it is thursday, june 14, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. gayle king is off today. new troubles for lance armstrong. the world's leading anti-doping agency says he's a cheater. and now he's being barred from his next big race. we'll show you what he has to say about these new charges. >> i am erica hill. president obama and mitt romney go head to head in ohio today over the economy. and we'll take a rare look at another president. life magazine reveals never before seen pictures of john f. kennedy's 1960 campaign. first, we begin with a look at today's eye-opener. your world in 90 seconds.

another hill to climb for the world's greatest cyclist. >> seven-time tour de france champion lance armstrong faces new doping charges. >> u.s. anti-doping agency accusing the champ of a massive conspiracy. >> the agency collected blood samples in 2009 and 2010 that were "fully consistent with blood manipulation." in a statement armstrong denies the allegations calling them baseless and motivated by spite. he will speak eloquently but words are cheap. >> president obama and mitt romney have dueling appearances in ohio. >> the president has a couple of fundraisers planned for thursday night. >> if there's two things the american people relate to it's the devil and prada. >> one the largest fires in colorado now burning out of control. >> they might not all the flames out until this fall. >> one and done for john edwards. the former presidential candidate will not face a new

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welcome to "cbs this morning." cycling champion lance armstrong faces the strongest accusations yet that he used performance-enhancing drugs. >> armstrong calls latest charges baseless and said they're motivated by spite. if he is found guilty, the record setting tour de france champion will lose all of his medals and be banned for life from the sport. jeff glor is with us. >> if february, federal prosecutors closed their investigation but the u.s. anti-doping agency kept theirs open. >> the latest chapter this lance armstrong's story went public wednesday. a 15-page letter from the u.s. anti-doping agency. the document accuses armstrong of using and possesses prohibited substances like epo, a blood enhancing drug, testosterone, steroids and masking agents and encouraging and covering up violations. according to the ada armstrong

not only used banned substances from 1998 to 2005 when he won seven tour de france titles but as recently as 2009 and 2010 when he came out of retirement. armstrong denied the allegations on his website yesterday. i have never dopede he said. he said he has competed as an endurance athletes for years and passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one. it's a claim he's made many times before. >> we got nothing to hide. we know that. everybody knows that. we've proven time and time out that there were claims. >> the ada dlams in 2001 armstrong did test positive and that the results were covered up. evidence about this and other violations they say comes from urine samples, blood collections and according to a source close to the investigation, the testimony from ten of armstrong's former teammates. "60 minutes" interviewed one of them, tyler hamilton, last may.

>> what did you actually witness? >> i mean, i saw it in his refrigerator. i saw him inject it more than one time. >> you saw lance armstrong inject epo. >> like we all did. >> the ada charges immediately banning armstrong from competing tie@lons, including the iron man in france. if confirmed, he could be stripped of all tour de france titles. >> so far, no response from armstrong about whether or not he'll officially challenge the findings. he has until june 22nd to file a written response. an interview he gave to men's journal gave a strong hint that he won't. armstrong said "no matter what what happens, i'm finished. i'm done fighting. i've moved on. if other things arise, i'm not

contesting anything. case closed." >> the interesting thing about this, it's not just about lance armstrong. >> that's right. they say it was basically a six-person conspiracy. six guys involved in this. a long running thing that went back to 1998. they're all charged here. >> good to see you. thank you. >> now to campaign 2012, president obama and republican candidate mitt romney are both going to ohio today to talk about jobs and the economy. >> as bill plante reports, the president's speech has long been planned and will be closely watched. bill, good morning. >> good morning, erica. the president, you know, has been claiming for months that he inherited the nation's economic problems and in the new gallup poll more than two-thirds of americans agree. they say former president bush deserved a great deal of blame. only 52% blame president obama. but today's speech, the first of a series, is to frame the difference between the president and mitt romney on how to grow the economy. but here's the thing.

democrats outside the white house are anxious for something more. many of them thinks the president needs to talk more about what he would do to lay out a plan for the future. president obama heads to the crucial swing state of ohio today where he plans to reframe his economic message drawing a sharp contrast with mitt romney. his republican rival will be in cincinnati across the state giving a speech at nearly the exact same moment. he took a preemptive swing. >> he will speak eloquently but that words are cheap and that the record of an individual is the basis upon which you determine whether they should continue to hold on to their job. >> that criticism is expected. there's concern in mr. obamas own party that his economic message is not connecting with voters. as one senior democrat told cbs news, the president needs to say something new, to talk about his agenda for the future. another long-time democratic operative feels the same.

mark penn has done political strategy and polling for many democrats, including bill and hillary clinton. >> he needs a new message and economic policy because the old ones are not working. >> the race is in a statistical dead heat and a new poll shows president obama support slipping in one key demographic that helped him win in 2008. white men. >> i think he has to target soccer dads, suburban men, professional, well-educated. the professional households where he got basically half the vote last time are the ones most likely to make the big decision here in this election. >> today marks the president's 21st visit to ohio since he took office. that's no accident because ohio is a key swing state. the only places he's been too often are new york where he raises lots of money and maryland, virginia, an easy commute from here at 1600 pennsylvania. charlie, erica? >> bill plante, thank you.

cbs news political director, john dickerson is in des moines, iowa. john, good morning. >> good morning, charlie. >> what kind of concern is there within the obama campaign as well as across the country among democrats about the president's message? >> well, some things are going on, something that democrats do a lot of, wringing their hands when they're not applauding. the obama campaign doesn't understand where the country is and their sense of economic despair and that the president's mess saj just not reaching people, but the campaign is sort of off course a little bit and missing that fundamental question of the economy. >> well, if the president doesn't understand where the country is, that's a bigger problm, isn't it? >> it is a big problem. but the question is whether a president, whether an incumbent in a weak economy can message his way around the fact that basically the unemployment rate is high, the people have a sense

of despair, even if they have a job that they have a worry about their future and that may be a fact or a set of facts that are just too big to get around with clever messaging. >> what do we know about the romney campaign and their charges about this private sector gaffe is getting traction? >> well, it gets traction in part because the president's approval rating on the economy is he owe his approval ratings are bad. this is a way for the romney campaign to kind of keep leaning on that key point, that the president's stewardship of the economy is wrong and that here he is even this late in the game, he doesn't recognize the private sector is still hurting. the obama folks would say of course he knows it's hurting. he made a point about the private sector health versus the public sector health. >> about the message within the romney -- some governors particularly in some swing states actually want romney to pinpoint more of the successes

in the economy. is there a messaging issue in that camp as well moo. >> there is a little bit one in the republican side. not as much as in the democrats. here in iowa, the unemployment rate is lower than the national average and the governor is talking about all the jobs that are in iowa, also in ohio and virginia. where things are looking up. the governors are boasting about how they've brought jobs back to the state and then when governor romney comes in and talks about how gloomy and terrible the economy is, there is a bit of a disconnect. but the argument, republicans say what governor romney should say is that what's happening in these states is that republicans, when in charge can improve these things. let's do it on a national level. it's a conflict but one they think can get resolved. >> john, it gets more and more interesting. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, charlie. on face the nation this weekend, mitt romney will be on. check your local listings. this is not an end in sight for a giant wildfire burning in

northern colorado where it's been nearly a week now. on wednesday officials told residents to prepare to evacuate at any point. rick salinger of cbs 4 is at the fire command center in colorado. rick, good morning. >> good morning, erica. we're now at 46, 820 acres with 10% containment but growing. nevertheless, it's expected to take weeks to surround this fire, months to put it out and a disaster they've been predicted for years. the high park fire is the largest in colorado history despite the efforts of more than a thousand personnel in the air and on the groundment hundreds of residents remain forced from their homes. >> still working out the details but our team is looking at lifting evacuations in a couple of areas to get residents back into their homes where it's safe to do so. >> some evacuees are frustrated with a lack of information from fire officials. >> they couldn't tell me my

address, if the house, my place where my whole life right now was gone or not. >> colorado has long been concerned about fires like these. for at least five years, the state has been battling a pine beating infestation that's killing off trees leaving them dry as kindling.& officials confirm the fires were started by a lightning strike. a single moment resulting in at least one death. the loss of dozens of homes. and tens of thousands of acres of devastation. last night, they sent tremendous back fires in the beetle kill area, sending a cloud of black smoke into the sky. and this more than, you can still feel the sting in the eyes. erica and charlie. >> rick salinger of cbs 4 in denver. thank you very much. we expect another round of disturbing testimony today in the sex abuse trial of jerry sandusky. >> on wednesday, three new witnesses said they were molested as children by the

former penn state assistant football coach. armen keteyian fwhas court for the first three days of testimony. he's in the studio with us today. good morning. >> good morning, erica. senior judge declared the sandusky trial was moving along quickly and was comfortable that the commonwealth's case would be completed by tomorrow. by any measure, it's been a very good week for the prosecution. the rapidly moving trial stayed the course on wednesday. three more men ranging from 23 to 27 years old accusing the now 68-year-old sandusky of various degrees of sexual assault when they were young boys. from oral sex to groping. >> arguably, the most emotional testimony came from a husky, dark-haired man identified in court papers as victim number 10. now 25, he quietly recounted an incident in 1998 when at a 11 he said sandusky pinned him down in the base.

the family home, pulled down his shorts and performed oral sex. threatening him if he talked. i freaked out, i got scared who lived in a foster home at the time. he told me if i ever told anyone that i'd never see my family again. under cross-examination, the alleged victim who said he was sodomized at least five times acknowledged having recently spent nearly two years in prison for robbery and problems with drugs and alcohol. but he had straightened his life out. i'm married now, i'm expecting he told the court. throughout the day, defense attorney joe amendola searched and often found inconsistencies in the accusers' accounts from previous grand jury testimony, mainly the locations and dates of the alleged incidents. one alleged victim, now 27, who said he had been touched beneath his shorts and pants, admitted attending penn state games with sandusky's family and receiving free tickets from the former coach as recently as 2009. i wanted to go to games, he

said. i tried to block that stuff out and focus on the positives. >> throughout the week, sandusky, at least outwardly, has shown little emotion in court. mostly leaning in and boring at the witnesses on the stand. he will get his chance to testify in his own defense next week. >> to say powerful and disturbing would be an understatement. there's been talk about the inconsistency yesterday. >> you have the two independent witnesses, mike mckweer whoi testified about what he saw. then yesterday the judge allowed a co-worker who was in the building, the football facility saying his co-worker saw a disturbing act in a shower between sandusky and a young boy. the judge allowed this testimony, questions about hearsay but allowed it to go in. it was very graphic and

disturbing. he said the man said -- he said to him, this is something i will never forget for the rest of my life. you now have these two very powerful outside sources confirming a lot of what these alleged victims are saying in court. >> is there any possibility that mr. an sandusky is listening to this and putting it in context, you might say. saying i want to change my belief. >> i've sat in a lot of trials in my life. this is the most graphic, disturbing, creepy information i've heard. other people are saying it. it's just amazing. i'm surprised he's going put himself on the stand. thank you. a new "60 minutes" investigation. last month two air force pilots who fly the raptor fighter jet told lesley stahl they and other pilots get sick in flights because of a lack of oxygen. the air force says an inflatable vest, which is part of the flight suit may be to blame.

they are ordered to skip that vest during routine training flights. time to show you headlines from around the globe. the financial times says david cameron is testifying this morning in britain's phone hacking scandal. cameron told the investigative panel that regulation of the press needs to be improved. he's scheduled to testify all day answering questions about his relationship with rupert murdoch's news corporation. "the new york times" looks at jpmorgan's ceo testifying to congress about his bank's multibillion dollar trading loss. jamie dimon apologized to a senate committee but also pointed out that no client, customer or taxpayer money was affected. dimon says some chase executives may have their pay taken back. the buffalo news reports police are searching for a suspected surgeon suspected of fatally shooting his ex-girlfriend. the victim told friends that dr. timothy jordan had abused her and was stalking her. >> san francisco has a serious

problem with panhandle letters. city official rs starting a new program, paying them to be foster parents for homeless dogs. the goal is to teach them people skills so they can get jobs working with animals. in dallas this morning, they are cleaning up after one of the worst hail storms there in recent history. >> this is the biggest hailstorm i have ever witnessed in my life. >> baseball-sized hail, look at the damage from that. pounding the dallas-ft. worth area late yesterday. as you saw there, it shattered windshields, skylights, roofs. drivers were forced to pull over, understandable when you see the pictures. there were numerous delays at area airports.

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after prosecutors decide not to try him again on campaign fraud charges. this morning, we'll ask if the case damaged the department of justice and see what's next for the former senator. casey martin overcame a severe leg problem to play in the u.s. open. now, 14 years later, he's in the field again beating even longer odds. >> crazy things happen in life. here i am. i'm excited to get to compete. >> how do you explain it? >> you know, i really don't. >> we'll talk with this golfer as he attends his biggest co comeback yet on "cbs this morning." this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by dairy queen. so good, it's ridiculous.

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ground ball and a play here for him to complete the perfect game for matt cain. >> the crowd goes wild. 27 men up, 27 men down. matt cain is perfect in san francisco. as the giants beat houston, 10-0 last night. it is the second perfect game of this year. but just the 22nd in major league history. 2012 shaping up to be quite a season. welcome back. >> quite a group of pitchers. there will be no new trial for john edward. on wednesday, the justice department dropped fraud charges against the former democratic presidential candidate. last month, a north carolina jury acquitted edwards of one felony charge and deadlocked on five others. with us now, 48 hours

correspondent erin moriarty and legal analyst, jack ford. >> good morning. >> what does this say about the justice department? >> well, you know, if you look at it in -- a lot of people are looking at it as a bigger picture. first of all, prosecutors don't win every case. they do win an astonishing number, percentage of cases. 90% of cases prosecutors will win. sometimes you have to take a hard case to trial and you see how it plays out. i think what you're seeing here is a criticism that this was not the hard case to take to trial. folks now are looking at this saying, look, it wasn't a major case where there were dead bodies and people had to be brought to trial here. the kriti are also saying the federal election commission passed on this. they say we're not going after him civilly. there are a lot of questions being raised. when you win, you have the questions. when you lose, you get subjected

to the questions. is this something that this division of the justice department should have been focusing on and there are a whole lot of folks saying no. >> there's also the question of the justice department and the former now deceased alaska senator. >> sure. you know what happens is -- this division has come forward and said we've had a lot of successful prosecutions that nobody heard about. reality is that's true. the problem if you're going to be a prosecutor and take on high-profile cases and if you lose them, the one you talk about stephens in alaska, that was thrown out on appeal. there was almost a criminal case against a prosecutor saying how badly they mishandled it and buried evidence. it's back-to-back problems for these guys. >> because there's also been a string of disappointing verdicts. i think that's a problem too. it's allowed the defense in all these cases, we heard it in edwards, in roger clemens this week with the closing arguments. these are cases, examples of government overreaching.

when you have one case after another like this, that claim starts to have resonance. >> as a prosecutor, approximate you're looking at this, even if you have the percentage in your favor, what should the criteria be before bringing a case? >> here's what you do. certainly, had you're looking at whether had i retry a case, i was a prosecutor and had hung juries and had to decide. you look at three things. how serious is this case? if you're trying a serial murder case, you're almost always taking a second shot at it, even with a hung jury. this, we talked about it, really in a pantheon of cases, not that serious, then you look at how strong was my case and could it get any better if i do it a second time? the reality is the prosecution isn't getting any better. finally you look at it and say what have the jurors said to me. essentially the jurors said, even some of them said we think something happened here but almost all them said -- >> do we know what the jury split was?

>> the numbers, 8-4. >> edwards favor. i think when you take a look at the verdict or the nonverdict in many ways, this was just too confusing for these jurors. this is something that should have stayed with the federal election commission. the judge took an hour to read the jury instructions. i think, when you take a look at this, i think the jurors were confused by a law. when you read the jury instrction, they were confusing. >> or not. maybe they worked hard and got this and didn't see the evidence there to do what the prosecution wanted them to do. >> here's the answer. remember, a lot of people sort of look at this thing, if you -- guilty conviction means that the system worked and they raise issues about not guilty. we saw with casey anthony. the reality is, not guilty means the system works sometimes. there wasn't enough evidence. casey anthony, those jurors were vilified inappropriately i think. the reality was there was not enough evidence, plenty to convict her of being a despicable person.

but not a murderer. >> they've done their job which you've highlighted. they've taken the instructions seriously. >> i keep looking on both sides. the defense for edwards, millions of dollars, the prosecution and investigation of this. 3.5 years. millions of dollars. dozens of federal agents investigating this. >> we'll see if aits a lesson or not. casey martin fought the pga to the supreme court and won. he hasn't played competitive golf in six years. today he will tee off at the u.s. open. golf cart and all. we'll ask him about that incredible comeback. tomorrow, house democratic leader nancy pelosi stops by studio 57. you're watching "cbs this morning." living with the pain of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis...

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morning in san francisco. tiger woods, phil mickelson and masters champion bubba watson will tee off in the same group this morning. >> also in the field for the first time in 14 years, someone you may remember more recently from the courtroom instead of the golf course. jim axelrod is here. >> good morning to you. there is always a bunch of great story lines at the u.s. open. this is our national championship of golf after all. but this year, there is a unanimous agreement on the most inspirational golfer out there. the guy on the left is a challenge for golf fans. some love him, some hate him. not the guy on the right. he's much less complicated to root for. just ask the guy on the left. >> as far as playing with casey, >> casey is casey martin. a former college teammate of tiger woods and perhaps the easiest guy in the field to root for as the u.s. open gets under way. >> some crazy things happen in life. here i am. i'm excited to get to compete.

>> how do you explain it? >> you know, i really don't. >> it's not just that he hasn't played competitive golf in half a dozen years. he's the full-time golf coach at the university of oregon. but watch him walk. casey martin plays golf on one good leg. >> when i limp around, that's no joke or act. that's just kind of how i walk. >> martin was born with a condition that inhibits circulation in his right leg. he's lived with the threat of amputation all his life. >> i've been in jeopardy for a long time. my leg is pretty fragile. if i were to break it or something significant happen, i probably wouldn't have it. >> unless you really know him, i don't think people have an appreciation of how much pain he's in. he just lives with it. >> 15 years ago, martin, who was then an aspiring professional golfer, sued the pga tour for the right to use a golf cart in competition. the tour's position was that riding gave him an unfair advantage over other players who had to walk. it was a painful time for

martin, who was opposed by some of his heroes, like jack nicklaus who said riding would corrupt the traditions of the game. >> all the tours wanted to have everybody play under the same rules. >> but martin won. the tour appealed. the case went all the way to the supreme court, which backed casey martin. >> you know, i don't think much about my role in the game or what people think or who likes me or who doesn't. i knew i just wanted to play and knew that i needed some help to be able to pursue my dreams. fortunately, it worked out that i was given that opportunity. >> even with the cart, martin struggles as a professional golfer. the highlight of his career was tying for 23rd at the 1998 u.s. open at the olympic club in san tran fran. when he saw the open was returning to olympic this year, he decided to try to qualify. >> we get the best players in the world at the u.s. open. but there's an opportunity for other players to really live their dream. >> mike davis is the executive director of the united states

golf association, which runs the open and fills roughly half the field through qualifying tournaments. >> on a year, i'd say anywhere from 75 to 85 spots for 9,000 people to try to qualify for. so to have him virtually lead the game and come back and qualify for an event at this level is almost beyond belief. >> at the age of 40, casey martin is savoring every step this week, joyful and painful at the same time. the practice rounds with old friends. the encouragement from fans. and the chance to play in the u.s. open where, instead of dividing the golf world, he's uniting it. >> a lot of the well-wishers are excited for me. go win this thing. guys, look, this is really a huge task. this golf course is off the charts difficult. it's difficult for the best players in the world who are at p to have of their game, let alone a 40-year-old golf coach

with a disability. >> it's an extraordinary story. you get a sense that the pga has changed, they've come to accept it. >> i think the big fear was from the pga if casey martin could use a cart, anybody would. jack nicklaus said about what about a guy with a bad back. he wants a cart. there's a difference between a disability and an injury. golf as you know, charlie, is different than every other sport. you call penalties on yourself. it's a game of integrity. i don't think anybody wants to use something like to gain an unfair advantage. >> for that reason, a game of integrity, as a nongolfer, it's amazing to think, even jack nicklaus would think someone would try to use the cart to their advantage. >> it gives you a little bit of a window how our culture moved since this lawsuit was first brought because now everyone is realizing, hey, would you want casey martin's leg as -- would you trade that for the ability to ride in the golf cart? >> he would much rather walk.

>> yeah. >> this is a hard game as you know. >> i'll say. >> you're watching the best out there. >> the best. >> how is he doing, though, with the kind of injury he has? >> charlie, that was to me probably the most incredible thing of watching him. he kills the ball. you would watch him, he was playing with the pro golfer who has won recently. you couldn't -- ben crane another top ranked pga player. you couldn't tell in the ball flight and the trajectory, any difference. he's not sharp, he's not going to win this week probably but he's out there to compete. not just to show up. >> great seeing him next to

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hey, i just met you ♪ and this crazy ♪ but here's my number ♪ so call me maybe ♪ charlie, it was a lock. it was a lock. >> i didn't stop it. >> you ran the clock out. talking about politics. >> no. you ran the clock out. i'll see you, charlie. >> you didn't know the words to that one. by the end of the week, i will school you, charlie rose. >> no. what you hear me sing, you will not want me to sing. >> they did pretty well together. >> they may want to take that on the road. >> we know gayle could sing because she's shown it here. we did not know that the secretary of state or as he prefers to be called, general

powell. >> as he told us and enjoys it very much. >> he's written a new book as we discussed yesterday which is about what he's learned in lifetime of service with the country. having to do with conversations and things. an interesting read for a guy who has been in many places in many important positions. >> yeah. it's a great book. definitely worth picking up. he was a great sport. in case you're wondering at the top of the hour, gayle is taking much-deserved time off. >> going to visit her son. >> yes, she is. >> nice time for her. it is 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm charlie rose. >> i'm erica hill. antonio vargas was living the american dream, a multimedia journalist when he made headlines of his own last year. the prize winner said he was one of 12 million illegal immigrants living in the united states. >> had morning, he has the cover story in the latest issue of "time" magazine, the provocative cover photo shows jose with 35

others. they reveal their names and stories in the magazine. he's with us in studio 57. >> thank you for having me. >> it's good to have you here. tell me what you're doing here. who are these people and what's the point? >> the point is, we are not who you think we are. you know, after coming out last year about my own personal story, i've traveled the country. i've been at 60 events in 20 different states the past year, alabama, arizona, iowa. ordinary americans have such a profound misunderstanding and misperceptions about what this issue is and who we exactly are. to me the power of this "time" magazine cover is, you have 35 people here from 15 different countries, mexico, nigeria, israel, korea, philippines. you know, when we think about illegal immigration, we think it's all about mexicans and the border. that's not the reality. >> what happens if they want to

become legal? >> that's the problem. there isn't a process. people don't know that. we're being in iowa and cedar rapids, mitt romney telling the audience, people like me should get in the back of the line. where is the line? if they can tell us where it is, if it's in times square somewhere, i'll go there right now. there is no line, there is no process. >> i'm fascinated in the story. you say you called at one point after you came out and you sat and waited for the government to knock on your door. they didn't. so you called and you got nothing. >> this is the reality of it. at the end of the day, most people in my situation haven't been encountered by the government. there's 11.5 million of us, right? most people have not been encountered. i'm not even in their database as one of the people in the government, immigration officials sold me. >> they couldn't even talk to you about your case? >> they couldn't. >> even though you were calling about yourself. >> i am about as public as it comes on thisment i'm on twitter, i'm on facebook. i'm on the corner of 14th and

6th in manhattan. to me, what's fascinating too is i'm a part of growing movement of people who are coming out about their stories and saying, you know, this is not what you think it is. people are writing about arizona bill that's about to be decided by the supreme court. people are speaking out. that's the powerful part of it. >> if there was a debate in this campaign about immigration, what should the debate be? >> the debate should be about an actual solution. the debate should be an actual compromise. the debate should be about an honest conversation about this issue. >> what do you think would be fair to everybody? >> what would be fair is to come up with a system in which people like me, you know, we're almost invisibly visible. we're here. so allow us to come forward and say, hey, if you want us to pay our back taxes. if you want us to wait in some

sort of line. if you want us to learn to speak english, i speak pretty good english, english pretty well. but give us the process that we can enter. it doesn't exist. >> is there any way it's inequitable for people who have paid what is necessary to be a legal immigrant? >> the thing to me is, what's more counterproductive is allowing people like me to even stay in the shadows. for example, people didn't know that we pay taxes. in 2010 we paid $11.2 billion in state and local taxes. we pay into social security, yet we can't benefit. >> but you can also -- how is it that you're able to. you wrote this story. you get paid for your workment. >> yeah. >> you're an illegal immigrant. how do you get paid? >> as n undocumented american, as an independent contractor. i'm not allowed to be an employee of cbs news or huffington post where i used to

work. i can be a freelancer, so to speak. by the way, that's how construction workers, gardeners get paid. >> could you be deported? >> oh, yeah, i could. >> do you worry approximate that? >> all 35 of us in this cover worry about that. what's more wore some is not doing anything about it. >> will anybody -- this is such a political issue. do you feel -- do you ever get a straight answer do you think when you talk to lawmakers or is it over a vote? >> it's become a third rail issue. politicians don't want to touch this. again, i don't think we've had an honest conversation about it. it's really tough to talk about any pieces of legislation without first having an honest conversation about what we're talking about. >> interesting. charlie points out, maybe we can get a little bit that of in the debates it would be nice. >> thank you so much for having me. >> thank you. >> you can read jose's article in the new

when john f. kennedy ran for president, life magazine was there. now 52 years later, we're seeing some fascinating photos of the candidate and his family. many of them never seen before and many of them are private moments. we'll show those to you when we return on "cbs this morning."

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neil diamond. today is flag day. on this date in 1954, president eisenhower signed a bill adding under god to the pledge of allegiance.

they weren't in there before that. the pledge used to end, one nation, indisvisible with liberty and justice for all. that fact comes to us from mental floss. happy flag day. we're getting a fascinating look this morning at some never before seen pictures of president john f. kennedy. >> life magazine just released a collection of photos from kennedy's run for the white house 52 years ago. they capture both the public and the private moments from the epic 1960 race. >> it was a campaign for the ages. featuring an impossibly handsome young war hero and his regal bride, hoping to lead the nation at the height of the cold war. one reporter wrote, when he was away from public eye, kennedy would work while reclining. the only way to ease his chronic back pain. norman may letter followed the candidate and wrote a long profile he titled superman come to the supermarket. in the days before plane travel was routine, kennedy rode the

rails to wisconsin. a capped by a young arthur slessinger who would soon become a trusted adviser and later a fathful biographer. describing jackie kennedy, he wrote a "a lady whose face might be too imaginative for the taste of a democracy." a life beat reporter deemed scenes like this the blissful fog of feminine adoration. the great phenomenon of the 1960 campaign. he would seem at one moment older than his age it was written. five minutes later, he would look like a movie star again. one could argue that this was one of the most important conventions in america's history. and could prove conceivably to be the most important. the man it nominated was unlike any politician who had ever run for president in the history of the land. great pictures. >> it's amazing.

i mean, it was a imagine al time. i remember the convention and the drama of it, first of all, and then we've learned so much about him and especially the pain and the back problems. >> quite a story. one that people are so interested in still. you get that snippet of why -- >> what i'm remind fd. when i see a new biography of someone, we thought everything that could be written was written, there's always something new to be said or some new thing we're discovering, a letter or photograph or something like that. >> always a little something else. >> a young man jailed for murder in missouri may soon walk out an innocent man. ryan ferguson's father has been fighting for years to have his son's conviction overturned. the prosecution's best witness is now saying something that could have an impact. we'll tell you what that is on "cbs this morning." this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by citibank.

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dreams can be joyful, disturbing or even inspiring. they've even been used to dikt the future. one teenager's dream led to a murder conviction. >> is waiting to hear if his conviction will be thrown out. erin moriarty has the story of one father who never stopped seeking justice. phil ferguson would spend this father's day the way he has for six years. working obsessively to find new evidence that will set his 27-year-old son free. ryan ferguson is in a missouri prison for second-degree murder. >> i'm going to be able to prove that my son is innocent. i don't know how. but i knew i could. >> there never was any physical evidence tying the younger ferguson to the murder of this

man, a columbia tribune sports editor who was strangled and bludgeoned to death on halloween 2001. there was only the words of two witnesses. charles ericsson, one of ferguson's high school's classmates. first connected ferguson to the murder after telling friends, he dreamed that he and ryan committed it. when questioned by police, erickson seemed to know few details. >> we know for a fact his belt was ripped off of his pants. >> right. >> but a year later, at trial, erickson showed no such doubt. >> he had a belt and he had his foot on his back on the victim's back. he was pulling him up on the belt. >> the other witness was jerry trump, an office janitor. he dramatically pointed him out as a man leaving the scene. >> would you point to that individual, please. >> yes.

but in sworn testimony at a hearing in april, both witnesses say they lied. erickson told the court he was pressured by the police and prosecutor to name ferguson. jerry trump, admitted he couldn't identify anyone at the crime scene and in a poignant moment told the court what he wished for now. >> i'd like to have forgiveness from ryan and his family. >> both men could face perjury charges and their efforts might not even free ferguson. the missouri attorney general stands by the conviction. it's now up to a judge to decide if ryan ferguson's conviction should be thrown out. and if he will finally be reunited with the father who has never doubted him. >> erin more rart i is back with

us this morning. this is a disturbing case. >> what's really odd is, it was disturbing to me seven years ago before the trial even happened. i never thought he would be convicted. i am not kidding. ryan ferguson was convicted on the word of a high school friend who originally started dreaming. this is a young man who had a lot of drug problems, he would have blackouts, he read about this case. two years later, he starts dreaming. he goes to the police thinking, okay, tell me did daye it or not? they're so excited about solving a case. you see him on the police videotape. he knows nothing about the case. by the time it comes to trial, he's the best witness. ryan ferguson is convicted. and seven years later, he may or may not get out. i still have trouble believing this case. that's why we've been following it so long >> may or may not. >> may or may not. it's very iffy. it's going to take a brave decision on the part of this judge. because recantations, only two pieces of evidence. two witnesses against this young man at all that tie him at all

to the crime. no physical evidence at all. but now they've recanted. but in appeals most of the time recantations don't carry a lot of weight. in this case, both of these witnesses face perjury charges. they had no reason to come forward. the fact that they came forward actually put them to their detriment. maybe that will help. but he may not get out. >> you say you kept coming back to this. each time you came back, there was also some new bit of evidence that you found. that's one of the reasons that actually one of the people came forward, correct? they couldn't deal with seeing it anymore. >> absolutely. said that on the stand in april. i was at this hearing and jerry trump, the janitor, they said why are you coming forward? he said i kept seeing this case, it was never going to go away. i decided to finally tell the truth. also, an attorney has come forward and helped this case from seeing this on television. >> from your report, as i understand it. always good to have you with us, especially twice in one day.

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president obama at the white house. that's a nice thing. dropped to say hello. i talked to her p.r. guy. she's been there before? no, no. betty, the first time she visited the white house she stayed in the lincoln bedroom with lincoln. that was the first time she was there. >> welcome back to "cbs this morning." >> perfect delivery.

>> it is. it's so much about that perfect delivery. thank you, david letterman. the internet is about to change. nearly all of the most useful dot com addresses and domains have been used up. >> the company that oversees web addresses put out a potential of new domain names. as ben tracy reports, getting one is neither easy nor cheap. >> george minardos runs a construction company building high end homes and restaurants. he has his eye on a new piece of property, online. >> what kind of real estate is it, essentially? >> it's kind of like the great land rush. it depends how long your view is. i thought wow, this is a great opportunity. >> minardos spent $1 million trying to buy three new internet domai domains. dot build, dot construction. he would use the web addresses but also sell them to other builders.

>> you think this is something on. >> i'm hoping. >> more than 1400 proposals for new internet domain names were announced wednesday. each application costs $180,000. the most sought after are dot app, dot home, dot inc. and dot art. >> all the good dot comes, dot nets, dot orgs are taken. this allows them to get a domain you like. if you're a realtor, you might want something dot realty. >> overseas internet addresses, they decide which new names will be added. it will auction it off to the highest bidder. rod beckstrom heads the organization. >> we do even criminal background checks on the officers of the corporation. financial checks, technology checks. it's really quite rigorous checks we have to do because running a top level domain is

like running a key piece of internet infrastructure. >> tech giant google went after 99 names, including dot google, dot you-tube, dot free and dot fun. amazon wants 76. everything from dot author to dot movie and dot song. yet apple applied for just one. dot apple. >> you're going to see a lot of sites that have multiple doma s domains. there's a coke.com for the coca-cola company but they may buy the domain dot coke. >> many have not been approved. but others should be online in 2013. for "cbs this morning," ben tracy, santa monica. this is amazing idea that somehow you can spend a $180,000 to get a name that you make a ton of money from later. >> it's amazing when i was covering technology years ago during the dot com boom, this started to become a big problem when people would buy up all the names to make a lot of money off

of them. people still trying. it's a little more difficult. >> i had to go out and buy when i was looking for charlie rose.com. somebody had gone through the media name and had reserved them. horde to get them back, you had to go to court or pay this guy. >> i let mine lapse. i used to owner ka hill.com. someone bought it within an hour after i let it go. i'm not paying you a lot of money for it. don't even try. charlie rose will pay you for it. >> you bet. china -- >> china -- we're talking more about kien a because the economy is growing by leaps and bounds. we have someone here to talk about china's ambitious plan to build airplanes for the world. coul

a disturbing look at what's

happening in chen gang chang's hometown. he's staying in new york after escaping house arrest last month sparking a diplomatic crisis between china and the united states. >> chen left family members behind in china. sky news was able to get in the village. >> chen no longer lives in the village. we found it guarded by men who locals said were thugs hired by the government. >> these men are refusing to identify themselves, but they're saying that we're not allowed into the village and we can't film here at all. chennault owe we went to find out what happened to the family chen left behind. >> chen's older brother met with us at a secret location nearby.

he told us police tortured him to discover how chen managed to escape. they handcuffed me and tied me to a chair, he said. then they chained my legs together and began to beat me around the head. they removed my own leather belt, looped it together and then hit me with that as well. he said, they also beat his wife and when his son tried to defend himself with a knife, he told us the police arrested him and charged him with attempted murder. we waited until nightfall when the guards were off duty to try again to get inside the village and meet chen's elderly mother. she is 78 years old. she told us she's been targeted for years, ever since her son spoke out about how the local government forced women to undergo abortions as part of

china's one-child policy. the men follow me wherever i go she said. three or four of them at a time. sometimes they search me, my bag, my clothes, my pockets. they even search my shoes. this is the wall that chen scaled to make his way to freedom. his brother told us chen waited until his guards went to get water to make a run for it. he had only ten seconds to do it. it was a desperate act after years of imprisonment and abuse. now, chen has freedom and a new life in new york with his wife and children. but the rest of his family still faces an uncertain future. holly williams, sky news for cbs news, china. >> authorities in china would rather show us how it's becoming a modern world power. two thirds of the airports in

the world with being built in china. >> the country is investing $250 billion into the aerospace industry. in his new boom, james fallows, national correspondent for the atlantic magazine looks at what all this means for the united states. welcome. >> thank you very much, charlie. >> you have gn to that village? > yes. i never saw the compound where he was held. two years ago i was there on a different story. it is amazing to see this report and the whole drama. >> you were -- >> yeah. it's interesting that what we saw in the last few minutes is also connected to what i'm writing about on the higher end of technology. the question is whether it's a society that still has this oppression for people like mr. chen who just wanted china to stand up to its own laws. whether it can reach the highest technological levels. that's a challenge. >> in your story, what does the aviation industry represent as a metaphor? >> it's a practical challenge for chinese government. it's the leading exporter from the united states, arrerospace

the -- they'd like a bigger share for themselves. they see this as a symbol of the next step the entire economy needs to make to go from the factory life which people gained over the last 30 years to the higher value, higher wage industrial life that western countries have and they don't yet. >> can they do that and still have the kinds of things we just saw? >> that is what makes the answer to that question, i think is what we're going to be looking at in china over the next 20 years. they're doing all the material things they can to prepare the conditions for having aerospace industries and farming industries and info tech and all the rest. if you're censoring the internet at the same time and having local authorities imprisoned, that is the attention that will be the drama of china the next decade. >> because other governments understandably are cautious about doing business with a country that's so tightly tied to that. will this, though, force china to address that, to address the human rights allegations? >> i think there are

contradictions to every level of china's existence right now, between pollution and people's desire for a better life. the thing people want and the kinds of things we saw on the report. between the ability to attract the best engineers and scientist toss work in china if they know there are internal factors. the resolution of that tension is what you and i discussed over the years. what we're going to all be watching and rooting for the correct sides. >> why do they do it? back to the human rights issue. do they have any legitimate reason to believe that this is necessary? >> i think that there are people had china who would argue to you the history of the last 100 years is tumultuous. there's a chinese bias of not having a great upheaval or upset. the real reason is the lack of coordination of the government. it's the local authorities in the province who are most oppressing mr. chen and his family. people in the foreign ministry would rather not have this

happen. you have this big chaos of what we see as unified country but there's all these vulcanized states in it. >> there's also concern of what would happen if it went away. we saw what happened in the soviet union after that. people who really didn't know how to function on a daily level. >> exactly. i think the fall of the former soviet union is on the forefront of foreign ministry people. they don't want that to happen to them. they recognize all the tensions in china that's just at every seam it's bursting now. they're trying to find ways to address each of those tensions. >> there's a new poll that suggests for the first time respond dents around the world pick china as the leading economy by a margin -- they have the largest economy in the world. will they be able to do the kinds of things that the united states does? do they have the ingredients to produce the kind of companies >> sure. certainly in terms of raw human talent. they have four times as many -- many of them when they come here lead american enterprises.

the systems under which those people can in universities do the world's best research, and corporations do innovations that have the protection and sort of the rule of law to succeed. they don't have those soft power ingredients now and that is what they hope to build and we'll watch them try. >> great to see you. >> thank you so much. >> james fallows with china airborne is on sale now. if you want to know what's red hot right now, it's hot sauce. there are more flavors and varieties of it than ever. so we sent jeff glor to spice up his life a little bit. wait until you see the results. i think he's still feeling them. thats just ahead on "cbs this morning."

america's fastest growing industry is producing things like solar panels and generic drugs and hot sauce. >> sales have spiked 150% in the past ten years. jeff glor went to see an entrepreneur on the cutting-edge. >> or maybe the burning edge. >> good morning to both of you. >> hot, hot. >> yes. this is a whole new world. it's fascinating to learn about and it's not just the brain that's fired up. there is the mouth too. >> you're talking about the most potent, powerful, intense ingredients on planet earth. >> on the floor of this baltimore factory, blair lazar makes a concoction of chili pepper. blair's death sauce.

lazar first served hot sauce in 1989 as a young bartender trying to force lingering customers to leave at closing time. today he can't keep them away. >> it's a way to suddenly feel different. everything is suddenly a little bit brighter, maybe a lot of bit brighter. his after hours experiment has morphed into a multimillion dollar enterprise. in part fueled by exports. 40% of the bottles made by market leader tabasco were sent overseas. for lazar, it's 75%. here at home, there's also the changing nature of american cuisine. as immigrants from asia and latin america introduce more of the culture to others. >> i was interested in why people would eat something that tasted so bad. it's sort of like your mouth is going to peel off when you eat it. >> it's the source of heat in all chili peppers. university of pennsylvania

professor paul roz rozin has done the work with why half the people craves it. >> if babies don't like it, if animals hate it, why do some of us love it? >> well, there's a transformation that occurs. it occurs between ages about four and six that kids start liking hot food. >> is it a form of punishment that people are enjoying? >> i call it benign mass owe kichl. it's sort of a mind over body. i'm smarter than my body. >> what sort of things do you put hot sauce in? >> i've actually put my chilies into ice cream. >> come on. >> absolutely. the heat of a dish is measured on a scale. at the top, 16 million units is pure cap say sin. pepper spray by police measures 2 million. original tabasco is 5,000 units.

lazar's ultradeath sauce reaches around a million. he gave us a taste test. >> this is the hottest hot sauce you have? >> yes. >> cheers. >> cheers. >> it doesn't take long for the face to feel like it's on fire. whether we try to hide it or not. >> it takes a bit of. >> this is our middle of the road hot sauce. probably a much more appropriate place to start. because, again, what i said to you before about -- >> i need to blow my nose. >> despite the initial shock, lazar still believes there are plenty of palates left ready to adopt his uniquely devilish view on dining. >> where does hot sauce go in the next 10, 20 years? >> i believe it's coca-cola. it would be more inappropriate to not have it in your dish than

to have it. >> do you want this? >> not that hot, no. i wish they had told me it was half of -- great pepper spray. it's hot. i mean, at that level, it really just sort of obliterates the tongue, right? everything gets fired up. by the way, you only sweat when you eat hot stuff, through the face. nowhere else, just the face. >> you bring up a great point on that. we've probably been at the table, i can take it hotter than you. at some point, you literally kill the flavor of the food. >> i think it's difficult to argue that after a certain point, it is tough to say that gourmet, or that it's flavorful. it sort of blows everything elsa way. it is indeed. >> have you developed a taste for it at all? >> i suppose. moderate amount. >> i've gotten used to hotter things a little bit more. medium hot is what i prefer. >> you still get the other flavors going through. >> yeah. i think that's the idea, right?

we do have the ultra death available if anyone wants to stick around after. >> not likely. >> should we start serving it to people if we want them to leave. >> when he was a bartender -- >> put it on chicken wings. people wouldn't leave. 3:00, 4:00 in the morning, he would throw it on chicken wings. >> the shock of it. >> they would fall over. >> i got blow my nose. >> exactly. >> thank you, jeff glor. good to have you back. >> sure thing. up next, your local news and tomorrow we'll see you right here "cbs this morning." more conversations back here "cbs this morning." more conversations back tomorrow. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com