good morning. it is wednesday, june 13, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. showdown on capitol hill. ed head of jpmorgan chase gets set to apologize for his multibillion dollar blunder. >> i'm erica hill. emotional testimony in the sandusky trial where two witnesses describe years of alleged attacks. plus, new york mayor michael bloomberg is ere in studio 57 talking politics, fat and philanthro philanthropy. >> a groundbreaking pricing plan that could shake things up. when i see you at 8:00, former secretary of state colin powell joins us in studio 57. but first, as we do every morning, we begin with a look at

today's eye-opener. your world in 90 seconds. >> the head of the nation's largest bank says he's sorry. jpmorgan chase ceo jamie dimon to apologize on capitol hill. >> for what he calls a poorly conceived trading strategy that led to a stunning multibillion dollar loss. >> dimon will tell congress the bank has now taken stoeps make sure it does not happen again. manyone in the courtroom wh saw my client could see the pain that it took him to get his story out. >> jurors in tears listening to shocking testimony during the child sex abuse trial of jerry sandusky. >> victim number 1 detailed how their contact escalated from kissing to repeated sexual assault. democrat ron barber winning the special election to fill gabrielle giffords' seat. >> he was also injured in that shooting spree that almost killed the arizona congresswoman. >> casey anthony has broken her silence.

anthony said she was ashamed in many ways of the person that she was but denied murdering 2-year-old caylee. large fires are burning in nine states, including colorado. more than 43,000 acres have burned. shocking dashcam video of an 18-month-old little girlie jekted from an suv. >> all that. i'm not -- >> first of all, you shouldn't carry around a cobra in tupperware. >> yeah. my pleasure. >> the first thing, i want to appear with the king of late night. >> you did. >> unfortunately, letterman was booked. so i came here. >> and all that matters. >> no matter how bad things look, go to bed with an optimistic attitude and it will look better in the morning. >> you're not a drinker, are you? it's the opposite. >> "cbs this morning." >> my stock answer would be to >> "cbs this morning." >> my stock answer would be to you, me no speak english. captioning funded by cbs

welcome to "cbs this morning." the ceo of one of the world's biggest banks is in washington this morning to say he's sorry. jamie dimon of jpmorgan chase testifies before the senate banking committee about the loss. >> the bank lost between 2 and $5 billion on a risky set of trades. nancy cordes has more on capitol hill. what do we expect him to say today? >> according to his prepared testimony, he's going to apologize off the top saying "we will lose some of our shareholders' money and for that we feel terrible. but no client, customer or taxpayer money was impacted by ths incident." basically, he's going to take the senators through some of the mistakes he feels led to this incident. he's also going to argue, however, that jpmorgan was profitable last year and it's going to be profitable this year

and that the company can absorb these losses even if they amount to $5 billion. >> nancy, what do we expect the senators to want to know and to use this hearing to accomplish what? >> well, we've reached out to the offices of just about every senator on this committee. what many tell us is that they're interested in the timeline. what did jamie dimon know about these losses and when did he know it? was the company forthcoming with government regulators? and with its shareholders? what they really want to know is do financial regulation, which are being written right now need to change as a result of these losses? are these banks still too big to manage, too big to regulate? >> nancy cordes, thank you. joe nocera has written extensively about jpmorgan chase and other matters. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. >> so what will come out of this in terms of change, in terms of understanding, in terms of regulation? >> well, in terms of understanding, probably not that

much more than we already know. jamie dimon, in his statement, he doesn't say that much different from what he's already said. we made a mistake, they didn't quite understand, they didn't really understand the ris. so on and so forth. in terms of change, the real potential here is for the regulations around the kind of risks banks can take getting tougher. we have a law now, dodd/frank, a reform law, but many of the regulations haven't been put in place yet and the banks, led by jamie dimon, have pushed hard to keep those regulations, you know, diminished. this really hurts the bank's ability to push back against regulations. >> when they go at this question, do they expect to try to limit what the banks can do and will they be specific about that? >> the democrats will. the republicans won't. i mean, this is the divide. the democrats are going to say,

there's a rule on the books called the volcker rule which is supposed to prevent banks from making trades only for themselves. excuse me. they don't have any client use. they want to stiffen that rule to prevent exactly the kind of trade that took place here, which is legal. the republicans are going to say, look, yes, they lost $2 billion, yes, that's a lot of money. but jp more began can handle it. it's not a big problem and we shouldn't overreact. >> is jpmorgan too big to fail? >> i would say that it is. >> risked to fail but it is one of the biggest financial institutions in the world. >> that's right. it can absorb a loss like this. the real issue around this loss is not the money itself, but three-plus years after the crisis. have bankers really changed? are they still taking too much risk? are they putting insured deposit at risk. that's what the country should

care about. >> that's the point that's been brought up. we should separate banking from investment banking. >> jamie dimon has fought that and fought that and he will continue to fight it. his argument is that the modern bank, you cannot separate it because clients need the kind of risk taking that banks provide. the problem for him is in this instance, no client was asking them to do this. they did it purely on their ownby half for their own balance sheets. >> because they had a lot of money they wanted to invest. >> they do have a lot of money. they have more deposits than loans. they have a bunch of money they need to do something with. that's what they did. >> thank you. >> thank you for having hee. it is day 2 of jerry sandusky's sex abuse trial and an eyewitness offered graphic evidence that the former assistant football coach molested young boys. armen keteyian is in bellefonte, pennsylvania at the courthouse. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. good morning, erica. another dramatic day of testimony expected today, much

like yesterday inside courtroom number 1 beginning with so-called victim number 1 and ending former penn state coach mike mcqueary: the prosecution train picked up a big head of steam on tuesday driven by a powerful one-two punch of witnesses. the first punch was thrown by a now 18-year-old witness previously identified by the prosecution as victim number 1. broken by halting pauses in a torrent of tears, he spoke of lee years of sexual abuse that began around age 12 with good night kisses in sandusky's basement. i kind of thought he sees me as family he said and this is just what his family does. but those kisses, he said, soon led to a nightly ritual. rubbing under his shorts, back cracking, kisses on the stomach, then oral sex. the young man told a spellbound court, i don't know how to explain it. i froze. my body told me to move, but i couldn't do it. i couldn't move. in a contentious

cross-examination, defense attorney joe amendola focused on seeming inconsistencies in the accuser's past accounts of how many times he was allegedly abused. from one to ten, to 25 times or more before ending in 2008. i was scared when i was testifying he said. there was a lot of stress. >> i think anyone in the courtroom who saw my client could see the pain that it took him to get his story out. >> the second punch came if former coach mike mcqueary, delivered in a forceful, unflinching manner. he testified he saw sandusky pinning a little boy from behind against a wall in a football facility shower in february 2001. in what mcqueary called an extremely sexual position. you don't expect to see anything like that ever. amendola seemed to be planting a seed when he repeatedly asked the young boy, the teenager if he had ever talked publicly

about buying a big house or a car as the result of the trial. time and time again, the young man answered no. charlie, erica? >> armen, thank you. jack ford is with us now in studio 57. it is beyond disturbing as you read these accounts and as you hear from armen. this is only the second of alleged victims who is going to testify sneechlt these are hard cases to prosecute. you don't want to believe that a well-regarded respected person would be capable of something like this. if you're a prosecutor, you want to have an accuser who is believable, tell a story, explain away why they didn't go to authorities. here the prosecutor has strength in numbers. one of the advantages they have is we're told at least eight of these accusers are going to testify. the prosecutor puts them in position to argue at the end. if it was one or two you can raise issues. you will have heard from eight different people, that has to

mean testify. >> armen characterized mcqueary's testimony as the second punch. >> clearly they're the -- if you're a prosecutor, you want somebody who you can bring in who is not actively involved, doesn't have a horse in the race, if you will. you always look to somebody who can come in and say, i saw this and i have nothing to do with this. mike mcqueary is interesting. in many ways his life has been ruined. he was a young graduate assistant, he was a rising star in college football, he played at penn state, as a coach here. essential essentially, he's lost his job. if i'm the prosecutor, i can say to the jurors, he doesn't want to be here. you can tell. he doesn't have anything to gain from this. sometimes the reluctant witnesses can be the most compelling witnesses in a courtroom. so i think here the prosecutor can look at him and say, he's different from everybody else. he's got nothing to gain here, doesn't want to be here. you should believe what he has to say. >> what will the defense do? >> the defenses we're seeing and armen mentioned it before,

they're setting the stage to argue a couple things. one is that jerry sandusky, whatever he did, the contact he had was not criminal. awkward, inappropriate, but not criminal. he didn't intend for it to be criminal. the other argument they're setting the stage for right now is suggesting that some of these accusers may welcome in here and making the stuff up because they're seeing it as a payday. it's a hard defense to get. jurors look at it and they say really, all eight of them doing that? the defense has to deal with the case that they have. can't make it up. they're putting together a composite of it never happened that way and these guys are looking to get a payday out of it. whether that flies with the jury or not, you never know. >> jack ford, as always, thank you. >> i try. the u.n.'s chief peacekeeper says syria has slipped into civil wash. syria's foreign minister calls that an unrealistic description. meantime, secretary of state hillary clinton says russia is making things worse by supplying helicopters to the syrian army

and 2,000 refugees have crossed over the turkish border. elizabeth palmer got a first hand lock at that sighting. >> a police barricade marks the edge of the war zone. fierce fighting has made syria's main highway north of homs too dangerous but the u.n. was allowed through and we went with them. we found mile upon mile of devastation. all along the road, syrian tanks with heavy artillery were dug in, some ready for action, others burnt wrecks after opposition attacks. we wanted to hear these soldiers' stories. but they wouldn't speak on camera. just 200 yards further on inside another town, we met their opponent, armed opposition fighters. many of them recent army dess t deserte deserters. >> we will stay in this revolution until we take bashar assad out of this country. >> back on the street, people

saw the u.n. preparing to leave. that meant, they said, the shelling was about to resume. >> we need you to stay here. >> can you imagine what that must be like when they say to the u.n. we need you to stay here. elizabeth palmer reporting from syria. colin powell will be here talking about the situation in syria and what the options are at this point for the united states. colorado's governor is owe fegsly declared a disaster in his state as a result of the massive wildfire. the fire killed one person and destroyed more than 43,000 acres since saturday. >> barry pearson is in bellevue, colorado, with new information on the wildfire for us. barry, good morning. >> good morning, erica and charlie. this fire has been really aggressive and very much wind-driven. as you mentioned, the governor of colorado declared a state of emergency. that frees up $20 million for the state's disaster relief fund. but the cost of fighting had

fire has already hit $3 million. the shifting forces of the fire changed the fates of homeowners, some for the worst as new evacuation orders were issued. but some for the better. >> yea. >> i'm really excited to be going home. >> they were allowed back into their homes, now out of danger. firefighters are pouring in. 600 camped out at this staging area, 800 by the weekend. now, they need a helping hand from mother nature. and across this area, a helping hand of another kind. donations to the salvation army. jennifer oliver went shopping so she could help evacuees. >> you don't have the basic necessities, it really put a damper on your mentality. you don't want to be camping for days and days without these things. >> she brought her daughters for a lesson in helping others. 3-year-old adrienne and 5-year-old madilynn who learned a grown-up thing or two about

fires. >> what do you think about this? >> not good. >> why? >> because it will burn down people and maybe kill somebody. >> officials say it will probably be fall before these fires are completely contained. >> this now is really all about the weather. temperatures today could hit in the 80s, maybe the low 90s. if the wind comes up, it's going to make it really tough for firefighters to make much progress. charlie and erica. >> barry petersen, thank you. eric holder is rejecting a call to resign over the gun running operation. a story first revealed by cbs news investigation. justice department officials allowed smugglers to take tens of thousands of guns to mexico, some of them later used in crimes, including the killing of a u.s. border patrol agent. holder faces a possible contempt of congress charge in the house for not releasing document in the case. as he testified to the senate judiciary committee on tuesday, texas senator john cornyn made it clear, he does not buy the

attorney general's story. >> so, mr. attorney general, it's more with sorrow than regret than anger that i would say you leave me no alternative but to join those that call upon you to resign your office. >> i don't have any intention of resigning. i heard the white house press officer say yesterday that the president has absolute confidence in me. i don't have any reason to believe that that in fact is not the case. >> in the meantime, democrats familiar with white house thinking tell cbs news, the administration sees holder as a liability but there is nothing it can do this close to the election. we have new information this morning in the case of george zimmerman, a florida man who killed 17-year-old trayvon martin in february. his wife is facing legal troubles of her own. >> shellie zimmerman was charged with perjury. prosectors say she lied to the

judge. >> shellie zimmerman's mugshot was taken in the same jail where her husband lives. here the prosecutor says the couple talked about family money during recorded phone calls but later lied to the court that they were broke. at her husband's bond hearing in april, two months after trayvon martin's death, shellie zimmerman testified by phone under oath. >> you all have no money, is that correct? >> to my knowledge, that's correct. they got a lower bond by pleading poverty but had $135,000, money raised through online donations. prosecutors allege the zimmermans spoke in code about that money during those recorded calls. court records show in the four days before his bond hearing, shellie zimmerman made eight cash transfers, totaling $74,000. >> i, quite, frankly, from the state position will flat out call it what it is. the defendant's wife lied to this court. >> how could somebody forget that they had $135,000? >> mark o'mara, george zimmerman's laura grease both

zimmermans owe the judge an apology. >> i think she was acting out of fear and frustration, but we don't have that right in a courtroom. >> shellie zimmerman is free again this morning after posting a $1,000 bond. very affordable for her these days, since her husband's lawyer said they're funding raising about a thousand dollars a day online. >> he stays behind bars until at least june 29th. shellie zimmerman will be arraigned for perjury, a third degree felony in late july. for "cbs this morning," mark strassmann in orlando. it's time to show you some of the headlines from around the globe. the arizona republic reports gabrielle giffords's former aide won a special election to serve the rest of her term. democrat ron barber was giffords' hand picked candidate. giffords resigned one year after being wounded in a shooting spree that took six lives. britain's telegraph reports iran is -- that would be a violation of u.n. sanctions against iran.

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britain's diamond jubilee rolls on. queen elizabeth, duchess of cambridge visiting nottingham this morning after the jubilee festival in london. events will continue all year long to celebrate the queen's 60 years on the throne. welcome back to "cbs this morning." michael bloomberg has been at the intersection of business and politics for the past decade as mayor of new york city. this morning, he is announcing the bloomberg philanthropy's mayor's challenge. it offers million dollar prizes for the most innovative ideas for making city life better. mayor bloomberg joins us in the studio. welcome. >> thank you. >> what's the mayor's challenge and why are you doing it? >> the country is made up of

cities. more and more people living in cities. 70% of the people live in the cities in a decade or so. cities are where things happen. if you look, federal and state government seems to be paralyzed and they work at a policy level. cities who are all having economic problems, have to do things better and cities where mayors workday in and day out and they know what works, what the people want. we're trying to find out what's the best ideas. each mayor can have a different idea that may be transferable to another city. we're all in this together. hopefully, with this prize, people will focus on coming up with new innovative ideas that improve efficiency, improve the services, make government more responsive. and if the idea is best, the city that wins will get $5 million and there will be 4runner-ups of a million dollars apiece. cities across the country, anybody with 30,000 people or more can apply and be picked into the fall or the beginning

of next year. those ideas, hopefully, will be, if appropriate, adopted elsewhere. new york, which can't enter because of the obvious conflict will be able to use the ideas as well. >> cities in today's economic times, they're in serious fiscal difficulty? >> they're always in serious fiscal difficulty because people want services and don't want to pay for them. that's the nature of democracy. there's nothing wrong wa that. yes, in an economic downturn, the business model of the cities is you have to provide more services when the economy goes down and your tax revenues, the ability to provide those services also goes down. cities that are smart save money in the good times to use in the bad times. but we're all getting through this. if the cities really make the investment in the down times, they'll find that people come, their tax base grows and they'll be okay in the good times. new york made a mistake in the '70s. we walked away from making investment, didn't pick up the garbage, didn't fight crime, didn't improve our schools and

pay our teachers enough to be competitive and the city fell apart. and then fortunately, the last few decades, the city got the message, came back and we've been making those kinds of investments and so for example in new york city, we've gained back 190% of all the private sector jobs lost in this recession whereas, nationally we've only regained 40% of the jobs we've lost. by making investments, attracting more people here, it's worked. that's one of the ideas the other cities can use. >> people say about you making it personal that you have looked as to what you might do after you leave this job, the new york magazine, i think, called it mayor of the world. to take the kinds of things you have learned and apply them to cities around the world because the problems of cities around the world are the same. >> i couldn't agree more. every city, you have to worry about crime and education and picking up the garbage and land use planning and infrastructure, all these things. you have the same thing in

democracy. as i joked, people wanting services and not wanting to pay for them. i'm not going to run any of the city, but i can help come up with ideas, get those people who are much creative than i to express their ideas and show other people what they are and how they might be applicable for them. i don't know what i'm going to do when i finish this job at the end of 2013, but i could do a lot worse than trying to help other cities. everybody said, you should worry about new york, my city. yeah, but i'm part of america and part of the world. i want all cities to do well. >> in terms of part of america, there was a report that the median net worth of families are down almost 40%. a lot is tied to housing. in a city like new york, when you talk about the economy here, you talk to people on the street and it feels like the rich are getting richer and the middle class is squeezed out of new york city. how do you combat that -- >> the numbers don't show that. we have more people working in new york city today than ever before. the jobs we've focused on creating are the entry level jobs. because we're a city where

people come from around the world, start here and then go west. >> that's working in new york city. what about living in new york city and making it affordable. >> we have people who are now using the expensive private schools as their backup schools. the schools that they really would like their kids to go to are free public schools, our schools have gotten so much better. one of our problems is that people aren't moving out. before you had this constant turnover when the kids got into like middle school, people left the city because the schools weren't good. that created openings in jobs and housing and that sort of thing. today those families are staying in new york, keeping their kids in public schools. if you go and look, the growth in this city has not been in midtown manhattan which you focus on or nationwide focuses on. it's in the other four boroughs or the other parts of manhattan. that's where the growth is and the fancy new restaurants are and the kids from around the country want to live, where the great schools. we have 90,000 hotel rooms, most

of the growth in the last few years is outside of manhattan, brooklyn, queens, staten island and the bronx. >> let me turn to legacy and things you have done and especially health. you look at -- talk about education and crime, you talk about gun control. but you attract enormous attention in health. there was smoking, there was transfat. now there is sugar and sugary drinks. what is this? what is it that drives you to try to pose -- >> government's purpose isn't to improve the health and longevity of its citizens, i don't know what its purpose is. we're not here to tell anybody what to do. but we certainly have an obligation to tell them what's in the bs science and best science says in their interest. if you want to smoke, it's ridiculous, you shouldn't. but we shouldn't take away your right to smoke. life expectancy in new york city is flee years greater than the average across america.

it comes from bringing crime down, record low murders, record lows since 1916. record low deaths by fires since then. all of these different things contribute to people living better, healthier lives and longer lives. and so if there's asbestos in the building, you would expect us to clean out the building, take the people out to clean the building. to give you information, put red light cameras so you can cross the street safely. >> sugar seems to have gotten bigger attention. you talk about the size of the drink and the big newspaper pictures of you as nanny. >> but that's just because it's the story of the week. that will get blended in to lots of other things. if you take a look, you have companies that really punderstand. coca-cola and pepsi, for example and disney come to mind. coke and pepsi sell a lot of full sugar drinks but they're focusing on smaller cans, coke in particular. they've put calories on the front to try to tell you. anything is okay in moderation. maybe not smoking.

it's when you drink so much. it's not the only thing. we have gone to a society where everything is fast food and high calories. the average person today is much heavier than they were. airlines have a problem that customers can't fit in the seats anymore. this is obesity is becoming the single biggest health problem in america and will kill more people than smoking in a few years. >> one last quick question. two years from now, where will we find you, in what job? >> i don't know. but i'll be i assume living in new york. i think my kids will live here all their lives. i hope so. i'm going to try to make a diffrence. wouldn't mind taking a week's vacation, which i haven't had in ten years. i'll probably go crazy by the fourth or fifth day. i don't know. there's a lot of things to do. it's not something to worry about. as you know, you've had lots of careers and every time you turn around, there's somebody else wanting charlie rose to do something different. probably things you never thought about. did you ever think you'd wind up

here? >> no, i did not. >> i rest my case. >> you may want to anchor a news program. >> you can fill in for charlie when he needs a day off. >> nobody can fill in for charlie. he owes me for saying that. >> i didn't say replace. >> thank you, mayor michael bloomberg. if you have a smartphone or tablet, everything could be about to change. we'll take a look at new pricing plans from one carrier and how it could affect you no matter who your carrier is. that's ahead on "cbs this morning." hello, i'm alex trebek. for over 10 years now, i've been representing the colonial penn life insurance company. hi, alex. hi, everyone. i thought it'd be interesting to hear from you what your customers say are some of the things they like best about colonial penn's whole life insurance.

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toddler was able to walk away. four teens were arrested the child, thankfully, is okay. welcome back to cbs morning. get ready for big changes in your cell phone bills. on tuesday, verizon wireless announced a price shakeup focusing on how much data customers use instead of how many calls or texts they make. >> that will affect most of verizon's 93 million subscribers. other companies are expected to follow their lead as well. editor at large brian cooley is here. nice to have you with us. >> thanks. >> what is this changing and why now? >> here's the big idea. we are using data increasingly and we're starting to taper off our voice calls. we've peaked most of us on text usage. it's all about data growth. where do the carriers go? they want to make sure the part that has different price tiers is on the stuff you won't say no to. >> the part that he make money on. >> they've run all the costs they can out of the voice part. on the increasing part of our appetite.

data. data is when you use your facebook app, that's using data. not voice. not using text. when gu to the web, you use any of the apps that reach out to a service, to buy movie tickets, we use mapping. >> your e-mail too? >> e-mail is data. text is not. they're both kind of the same thing, text messages but text is network.der part of the cellular carriers aren't excited about it anymore. it's all about the data. >> what's in if for carriers sm. >> they know you'll use more data going forward especially on the cusp of the video revolution. it's novel in a way. in the future, we're going to be yog a lot of video, watching shows like this in full hd all the time. not just rarely in an airport. that's where you start to soar on your data. that's where carriers, like verizon, want to make sure the steps are built in so you buy into more data and focus on that. >> you came from the apple big deal out there. >> this week, yeah. >> what's coming out of that? >> the apple situation is going

to be one of more and more mobile. it's like the verizon announcement -- apple is a mobile company now. it is doing much less with computers. they had a big computer announcement. the mac book pro. but the biggest part of was the ios system that runs the mobile devices. everything is going to mobile and data and video and visual. >> when will we hear from facebook about problems in terms of ipo? >> that's something you don't like to comment on. then you have to explain it. part of their problem is also mobile. they have such huge mobile growth but the ads aren't keeping step with it. they haven't cracked the code on how to put -- >> it's a little slow. that's a separate issue. put this quickly. in terms of a number for people at home. everyone else will follow suit. how much data will i be able to use and how much will it cost? >> go to your carrier's website. you log into your account page. look at your historical average.

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the old romney luck continues. >> romneys might be going to the olympics. the horse and romney co-owns came in third in olympic qualifying event. >> the romney's horse might go to the olympics. though one would imagine it's going to be a long drive to london on top of their station wagon. hello. it's 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king. >> i'm charlie rose. with us in studio 57 this morning, retired general colin powell. former secretary of state colin powell. former chairman of the joint chiefs, colin powell, book author. the latest one is called it worked for me in life and leadership. >> good to see you both. >> which title do you prefer?

>> general. >> really? >> i was in the general and in the army longer than anything else. all my other positions, i'm a former secretary of, former national security adviser, but you're not a former general. >> once a general, always a general. the army shape you in a way this book defines and that it worked for me in life and leadership? >> the army took me up as a young 17-year-old kid out of the south bronx in the rotc. i followed that career four years in rotc and 40 years of active duty. i am he sengsly a soldier. my whole career was being a soldier. even as national security adviser, i was a general. >> indeed. and in fact, when you were working with weinberger, you came up -- weinberger had the principles and you in a sense incorporated them. looking at syria today with the

increased possibility of civil war, what does the united states do? >> well, i think it is really a civil war and probably has been a civil war for some time. particularly when the opposition is now starting to hold ground. it's going to a new dimension and the russians may be providing sophisticated weaponry. i don't know that there's much the united states can do other than work with the international community and try to apply sufficient economic political and diplomatic pressure on president assad who i know and i've worked with. it's a liar in the first order. anything you can do to get this guy to realize the urgency of the situation and start to work with the opposition or get out of country. >> is it possible as long as russia is playing the role that it's playing, not only not allowing u.n. action but also supposedly supplying helicopters, armed helicopters to be used against the rebels. >> it can be very, very difficult. the question comes down to, well, should somebody go in and

intervene? and that someone almost always turns to be the united states. i don't think we can do that. i don't think we should find ourselves in the middle this. because, remember, it's not a matter of intervening. if you take out this government as we learned in afghan sfan and iraq, you become responsible for the country. i don't think that should be our responsibility. i don't sense any energy to do that. the other issue is should we be provided arms to the opposition. we have to make sure we know who you would be providing those arms to and what would you get as a result if they prevailed or will you be increasing the level of violence because more weapons are going in. i'm still supportive of what kofi annan is trying do and what the international community is trying to do and the united states working with them. maybe safe havens outside as suggested. it's getting worse, not better. what's out there in the way of plans is not working. >> but there's some point you have to say, we can no longer tolerate this. the world community and somebody has to take the lead in doing

something. >> if doing something means intervening with your military force or some international military force, i'd be surprised that actually happened. syria is ugly because of what we see in television every day. there are lots of other places like that in the world. why not sudan, which is also ugly. i think you have to be very, very careful. >> they're very different, as you know. sudan is one thing. here in the middle east, you've got iran and -- >> the issue really is the violence. it's always been in the middle of the middle east. but there are lots of countries that are having these kinds much internal civil wars and other parts of the world. and nobody has talked about intervening. intervening for what specific purpose? who comes to power? what happens to the al wiet tribe. they're at the other end of this brutality. it's a big issue. the president is taking very, very seriously. so is the international community. nobody has found the key to the solution yet. >> i'm curious about your take

on the race. i know you're following it and i've heard you say you're not going to make an endorsement at this time. at what point will you or will you? you say i'm a private citizen. >> i'm a private citizen. >> but you have experience like no one else in the room. so your opinion matters and counts to a lot of people. >> i will examine it and continue to -- i don't feel any obligation to make an endorsement because i'm on a book tour. >> i understand that. >> i will watch in frankly every race that i have voted in since i was a young man. i always try to auto look at both candidates, republican and democrat, see who seems to have the best vision for the country, who seems to have the best policies coming in with that person and who else is liable to be on their team. then i'll make a judgment. once i've made that judgment in my own mind, i may share it with fellow citizens or not. >> you're saying at this moment, you have not made a judgment about who would be the best

person to spend the next four years in the white house? you have not made a judgment. and you know a lot about both of these men. you know a lot about the policy options. they can implement. >> whatever judgment i have right now would be incomplete. i haven't seen everything that mitt romney is going to do. i haven't seen how our economy is going to play out. i haven't seen solid, in my humble yumt, economic suggestions yet from either mr. romney or whether the president has the right answer. so what's wrong with not making -- >> have you made a judgment you don't want to tell us or you really haven't made a skrumt. >> if i've made a judgment, i don't want to tell you. > should the presidentbe worried because you endorsed him in 2008 and is running for reelection and you haven't stepped forward and said i made the right choice in 2008. >> i didn't step forward in 2008 until much later in the season. you know, i don't feel that i'm sort of a play maker in this. i'm a citizen who will make my

own judgment in due course and i'll vote that judgment or share with my fellow citizens. >> you're a citizen with a wealth of experience. i was so fascinated with your book. i have a couple that stand out for me. you said it will always look better in the morning. >> the first thing i say after that, that's not a prediction. it's an attitude. >> you said if you get mad, get over it. i absolutely agree with that. you have a great example. if you get mad, get over it. >> many times in my career, especially in the younger ages, the younger age, i would get mad about things. i had some wonderful commanders who would say to me, one in particular, i fussed with him about something he had done. i disagreed with him. i told him i was disappointed in his decision and he said the best thing about being disappointed is you get over it. have a good day and he threw me out of his office. >> beyond this book you make speeches. one of the things i'm told you

say is what would the founding fathers say. >> one of the themes i've had recently, people are so concerned about the gridlock, as it's called in washington, the inability to compromise i like to give a sermon that we cannot go forward as a nation if on the left and the right everybody is locked into orthodox positions and you can't change without getting just shot apart, torn apart. i said, look at our founding fathers. they felt strongly about things. yet for four months in philadelphia, they were able to fight through all of these by compromising and talking to each other and sharing the evening with each other and they created a nation. this is what a senate does, the house does, the supreme court does, the president does. they come on the subject of slavery, the most difficult issue at that time. they were there to create a country, not solve that problem. if they could make those historic compromises, we can't even get a budget out.

i think it's a disgrace. it isn't going to be solved by a single president coming in who is different from the one who is there now. it's going to be solved by the american people standing up. don't look for superman. lessons in leadership and life. it worked for me. the title of colin powell's book. you can go to a bookstore and buy it. it's on sale. >> right now. or you could get back into politics, general powell. just throwing it out there. me no speak english. than

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baltimore looking really good this morning. always like that. in today's "healthwatch," singing with a new pair of lungs. in february we showed you a young opera singer who would have died without two organ transplant surgeries. >> seth doane has been following her remarkable progress. good morning. >> good morning, erica. this is the reverse grinch affect, an enlarged heart. it doesn't allow oxygen to propely be absorbed. charity has had two double lung transplants. when we last left here, she was hoping, praying she might sing again. ♪ >> it was a remarkable performance. considering one doctor told her singing might kill her. she worried she might never sing

again. but charity tillman stood on stage last month to perform for the first time in public since her second double lung transplant. we first met the 27-year-old in february in a hospital room at the cleveland clinic. >> hello. >> hi. how are you? >> i'm seth. >> at the time she was just recovering from that lung transplant and in such a fragile state, that we had to wear masks to keep the germs at bay. before her surgery, she had been in a medically induced coma and on advanced life support. the wait for a new set of lungs had been excruciating. >> i go to bed at night not sure whether i was going to wake up in the morning. >> but finally, an organ donor gave her a new set of lungs and with that, life and just maybe

her voice. >> let's be frank. any time they're going to stick breathing tubes done your throat, vocal cords are two tiny, very delicate flaps of tissue in your throat. they're very easily damaged. >> this time we met not at a hospital but at a hotel. just a few hours before she would sing in public for the first time since her surgery. >> obviously, i was in a coma for over a month. i couldn't breathe anymore. i couldn't move my arms when i got out. i could barely move my fingers let alone my legs. i couldn't talk. i couldn't do anything, let alone sing. >> but she started to practice quietly if her hospital room, singing to herself and the family by her side. >> after relearning to breathe and to move and to walk and -- i had to start the process of retraining my muscles to learn how to sing. >> and sing she did.

♪ at this indianapolis conference to encourage organ donation. ♪ >> you just got off stage singing for the first time. >> i did. i did. >> how do you think you did? >> two months out of the hospital, i sound great. >> this is a real accomplishment. >> yeah, it is. it's a milestone. i'm very, very grateful to have made it through it. >> that night she gave an even more powerful performance at an opera house in indianapolis. ♪ >> a small scar is the only sign that those lungs were not the ones she was born with. >> music is the love of my life. to spend our lives with the people with the things that we love most. so i'm so grateful to be given

another opportunity to sing and to share and it brings me more joy than i can express. and i express a lot of things. so that's saying something. ♪ [ applause ] >> charity is eager to share her story because she wants people to be aware of the importance of organ donation. she and her sisters started a facebook page for people to post videos with the reasons that they are donors. >> it seems like a very speedy recovery given everything she had to do in that short period. she said these lungs basically fit better. >> she said the first transplant never felt quite right. she could never take a deep breath. she had to reteach her muscles how to do everything all over again. >> listen, i think that she

sounds as good as she does, looks as good as she does, it's a good thing. we like charity. thank you, seth. former president george bush, 41. we're talking about -- says his mother taught him not to talk about himself. he does it very well in a new documentary about his life. we'll show you a sneak peek this morning when we come back. >> cbs "healthwatch" sponsored by necessary press owe. i found the best cafe in the th world. ♪ nespresso. where there's a grand cru to match my every mood. ♪ where just one touch creates the perfect cup. where no one makes a better cappuccino, latte, or espresso than me. and where clothing is optional. nespresso. the best cafe. yours.

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does for me exactly what it did when i was 15 years old. i love it. i feel reinvigorated there. i can still drive my boat. a lot of things i love to do, i can't do. but because i'm getting older. it's different now. but you're still on the team of life. you're still the middle of this great family and that's what matters. >> that is what matters. i love that line. you're still on the team of life. welcome back to "cbs this morning." george h.w. bush turned 88 yesterday. our 41st president is the subject of a revealing new hbo documentary called simply 41.

jeffrey roth is with us this morning straight from a screening with the bush family in maine. welcome >> thank you. >> what did they say about the documentary? >> they seemed to enjoy it. >> what did it capture? >> i hope it captured the person, a man who did fascinating things in his life. >> i got a lump watching it a couple of times. i saw a side of him that i did not know. that i thought was very revealing. i thought it was interesting that at first he didn't -- you didn't think that he would participate. he hasn't even written a memoir which i thought was interesting. >> correct. we were very surprised. we did the first film about the apollo astronauts. we walked out of there thinking, we'll never see the guy again in our lives. turns out he liked it. we did a screening in kennebunkport. we wanted to figure out what to do next and we had asked if we could do one on him. we were told by all of his people no. >> why? why do you think he wasn't interested? >> because, as you know, he hasn't written an autobiography,

doesn't talk in front of the microphone. came to us in an e-mail and said he's intrigued. >> always good. >> the next thing you know, here you are. he hasn't done that because really, as we learn, this is a lot of how he was raised. was not to talk about himself. how do you think you got him to be so revealing? >> we went as who we are. i don't know how else to explain it. we had a unique opportunity to be with him to tell the story in his own words which historically has not been done before. yet to try to get him to talk about himself for somebody who doesn't like to talk about himself was very difficult to do. >> he did it because of jerry wine traub. >> they were very good friends. we started the film and at one point president bush asked jerry to look -- >> very good friend. been friends for a long time. john meacham is also writing, cooperating with a biography that's being written and has had enormous access, i think, to the

bush family and to diaries and lots of things that i think may not be published until after the death of the 41st president. >> that's what i've heard. >> a big part of his story is his love for barbara. they've been married for 67 years. i thought it was interesting in your piece, he doesn't remember proposing, but she remembers, yes, it was right over there on the wall. what was it like seeing the two of them together? what did you get from the two of them? i see genuine affection still. >> there is. she is his rock. you see the love, you see them still holding hands. you see it in their eyes, the way they look at each other and they've made this great family. >> ma'amly is so important to him too. we have a sense of this. but that's a lot of what comes out in this film. what did you see last night at the screening in terms of how the family reacted to that sm. >> well, the fascinating thing about the family, they're so big. yet, a lot of them -- >> i thought it was a small

family. it's doifficult to get a few people together. but they all come back to kennebunkport and they want to be together. you see that last night. the love for their grandfather, father, just in the way they look at him. >> he calls that home his anchor. do you think it's the same thing for the rest of the family? >> i think it does. it goes back to his father and the family. >> was it a big group of them watching together? set the scene. was it a big group of people? how do you know they liked it, jeff? i want details, please. >> president bush 41, president bush 43, barbara was there. a lot of kids were there. grandkids. unfortunately, i didn't have time to meet everybody. i couldn't tell you how many were there. >> were you nervous watching it with them. >> of course i am. >> i would think so. >> the great thing is when you watch the film with an audience, you get a sense of what they're feeling. they laughed where they should, they got emotional where they

should. you can feel the air in the room. that's how i gauge. >> i think we have a clip of that. let's take a quick look. >> very emotional for me. very proud father. first time it's happened, i guess, in the history of our country or except for the adams'. it was my -- it was enormous. source of great pride for the family, for the father. >> tlu see him talking about his son becoming president. what that was like for him. >> like jeb bush, how much the family means to all of them. was talking about his love of family. i'm touched by that. >> the most important thing he said was his father was his hero. i think all the sons feel that way about their father. >> you see how each generation looks up to the previous generation in that family. there's such a respect there. >> it was interesting the part about bill clinton. when clinton -- he said losing

an election is painful. you never hear people talk so candidly about that. he said when he lost to bill clinton, to be honest with you, he said it was painful. then the scenes him coming to the white house and introducing the president and showing them around. >> you can see the pain in his face there. you know, again, this is the beauty of what we have, being able to tell the story in the first person, we could show you emotion and set the scene up for what makes him tick. how he has a great sense of humor and what really affects him and makes him emotional. >> love of life. planning to jump out of another plane he told you on his 90th birthday. >> 90th birthday. >> nice job, jeffrey roth. thanks. tomorrow on hbo. imagine if you could learn just about anything. we're talking any school subject, for free online. the khan academy could make it obsolete. others are embracing

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you know the rhyme. no more pencils, no more books, no more teachers' dirty looks. how about no more teachers, period. in a way that's how sal khan sees the future of education. >> he created an academy online it's in 12 languages. all completely free. sal khan is here in studio 57. it's a pleasure to have you here. >> great to be here.

>> this is a story that's gotten lots of attention now. what do you think is at the essence of so many people wanting to go online with you and learn something they didn't know sm. >> i'm not sure of the exact answer. it started off as a thing for my family. because of that, initially videos and now exercise and things, they feel like i'm sitting next to you at the kitchen table and they're conversational, off the cuff times. and i think that's kind of caught on a little bit. people feel, when you learn something, it's a very stressful experience. i think people have underemphasized how important tone is and not being condescending and being conversational. i think that and the breadth of the content that's there has gotten people engaged. >> it says something about the curiosity of people, to know more, to improve themselves, to explore their curiosity. >> oh, absolutely. it is something i believe philosophically. all people, one of the biggest highs they can have is to learn something.

when you see kids who are disengaged in math class or science class, it's because they're frustrated and they feel like things are going over them. in math class, kids point out, when am i going to need in later on in life? you never see a 5'9" indian kid in p.e. class say when am i going to have to shoot a hoop or art class. because i'm engaged. it's at least as beautiful and interesting. >> that was my problem in math. i was frustrated. i had a hard time in math. what is your gpa. mr. khan? i first saw you on "60 minutes." how many people said i saw that "60 minutes" piece of with you? >> a lot of people. there are a few people who watch that show. >> there's a few. i thought, gosh, it's fascinating what you're doing. you make it seem so easy and simple. you really engage people, i think. that's the secret, i think, to your success. >> yeah. i don't know. the one thing i do try, i won't

make any con -- unless i'm excited about it. hopefully that carries through. >> have you always liked learning? >> for the most part, yeah. i think that's what kind of allows you to become a good student. at the end of the day, it's not someone else externally -- you get excited about it. you get to learn about reactions. >> how are you feeling that it's doing so well? you started out trying to help your cousin. now as charlie pointed out, millions are tuning in, signing on. how are you feeling about that personally? >> it's been surreal. as you said, it started in 2006. i was making videos for cousins and it was a hobby. even two years ago, i was just operating literally out of a closet. so now that we're at 5, 6 million students using it every month, it's surreal. i try not to think about it too much. >> bill gates calls him his favorite teacher. >> you seem surprised, sal?

>> no. that's the surreal part. >> where does it go and where does it grow? >> well, hopefully, the user base continues to grow. we're translating into 12 languages because our mission is not for profit, world class education for anyone anywhere. i only speak english and even that little bit shakily. we're expanding to other languages. we're going to localize the software, make it more interactive. we think a big part of of the site which we'll launch this fall, is the 5, 6 million students helping each other, they have the videos and ex series. if that doesn't work, hey, ask a question, and someone else can help answer it. we'll have stanford medical school launching a few courses. they're going to use it in medical school but free for the world as well. we're going to try to make the entire experience of as engaging as possible. >> so far, you have to say mission accomplished. starting off wanting to help your cousins. >> knock on plexiglas.

>> very expensive plexiglas, sal. >> sal khan, always good to see you. people call adam ka roll a, america's every man. because he has opinions on everything. he's never been shy about sharing them. he joins us -- hey adam. he joins us next on "cbs this morning."

adam carolla is here in the

studio. we know him and we love him. do we love him? >> i think we -- >> we do now. from shows like love line and the man show. let's not forget, crank yankers. >> yeah. >> crank yankers. >> this radio and television personality has written not taco bell material. it takes us from tough times to his hollywood life of luxury. the first question always is because you choose these artfully. not taco bell material. >> yeah. couple things. i'll get to that in a second. first, i do a lot of tv shows and they say the green room is adorned with celebrities, pictures of oprah and brad pitt. all that does to us c-listers is make us realize, boy do they wish they had these people here instead of me today. >> we -- >> you could. >> it all depends on the per tomorrow ans. >> i applied for a job at a taco

bell in north hollywood when i was in high school and i was rejected. i didn't know that was possible. >> self-esteem to be rejected by taco bell. >> it did not fill it with helium and make you want to sing from the mountaintops. >> but you did get a job at mcdonald's. >> yes. >> they showed you -- it's funny, they showed you what to do in case there's a hostage takeover at mcdonald. you learned what? >> they showed you a training video and showed a bunch of guys come in with ak-47s and ski masks and said don't be a hero. i'm getting $2.43 an hour, you think i'm going over-the-counter yelling not on my watch. no way. i would probably just jump in the van with them and yell take me with you like patty hearst or something. >> with your fork in hand. >> that's right. >> it is a fascinating trip for people who may not know as much about your life, about this journey that you've taken.

it started off pretty rough. you like to look at it too as you look back. it's very important. explain that. >> i don't know how i stumbled n to this. i realized the height of your mattress off the ground was important in relation to how your life was going. my mom's mattress was on the floor when i was growing up. that wasn't a good thing. i slept on a if you ton on the floor. that wasn't a good thing. at a certain point you get a box spring and then you get that frame. then a nice pillow top mattress. you get to a certain point, i think it's 30.6 inches, that's the optimal point. but you can go past that point prison bunk or a lot of things that i would build people that had really small apartments to put their chest of drawers underneath it. >> you built as a carpenter. >> that's what i did back in the day. so 30.6 inches is the optimal bed height. kidding aside, what did you want do with your life in you're a

little boy, you grew up and had an unconventional family life. what your dreams as a kid sm. >> pirate, astronaut. we had no idea. you didn't dream approximate that stuff. i wanted to play football when i was a little kid. i got out of that in -- going to yun i don't remember college. at that point i cleaned carpets, dug ditches. i didn't have an idea. i didn't have a goal. high school sort of set up for those who want to go to college. so those who aren't going to college, that was about 80% of us, there was a shovel or a carpet cleaning wand. >> what do you want to do now? >> go to the bathroom actually. i'm getting older. >> at the end of the book, it's really a beautiful journey. >> you may not make the wall in the green room. >> i will get a picture of myself if i have to duct tape my drivers license to it. >> putting his own picture up.

you do bring it around beautifully at the end. you have a nice moment talking about the beauty of being human is that you get to have this journey in life. >> yeah. >> that you're in a really good place now. especially when you look at your kids. >> i am. you know, the problem with being poor is you think poor. everyone talks about the money. oh, you don't have enough money for this. for vacations, for the essentials. not about that. you think like a poor person, you're surrounded with poor people and you have no idea that there's people out there and you see commercials with people going on vacations and gold credit cards and airline miles and you just sit there and go, that's not for me because i'm one of those people. it's really a mind-set and then if you can break out of that gravitational pull of poor, you realize, wait a minute, there's so many things out here. >> you have certainly broken out of the mind-set of poor because you start the book with a shot of your first house and then it sort of ends with the house that you live in now. you said even though you're

close in proximity, there are two different worlds apart from where you came and where you are now. something has worked for you adam carolla. >> it can work for most. i really do believe it. it's just that mind-set of poor. it's depressed. it's poverty. it surrounds you. when you're the hub and the wheel of poor, it's tough to get out of. >> erica is right, you bring it back nicely about emotional growth. you said we can all change emotionally. >> i feel like as human beings we squander that. i don't feel that way about reptiles. as human beings you can and why not? >> adam carolla. >> e'll see if you make it on the waum. the book is one more time, not taco bell material. thank you for joining us. up next, your local news. we'll see you tomorrow on cbs. up next, your local news. we'll see you tomorrow on cbs. on "cbs this morning." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com