0a ♪ good morning. it is wednesday, june 27th, 2012. welcome to studio 57. that's the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. homes are burning and thousands are forced to evacuate as a giant wildfire reaches colorado springs. and from "when harry met sally" to "sleepless in seattle" nora he have ephron. a looming health care decision expected to come tomorrow. and the truth about how much online retailers know about us. i'm gayle king. a diet study reveals all calories are not the same.

and first as we do every morning, we begin with a look at today's eye-opener. morning, we begin with a look at today's eye-opener. your world in 90 seconds. colorado in flames. the fast-moving fire hits the this is a firestorm of epic proportions. >> colorado wildfires forced thousands more to flee. >> the air force academy shutting down as the huge waldo canyon fire bears down on the campus. >> 32,000 people ordered to evacuate. >> it's frightening that we could lose everything. >> tropical depression. >> the danger not yet over. the storm could drench florida and georgia with 4 to 8 inches of rain over the next two days. >> alligators, water moccasins, rattle snakes. >> all my memories, all my stuff is gone. just gone. nora ephron has died of

leukemia in manhattan. >> she was best known for "sleepless in seattle" and "when harry met sally". >> was there misconception? >> oh, i don't think so. i'm just typing. >> stockton, california, about to make history by seeking bankruptcy protection. the biggest american city ever to do so. college, the bcs to crown a national champion starting in 2014. >> he doesn't have the ball. the ump is saying out. the guy next to him is looking at him and goes, you got it. >> you made a sex tape with him. whose idea was that, anyway, yours or his? >> that was brilliant, wasn't it? it. >> first of all, i have a headache and i'm not in the mood for you to put me in my place. >> the queen has just met the former i.r.a. commander mcguiness and shook his hand. >> now that you've got this out

of your system, you ready to go back to cleveland and play some ball? [ laughter ] >> right now? we're playing no ball right now. welcome to "cbs this morning", a wildfire near colorado springs exploded overnight. officials say the situation is crucial. >> the fire has reached the outskirts of the city. mass evacuations affecting 32,000 people have been ordered, including the air force academy. rick sallinger of our denver station, cbs 4, is in colorado springs. >> reporter: the fire here in colorado springs jumped fire parameters on tuesday and that brought frantic calls for thousands of people to leave their homes. the massive wildfires burning across the state took a turn for the worse tuesday, as tens of thousands evacuated from their homes, and dozens more lost theirs in the inforeigno.

more than 32,000 people fled here in colorado springs. >> this is a firestorm of epic proportions. >> reporter: wind gusts of up to 65 miles per hour are striving super-heated air, days of 100-degree temperatures have sapped humidity and fueled the flames. john hoickenlooper says it look like a military invasion. >> it's tough. but we're not going to back away, we're not going to quick. >> reporter: a lightning strike ignited the latest wildfire. jill spent four years building a home in boulder, especially designed for her respiratory problems. she moved in just last week, but had to be evacuated tuesday. >> every day, i'm like, i should pack a bag and have it ready because i have medicine and oxygen and stuff i need. and i didn't. and i'm like -- there's the lesson. >> let's go, we need to move now. >> everything else can burn, but

not him. >> reporter: scott deets took only his most precious possession when he left home tuesday. >> the flag is my son's, and -- excuse me. i lost him in iraq. so i want to make sure i take that down. >> reporter: the high park fire in northern colorado is the largest in the state. still growing at 136 square miles, and more than 250 homes gone. the u.s. air force academy is located nearby, some 2,100 people have been vevacuated there, just as 1,000 new cadets are expected to arrive. charlie and erica? >> rick sallinger there. mean time the rain they need in colorado can be found in florida. former tropical storm debby continues to dump rain at record levels as it makes its way across the state. debby was downgraded to a tropical depression tuesday after finally making landfall on the gulf coast about 90 miles south of tallahassee. it has caused widespread flooding in several florida towns, including live oak, which

is where we finished bigad shaban this morning. good morning. >> reporter: erica, good morning. the flooding here goes about seven blocks into the neighborhood. all the way, in fact, to the city's main pumping station. so there's now a concern that sewage could actually be dumping on to the streets and pouring into homes here in live oak. all because of debby. over the past five days, virtually every one of florida's 67 counties has gotten a dose of debby. as the storm finally prepares to make its exist, it's threatening to dump up to 8 more inches of rain on top of the 2 feet already inundated some areas. >> our driveway is -- was over my head. probably still is. >> reporter: for debby skinner, a boat is the only way she and her husband can get home. >> alligators, water mock sons, rattle snakes, all up in the trees right now. >> reporter: in the northern part of the state, roughly 80% of the town of live oak is submerged.

melissa hendrickson waded through the waters tuesday to survey the damage of her home and look get pictures of her dad who recently died of cancer. >> it kind of hurts. it's all i had left. >> reporter: after stalling over the panhandle for days, debby washed ashore before weakening to a tropical depression. while the system may no longer pack the same punch, forecasters warn isolated tornadoes and flooding are still possible. dozens of sinkholes are also popping up across the state. in yards, streets and airports. debby should slowly march out to sea by tonight, but floodwaters from tampa all the way up to jacksonville could linger for days. as for debby skinner, a month into the atlantic hurricane season, she says she has already had enough. >> as far as staying here, i think i'm done. i think i'm done. >> reporter: and throughout the entire state of florida, charlie and erica, more than 13,000 people are waking up this morning without power.

>> bigad shaban, thanks. tomorrow morning, the supreme court will hand down its long awaited decision on president obama's health care law. everyone with a stake in the outcome is preparing for it. >> president obama and republican challenger mitt romney tested out their messages on tuesday, trying to anticipate what the justices may rule. >> if obama care is not deemed constitutional, then the first three-and-a-half years of this president's term will have been wasted on something that has not helped the american people. >> i believe health reform was the right thing to do. i believe it was right to make sure that everybody in this country gets decent health care and is not bankrupt when they get sick. >> with us now, republican strategist mike murphy. welcome. >> good morning. >> do you believe that if the court strikes down the individual mandate, it benefits the president? >> well, it could. i'm not sure i believe that -- i think it's going to be a wash. i think washington is aflutter about this. but i think ultimately, both sides are kind of dug in. if they knock down the -- aca,

the affordable care act, romney will be able to declare victory in a popular law and pack obama, you can't deliver anything, which links to the economy. what people might be missing, obama may be able to relitigate the stuff the people like without the burden of things they don't like. things like no preexisting condition. so i think obama may get the issue and lose the baggage of the plan. i don't think it's a big win for him, but i think it's more of a wash than a defeat if the supreme court knocks it down. if you look at the electoral college, kind of the wonkism of it, it's a closer race than some of these national polls that may show a bit of a romney lead or about tied. it really boils down to can romney get something going in the west by getting better latino numbers in colorado or can he win a democratic leaning state like a michigan or wisconsin or pennsylvania. if he can do that, i think romney wins. if not, just locked into winning ohio and florida, i think the president is in advance. so it's close and we're only in

the third inning. so much left to happen. >> including the big debate. >> which will be everything. >> there's talk about how everyone is doing at this point and how each campaign is playing things. mitt romney was criticized he couldn't connect with voters. is he doing a better job of that? >> innin think so. i think romney got a bad rap. once he got the republican nomination and became the other choice on the ballot, boom, it's a tied race. so the question is, after labor day, when this thing really gets going, even though it seems like it's been going on for 20 years, what -- will it be a debate about a new economic manager? that's romney's campaign. or will it be a debate about mitt romney. and big capital and that stuff. that's obama's campaign. it's going to be like basketball. >> wouldn't it be a debate, though, on current events? at the end of the day, that's what's going to matter. >> yeah, whatever voters think the most important thing is will be what is debated over. but the campaign has got to control that. obama campaign thinks most important thing is what's wrong with romney.

romney thinks it's lousy economy. >> where does likability play in this? >> you know, it's important, but generally when you're in a campaign, if you've got the less, quote, likeable guy, then you want to sell the answer to the problem. you may not love me, but you're going to love the job i'll get you. so each campaign will double down on its strengths. and you're going to see this thing coming down again, i think. can romney get a traditionally lean democratic state like a wisconsin or pennsylvania to offset the latino problem he's got in nevada and colorado, and then with the huge fight for virginia, florida, ohio. >> romney has a big choice about who will be his running mate. any sense of what's happening there? >> i think all this parlor talk, but i think -- what i believe, it will be operation sandman, put them to sleep, don't take chances. we did the take chances thing four years ago, and we've still got, you know, burned furniture around the party from that. i think the rob portmans of the world make sense. it's the clinton rule. southern white brought assistants win as democrats so

he picked another one. >> a question about a trade representative, and will remind people of bush. >> everybody has a down side. and they play good candidates, all good friends of mine. but i think the boring may be in. this time. and the truth is, the focus is on the presidential candidate. people don't vote for vice presidents. but they might change what they think about the nominee based on who you think. so we'll see. we've got a lot of strong people, rubio, christie. but the convention was for port man. might be right. >> good to see you. >> good to see you. this morning u.n. officials say violence in syria is just as bad or even worse than it was when a cease fire was declared in april. secretary clinton plans to attend a high-level meeting this weekend in geneva. a new u.n. report says investigators could not determine who was responsible for more than 100 deaths. it did say syrian government forces committed human rights violations on an alarming scale. the air force is assigning a

two-star general to a growing sexual misconduct scandal. one dozen in lackland base in texas are suspected of abuse. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica and charlie. yes, investigations, allegations of sexual misconduct between air force training instructors and recruits began here at the base last summer. but now the defense department has ordered a comprehensive, strategic review of the entire air force training community. the widespread criminal investigation is looking into the possibility that cases of sexual misconduct extend beyond lackland air force base. investigators are looking at four air force bases across two states. >> you're slowing everybody up! >> reporter: since allegations of misconduct began, 35 military instructors have been removed from their posts. four have been accused. sergeant luis walker, one of the

accused instructors, has pled not guilty and faces court martial. he's charged with raping or sexually assaulting ten recruits between october 2010 and january 2011. the air force says it's being fully transparent. >> i want the public to know what's going on. i don't want the possibility of someone to say, well, look, they're trying to cover it up. >> reporter: the investigation comes as secretary of defense leon panetta announced wider plans to deal with this issue. >> we will continue to develop our strategies, we'll continue to devote our energy and our intention to enforcing our department's zero tolerance policy on sexual assault. >> reporter: lawmakers on capitol hill, like california representative jackie spear, want to further investigate the matter with a hearing of their own. >> congress has known about this problem in the military for 25 years. we've had lots of hearings, lots of reports. but are we willing to step up

and do the right thing by taking it out of the chain of command so the victims really have the frooet freedom to report these crimes and feel they are not going to be margin allized and dismissed from the military. >> reporter: this could be the worst sexual misconduct scandal to hit the military since a similar case involving the army occurred in aberdeen, maryland, back in 1996. today, survivors of military sexual assaults will be lobbying with members of congress on capitol hill, trying to encourage them to pass legislation sponsored by spear, called the stop act. that bill would take these investigations, the handling and allegations of investigations, away from the military and put them in the hands of a separate military unit. take them away from the chain of command. charlie and erica? >> anna warner, thank you. later today, stockton, california, could become the largest american city ever to

file for bankruptcy. and economists warn other large u.s. cities could be next. ben tracy takes a look at how they got into so much trouble. >> reporter: stockton, california was a city with big dreams. in the mid 2000s, it overhauled its marina. built new parking garages. bought a new city hall. and put up a new arena. the housing market was on fire and tax revenues were pouring in. so the city took out $190 million in bonds and loans to pay for their projects. >> everybody was still living high on the hog. >> reporter: bradley coster owned a bar downtown. >> on friday and saturday nights, the hockey team played. and we packed the place. >> reporter: but then the great recession came to stockton. unemployment is nearly 20%, and the foreclosure rate is one of the highest in the nation. tax revenues have plummeted, and the city is facing a $26 million deficit. the bank just took back those parking lots, and the future city hall.

is it fair to say this city was living beyond its means for a long time? >> yes. but it was incremental. >> reporter: city manager, bob dice, says stockton cannot afford its boom-time borrowing, because it also has skyrocketing pension costs, and city employees who get free health care for life. >> you're also staring at more than $400 million in unfunded health care liabilities. how do you ever pay that if you don't change the system? >> we just don't see it as that off. >> reporter: california state law requires the city negotiate with its unions, including its police officers, for up to 90 days. there's been no agreement, so now stockton faces its ultimate plan b. bankruptcy. >> there's a long queue out of there cities like stockton that are going to be doing the same thing. >> reporter: economist peter navarro points to other cities, such as vallejo, california, and central falls, rhode island,

which also went bankrupt, largely because of unfunded pensions. jefferson county, alabama filed for chapter 9, sinking in $3 billion worth of debt. >> and this is not a story about stockton. it's a story about the failure of our national economy. and the reason is simply because we don't make things anymore. >> reporter: in stockton, bradley coster just closed down his bar. >> i had loyal people that worked for me for years. and that -- hurt. >> reporter: is and it's one more business stockton cannot afford to lose. for "cbs this morning," ben tracy, stockton. it is time to show you some of this morning's headlines from around the globe. britain's telegraph says queen elizabeth shook hands with the former commander this morning. security in belfast, northern ireland was tight for that meeting. the i.r.a. ended its arm resistance of british rule 14 years ago. former leader martin mcguiness is now an important government

minister. the "washington post" reports senator orrin hatch won utah republican primary tuesday, overcoming a challenge from a tea party-backed candidate. and charles wrong wrangle won in new york city. virginia, a stunning report from the university of virginia. it reinstated president teresa sullivan after forcing her resignation. the decision came after a firestorm of protests. and "usa today" says college football will have a 14th playoff starting in 2014. two semi final games will be part of the existing bowl system and then the winners play in a national championship game.

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welcome back to "cbs this morning". "sleepless in seattle" is one of nora ephron's thoughtful movies. the author died last night, age 71, after a long and quiet battle with leukemia. >> for more than four decades, ephron's writing made us laugh and cry, and most of all, made us think. sunday morning looks back at her storied life. >> oh, oh! >> i'll have what she's having. >> reporter: nora ephron wrote that. if we have such a thing as a movie vocabulary, that scene from "when harry met sally" is in it. ephron was great with

one-liners. in the romantic comedies she wrote, such as "sleepless in seattle" or "you've got mail," women saw funnier versions of themselves. their dreams. their worries. their dilemmas. >> you say things like that, and you make it impossible for me to hate you! >> and "when harry met sally" is not a movie about whether men and women can be friends. it's about how different men and women are. >> reporter: ephron was literally born into writing. in new york city, although she grew up in had beverly hills, because her parents, henry and phoebe ephron, were both screen writers, whose advice to their four daughters, all future writers, was turn your misfortunes into stories. nora ephron graduated from wellesley college in 1962. then went to work as a mail girl at "newsweek." not for long. soon, she was writing for magazines, collections of her essays became best-sellers.

she took her parents' advice and turned her ugly divorce from reporter carl bernstein, of watergate fame, thinly disguessed into a novel. then the movie, "heartburn." > you charred everything! look at this! flowers. look at all these flowers you bought for her! >> it is the defining fact of your life. if you are divorced, and have kids with the person that you're divorced from. and that just seemed like something worth seeing. >> reporter: ephron was happily married to screen writer nicholas pileggi for 25 years. aging was a subject she didn't like, but spent much of her time in recent years contemplating. when she wrote and directed the film "julie and julia" about tv chef julia child and a young admirer, this is what struck her. >> and julia seemed so ageless, really. she didn't become julia childs until she was 50 years old.

>> reporter: she could joke in print about getting old. about her sagging neck, her fading memory. how very nora ephron this line near the end of her last book. i try to say to myself, if this is one of the last days of my life, am i doing exactly what i want to be doing? i aim low. for "cbs this morning," i'm martha tyeshaner, new york. >> over the last few years, nora ephron wrote nearly 100 blog entries for "the huffington post" at the invitation of her long-time friend, arianna huffington. arianna is here now in studio 57. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. >> we come here to think about a friend. when i think about you and her and the beginning of "huffington post," she gave you credibility, because she was one of the people who was prepared to blog. >> well, especially when she gave me carrots -- a lot of my friends, people who loved me,

said don't do it. why do you need this? it's not going to work. she said do it. i'm here for you. and she blogged. the day that it was announced -- do you remember -- everybody wanted her to go on. everybody, everybody show, "new york times," and she blogged for "the huffington post" which was barely one month old. and that gave us huge credibility. and then she would call me up and say, i saw steve martin last night and i convinced him to blog. and then after steve martin blogged, she would watch the comments to make sure nothing offensive was said. and she became an editor at large and you had that great passage about divorce. and one day i was staying with her in long island, and she said to me in the morning, you know, we need to launch a divorce section, because marriage comes and goes, but divorce is forever. and we did. and she got involved every step of the way. >> she once wrote for "fortune"

magazine ten things to do. and one of them was marry a man who was unhappily married to his first wife for 17 years. >> well, you know, she was full of amazing one-liners. and her passion for food also became one-liners. when she said i respect a vegetarian but could never fall in love with one. and she was always judgmental of my egg white omelette. come on, arianna, you know they're tasteless. >> the thing, too, you can't think of nora without thinking about nick pileggi. they became such a wonderful couple. >> i know. and he was so strong, and yet so constantly caring for her. and, you know, neither of them believed in life after death. many conversations about it, as you know, i do believe, and i -- i constantly would argue with her. and one day she even said, you know what, you believe in incarnation. i'm not sure if i want to be

cremated or buried. maybe with cremateded -- i have chances of being rein car rated. >> to know her is to know she is funny and witty. >> one of the things you wrote, you put on "huffington post" last night, she was also so good, not just at writing, but at friendship. what kind of a friend was she? give us an idea. >> well, let me just tell you one of the last times i saw her was when rita had taken up singing. and nora called and said let's all gather afterwards and celebrate at this chinese restaurant down the corner. she was always celebrating her friends. you know, she takes up singing, i'm over 50 and i take up blogging. she was there for you. and she wrote when her closest friend julie died. she wrote that it was friends after a certain age are irreplaceable. she said if you're 30, you have a lot of friends. you make new friends, you share

friends. but after a certain age, you can't replace your friends. and that's really what so many of us are feeling about her today. >> if you were having a dinner party, your first thought was can we get nora to come. >> yes. and can we get nora to cook. she was also -- the most amazing cook. and she actually cooked for all of her dinner parties. every single thing. or she found a great cake somewhere she would then introduce to all her friends. when we would go on vacation, she discovered not just the restaurants, but the special sauce on that spaghetti that then she would take from the chef and reproduce it. >> now, she said many things, including this. reading is everything. reading makes me feel like i've accomplished something, learned something, become a better person. reading makes me smarter. reading gives me something to talk about later on. reading has unbelievably helped my attention deficit disorder medicaid itself. it's a way to make contact with reality and making things up. and it's a way of making contact with someone else's imagination after a day that's all too real.

reading is grist. reading is bliss. all of that from the late nora ephron. >> arianna, thanks. >> thank you. still to come on "cbs this morning," there is a new study out this morning, which shows why it may be so tough to not only lose the weight, but keep it off. boils down to the fact that calories are not all created equal. that's ahead.

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new data shows the entire adult population is nearly 17 million tons overweight. >> guess who is not just pulling their weight, but cramming it into a pair of stretch pants? the united states of america! [ cheers and applause ] >> according to the report, although only 6% of the global population live in america, we are responsible for more than a third of its obesity. what does that mean? who knows? because we're already 27th in math. >> oh, those two don't go well

together, do they? everyone knows dieting is tough and even when you do lose the weight, keeping it off over the long term can be almost more difficult. >> a new study has found a possible explanation. all calories are not created equal. dr. david lug wig of children's hospital led the study. good morning, doctor. >> good morning. and nice to be with you, charlie. >> thank you so much. all calories are not alike. what does that mean? >> well, by way of background, we know that many people can lose weight for a few weeks or months. but most have difficulty maintaining weight loss over the long term. so to examine the situation, we fed 21 obese young adults low-calorie diets to bring their weight down by about 30 pounds. and then studied them for a month at a time, on each of three popular diets. low-fat at one end of the spectrum, low-carb or atkins at the other end of the spectrum, and a low glycemic diet in the middle, a diet with low amounts

of protein, fat and carbohydrates, but keep blood sugar stable. and we found that the subjects burned about 350 calories more a day on the low-carb than on the low-fat diet. that's about an hour of moderate physical activity in effect without lifting a finger. we also found that they burned 150 calories more on the low glycemic diet. we also looked at heart disease risk factors and found the low-fat diet had the worst effects. but the atkins low-carb diet had problems too, it increased stress and chronic inflammation. so from a metabolic perspective, all calories are not along. and for the best long-term outcomes, avoid restricting any major nutrients, either fat or carb rate and focus on white bread, white rice and sugary

foods. >> so everything in moderation, more healthy than not healthy. >> well not exactly. not exactly everything in moderation. our findings suggest that actually trying to restrict either carbs or fat is not the best way there. and instead to focus on the quality of the fats and the quality of the carbs. >> and that's where the low glycemic comes in. for people not familiar with that, give us a quick description of what that means. >> sure. well, you know, the traditional carbohydrates we've eaten for years, like stone cut oats, these traditional carbohydrates they slowly raise blood sugar slowly. so there isn't the same surge and crash. but all of the refined carbs that invaded our diets with the low-fat craze seems to lead to metabolic changes not only making us hungrier, but causing metabolism to fall. and that combination is a recipe

for weight gain. >> okay. so if you're starting out today and you want to lose weight smartly, what do you do? >> well, don't have the white bagel with fat-free cream cheese. that's going to lead to a surge in blood sugar for a while, but by 10:30 in the morning, you'll be starving and perhaps suffering a fall in metabolic rate. instead have steel-cut oats with a handful of roasted nuts and a -- some fruit on top. and no reason to eat fat-free yogurt for breakfast. okay to have either 2% or full-fat yogurt, at least according to our findings. >> and eggs? >> eggs are fine. if you want to make an omelette, maybe throw away -- make -- use three eggs and throw away one yolk to just avoid getting too much cholesterol. and be sure to put some vegetables in had it. and have some fruit on the side. >> dr. ludwig, thanks for being with us this morning. >> my pleasure. time for

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gayle is in the control room with a look at our next hour. gayle. >> hello, charlie, we're spending the 8:00 hour talking to and about people who have impacted pop culture with their work. first up, film maker tyler perry who rose from a tough childhood to single handedly to building an empire. and aaron sorkin live in studio 57, because he's got some strong opinions on the news business that are loud and clear in his new hbo series "the newsroom."

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another cleveland question. how -- [ laughter ] there's no way to know this. but what would it feel like if you were still in cleveland and won the championship there? would it have been better, or would this one be better? >> i think the feeling that i had on thursday, i could have been on mars. >> right. >> the championship was so amazing. it was better than what i expected. >> yeah. well, it's -- >> you never know where david letterman is going. certainly feels like king james, go lebron. 8:00, welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king. >> i'm charlie rose with erica hill. we told you yesterday how orbitz, online travel agency

suggesting more expensive options to mac computer users. you're not alone. >> every company in america is tracking everything we do online. rebecca jarvis looked into the phenomenon and is here to tell us more about what she found. good morning. what exactly do they know? everything. >> they know everything. and what's really interesting, and i think a lot of people it doesn't come as a surprise, that every company knows what you're doing online. but how you're getting online. whether you're using a mac or pc in general. and i've spoken to people inside the industry about this. for ten years now, they have been able to track when you're accessing online through a mac or pc, and if you're on a mac, online, they think you're the kind of customer who is going to spend more money, so you will see higher-end advertisements in the corners, in the margins, of your computer when they pop up on the internet. >> there's something about this that's scary. >> that's right. >> 1984, or or wellian. they're collecting this data

through a software service called hadupe, it was created by engineers at google, facebook and yahoo! as well as oracle to collect every bit of data that exists out in the internet. that you put out there. and every single company is using it. all of the big guys from amazon to ebay to apple. they are all using this data set. >> so they can tell the computer i'm using. >> yeah. >> can they tell where i'm using it, like if i'm at work? >> 100%. >> do they know what i'm wearing? >> they might. i don't know. they look at you more closely than your mothers do. the reality is, they know where you're accessing the internet from. >> how? >> they know if you have a high-speed connection. >> how? >> because this data service, hadupe that allows them to see so many minute pieces of information who you are. high-speed internet connection, what does this tell retailers who you are? it tells them you are willing to spend more money on a high-speed

internet connection, so you have more money as a consumer. also, many of them take away from that, you might have a job. because you're accessing potentially the internet from work. and here's a really interesting thing. i was talking to a guy who has been in the industry for ten years yesterday. and let's say you go to cbsnews.com at 5:00 p.m. from your computer. on the internet, retailers know you're accessing the internet from new york here in the office. you're accessing it from work. and they can tell how many times -- let's say i clicked on macy's.com four times in a day. they can tell already -- they alreay know, at 5:00 p.m., that i've clicked on macy's.com four times. and at 5:00 p.m., all of a sudden, macy's is saying, you know what, i really want to collect rebecca's income today. i would love to see her make a purchase here. they can make a decision based off all of that data set to send out an e-mail or to send out a notice, a pop-up ad on my computer that says, rebecca, if you go to macy's.com before

midnight, we will send you something with free shipping. because they know already i'm an interested consumer. they want to collect me before i go home from work. and they know that i'm accessing the website from work. >> all of this has a bit of common sense to it. it's almost like your area code will tell something about -- your area code or in fact your zip code will tell you something about the neighborhood you live in. >> 100%. and location, you also bring up this point about location, charlie. location is important here too. because for example, it's cold and you're in a cold weather location. cruise lines, for example, the minute you're accessing the internet from, let's say, the northeast. temperatures drop below zero. cruise lines will literally send out an e-mail, or send you a pop-up ad at that very moment in time when, of course, you want to go on a warm had been weather vacation. they know everything. >> the question is also. if they can do all this, what else can they do? >> well, they -- the future is wide open. and ask i mean, that is the growth story when you look at

google and you look at facebook, and you look at amazon and you look at ebay. all of these internet companies, what can they do with this information is 100% what they are trying to do. now -- >> what if i don't want them to have that information? >> right. is there a way to stop them? right now, there's not. but this is the future. i mean, this is when you think about what kind of lawsuits and where the direction of things could be heading as consumers become more and more aware of this, consumers could certainly at some point put their foot down. the question is, where is the precedent? we don't really have a precedent, and people are -- obviously, when you go online, you're making that choice. you don't have to go online. they probably will make that argument. you don't have to go online. you could choose to completely disconnect from society. so it is -- it's our own free will that drives this, as well. >> right. maybe there's some smart kid just graduating from college who is going to figure out how he can opt out of this. we will

tyler perry has something in common with his alter ego, ma dea. they are larger than life characters loved by millions. this morning, the self-made -- look at that smile. entertainment mogul. tyler perry is here in studio 57. we'll be right back with tyler at the table. uçu

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needham family, this is my father joe. i'm sure the agents told you, but i want to reiterate, you can't have any contact with anyone from your past as long as you're here. >> this is crazy! you suck.

>> it's just -- she said he sucked? what generation is this? >> get the hell out of here. >> this is only until the trial is over. isn't that right, brian? >> yes, just until the trial is over. >> i hate you. >> girl said she hate -- oh, lord, somebody is going to have to help me. god help me, god help me! >> a triple dose of tyler perry from "ma dea's witness protection". >> i don't know how he dos it. >> he dos it well. >> i dos it well. >> that is madea's speech, so popular along with the television show, "house of payne," this is my favorite part, named writer, actor, producer, highest paid man in entertainment, how are you doing, tyler perry? >> how are you doing? >> we are good. >> why is that your favorite

part? because it suggests anybody who can do this and make all this money has to have something special. >> you know why it's my favorite part? because when you look at tyler's background to grow up the way he did, without a lot of money -- >> anything, yeah. >> okay. without a lot of anything. >> and some down side, too. >> to now be named -- what does money mean to you, tyler shall as you sit here today, june 2012? what does it mean? >> it means i can pay a lot of people to keep working. for me, there are so many people working at tyler perry studios, so many people involved in these films, i get an opportunity to wok more and have more people working. >> i get that, but as a kid who had nothing, to grow up and have this, where you can fly and do whatever you want. that's what i mean, personally what it means. i think it's great you've employed all these people. i get that. but what does it mean -- >> i had one prayer when i started and that was i wanted to do well enough to take care of my mother so from the time i prayed that prayer until she died two years ago, i was able to do that. because of people like -- who have been supporting me all over the world, and, you know, it's

been fantastic. that's what it means for me, i can do for people the things i want to do, the people i love and care about. sure. >> madea has been very, very good to you. >> yes, she has. yes she has, charlie. praise the lord. >> halleluyer. >> i love her. >> i do too, charlie. i do too. >> she has money in the bank. >> yeah, well -- not always. i just want to -- i never, ever take it for granted. you know, i just want -- >> you don't take her for granted? >> are you kidding me? i don't think people are going to come just to come. no. i want to make sure i give them a good movie and this is a great one and i think they're going to love it. >> you actually see a audience's relationship to her. >> she crosses all cultures. this madea, this character, who is a grandmother who just says what's on her mind, she is not politically correct. everybody has that kind of grandmother. and that is what people miss. and i think that's why this whole franchise has been so successful.

>> is there anything you think you can't do? >> oh absolutely. >> opera, broadway play? >> there are lots of things i can't do. but as madea, i can do anything. she can say and cover she wants to say and do. >> you're right. everybody has somebody like that in their family. what was interesting at the screening the other day, at the premier the other day, people sitting around tyler perry said you know who enjoyed the tyler perry movie? tyler perry. you were laughing and cracking up like you were seeing it for the first time. >> yeah. >> i wonder how -- and you knew exactly what's going to happen, tyler. >> you know what it is, it's seeing it with the experience in the audience, and the audience was howling. they were having such a great time in the room, that makes me enjoy it more. so going through all of the costumes and the prosthetics and all of the hours and hours of makeup is worth it, once it's all done and i can get in the room and enjoy it with the audience. >> talk about the premise, for people who haven't seen it. >> i was having dinner with a friend, and they said to me, you know what the greatest punishment for bernie madoff

would have been, if he had to move in with madea, and i said that's it, that's a movie i have to write. and i said who can play this kind of bernie madoff type character and i thought eugene levy who is brilliantly funny, and roberts, coldic genius, a fantastic cast. >> what are you doing. are you doing some kind of nationwide talent search? >> i am right now. i'm working on a -- there are so many people who want to break into the business. and i love the underdog. i'm always for the person who can't get a shot. that's like the cast of "house of payne." they're full of underdogs, been in hollywood for years and couldn't get work. i'm doing a talent search on youtube, talent site, we'll check it out and vote on the top ten and somebody is going to get a walk-on role in the movie. >> so what's the best way -- say i had had some talent, and i'm not talking about myself, other than going on youtube, do you like it if people approach you on the street? because i've seen people come up

to you. do you like people to do that. >> you know what, i appreciate -- here's what i've learned being in this business. if you don't want to be bothered, stay in the house. so make sure you have a really nice house with nice rooms that you can go from room to room. so when i go out, i don't mind it at all. or when i go down to the bahamas, i don't like that at all. like taking you down to the bahamas, who gayle does not like flying on small planes. >> no. >> so i had to get this in there, right? >> are no, you didn't. >> wait, wait, wait -- what kind of plane did you get gayle to fly to the bahamas? >> we flew to nassau, and then you have to take a small plane from nassau. >> it's a seaplane. >> it's a little beaver seaplane and she and oprah don't like single-engine planes and i had both of them on the plane and you just have to see the picture of both of them. look at that picture. >> or american airlines, united, it doesn't have to be private. >> oprah is squeezing the blood out of my hand. look at the look in her eyes. it's crazy. 15-minute flight. >> and look at the smirk on your face. >> the smirk on my face, lord, why did i do this?

>> i like charlie's question to you, is there anything you can't do. because i was thinking about the alex cross movie coming up, that, you know, for the first time -- well, not the first time, but you're not directing, tyler. you're not calling the shots. is that hard for you, because those who work for you say you have firm ideas about what you want and how you want it done. >> the greatest part -- that was a vacation for me. the most difficult part of that was having eight to ten hours of downtime, sitting in the trailer waiting for the next set-up. that was a nightmare for me. but other than that, i enjoyed it. and the trailer just came out for it, and the movie is phenomenal. >> how did tyler perry do in the movie? >> if i had to judge him, i think madea would say he did real good. >> didn't morgan freeman do something? >> he did the first two. it's running and jumping and flipping and stunts i did in this thing. i kind of think morgan would have said you take this one. >> you made national news with the fire at tyler perry studios. >> yeah. >> is everything okay?

do we know how the fire started because the flames looked scary. >> if you -- looking at it on the news, you thought everything was gone. >> yeah. >> but it was the facade. it was the back lot. because everything is on camera, the entire fire when it started, how it happened, it was all filmed through security cameras. so we know it wasn't foul play. and it was just the facades. none of the buildings are -- >> continued success. great to have you here. >> thank you very much. >> i think it's going to do very well. >> i sure hope so. >> what would madea say? >> i hope so. "witness protection" opens in theatres this friday. we'll be back on "cbs this morning."

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from yankee stadium last night. yankees' left fielder duane weise appeared to catch a foul ball, which carried him into the seats. ow. the umpire called it out, but he dropped the ball as he fell over the wall, kept his glove closed. the ump was fooled. on the replay you see a fan holding the ball. he was so angry, went out to argue, ended up getting thrown out of the game. yankees went on to win 6-4. welcome back to "cbs this morning." >> umpires are not always right. >> that may be the moral here. >> i think so. >> i think he knew he dropped that ball. aaron sorkin may be the only screen writer to break his nose on the job. that's because he acts out all of the parts when he's writing shows like "the newsroom." he'll tell us all about that this morning. he's joining us at the table

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♪ hello, chicago. welcome back to "cbs this morning" from "the west wing" to "the social network" to "a few good men" aaron sorkin's characters have been speaking in their special voices for more than two decades. wow. >> you may be mistaken in your monthly meeting of the ignorant

tight-ass club. in this building, when the president stands, nobody sits. >> walk with me. >> okay. >> no closer to hits on the question. >> we're going to meet a lot of smell. >> that could be a problem. >> where are you going? where are you going? >> i was following you. >> i was following you. >> you're watching "sports night" stick around. >> how are my conversations anal retentive? >> let me answer that question with four parts with the fourth part first and the first part last. >> i'm running for president. >> my name is andrew shepard and i am running for president. >> tell me more. >> you want answers! >> i want the truth! >> you can't handle the truth! >> you guys were the inventors of facebook, you would have invented facebook. >> you ask me if i have a god complex? let me tell you something. i am god. >> if we try to play like the yankees in here, we will lose to the yankees out there. >> how do we tell them what we know if we don't know? >> we don't know anything, so

that shouldn't be hard. >> you ain't thomas jefferson. >> are we clear? >> yes, sir. >> are we clear? >> crystal. >> that last clip is from "the newsroom." the hbo series from this oscar and emmy-winning screen writer and playwright, pleased to have aaron sorkin here in studio 57. welcome. >> good to be here. >> tell me about "the newsroom," what did you set out to do other than produce for hbo an entertaining series? >> what i set out to do was to do his girl friday against the ba backdrop of real-world events. i love those howard hawks movies, where everybody is talking fast. i love newsroom-type stories. but i wanted to set it in a real world. i wanted to set it against a backdrop of real events. so our show takes place in the very recent past. all the news is real. >> okay. so it's a romantic comedy. what are you saying about the news? >> it is a romantic comedy.

and it even treats the news romantically and idealistically. these guys are on a quick mission to do the news well. it's a doomed mission. but you know, we're seeing a group of underdogs try as hard as they can. >> are you speaking, aaron, about how aaron sorkin feels? because some of the speeches sort of blew me away when i was watching it. or is this just a good script for you? your writing is so iconic. >> you know, i'm really a story-teller. you showed a clip in the package of "moneyball," the brad pitt clip. that was a movie based on michael lewis' book and when he wrote the book and i wrote a movie, we were writing about a guy trying to change baseball. neither michael or i were trying to change baseball, just telling the story. i wouldn't presume to try to change news, but it's fun to tell stories about people trying to change anything. >> there is a link though between money game and the

story. you have to follow your own instincts if you really want to succeed. >> yeah. well, i think that's a good idea. and i -- you know, from time to time get a chance to speak to younger writers, to speak to students, and they always want advice and what i'll tell them is write like yourself. don't try to write like somebody else. >> we have a clip from "the newsroom." do you mind if we show? >> i would love it. >> this is from the second episo episode, aaron sorkin. >> we should open with the spill. >> done. >> we'll open with the spill? >> no, but you think we should. >> the spill is all anyone is talking about. >> we're the ones telling them to. we're still reporting on it. it's not at the top. >> i'm looking at film of an oil rig sinking into the ocean much that's pretty good television. >> we don't do good twugs television. we do the news. >> david carr wrote a column. you read that column, didn't you? >> i did. >> and david carr basically says that it was almost like an open letter to cnn. >> yeah. >> on the one hand, you have msn msnbc, on the other hand, you have fox. why don't you go and just do the news? >> i think david carr has won a

lot of friends at cnn. >> they're not inviting you any time soon. >> do you think that's good advice for cnn? you supposedly know something about cable news. >> i don't know anything about cable news. i know as little about cable news -- >> i thought it was about cable news. >> it is about cable news. >> but you know nothing about cable news? >> "moneyball" example, you would not want me as general manager of your baseball team. what these guys are doing i think would work very well in a fictional world, just as the bartlett administration on the "the west wing," that was a democratic administration that got stuff done. so i like to write in a tightened reality. >> so "the newsroom" only works in a fictional environment. >> i think that "the newsroom," it kind of looks and feels real and it sort of is almost within our grasp. and that's what makes it aspirational. >> so you are saying to an executive producer who wants to

do the news when producers come and say, that's not what they want -- here to deliver ratings, not content, so let's get on with delivering ratings. >> i wouldn't do that. because i think that news shows should be exempt from having to deliver ratings. in the old days -- >> should be exempt? >> yeah, in the old days, there was a firewall at networks between the entertainment division and the news division. >> that's right. >> and it was green acres and petticoat junction, gilligan's island, those were the shows you made a profit from. and the news delicious, they were supposed to be loss leaders, that was a public service and you weren't expected to make money. >> this is from new york and a piece you weren't thrilled by. >> yes? >> the sorkin-found lightning-wick repetitive and culturally elousive banter that tornadoes into a spiral of stagey, one-upmanship. do you hear it in your head. is that aaron sorkin? >> it's -- it certainly is aaron

sorkin to that critic. it's not really my place to review the reviewer. >> i'm asking about you and how you write. >> yeah, i do hear it that way in my head. i act out all of the parts as i'm doing it. i even -- you said in your tease, i broke my nose writing a scene from the show. >> aaron, how do you break your nose? i'm just curious. what are you flailing around the room? i'm trying to figure out how that would happen. >> are you mocking me? >> no, i would never mock you, mr. sorkin. i'm trying to figure out how you broke your nose. >> are you calling me uncoordinated, unathletic? >> she's not on cue. >> not to your face. >> yes, there's a scene in this sunday's episode, you'll see, where jeff daniels' character is about to blow a gasket. he does a classic comedy jackie gleason move, where he lunges at a character and someone holds him back. and i was acting out that scene.

i got very excited. i'm very physical when i write, jump up and down from the computer. and i was facing a mirror, but there was no one to hold me back so i just put my face in the mirror. >> i want to say this before you leave. you are one of the best screen writers there is, and most people give you that credit. >> thank you, charlie. >> we just lost one of them. nora ephron. >> we sure did. >> put this in the perspective of the talent of screen writing. >> i want to say i knew nora personally and a nicer, more generous woman, you're not likely to meet. she was always very kind to me. and by the way, was one of the people who got up very early -- people who read "the newsroom" pilot and called hbo and said yes, do this. but she wrote romantic comedy in a style we don't see much anymore. she really -- her spirit was in

romantic comedy. she loved it so much. she loved film so much. there were a lot of things she loved very much, from food to films. and it's terribly sad she is gone. we have her movies to keep us going. >> thank you. >> thanks very much. >> may i just say, you look good aaron sorkin. your hair is heiglighter. your hair is -- are you in love? i want to know, are you in love? >> i am in love. her last name is sorkin, she is 11 years old. >> fair enough.

you're saying i'm having sex with these men outmy knowledge? >> no, same saying they all want to have sex with you. >> they do not. >> they do. >> they do not. >> do too.

>> how do you know? >> because no man can be friends with a woman he finds attractive. he always wants to have sex with her. >> so you're saying that a man can be friends with a woman he finds unattractive. >> no, you pretty much want to nail them too. all-time favorite movie. nora ephron wrote some rather memorable scenes during her long career and was also a pretty interesting talker as our own charlie rose knows. >> when you are actually going to have your last meal, you either will be too sick to have it, or you aren't going to know it's your last meal, and you could squander it on something like a tuna melt. >> we will show you some of their most memorable interviews when we come back. you're watching "cbs this morning." ♪ i wandered around and finally found the somebody who ♪

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makeup if you did it. that would be a big incentive for me. >> do you think about aging? do you think about much -- about how you look and how old you are and -- >> i think a lot about -- >> is vanity deep inside of you? >> yes. but i think a lot about what i want to do with the finite. and i'm very conscious of that word. number of years available to me. because you get to be a certain point, and you cannot -- you cannot behave as if -- as if the next year of your life at the age of 65 is the same as the next year of your life as 42. >> other than memories, anything else wrong with getting older? >> other than anything else wrong? >> other than -- >> is there anything right with getting older? >> wisdom? >> oh, wisdom, when you can't remember anything? is not quite there. >> oh, it's not that bad. >> you can't read, you can't see. >> in this is common fodder for you. it's not that bad.

>> i don't know, charlie. i don't think it's better to be older. i don't. >> no, i don't think so either. but i think it doesn't have to be bad. >> no, it doesn't have to be bad. >> and -- >> and you have to but you have to know at some point it will be and sooner rather than later. which is why it's very important to eat your last meal before it actually comes up. >> tell that story as how you came to that conclusion. >> well -- >> oh, i know what it was. your friend. >> my good friend, who was dying. >> could eat a hot dog -- >> she could no longer eat. and she said, i can't even have my last meal. i mean, that's what happens. but to be serious for a moment, as they say in the jokes. when you are actually going to have your last meal, you either will be too sick to have it, or you aren't going to know it's your last meal, and you could squander it on something like a tuna melt. and that would be ironic.

so it's important. we all play these games at dinner with friends where we go around the table and we say this is what i would have for my last meal. and it's -- i feel it's important to have is that last meal -- >> today. >> at least once -- today, tomorrow, soon. >> so what would you have as your last meal? >> my last meal, i -- my last meal, really, is a nate and elle's hot dog. >> of course. what else do you do today? what are the kinds of things you have said? do you do good things? do you say i want to make sure i do some good things before i leave. >> yes, just today i wrote some checks that i felt were good things, because it's the end of the year, and it's time to do things like that. and -- >> call up a friend and say just thinking about you. how are you? >> yes, i sent a friend actually a cookie that i found last week in san francisco that may be the greatest cookie ever invented.

>> this is you, right there. >> there. >> you found a cookie in san francisco. >> yeah. >> you immediately decided this is the greatest one i've ever seen, invented. >> it is. >> and i'm going to buy it and give it -- >> i'm sorry i didn't bring them to you. but i feel -- i don't know about you and cookies. >> no, that's not something i really care a whole lot about. do you think you have more insight into the female psyche or the male psyche? >> oh, i don't know. >> you main line right into what you think motivates people. >> i think i probably know more about women than men. but i do think that some of the things i've written are completely about men and women and how different they are. i mean, when "harry met sally" is not a woman about whether men and women can be friends. it's about how different men and women are. and so is "sleeplesses in seattle." and so is "you've got mail." >> are you making the sam movie over and over? >> in some ways, the same theme. because it's always about how

differently men react to romance than women. yes, i do think they're -- there are -- >> how do we react differently? >> oh, in every single way. i mean, just the initial argument in -- "when harry met sally" where she actually believes men and women can be friends and he believes men and women can't be friends because you always want to sleep the woman. now, that is just -- that is something i don't think i knew when i started out writing it. but by the time i had had spent weeks and weeks with rob reiner, who directed it, and andy shineman, who was one of the producers of it, i knew that. they told me it over and over again. so i believed it in the end. because it was just clear. >> what do you think will be the first line of your obituary? >> oh, god. i don't know. i do not know. i think about it, though. and i -- and i absolutely think about, you know, things like the importance of eating bread while

you're at my age. because we're all trying so hard to be thin, you know. >> including me. >> we're all trying so hard to be healthy and thin in an era where there is the greatest bread in the world. we have never had bread like this. in america or anywhere else. in new york, in l.a. today, you can get bread that is as good as the bread in paris. and we should not avoid it, because it might not be what we die of, too much bread, you know? >> and certain things you just ought to enjoy. of which bread is one of them. >> seize the day. >> seize the day. >> all that stuff. i'm sorry. >> your passion. >> yeah. >> nora ephron. it is -- it's hard for me, because i so much wanted her to like me. and i so much wanted her to think that i was as interesting as she was. this is what she said. so much stuff she wrote. and i just want to read you what i will miss. my kids, nick, her great

husband. spring, fall, the concept of waffles, bacon, the idea of a walk in the park, the park, shakespeare in the park. the bed, reading in bed, fireworks, the view out the window, twinkle lights and butter. this woman understood what it was to be human. >> yeah. >> like so many people don't. >> yep. >> you know? >> she had a way. she was so brilliant and so witty, charlie, about all things. that's what -- you know, she could make bread sound funny. a tuna fish sound funny. i think it's interesting, you wanted her to like you. >> oh, god. i did, pa because -- i wanted her to think -- i wanted her to like me, because i liked her so much. >> of course. >> if there is one thought about her, one, how wise she was, it is how funny she was. and how she so much made people who were around her come alive and to be -- and reach inside of themselves and to be as authentic and as funny and as witty as she was, of which none of us were. >> yeah. >> so on this day, i remember her, and all of her friends.

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