look at the political impact with former new york mayor rudy giuliani. i'm erica hill. air strikes from al qaeda and john miller has more information on the double agent who ruined that al qaeda plot to bring down a u.s.-bound airliner. i'm gayle king. very emotional testimony from a friend of elizabeth edward. and and jim parsons on broadway. as we do every morning, we

begin with a look at today's "eye opener," your world in 90 seconds. >> it is important for me to go ahead and affirm. i think same-sex couples should get married. >> president obama makes history. and sparks a national debate. >> so, did the president flip-flop as his critics say or did he evolve? >> you really think republicans might use this as an issue? >> push the rainbow button and launch gaymaggedon. >> i believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman. >> this is the first time biden said something obama didn't have to apologize for. >> the man accused of kidnapping two young women has been put on the fbi top ten most wanted.

>> dozens of people have been killed in two blosts in the syrian capital damascus. a time when there's supposed to be a cease-fire. >> they rush their case against john edwards, not testifying at the trial, mistress, rielle hunter. >> grand isle is picking up the pieces after a tornado ripped across the area. >> all that -- >> daredevil nik wallenda walked across a high wire with extreme precision. >> what could i do to get back at nbc for firing me? i'll ruin "america's got talent". >> it's my understanding the devil wears prad a. >> can he get it? oh, he hauls it in. >> and all that matters. >> pioneering hairstylist vidal sassoon has died. >> on "cbs this morning.." >> >> i understand you have a line of women's clothing coming on. will your wife be wearing any of these? >> no.

>> you welcome to "cbs this morning." it is be being called a landmark moment for equality and also a political risk. president obama revealed on wednesday he now supports same-sex marriage. >> it was a dramatic moment felt around the country and it is sure to affect campaign for re-election. bill plante at the white house where we begin our coverage this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. white house officials tell cbs news the president had planned to announce his change of heart on same-sex marriage at a time of his choosing before the democratic convention. they're making no secret around here of their annoyance at vice president biden's endorsement because they say it forced the president's hand and led them to the decision to have the president make the announcement this week. >> it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> reporter: president obama's change of heart on same-sex

marriage has come only gradually. in 2008 he went on record opposing gay union. >> i believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. >> reporter: more recently, mr. obama says his feels were constantly evolving. >> this is something that we're going to continue to debate and i personally am going to continue to wrestle with going forward. >> reporter: the white house stresses this is a personal decision for the president. he believes the federal government has no role. that the question of same-sex marriage should be left to the states. but nothing is quite so simple in an election year. and the president's change of heart could complicate his re-election effort. his likely republican opponent mitt romney supports the constitutional ban on gay marriage. romney stressed wednesday, unlike the president, he has not changed his mind. >> i have the same view on marriage that i had when i was governor and that i've expressed many times. i believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman. >> reporter: and while the ppresident's advisers admit the don't know for sure how the announcement will play out

politically, republicans, like christian conservative activist ralph reed say the decision will help romney raise money from small donors and recruit volunteers. >> i think this gives the romney campaign an unanticipated gift-wrapped present as we go into the general election. >> reporter: popular support for gay yuns has increased. the country is now split on the issue. but 38 states now have laws defining marriage between one man and one woman, including several important swing states. larry of the university of virginia says in the end, though, same-sex marriage won't decide the election. >> this is mainly an election about the economy but there will be pluses for president obama in democratic blue states and minuses in republican red states. it may be a wash overall, but there are political impacts. >> reporter: the white house has decided that there will be a political impact. they'll have to write it off. in his book "at audacity of hope" president obama wrote about worrying about being on

the wrong side of history when it came to same-sex marriage. the timing of his announcement is calculated before he goes to hollywood for a major fund-raiser. the campaign expects to raise $14 million in a gala at george clooney's home. >> bill plante, thank you very much. rudy giuliani originally said the republican party's stance on same-sex marriage makes it looks like it doesn't understand the modern world. what do you think of this decision by the president at this time? >> well, i think it's a political decision. the president was for same-sex marriage and then against it and for it again. in '97, '98 when he ran for state senate of illinois he was in favor of same-sex marriage. when he ran for presidency he was against it now for it. i think it will help with his base. i think it will hurt a little in showing the shifting positions

he'll take on a moral issue like this. because he's for it, against it, for it. but i think it's only marginal. it depends on how is this going to play in ohio, how is this going to play in north carolina, how is this going to play in the ten states that matter? >> so, you are suggesting the president was always here, he's just come to announce where he was in his own head, in his own heart? >> he was there running for the state senate as a young man, then running for president he changes it completely, and now he's for it again, i think the president was always there, sure. and maybe -- i don't know if joe biden kind of forced him into by making a mistake, which wouldn't be unusual for joe biden or a calculated trial balloon. >> bill plante suggests it was not a balloon but forced the president because he wanted to do it some time of his own choosing. there's this question, where do you think the country is in terms of polls? >> the country's even, but the real issue is where is the country in the ten states that decide this election? he's going to california tonight. big hero with the hollywood

crowd. doesn't matter. he's going to win california. texas, against it. doesn't matter. however, how does it play in ohio? how does it play in wisconsin? north carolina? virginia? plays against him there. ohio just passed a big amendment banning same-sex marriage. >> and north carolina. >> and north carolina, right. >> but are you closer to the president of the united states on this issue than you are to the likely republican candidate. >> i'm in the middle. i'm for domestic partnerships. i signed i think the first law in america when i was mayor of new york and second one for civil marriages but i am for a maench between a man and a women. >> but you're for marriage. >> the president was and that's -- i think -- governor romney is not. >> that's the right distinction. under the laws of the state, gays and lesbians should be treated like everyone else. out of the laws of how you define marriage, our religious

and ethical decision, which i'm okay with, a lot of people aren't, i respect that. i respect the decision of the states. if new york wants to have it, which we did, i wasn't propon t proponent, i would prefer if we didn't, but not a big opponent. if north carolina doesn't want it, they shouldn't be forced to have it. >> how much focus should there be on this this issue in the campaign? you followed up saying -- you went on to say, republican party needs to get back to its base and would be more successful if it focused on the economy, which john boehner was pushing towards yesterday. is that a better focus for your party? >> i think so. and governor romney reflected that yesterday. he saidings this is a sensitive issue. he didn't talk about it in terms of what other people should believe. he said what he believes. he says, i favor a marriage between a man and a woman. he made it, i'm not going to be a big issue out of.

and he shouldn't. i think this is going to work for or against the president on its own. republicans should stay the heck out of it. >> speaking of mitt romney, because as we started this you were talking a little about for it, then against, then for it again with president obama. last year talking about romney, you said you've never seen a guy change his opinion so fast on a dime. >> now i've seen someone do it even faster. i think president obama can moderate that criticism of romney because it will be hard for the president to say, oh, my goodness, mitt romney changed his position on pro-life/pro-choice. maybe in this sense, it helps romney because it takes that issue out of the election. it can be hard for obama to criticize him for being a shifter on positions when this is a major shift. >> but some disagreement in what the president seemed to be saying about his previous position. >> there isn't.

the president came out running for the state senate and said, i'm running for same-sex marriage. then running for president he said, i believe it should be -- >> so, you think it was a political decision more than a personal decision influenced by family and friends, as he said yesterday. >> i'll do what i hate. i'll play psychologist. i believe this is what president obama always believed. i believe this is the honest one. in between he took the dishonest position because he didn't think he could get nominated. he took the same position as hillary clinton. hillary clinton has the same position i have, for marriage between man and woman, in favor of domestic partnership. i still think that's the right answer and leave it up to the states to decide. >> is this an idea whose time has come? >> we'll find out. its time has come in new york, not north carolina. states can have different views on these things. >> thank you very much. and good luck. this is a great set and an exciting program. >> glad you like it. come back. >> unexpected.

with us now from washington is chris hughes, editor and chief and publisher of "republican" magazine, and worked on president obama's campaign. in a recent profile "the new york times" called hughes and his spouse a significant driving force in politics. good morning, chris hughes. >> how are you? >> you're a friend of the president, you've worked with the president. tell us what's gone on with him and this evolution he spoke to yesterday because he said, i was influenced by family and friends and i would assume friends included you. >> no doubt it's historic, to have the president of the united states come out and state clearly that all loving couples should be able to get married. i mean, it's affirming and energizing. and i think -- and i think really important for the country that he's showing the type of moral leadership on this issue, in addition to -- in addition to the political leadership on it. so, it's very inspiring. >> tell us about conversations

you may have had with him, though. how he felt about this, because the former mayor of new york city suggested this was a political decision not a personal decision. >> from what i've seen in my on experiences with the president and from my friends who are in the administration, he's always been absolutely embracing of, you know, whether it's staff, friends, family, who are in committed relationships. and i think that being who he is, it's very difficult for him to recognize those types of people and those relationships and not believe that lgbt people should be entitled to the same rights and same institutions that everyone else is. you know, every time i see the president, whether it's in whatever context, he always asks me about my own fiancee, shawn, and vice versa. that type of -- that type of

respect and, you know, personal understanding goes a long way. >> it is a divisive issue for so many americans. how much of a role do you think it will play in upcoming election and how much of a role should it play? >> i think this is energizing. this is one of those issues which i think the -- now majority of americans see as a basic civil rights issue. anyone who's opposed to marriage equality is not likely to vote for the president in the first place. for lots of people who see this as a civil rights issue, in some ways a defining civil rights issue of a generation, it's incredibly energizing. it means that, you know, from a political perspective, there's a whole segment of people who are now all the more enthused and ready to get out and knock on doors and recruit family and friends, get them registered to vote and go out in november. so, i think, you know, as much as i think this was a personal

decision on the president's part, do i think it has political ramifications. on the whole is positive. >> there's also the argument, as you well know, opponents are more likely to be energized than supporters in this kind of thing. >> you know, i don't buy that. whenever i go around, i mean, particularly on college campuses in the country, what i find an extotally, of course, people care about jobs, jobs, jobs and economy. in doubt that's the most important political issue in this election cycle. the number two issue people talk about, not just me, but in general, you can see it in the polling, lbgt rights, particularly marriage equality. that's people not only who the administration needs to go out and vote, but also needs to become part of, you know, be the movement to re-elect the president. i think that era of american politics when this was energizing -- more energizing to opponents rather than supporters is past. >> thank you. >> it's a new era.

>> good to have you here. thank you very much. we look forward to come back to you as this campaign -- political campaign continues. >> thank you for having me. in yemen, security officials say five al qaeda militants were killed by an air strike early this morning. they were all staying in a house in southern yemen in an area al qaeda has controlled for a year. the attack happened just a few days after a cia drone killed a senior al qaeda leader in yemen. there is no word from washington on whether the u.s. carried out this morning's attack. meantime, we're learning more about the saudi double agent who infill rated al qaeda in yemen and told the cia where to find the man who was killed over the weekend. >> he betrayed the terror group last week, breaking up an airliner bomb plot. john miller, former director of naional intelligence, joins us now. good morning. >> good morning. as you see this story continues to develop. it is something that, as you look at it, say what is the life of a source like that in an

organization like this? and what else can we learn about it? >> reporter: the source was debriefed for days. information he gave was used to launch a drone strike in yemen that took out fahd al quso, commander of the arabian peninsula. but when the story aring of the unraveling of the airline plot reached aqap's master bombmaker, ib rim al asiri. >> was this operation leaked to the press too early for us to find the bombmaker? if he's still around in a year, that's going to be a critical question everybody's going to ask. >> reporter: as l asiri, the obamamaker, is still around and believed to be teaching oergz how to make bombs. >> we have bombmakers we need to worry about. >> reporter: now director of national intelligence james

clapper and members of congress are calling for an across-the-board review of how this information got out. >> i don't think those leaks should have happened. there was an operation in progress. and i think the leak is regarded as very serious. >> reporter: the question also remains, what happens to the source who's credited with foiling this operation, the 2010 plot to take down cargo planes bound for chicago with printer bombs and possible attacks at u.s. embassy in yemen. >> ho do we not only get him and his information out from a situation where they're regarded from scrutiny, new documents, now life, new names. second in a geography, whether it's united states, europe, elsewhere, where they're not under constant threat. >> aqap, the terrorist group, is scrambling to figure out what information did the source have, where did he see, what access did he have, as you see drone

strikes that continue giving them vulnerability. >> good to see you. time to show you this morning's headlines from around the globe. "the new york times" look at an afd report on the long-term safety of bone-building drugs. the new fda analysis suggests caution but doesn't have any specific recommendation for millions of women's who use them. the houston chronicle reports texas children's hospital can perform potentially life-saving heart sournlg a 2-month-old baby even though the child's parents object on religious grounds. the hospital got the go ahead in a judge's ruling that covers blood transfusions. the parents are jehovah witnesses. and "the washington post" says parents of an american soldier captured by the taliban are pushing the obama administration for prisoner swap for his release. bowe bergdahl was taken three years ago. his parents want him exchanged for afghan prisoners

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emotional testimony focusing on the candidate's wife. anna werner is in north carolina. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica and charlie. the question in this trial is whether edwards misused campaign funds in 2008. but throughout the testimony we've been hearing a lot about the edwards' lives as well. yesterday his former press secretary gave voice to the concerns of another person, one unable to speak for herself here, elizabeth edwards. elizabeth edwards' close friend, former campaign spokeswoman cried on the witness stand as she described elizabeth's fears in her last days. she was concerned there won't be a man around to love her. >> everybody felt the pain miss edwards must have felt. they look over at the guy who caused that pain, john edwards, and i think that hurt any sympathy he might get from this jury. >> reporter: now deputy communications director for president obama, said elizabeth

couldn't believe her husband fathered rielle hunter's baby. i would always respond, no, no, no, he is lying to you, she said. it was difficult to watch a person i cared about be completely consumed by this. palmieri also told jurors about a confrontation in a iowa hotel room in 2007. she testified elizabeth found out campaign finance manager fred baron and his wife were providing assistance to rielle hunter and she confronted them both about it with john edwards present. she said, rielle is a loose cannon and we don't know what should do. one expert says the key to that exchange is palmieri's assertion that john edwards heard the whole conversation. >> she says he was in the room and he can't claim fred baron and his wife were taking care of

miss hunter and spending money on them. >> reporter: palmieri told the jury that john edwards continued to hope he would be allowed to speak at the democratic national convention in 2008 and obtain a post as attorney general in the obama administration. palmieri told him frankly neither of those things is going to happen. and she said to him, you're deluted. >> erin moriarty is also reporting on the edwards trial. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. i think it was a good day, if you want to call it a good day, for the prosecution. but i think there are going to be a lot of court watchers who will be disappointed today because the prosecution has said they're on schedule to rest their case today and there will be no rielle hunter. the speculation is over. she will not take the stand, at least for the prosecution today. >> so, she's not going to take the stand, erin. does that tell people the prosecution feels, obviously, they feel their case has been laid out well enough or is there some other strategy here?

>> i think they thought she was too much of a wild card. i think that's been the talk all the way through. she helps the prosecution's case but also hurt. i think the most important part of this trial is about to happen right now. it's going to be between the prosecution's case and the defense. i think the defense is going to ask the judge to either throw out the entire case, which is probably not likely, but certainly parts of the case. and i think that there is a good argument some of the elements of six charges against john edwards may not stand. think about the conspiracy. he was charged with conspiracy, conspireing with both rachel bunny mellon and fred baron. very little intent and the evidence of intent came out in this trial about what their intent was. there was really no that i can recall that indicated all three were together. it will be very interesting to see what the judge does at the end of the prosecution's case when the defense goes and asks

them to actually rule on their motion. >> if the trial continues, is it likely john edwards would take the stand in his own defense? >> reporter: boy, that's so tough, charlie. some people feel because of these last two witnesses wendy button and jennifer, they were so strong that john edwards may have to take the stand. we all know that it's very dangerous for a defendant to take the stand and it's really up to the prosecution to approve the case. reminded of that. >> erin moriarty, thanks very much. it's great to see you. >> reporter: thank you. the fbi just added a new american to its ten most wanted list. we'll take a look at the seven for adam mayes, the man accused of killing a woman and her daughter and kidnapping her two other children. tomorrow, johnny depp talks about "dark shad he doughs." stay with us. [ female announcer ] the magic begins when jif fresh roasts peanuts

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mayes and for law enforcement, it's a race against the clock to find the man they're calling armed and extremely dangerous. >> we believe adam mayes could be anywhere in the united states, and we are extremely concerned for the safety of the girls. >> reporter: the fbi will intensify its search again today for adam mayes, one of the most wanted men in america. he's suspected of killing family friend jo ann bain and her 14-year-old daughter adrienne in the garage of their tennessee home and kidnapping 12-year-old alexandria and 8-year-old kaliyah. mayes mother-in-law says he believed he was their father and was obsessed with them. >> my daughter said, he lives, eats and breathes nothing but these two children. >> reporter: charges against mayes and his wife were upgraded to murder. she claims she saw her husband kill in cold blood. according to court documents, theresa told police, both murders were directly part of the kidnapping of alexandria and

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he's planning to walk the tight rope over niagara falls next month, so this is a demonstration in baltimore yesterday. he did make it across safely. welcome back to can be "cbs this morning." >> that's what wallendas do. >> still. my stomach's in knots for him. gayle king joins us near the control room -- in the control room. what's next? >> thank you. i knew exactly what you meant. how are the black and latino communities reacting to president obama voicing his support of same-sex marriage? will it change how they vote in the next election? bill whitaker has that story. creator of "will & grace" is here. he landed at 4:00 this the morning. he said he's tired but he wanted to be here. "will achd grace" just got a shout out from joe biden. we're advancing this conversation. very curious to see what max has to say today. and he's a two-time emmy winner and stars in "the big bang theory," jim parsons live in studio 57.

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today president obama said today that he supports gay marriage, which is great news for the gay community. mitt romney responded by restating his own views on marriage. he said marriage should only take place between two consenting rich people. then he said he had no problem with gay people because one of his best friends owns san francisco. >> it's 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king. >> i'm charlie rose with erica hill. president obama is now on the record in favor of same-sex marriage. many of his supporters are happy but he also runs the risk of driving away voters who supported him four years ago. >> that includes some religious black and latino voters. bill whitaker reports on the impact of this announcement from california.

>> here's to equality! >> reporter: supporters of same-sex marriage in san francisco cheered president obama's change of heart. other parts of his coalition weren't happy at all. robert is computer technician at a church in orange county, california, that serves a largely hispanic congregation. he voted for president obama in 2008. this year -- >> no, no, no. i don't. >> i think it changes the minds of many people. >> reporter: rudy, is the pastor's assistant. he had is troubled by president obama's endorsement of same-sex marriage. >> we are grounded in the word of god and i'm against gay and lesbian marriages. >> reporter: hispanic and black voters were some of mr. obama's staunchest supporters in 2008. he won 95% of the black vote, but as black californians were voting for mr. obama four years

ago, many were upholding the state's ban on same-sex marriage. >> first of all, the church does not support same-sex marriage. >> reporter: pastor of l.a.'s first ame church says the bible is clear on the issue. but the 2012 election is about much more than one issue. >> our concern is about jobs, is about housing and the foreclosure crisis. >> reporter: in 2008 then-senator barack obama beat republican john mccain by 2 to 1 against hispanic voters. his problem this year is in swing states, where the election is likely to be decided and where a recent gallup poll shows him running neck and neck with mitt romney. any loss of key coalitions in swing states could swing the election. the white house is hoping the loyalties of one demographic will outweigh defections of another. for "cbs this morning," bill whitaker in los angeles. >> with us now from los angeles, dennis prager, leading

conservative voice on talk radio. good morning. >> good morning. >> tell me what you think the political fall outfrom this is and where you think the country is on this issue of same-sex marriage. >> right. well, they're both related and both separate. the political fallout will ultimately, i don't think, accrue well for the president's chances for re-election. he may get re-elected anyway but this will not benefit him. we always hear that the polls show about 52% to 48% in favor of redefining marriage or 50/50. we were told it was 50/50 in north carolina and turned out to be 61 life is 39 and that was a state that went for president obama in the last election. i don't think it will be good for him. and i think it will energize all of those evangelical christians who had misgivings about voting for a mormon. >> dennis, you recently wrote an article that you can be against same-sex marriage and not be anti-gay. a friend of mine told me

recently saying to a black person, i want you to sit at the back of the bus but i'm not anti-black. a lot of gays aren't hearing your distic. what do you mean? >> i mean it with utter sincerity. knowing gaze ining gays so wel in my extended family a wonderful lesbian couple with a child. it's not the same as in the back of the bus. i have a better analogy. it would be like saying, i prefer that married people raise children to single people. that doesn't mean that single people are inferior to married people. >> and in the veins of that conversation it comes up people say, that may be an ideal, you have two loving parents. so when people bring up the fact that this being about civil marriage versus a religious marriage, does that change things at all in the minds of even some evangelical voters you just spoke about? >> what would what change their

mind? >> this this is a civil marriage, not a civil union, but a marriage, because you can't legislate within a synagogue, a church -- >> no, because society defines marriages 37. this notion that only a church or synagogue defines a marriage is unfair to atheist and secular people. they want society to define, just as it always has. however your religion defines it is your business but how society defines marriage is society's business. >> so, it's -- if the definition in society is changing, at what point -- >> if it changes, it changes. but the fact is that wherever people have been allowed to vote, they don't want to redefine marriage in what is the most radical way that marriage has ever been redefined. if love is the only issue, there is no answer i've ever received to the question, why not allow a person to love two people and marry them?

i have never gotten an answer. i've debated day activist leaders. they always skip on to another topic. once we have shattered the mamal male/female idea for marriage, then everything should be allowed. >> barney frank said this kind of issue, once you pass and the president takes a stand, you find out that it is not as controversial and more popular and that it will not be a major issue in the campaign. >> i don't think they will talk about it a lot but i believe it will be an issue in a lot of people's minds. as i said, evangelical, in my state of california, blacks voted heavily to amend the constitution of california to define marriages between a man and a woman. it may not be spoken about a lot but i think it will affect people's voting. >> might is-t also energize president obama's supporters who might have had some misgivings

about him and knowing that he was with them but not expressed that idea as well as they wanted him to? >>. >> i don't believe even if it energizes them, they would have voted anyway. the folks on the left politically, socially, have nowhere to go. so they would vote for president obama anyway. but there are others who will say that this is very important to them. frankly, it is very important. whether or not society has male/female marriage or not is one of the most fundamental questions a society has to face. >> dennis, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. when vice president biden offered support for same-sex marriage he said a sitcom was a major influence for him and other americans. >> i think "will & grace" did more to educate the american public more than anybody's ever done so far. and i think people fear that

which is different. now they're beginning to understand. paward winning co-creator of my "will & grace." good morning. >> good morning. >> when you heard vice president say that the other day on mp "m the press" because you didn't start out as social commentary. >> we are not activists in any way. david cohen and i wrote this show because it was a story that we were familiar with and a story we were living. it was just a happy accident that there was -- or there turned out to be some social impact for this show. our job was only to make people laugh and entertain as many people as we could. >> despite what the vice president said, do you believe it had a significant impact? >> i don't really think that's my job to say. i mean, i will be honest you with, you love sitting in the room and letting you all talk

about it and i'll smile as i hear all of these nice things said about the show and what it's doing, but for me, that just was never really my job. my job was never to teach. i lucked out the thing i was most interested in ended up having an impact. >> and what the president said? >> i'm very happy with the president. i think it extend his message of hope and, you know, there are little boys out there who not only get to dream they will some day be president, but they get to dream that some day that little boy can marry a president. >> it was interesting, max, because earlier this week you were critical of him because you said he's ee rolfing. that didn't sit right with you. so when you heard he made the announcement, your initial reaction was what? >> i was pleased because i thought the president. was speaking the truth. my issue with the president is i never felt that using a word like evolving seemed honest.

this is a brilliant man. and he's surrounded by the best and the brightest. i just don't believe that this guy was evolving on the issue. i think he understands discrimination firsthand. and this isn't what he reality felt in my heart. that was my impression -- >> how much -- i know you said your goal wasn't to teach from the show but people learn things from many different ways when they watch. how much do you think this will be an issue moving forward? how much do you hear about it in terms of what this does for a person's vote? >>. >> i don't think this sz much of an issue as your previous guest would suggest. i think all of that is kind much a doomsday red herring.

people vote because they're looking for a leader, a great leader. i think we see president obama lead in an exquisite way this week. and i have to say, i think that that man became a hero for a lot of young men and women in this country who aren't on board -- >> would they have been less enthusiastic to vote for him had he not said this at this moment? >> i don't know. i think he had to say what he had to say -- >> because? >> because we can't afford another young person killing themselves in this country. every day that men like barack obama don't speak up, we take that risk. and he's kind of helping to stop that. >> why did it take him so long? >> look, i'm an ambitious guy. he's an ambitious guy. he has a big job. he want to keep the job. we understand what was going on. they tried the material out of town. they said, let joe do it.

>> he emphatically denied that, that they set him up to do that. >> they say, in fact, what he said forced them to make a decision that they hoped to make later approaching the convention. >> you know, they also have a fully functioning white house in the hills somewhere we don't know anything about. you know what i mean? this is a very well-organized machine. i think that -- my sense -- >> you believe -- half the country isn't there. you look at the polls, half and half, what happened in north carolina recently. >> that's a shame. >> to that you say what? >> i think a lot of people will regret the position -- the position they're taking and i think they'll look back on this and and not feel they were on the right side. this is an equal rights issue, always has been, and the president this week went about

writing this country. he actually made a correction for us. we are a country that we're very proud it's the most free and a country with the greatest, you know, civil and equal rights. that's what the president was putting out there and i'm very, very proud of him. >> the story is to be continued because the laws still have not changed. thank breakthrough drugs may be

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about life television. during the break we had a conversation that really adds to the historical understanding of what we've been talking about. max, you said? >> we were at a private function -- >> we being? >> my husband and i were at a private function in los angeles two weeks prior to the "meet the press" airing this sunday. and vice president biden was talking to a small group and he made the reference to "will & grace" in that room and called me out at that moment. and he was also being recorded -- >> recorded where? >> he was being recorded by a white house -- by a white house -- >> and said to you what? >> it says to me that this was all very choreographed. i mean, look, i'm just a man who experienced this but vice president biden made it very clear that day these were his views and so much so that they wanted to record him -- >> the sum total is the white house should not have been surprised by what he said on

"meet the press". >> it doesn't seem right to me because it was verbatim what he had said three weeks earlier. >> three weeks earlier -- >> like he was trying out the material? >> he was testing the material out of town and then he took it to a larger house, "meet the press." it was very bait imon what he said on "meet the press" and the influence of "will & grace". >> thank you for coming back. >> thanks for sticking around. >> announcer: this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by preen. preen stops weeds before they start. visit preen.com. ♪

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♪ >> born in a small town. welcome back to "cbs this morning." the u.s. postal service has had a change of heart, backing off its plans to close as many as 3700 rural post offices. >> and that includes the post office in pray, montana. a tiny town that's actually now for sale. ben tracy spoke with the current owner. he's with us this morning, ben

is. >> $1.4 million in los angeles might get you a two-bedroom, two-bath house. here in new york you'd be lucky to get a two-bedroom apartment but in montana it gets you an ntire town.ana it gets you an ♪ >> reporter: when you live out here in big sky country, there is no sense in living small. so, this is your town? >> yep, this is it. welcome to pray. >> reporter: barbara walker owns an entire town. all five acres of pray, montana. she collects rent from the other ten people who live there. >> i'm a one woman show, so i decided, okay, if i have to be the maintenance man and the dog catcher and the sanitarian, i'm going to be the mayor, too. >> reporter: pray was founded in 1909, named after a montana congressman. barbara walker's family has run it since 1993.

not much has changed. can you take us inside? >> yeah. welcome to the 1950s. >> wow. it is vintage. >> reporter: the general story seems frozen in time. before a new highway was built, this was a popular stop on the road that leads to yellowstone national park. >> you had grand plans to reopen this stoor. what happened? >> well, i lost half my plan, my help. >> reporter: walker lost her husband, i don't knowy, to cancer in 2006. trying to revive pray alone was too much work so she's telling the entire town at an auction in june. all five acres, including her house, for $1.4 million. last month the town of buford, wyoming, sold in 11 minutes. a vietnamese man bought the one-person town for $10 million. pray is built on high hopes the railroads pushed west. many of those towns are long gone but pray has kept its name on the ahmadinejad map for one

reasonable reason. what makes this town official? >> zip coast, that's the only reason. it was the reason pray was pray in 1909 and the reason it's called a town today. >> reporter: when you pull into this tiny town, the post office is the first thing you notice. the zip code on the front of the building is a point of pride. she's lived here for almost 50 years. this does seem to be a little slice of america that doesn't quite exist anymore. >> true. yeah. it's true. so, we're just trying to, you know, keep our boot straps tied to that. you know, pchs we can. >> reporter: as for bash are walker, she plans to op move and open a billiard school in bozeman, montana. how hard is it going to be to leave this? >> not easy. time to close the chapter and let somebody else take it to the

next chapter vrt someone who can honestly say, they own this town. >> no takers yet. >> no takers yet. but she's putting it up for auction and i think sheet going to get something. >> how were they able to keep the post office? >> it's amazing. this is a town of ten people and they have a post office. they tell me it's political connections over the years in the valley -- >> political connections for ten peple. i like that. >> somebody's got a good connection. also because the town is called pray. no one wants to be the guy who kills the post office in pray, montana. >> i totally get that. i like seeing the sign pray with the arrow going that way. lucky us, i hear you'll be back tomorrow. >> whether you like it or not. we went out to moab, utah, and we did high lining. you see these guys here. unlike a tight rope, they're walking on this line that is slack and going back and forth.

i had to do this version where you hang on the wire because i can't really walk on it. >> did you have some sort of safety device? you had to. yes, please? >> yes, because my mother would kill me if i did not. i wore a harness. they said, you're triple backed up on this line. i said, if the whole line goes down -- >> my question to you is, why you do that? >> you can't go out there and interview these guys all day long who are walking on this and just stand on the rocks. >> the good news is, you came back to tell us about it. i look forward to tomorrow. >> good piece. america's favorite loveable nerd is here, jim parsons, hilarious as sheldon in "the big pull on those gardening gloves.

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know, as sheldon cooper. it's true, on the hit cbs comedy "the big bang theory". >> jordan, what channel is nasa tv? >> 289 between game show network at 288 and east coast feed of the disney channel on 290. >> i love his memory. it's so sexy. >> sheldon, what are the p>> dried potatoes, vegetable oil, corn flour, wheat salt, maltoedextron empb, starch and my favorite, uniformity. >> next week he returns to his roots in theater starring on broadway in "haervey." nice to see you. >> we got to see you last week when you did the tony nominations. >> what's wrong with your voice? >> apparently it's allergies. >> are you in pain? >> i'm not in pain. >> it could turn into a sexy

morning thing. >> i'm no kathleen turner. >> are you a nerdy geek or just play one on tv? >> i'm a little probably geeky, but i'm not necessarily nerdy. and i would define the difference -- >> i was going to -- >> i'm not smart enough to be nerdy and geeky. i definitely have to pick one. >> why do you pick geeky? >> you know what, i'm probably more dorky than either of those, so i consider geeky closer to dorky than nerdy closer to dorky. >> you know what fascinates me about you on that show is the dialogue, because i wonder, do you have to have great memberization skills or a tutorial book? when i listen to you, it's very complicated. >> it certainly can be. it's a combination -- i spend a great deal of my time memorizing. had they change dialogue before

tape day i spend my night agonizing. writer tend to put it in a way there's a certain -- probably because of the comedy, a rhythm to it. once you've latched onto this rim em, those words come out of your mouth. >> and come out with confidence that you can pronounce them. that would be my biggest fear. tonight's the seen finale. >> there is. >> a little expectation about what's going to happen. >> great expectations for matrimony, space travel, and i don't know if i can tell you either has lift-off but you'll be introduced. >> tell us what will happen. >> you have a right to know. >> no nope, we're not going to do it. let's talk about broadway. i saw you "in the normal heart," i was in seat k-10 1 saying, go!

>> i try to ignore that but thank you president thing fascinating to me, that was an education. there was so much about the aids history i did not know and i thought you were a knockout. i'm thrilled you're coming back. >> i had a lot of people, and some said, you should stop here. you don't want to see the other side of broadway but it made me thirsty to do more. as soon as the opportunity back in november came up to do qult harv "harvey" and i said yes. said, plan my summer around this because this is wonderful. >> you're excited about being back on freeway or the piece? >> both, frankly. i was excited to do theater. for me, it's nothing like it. that's what i've done most of my life, still to this point. specifically with harvey, this character is to -- such a good person. he's such a warm person. he's such a -- he tries to

connect with other human beings. that's just at face value. for me playing somebody at my day job who is the opposite of that, it was a no-brainer. >> that's what's so great about ak acting. i was reading that you at one point wanted to be a weatherman. i can't imagine that. >> i was living in houston, texas, where they get tropical storms and hurricanes and i was fascinated by it, fascinated by the drama frankly. my mother would always say, this is not a good thing. i know, i know. i'm excited. i did take meteorology in college. dy fail that class because of low attendance. >> well, you know, you do have to -- >> i didn't do the work. >> you've got to go to class to get the grades. >> you do have to go. i hope your voice feels better later on. glad to know you're not in pain. jim parsons and haefb begins

previews on friday, starting friday, map 18th and you can watch the season finale -- he says it's good. >> it is. -- tonight at 8:00/7:00 central on cbs. we have sad news to report. vidal sassoon died yesterday. he was born into a poor family, spent time in an orphanage but changed the way so many of us look. >> if you don't look good, we don't look good. >> reporter: at its peak vee id sassoon brand earned $500,000 a year. >> gets your hair clean and sexy. >> reporter: sassoon is credited with cutting women free from hot rollers and hair dryers and weekly trip to the salon. his life's work began with a premonition from his motor quote, i thought i'd be a soccer player but mother said i should

be a hairdresser. and as often the mother got her way. nick chavez, celebrity hairstylist in beverly hills with worldwide brand now sold on quk credits sassoon with starting an industry. >> because of that man i've been able to do what i do. i used to watch him and say, i'm going to be just like him. >> in 2011 sassoon spoke with "cbs this morning." >> when i walked into the salon, there were so many pretty girls. i thought, well, we'll give this a try. >> reporter: his first salon opened in london 1964 but during the '60s he carved out his place in pop culture. the b paired with the minnie skirt, the style defined the era, mostly in "the rosemary's baby". >> it's vee vidal sassoon and

very up to date. >> reporter: he developed a line of hair care products but he sold his interest interest to dedicate his life to fillon throwfy. earned commander of order of british empire. this one-time shampoo glass class and dignity. >> i wanted everybody to have good hair. >> thank you. >> it wasn't just the rich lady's pleasure. >> he was definitely a game-changer in the hair industry. i liked that slogan, if you don't look good, we don't look good. >> the dorothy hamel -- >> yes, the bob. >> there's a documentary out about him very recently made. >> sad nose today. james mcinerney is here to give us a crash from

really get your nose right in there. really -- citrus. stronger. passion fruit. and -- oh, there's this faint like asparagus and there's just a fodder of like a nutty cheese. >> wow. >> i remember that scene. you never go wrong with passion fruit and asparagus. the wonderful movie "sideways" introduced many of us to the taste of art wining. james mcinerney has been practicing that for 30 years. >> we know him from his classic

"bright lights, big city " and one of the best wine critics around which he put into "the juice." welcome. >> good morning. you do have a love affair with wine. >> i do. it actually started when i was writing my first novel in the '80s. i was studying with raymond kafsher at syracuse university. i had a job at a wine store to make end meet as a clerk. and and i would take a bottle home every night. that was a tradition among the clerks. i started browsing in the library the owner had that. >> and voila. >> it became a has beeny, a compassion that got out of trouble. >> was some music event? >> that was probably my great wine person and my first real date. took my true love to a restaurant in lennox,

massachusetts, called the log cabin. i proudly orred the only bottle i knew on the list, which was metuse, rosa, the buddha shaped bottle. i can say, i'm not sure i enjoyed wine more than that night. >> i will confess, i don't drink. i don't know anything about wine between boone's farm strawberry hill and the rosa. >> we're going to need more time than this. >> so, here's my question -- >> take this home and do some reading. >> i did, i did. i'm like, is this book in english? how do you help us jd the pleasure -- and i know -- i know some very serious wine drinkers. the pleasure of it. >> not only is the book in english, but i like to think it is in a language which is a common vernacular.

the reason i decided to do this, my friend dominique browning, editing "house & garden" some years ago asked me to write about wine. i said, i'm not an expert. she says, that's the point, the wine magazines is technical. when i first started i didn't know any flower smelled like in particular. and i thought there was room for a type of wine writing that wasn't either of these things. my idea was to come up with a new set of metaphors and comparing wines to actresses, pop stars, automobiles. >> when i came across in the book it made me think of gayle because gayle loves the rock and you described zin fichlt indale a rock. >> i think for most people that

conjures something more vivid than talking about blackberry and hyacinth. i'm not good at that description. as a reader, learning about wine, i felt a lot was greek to me. >> before you leave, because i have to ask you about rielle hunter, at the risk of being nosey rosy, but it's been reported and you've written about it that one of your chashgers was based on rielle hunter. what do you make of where she is today? you two dated briefly. >> i knew the '80s. he she inspired -- she and her friend inspired a book i wrote called "story of my life." and we had a lot of fun back then. honestly, i mean, i wish her well now. and i'm -- you know, i'm concerned for her. i hope she -- i hope she comes

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