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good morning. it is friday, june 29, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm erica hill. charlie rose is off today. now, that the health care law has been ruled constitutional, what's next? fallout for president obama and mitt romney. plus reaction from eric cantor. i'm gayle king. that raging colorado wildfire claims its first victim as more than 300 homes burned to the ground. the man who killed trayvon martin returns to court today to ask a judge to set him free. i'm jeff glor. you train for years to make the olympics, then it comes down to a coin toss? that could be the answer for two runners this weekend.
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also oliver stone stops by. we begin with a look at today's eye-opener. your world in 90 seconds. i didn't do this because it was good politics. i did it because i believed it was good for the country. >> the supreme court upholds health care reform as the law of the land. >> chief justice john roberts calling it a tax and deeming that constitutionally kosher. >> j rob, how could you? i trusted you. >> they did a 180 and said -- >> you get a chest x-ray. you get a chest x-ray. everybody -- you get a prostate exam. >> a tragic new turn in the fire zone in colorado springs. at least one person has now dead. >> the fire is now the most destructive in state history destroying 346 homes. >> it's really bad, actually. i have everything in there. >> on this vote, the resolution is agreed to. >> eric holder, the first cabinet member in history in
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contempt of congress. >> the charges unsupported by fact, truly absurd conspiracy theories. >> george zimmerman, the man accused of murdering trayvon martin heads back to court today in florida hoping a judge lets him out of jail again. >> mr. zimmerman does not have any money except that given to him to survive. >> with the first pick in the 2012 nba draft, the new orleans hornets select anthony davis. >> then into the popcorn. >> nice. >> all that -- >> hdtv. it shows every line. you can now tell a person, you can see i'm wearing a wig if you've got hd. >> and all that matters. >> sounds to me like you're fed up and i can get you a deal. if you're fed up -- i can get you a deal with the jets. >> on "cbs this morning." >> friends call me magic mike before sports. i was dancing with --
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before sports. i was dancing with -- [ applause ] captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." one day after the supreme court handed president obama a major legal and political victory by upholding the affordable care act. the key provision goes into effect 18 months from now, when every american who can afford it must be health insurance or face a fine. >> both the president and mitt romney were quick to offer spins as jan crawford report, the court's reasoning gave them plenty of material. jan, good morning. >> good morning jeff, good morning erica. listen, the supreme court in the end upheld the individual mandate, which of course, requires all americans to be insured. that wasn't a complete surprise. a lot of people thought the court would uphold this law. but what was unexpected was the logic, the reasoning that the court used to get there and how that may affect the politics of
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this heated election year. it appeared to be a huge win for the white house. by 5-4 majority, chief justice john roberts upheld the mandate ruling a fine for not buying insurance with essentially a tax and says congress has the authority to tax the american people. but the legal victory may not be a political win. republicans fees on the taxation language arguing obama was just imposing a secret tax. >> obama care raises taxes on the american people by approximately $500 billion. >> what we now have is the biggest tax increase in the history of the world. obama lied to us about that. >> this is about a trillion dollar more tax put on the american people. >> when congress was debating the law, democrats and the president insisted it wasn't a tax increase. >> for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.
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what it's saying is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you. >> but the ruling that the health care law effectively levies a tax isn't a rational the obama administration wants to hear with a bad economy. mr. obama said thursday, he remained focused on implementing the law was it was good policy. >> it should be pretty clear that i didn't do this because it was good politics. i did it because i believed it was good for the country. >> the decision is now firing up the gop base. and mitt romney vowed thursday that he's now the one person who can still stop the law. >> i will act to repeal obama care. >> but romney supported a similar mandate at the state level when he was governor of massachusetts. he says that's different because states have more power on these issues than the federal government. >> now, that's something you can expect democrats to bring up during this election as they're trying to defend the law. but right now, this ruling already is helping republicans.
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yesterday we saw romney and the republican party, they brought in $4.2 million from 42,000 donors. guys, if you're curious, let me talk about this for a minute. if you're curious about the penalty portion of the law. beginning in 2014, families who don't have health insurance, will be charged a $285 penalty. that penalty will increase to $975 in 2015 and in 2016, 2,085 or 2.5% of your income, whatever is greater is going to be the penalty then. so this penalty, it is not insignificant. it's expected to affect about 4 million people every year. jeff, erica? >> jan crawford, thank you. house republicans scheduled a vote in two weeks attempting to repeal the health care law. house democratic leader, nancy pelosi says they can try. >> well, it gives us a better opportunity to say what they want to repeal. they want to repeal ending discrimination on the basis of the preexisting medical
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condition. they want to end reducing costs to medicare and care for our seniors. the list goes on and on of what they want to repeal. >> let's hear from the republican side. house majority leader eric cantor is on capitol hill and joins us this morning. good morning. >> good morning, erica. >> the house voted dozens of times to repeal parts or all of this law, which has essentially gone nowhere with a democratic i cannily controlled senate. >> most of the american people don't like the law. that's why we're going to continue to look towards the kind of health care that people want. that is patient centered health care. not dictated by washington which is what obama care delivers. we're going to bring up a repeal vote on wednesday, july 11th, to make sure that we continue to focus on what it is that the american people want. i mean, you know, look, the choice is very clear. if you step back for a second, it's all about this election and
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whether this law is going to go forward or not. if mitt romney gets elected, which as you know i support, mitt romney will be the one that will frankly, get the health care that most people want back on track. we want to see -- we want to see people who like their health care, keep it. and you know, the president has been all about that, too. he's always said that, if you have health care and you like it, you can keep it. the fact is, this law will not allow people to keep the health care they like, costs are going up. and frankly, washington is now going to take control of people's health care in this country, which is what we don't want to see happen. >> if this is going to be more of a platform for mitt romney going forward, will we start to hear specifics from him beyond simply repealing the affordable care act? >> i think you've heard specifics from mitt romney and certainly from us in the house. the kind of health care we want starts with a relationship between patients and their doctors. we don't want washington bureaucrats telling patients what kind of health care they should have and what they can't. i mean, the fact is, we need
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more choice. we need people to be able to choose the kind of benefits that they want and frankly, to base it on the needs of their family, not some dreamed up world here in washington. >> that said, congressman, as you know well, the mandate was initially conservative idea. do you see yourself supporting a mandate under any circumstances? >> i do not support washington requiring someone to purchase health care and then telling someone what kind of health care coverage that's going to be, which is exactly what this obama care bill is. in addition to that, we've heard the court now determine once and for all that this is a tax. you know, what's interesting is there are promises made throughout the process by this president, nancy pelosi and others, saying oh, no, we're not going to tax people. well, the court said this is a tax. they also said, well, you'll be able to keep the health care you like under our program which we know is not the case as well. really, it's time for us to stop
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all the unbroken promises, let's get back to what people want. what people want is patient centered care. they don't want government continuing to creep into these very personal decisions for the american family. >> congress cantore, thank you very much. >> thank you. chief justice roberts is considered a conservative and many observers were surprised to see him siding with the court's liberals in this decision. >> however, laurence tribe, harvard law professor, predicted it would happen. he taught to roberts and to president obama. professor, good morning. nice to have you with us. >> nice to be here. >> what made you so sure that this, in fact, would be the outcome? >> well, i can't say i was sure. and i certainly had no inside track. but it seemed to me that, as a modest guy and someone who did not want the court to shatter an historic piece of legislation even though he didn't like it, john roberts was bound to take a
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step that would ultimately be modest, that would not expand government power despite what eric cantor says, but that would use private industry and that ultimately, as the chief justice made clear he understood in the very first day of the oral argument, didn't literally make anyone do anything. it simply said that if you do not cover yourself and your family with insurance, then you have to pay a higher tax bill than otherwise so that you don't take a free ride on other people and raise other people's premiums. it was a conservative idea that a conservative chief justice could find acceptable as long as there was a basis for it in the constitution. that's where he differed from the four conservatives with whom he often sides. that is, he looked carefully, not just at what this law was called, but at what it did.
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and it quacked like a duck, it looked like a duck, it operated only to increase people's taxes a little bit if they go into the stream of commerce uncovered as it were. and so it was a conservative idea and he at the same time as chief justice of the united states, had a responsibility to prevent the court from falling into increasing disrepute after bush versus gore, after citizens united deeply divided country needs a more united rather than deeply divided and partisan supreme court. >> professor, speaking of the division of the court, as you know, justice kennedy has long been a swing vote. does justice roberts now become the new swing vote on the court? >> well, i think the whole idea of swingers on the court has always been sort of more fun than real. this is the roberts court. it's come into its own finally
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with chief justice roberts in the most important case in decades playing the pivotal role. but that's all appropriate. he is, after all, the chief justice, not just of the court but of the united states of america. >> there's a recent cbs news poll that found 76% of americans think supreme court justices do make their decisions based on politics. does this ruling change that perception? >> well, we'll have to see. i don't have an instant polling device in my pocket. >> do you believe it could? >> i do think this ruling helps. i think it could. i think that it's very important even though there are certainly counter examples when the court seems to be politically driven, like bush versus gore, that on a case that the entire world was watching as closely as this one, that the court showed that it can transcend political preferences. >> laurence tribe, thank you very much. >> thank you. this morning police in colorado springs say one person
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has died in the most destructive wildfire in colorado's history. the body was found last night in a burned out home. one of hundreds of buildings destroyed by that massive fire. anna werner is in colorado springs. good morning. >> good morning, jeff and erica. yes, in addition to that one confirmed fatality, nearly 350 homes have been destroyed here in colorado springs, leaving many residents homeless as the raging fires continue to spread. john sawyer came home from vacation in atlanta only to move into a hotel. he and his family have been out of their home since tuesday. >> it's a lot of stress and hard to sleep well. you're not in your own house and your family is not all together. we're trying to do normal lives but you can't. >> sawyer is one of 32,000 people evacuated as the fire spread. >> hundreds of homes have been destroyed. >> colorado springs mayor, steve
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bach says 346 homes have burned in the fire on 34 streets in the community. sawyer's house is a half mile from the fire line. >> thousands of families or hundreds of families, how are they going to find places to live, continue their work, how are the schools function? there's a lot of kbes ahead. >> many of those families attended a meeting thursday night so officials could answer some of the questions. firefighters were helped thursday by good weather and calm winds. but the fire was still just 10% controlled. >> if you were to describe this fire as having a personality, what would it be? >> obnoxious. i think it would say it has an obnoxious personality and i don't like it. the first day the fire ran south, the second day the fire ran north. the third day it ran east. that's really unusual and very difficult to deal with. >> an army put its soldiers to work building a fire break as helicopters conducted water drops overhead.
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>> we're the second line of defense and we're trying to make sure that if the fire does get in any further, that we're able to stop it in its tracks. that's what we've done. we've put in about 13 kilometers of fire break today. >> they have john sawyer's thanks. >> i appreciate no end all the efforts they're making to save our homes. >> now, the weather is expected to cooperate again today with cooler temperatures and lighter winds. so hopefully that will help firefighters in their quest to put this fire out or at least limit it. but with the fire only 10% contained, it wouldn't take much to kick it back up. back to you, jeff and erica in new york. >> anna, thank you. attorney general eric holder is the first cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of congress. more than 100 democrats boycotted thursday's house vote as african-american lawmakers led a walkout. republicans ask him to hand over all dock ults related to the fast and furious gun tracking operation first exposed by cbs
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news. holder said the vote was nothing more than election year politics. >> today's vote may make for good political theater in the minds of some, but it is at base, both a crass effort and a grave disservice to the american people. they expect and they deserve far more. >> the contempt citation is not expected to pass in the senate, which is controlled by democrats. time for a look now at some of the headlines around the globe. we begin in britain where the telegraph reports germany agreed to a eurozone bailout deal this morning following a threat from italy and spain. germany gave up on its demand for top economic reform in belgium. usa today reports that a lifeguard shortage could force some cities to close beaches and pools. more teens are going to classes during the summer to get ready for college instead of taking a job. >> the wall street journal says shares of research in motion plunged 15% after it's said the next generation blackberry won't
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be ready until next year. the company also plans to cut as many as 5,000 jobs. britain's guardian has a story of rafael nadal's wimbledon upset. the champion was beaten yesterday by a man from the czech republic. ranked number 100 in the world. >> ouch. how much do you love your smartphone? the l.a. times reports 59% of people in a new survey would reach into the toilet to retrieve their phone. 63% said they'd go through the garbage. it is 7:18. >> haven't done it. >> haven't done it yet,
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this national weather report sponsored by big lots. big savings. one month ago, a judge ordered george zimmerman back to jail saying he lied in court about how much money he had. now, trayvon martin's killer is asking for bail again. >> mr. zimmerman does not have any money except what's being
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given to him to survive by the legal defense fund. >> we look ahead to the court hearing which may include an apology. should a place in the olympic games be decided by the toss of a coin? we'll look at the history of coin flips with a lot on the line. on "cbs this morning." this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by mercedes-be mercedes-benz. one that continually monitors and corrects for wheel slip. we imagined a vehicle that can increase emergency braking power when you need it most.
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cnn, they went -- seven full minutes of unconstitutional mandate hyperventilation. >> the court striking down that mandate is a dramatic blow to the policy and to the president. >> getting widely different assessments of what the united states supreme court has decided. >> yes, widely different. there's what you've been saying and then there's what happened. [ laughter ] >> rough day. >> jumping the gun. >> the man charged with murdering trayvon martin is making another bid for flee come. george zimmerman has a bond hearing today after a judge you may recall revoked his bail earlier this month. >> what are the chances he'll be released and will he apologize to the judge? we'll ask our legal expert, there he is, jack ford, on "cbs this morning." your local news is next. kids, do you know what it is that makes this country great?
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indeed if there was a scheme, people would get punished. if there's not, let's exonerate these men. at this point, it seems like a smear campaign. we're dragging them through the mud. no, it's not something that was affecting, i think, our success. >> sounds to me like you're fed up and i can get you a deal with the jets. if you're fed up, i can get you a deal with the jets. you don't need -- >> they have enough quarterbacks. >> that's right. what can one more hurt for god's sakes. >> football season is going to be here before you know it. >> are you excited, jeff? >> i love it. >> your bills. >> right now they're undefeated. >> they are. welcome back to "cbs this morning." the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot and killed trayvon martin is due back in court this morning.
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george zimmerman will ask a florida judge to release him on bail again. mark strassmann is at the courthouse in sanford, florida. mark, do good morning. >> good morning, jeff. you'll remember in april, george zimmerman surprised the court, took the stand and apologized to trayvon martin's parents. today everyone will be watching to see whether he takes the stand again this time to apologize to the judge. >> george zimmerman will walk into this morning's hearing wearing civilian clothes, not his jail jumpsuit and no shackles. he will look like a free man. but only judge kenneth lester can make him one. you put zimmerman back in jail because he felt a murder defendant and his wife intentionally misled him to get a reduced bond in april. >> they did not tell the court about the legal defense fund that existed. we're not hiding from that fact. they should have trusted the court. >> at that april bond hearing, the judge felt misled by zimmerman's silence. his wife testified by phone under oath that they were broke.
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>> you have no money, is that correct? >> to my knowledge, that's correct. >> zimmerman knew better but said nothing. the couple actually had $155,000 sitting in an online defense fund. in recorded jailhouse phone calls days before that hearing, the couple talked about that money using what prosecutors said was coded language. >> total everything how much do we have here? >> um, like $155. >> okay, good. >> zimmerman's lawyers says his client owes the judge an apology so the crimewatch volunteer could take the stand to give one. the prosecutor wants zimmerman to stay in jail but he could insist on a bond as high as one million dollars which zimmerman's lawyer says would be excessive. >> mr. zimmerman does not have any money except that given to him to survive by the legal defense fund. so he doesn't have any assets. he's got a couple of cars. he doesn't have the money.
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>> george zimmerman's wife shellie is not on today's witness list. but she does face perjury charges at an arraignment next month and jeff and erica, whatever happens this morning, trayvon martin's parents will be in the courtroom watching. >> mark strassmann, thank you. cbs news legal analyst, jack ford, is with us now. so what does george zimmerman need to say, should he say today? >> well, what's interesting about this and a lot of people don't fully understand the notion of bail. bail is not a headstart on sentencing. you got realize that bail, you still have a presumption of innocence and generally speaking, most people are entitled to bail in certain circumstances because the whole point is, to guarantee you show up. that's what bail is really all about. there's sometimes when you're not entitled to bail. in florida on a second degree murder charge like this, you're not as entitled to bail. you've got to convince the judge two things. that you're not a danger to the community and that you're not a flight risk. you're going to show up. i'm sure what you're going to see them argue is flight risk
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first. that's an easy one. he's showed up every time. even when his life was in danger, he showed up. he knew his ticket would get punched and they were going to revoke his bail, he showed up. they can make a good argument there. they've got to get over the danger to the community, you lied to the judge argument. >> it would seem the lying to the judge part is tough to get over. can they get over that? >> what's interesting about it, jeff. if you think about it strictly, does lying to the judge about the money have anything to do with your being a flight risk ordaininger to the community? you can argue, if you're not being truthful, how can we trust you to come back. you have to argue it was a misunderstanding. these funds are usually controlled. usually you can't use these funds for any -- go to weekend in las vegas if you want to. this fund is controlled by his attorney. i think they're going to have to argue that clearly they didn't tell the truth, but they didn't realize exactly what they could use that fund for. i assume that's part of the
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argument. >> it sounded like, though, in this bizarre conversation in jail that they knew they had and they had control of it. >> it does sound like that. certainly, it is i bizarre conversation. but i suspect, again, the defense is going to say. i said this. when you had a client going to jail, you told them two things. you said you don't talk to anybody about your case, i don't care how good a friend they are. don't talk money. >> were violated in that conversation. but that -- at the end of the day, all of this could any of this be used in the actual trial, no, right? >> that's a good question. i suspect you would see the prosecution at some point in time, especially if george zimmerman takes the stand. you have to believe he will because he's using the stand your ground defense. you want to challenge the credibility of any witness, especially a defendant on the stand. my guess is a judge might look at this, you knt -- you can't show they did bad things in the past and say okay, because they did bad things in the past, you should find them guilty of this.
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it's supposed to be about the facts of this case. the prosecution will try to urge that he's on the stand, he lied to the judge before, the jury should know that. bit of a stretch. my guess is a judge might say that's getting us beyond what the jury should be focusing on here. i think it's a good bet that the prosecution will try. >> do you think he's remanded today? >> i think if you look at the law, i think there should be some type of bail that should be set for him. some conditions, maybe home confinement, a bracelet on. under the circumstances, it's hard to say he's a flight risk. you could make a good argument he isn't. you could say he's a danger to the community. something happened here. if they throw him back into jail, you'll see an appeal. i wouldn't be surprised if there's bail conditions et. >> jack, nice to see you at always. thanks. flipping coins more than 2,000 years ago. this morning, we'll show you how a potential coin toss tomorrow could decide whether one sprinter's olympic dream comes
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this is a great video from you-tube. if you want to look it up, it's titled bootleg fireworks gone wrong. that was awesome. that was awesome right there. >> about 30 times. >> i just blew up my neighborhood. >> we used to sneak across the canadian border to buy fireworks. i'm dating myself. >> we had them hidden in the hubcaps of his car to get them across the border. at the u.s. olympic trials, it took just 11 seconds to learn
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who finished first and second in the finals of the women's 100 meter dash. but six days later, we still don't mow who finished third. >> two runners ended up in a dead heat. only one can run at the london olympics. so that photo finish, and one way it might be resolved remains the talk of the sports world. >> it snuck in. it was literally too close to call. not just on camera but in the rules. >> it's hard to believe they wouldn't have had some kind of by law in place to decide this regardless of the fairness of what that law said. >> so usa track and field made up a law. one day after jeneba tarmoh and allyson felix finished tied for third place at the olympic trials, the sports governing body said in the future athletes are given the option to determine by a runoff or a coin toss. a runoff seems to make sense. but if there has to be a flip, there are as you might expect,
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two sides to this debate. >> having it come down to a coin toss, that seems quite unfair. >> a coin toss is an old idea, but it's a simple way to get equal probability of events. >> throughout history, loose pocket change has been the basis of many famous outcomes. northwest oregon, 1845. two men one from boston, one from portland, maine. tossed the portland penny to name a city. that's why today there is no boston, oregon. iowa, 1959, the great musicians buddy holly, ritchie valens and j.p. richardson die in a plane crash. a fourth person in the original group did not after losing a coin toss for the last seat. thanksgiving day, 1998, the pittsburgh steelers and detroit lions tied in overtime. looking for possession, pittsburgh's jerome bettis called heads and then switched to tails while the coin was in the air. >> call it from the air.
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>> it landed tails but the referee went with bettis' first call. detroit went on to win. >> you have players worth millions of dollars, franchises worth hundreds of millions of dollars and the tv rights worth billions of dollars and we hate to see results come down to a hunk of loose change. >> that said, at least we know there's no way a real coin can be rigged. at least we know unexpected results can follow. no matter where the copper comes down. >> the two sprinters who happen to share the same coach, won't make a decision on how to break the tie until they've raced each other again in tomorrow's 200-meter final. we're learned that if one qualifies on saturday, the other will likely concede the 100-meter race and the women will both go to london together which means no coin toss and no runoff. >> if one of them wins the 200, that woman will say okay, then you take the 100. that's very nice. >> which would be nice, right? >> you got more?
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>> the wright brothers. first flight. they flipped a coin to see who would go first. wilbur won that coin toss. that flight was aborted. so orville took the next one and that became the official flight. so the one who won, who lost the coin toss was the one who actually won the real flight. >> how about that. >> glad when you were flipping, see if you were going for charlie, i picked tails by the
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to sleep, a chance to dream. you know that line probably from shakespeare. but what do you think he might write about lucid dreaming and what is it? we'll show you and give you an idea of how you can try it on "cbs this morning." >> quoting shakespeare.
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rack 'em up while they're hot. popcorn at the ballpark. check this out. the boy catches a foul ball in his popcorn tub. happened last night at the padres, astros game. the padres scored six runs to win 7-3. >> the other guy's hands too. >> waiting. tomorrow on "cbs this morning saturday," we'll have incredible footage from the vault. we'll see edward r. murrow visiting the home of humphrey bogart in his person to person. that is tomorrow on "cbs this morning saturday." >> looking forward to that. first, we still have another hour to go. gayle is in the control room with a look at what's ahead. >> you know who is happy we have
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another hour, gayle? >> we are too. >> hello jeff and erica. he's been called tormented and self-destructive, from platoon to wall street to born on the fourth of july, nobody tells a story like oliver stone. he's done it again with "savages." he'll be in studio 57 today. the one thing that eludes americans, i'm talking about sleep. you can sleep better if you can control your dreams. some say that is now possible. it looks like you really can't teach an old dog new tricks. dogg is spelled do-o-g-d-o-g-g. we'll make that long story short when i see you at 8:00 on cbs this morning. remember, you can catch us on facebook, twitter and google plus. happy friday. we'll be right back. you're watching "cbs this morning." this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by party city.
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is this crazy. a man filed a lawsuit against kim kardashian and kanye wis claiming they have ties to al qaeda. when al qaeda heard this, they said please don't lump us in with those maniacs. >> leave them alone. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king. i'm erica hill, jeff glor. charlie rose is taking a well deserved day off. president obama's health care law will directly affect how millions of americans get medical care and how they pay for it. >> with us now is dr. atul gawande. i teaches at the harvard school public health. he was a health policy adviser and an author and an article at the new york.com on why the fight over health care is not over this morning. hello dr. gawande.
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>> hello. glad to be here. >> glad -- you look very serious this morning. you look very serious. >> i'm sorry about that. this is one of those things that doctors do. >> let's talk about the health care. yesterday big, big, big story. how soon before we see any changes for doctors and patients? >> well, we're already seeing some. so for example, the coverage of young adults who have picked up coverage under the age of 26 because they can stay on their family plans. children who are -- have preexisting conditions now can get insurance. the big change isn't until 2014 when people who don't have insurance and are sick will start being able to pick up coverage. >> and what will the impact of that be? you have a perspective on this because you live and practice in massachusetts where then governor mitt romney passed legislation in 2006. so you've seen the waisome of this can play out.
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>> yeah. it was striking. five years ago, 15% of my patients, i'm primarily a cancer surgeon. about 15% of my patients were uninsured. it's been five years. i haven't had an uninsured patient ever since then. it came on as sort of thing where if a patient came in who didn't have insurance, there were subsidized private options or medicaid that they could get. and then we could make sure they could get their treatments for their cancer or for whatever their particular problem was. that kind of problem, you know, we have by the scores. by millions. i called around to doctor friends around the country this week and said, just tell me about someone you're taking care of right now who their lack of insurance is in the way. they told me about -- everything from patient with a chronic rectal infection who for nine months has been unable to get surgery and haven't been able to get treatment for it or cancer patients who haven't been able
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to get therapy. so that change is primarily that it's a couple years away, medicaid would be a way that they could pick up coverage if they were poor and if they were in the working world, a subsidized insurance policy that would be a private insurance plan. >> when you bring up medicaid, the medicaid ruling, as i understand it, allows states the ability to opt out. >> yeah. this is a striking thing. it's a repeat of history in many ways. when medicare and medicaid passed into law in 1965, it was optional for states to participate in medicaid. and nearly every state did jump in and saw it as a beneficial thing that they could get the money to pay for the uninsured. but there were states that held out for more than a decade, including alaska and arizona that were the last ones to come in. we may see something like -- just like that happening. >> so at the time, i understand that that was really the opposition to that was also very
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vehement in 1965. i think people forget that. >> yeah. we remember now medicare is this thing where, yes, there was this battle. when it passed, it went peacefully into existence. the reality was, there was more than a year of huge battle, 10,000 physicians in the ohio state medical association vowed to boycott the taking care of the elderly who have medicare. george wallace led a revolt of southern states that said that they would not participate. and then they did. you know, once the benefits came into place, it was neither as horrible and terrible as everybody attacking it was talking about. it wasn't milk and honey either. but for people who were sick and had problems that have been neglected, this was a huge change. and a huge benefit. >> doctor, very quickly. only have a few seconds left.
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i want to ask you more about the cost. as you know in massachusetts, costs went up significantly after the health reform was passed. i know they have leveled off a bit. but are those costs containable in the future both for massachusetts and the u.s.? >> right. you know, the massachusetts costs went up just like they did in the rest of the country. it was neither worse nor better. that cost problem is part of what we as a medical profession are responsible for. and in this next decade, it's going to be a mix of both government and doctors and hospitals that are going to have to take responsibility for bringing these costs down. it is starting to happen. we're starting to see the curve bend. but we're a long way down that road. >> dr. gawande, thanks for your time
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have you heard about people who say that they can control their dreams? some of them do it just for fun. but this morning, we'll look at people who used lucid dreaming, it's called, to improve their work and health too. that story after the break. stay with us, please. [ female announcer ] fashion or food, it's all about taste.
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now in a dream our mind continuously does this. we create and perceive our world simultaneously and our mind does it so well that we don't even know it's happening. that allows us to get right in the middle of that process. >> how? >> by taking over the creating part. now, this is where i need you. you create the world of the dream. >> well, that was leonardo
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dicaprio in "inception." i was totally confused. it's based on the idea that you can control your dreams. >> i'm still not sure i understand that movie. in our special "healthwatch" series on sleep, seth doane explores how this is actually happening in the real world. pseth, good morning. >> good morning to you, erica. it's called lucid dreaming. to be lucid is to understand or to be aware. so to have a lucid dream is to know you're dreaming and then try to control your dreams. enthusiasts painted it as a world while you're sleeping, you can do whatever you want. really, whatever you dream.& >> what's it like to have a lucid dream? >> it's like you're a child again and there's an infinite possibilities. >> hope lewellen didn't see much use in the art of controlling her dreams until she was 22 and started having terrible nightmares after a freak
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>> hope lewellen is in critical condition after being struck by an airplane taxiing on the runway. >> it was 1989. the one-time mechanic at chicago's o'hare airport had to have her right leg amputated after being run over by a 767. the nightmares started soon after. >> what were you dreaming? >> almost every time the theme was something chasing me, trying to kill me. >> desperately seeking a good night's sleep, lewellen picked up a lucid dreaming how-to book. >> one night, sure enough, it all came together. i had a horrible nightmare. i'm running, running, running. i know something is chasing me. and as i'm running, i was like, oh, wait a minute, i'm dreaming. so i stopped and i turned around and i faced this monster, in thing just came running right to me and i looked it in the eye and i went, bye bye and i jumped up and flew away. >> when we're asleep, our mind
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can do almost anything. >> it sounds like hollywood fantasy. but enthusiasts say it's feasible with a little training. >> those who believe in the possibility of lucid dreaming say that to do it, first you must recognize that you're actually having a dream and certain triggers can help. they say if you regularly glance at your watch while you're awake and then look back to make sure it's still reading the same time, you'll know you're awake. if you make a habit of this and try to look at your watch while dreaming, the numbers may not make sense and that's a trigger to know you're asleep. it's the same idea with the text of a book. what looks normal in real life could be garbled in a dream and lucid dreamers claim that's when you should try to take control. >> there's no way to corroborate this. we just have to believe what you're saying. >> i know. >> but some of it is hard to believe. >> i get that a lot. people are like, come on, what are you talking about, you're just dreaming. if you're an author or selling
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something, yeah, maybe people are thinking you're trying to get something out of it. what gain would i have to tell about my lucid dreaming? i mean, i'm not selling anything. >> but these guys are. >> considerably brighter. >> in a brooklyn, new york, lab for a startup called remee, founders, dreamers, steve mcguigan and duncan frazer showed off a lucid dream indecembering sleep mask. retail price. $95. >> what's the idea behind this mask you've created? >> training yourself to do, looking at clocks, looking at text, counting fingers. this automates it for you. remee produces that kind of anomaly in your dreams. you'll see this kind of really abrupt bright flash and that gives you something to grab on to and check your lucidity as opposed to trying to remember to look at a clock. >> all the virtual dreaming is impossible to prove.
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the fact that they have $700,000 in pre-orders shows there's a community out there with big dreams. lucid dreamers claim that the possibilities include, well, anything you could dream of. have you ever seen the pyramids? well, see them without the jet lag. or how about the eiffel tower? see that without the crowds. or maybe just sit down for a nice dinner with anyone you want. the opportunities are endless. but many who believe in this fantasy world say the thing they like to do most is fly. hope lewellen certainly agrees. >> are there times where you think, i just wish i could fall asleep? >> yeah. sure. it's a nice escape sometimes. sure. >> you know, seth, hope is very convincing about how it helps her. do you see it helping other people, like veterans maybe
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suffering from ptsd. >> that's the real question. she said it helped her with the terrible nightmares she was having and some question whether it has broader applications. you talk with a lot of doctors, they say this is totally crazy and doesn't have any application. probably depends on whether you've had a lucid dream. >> we talk so much about the importance of sleep and getting enough good solid sleep? did this interfere at all with your actual sleep? >> that was my question. you see flashing red lights. how restful could this be? lucid dreamers say when they're asleep, having lucid dreams, it's so satisfying that you wake up feeling very rested. >> you've never had a lucid dream? >> never. i was one of the doubters. >> you didn't try with the tips? >> i should have tried them out. >> i'm still trying to figure it out. i haven't either. thank you, seth. guess who finally left her husband? here's a hint. it happened in gay paris. >> michael douglas calls oliver
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as we looked around the web today, we found a few reasons to make a long story short. dominique strauss-kahn has been dumped by his wife. she stood by her husband when he was accused of assaulting a new york maid. a friend says he's in a bad way. >> the l.a. times reports snoop dogg was busted by a snoopy dog in norway. the rapper was stopped at customs when dogs picked up
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april scent of marijuana. snoop was carrying about 8 grams he was fined $8600 and released. when asked why he was late for an event, he said because i went to get chicken wings. >> they're good. >> at wimbledon, the washington post says serena williams and maria sharapova are talking about equal pay. men play longer matches and men's tennis is more popular he says. sharapova said more people watch her matches than his, which is true. williams said she's way hotter than he is. >> also true. >> also true. by the way, simone lost his second round match. i guess, game, set, match women. >> what is it with french men this morning. >> the huffington post reports on what single ladies want. men with jobs. hear hear. dating service surveyed 925
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single women and 75% said they'd have a problem dating someone without a job. only 4% would go out with an unemployed man. so they say this is great news, guys, for short men who used to be considered the most undateable. i said used to be. >> now they've moved up in the pool. there you go. >> the detroit news looks at how michigan officials are fighting drunk driving this july 4th. they're distributing talking urinal cakes to hundreds of bars and restaurants. gayle and i decided you would like this story this morning. menus the facilities, a motion sensor is triggered an the cake will ask you if you've had too many drinks. i knew you would love this. and whether it may be time, jeff glor, to call a cab. >> i never used to hear. is this a good idea? >> yes. >> awesome. >> you have problems sometimes? >> it would help you. >> i'm kidding. i would use it. >> okay. >> i thought it was a good idea, actually. >> it is smart. >> move on.
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>> from "scarface" to savages, oliver stone confronts social i'll go east coast for the philly cheesesteak omelette.
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look, we can negotiate. >> we didn't make you an offer to hear a counteroffer. >> we made you a deal to which we expected compliance. >> you lied to us. >> we'll do whatever you want. >> you better lose the attitude. you have to prove it. >> that's not a problem. >> really? because it was a problem before. >> it's not now. >> salma hayek was tough. oliver stone's new thriller, savages, tells the story of two california pot dealers who share a girlfriend, yep, they share her. get mixed up with a drug cartel. >> the oscar winning filmmaker has been entertaining and enraging movie fans since the '70s.
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he showed us platoon and born on the fourth of july. oliver stone is in studio 57. nice to have you with us. >> good morning, erica. nice to meet you. >> it's a pretty powerful film. gayle and i went to the screening together and there were a lot of moments i had to turn away because it was violent. it gips you just as the novel does. what was it about savages when you read the book that made you say, this would be a great movie? >> you never know. it was a gripping story like you said. it had twists and turns and it was about a subject that they don't do in movies much. marijuana, legal growing in california. young people are operating on the fringes of the law. they live in a sort of paradise. they get visited by the dark side. which comes in the offer of a partnership with the mexican -- one of the mexican cartels. and it goes awry. things don't work out because one guy wants to negotiate, the other wants to fight. it's a classic. they have a love affair with a
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beautiful girl called blake lively. >> she's great in it. >> people can live together equally and she believes in the jewels and gems of butch cassidy, sundance kid. it's interesting. salma hayek comes in and she's a ruthless. she tells blake that, you know, your love story is screwed up, baby. >> yes. >> for sure. >> you'll see what happens to the love story by the end of the movie. you can't give that away. >> i won't. no, i promise i won't give it away. because it's a wild ride. it takes you on a lot of twists. erica is right, a lot of times i was looking like this. you want to know what's going to happen. when you go to an oliver stone movie, you're not expecting a lighthearted romp. you seem to like the criminal element or the dark side. do you? >> sense of humor too. there are some laughs in the movie. travolta is very funny. del toro is funny too in a dark way.
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>> your signature, oliver, michael douglas said he's a humanitarian with a dark side. do you think you have a dark side? >> yeah, i think so. don't you? >> i really don't think i do. >> really? >> i don't. >> you go to bed every night early and get up at 3:30. where is your dark side? >> i'm very boring. >> you do like drama and the criminal element in your movies. >> i do. i like power. i like people who play those -- that cat and mouse game where people are betraying. all these six people in this movie, every one of them has a story. they take a journey. they change. you know, you never get what you expect. that's true about life in general. blake lively is his beach bunny at the beginning, a little bit stoned. by the time the movie is over, she goes through a trip she's twisted around on all her thoughts. at the end of the movie, we leave you waiting for the sequel i think. >> you've set it up very nicely. >> with salma coming out of jail. >> you're not supposed to give it away. >> i didn't say anything.
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>> blake lively says that oliver stone is like the silent stoic father that you want to crack him. he's fully involved on the set. that's what she said about you. >> that's very sweet. blake is a newcomer. i saw her in the town and small movie called pippa lee. i didn't know her work. she's on gossip girl. >> yes. >> she's extraordinary. she's 23, 24. she has a grace kelly, if you remember, her cool elegance, blond and beautiful. good to the eye. i always try to cast pretty people, good looking people. >> definitely worked on that one. i have to say i'm fascinated by the fact that you did a lot of research for this film. you and don wilson who wrote it, you went to a number of different row houses and convinced a mexican drug lord to let you go hang out. >> let's not get too literal about this. we held out with heavy people. don winslow knows that world because he's written other books about it. savages is a hypothetical fiction insofar as, it could
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happen. but it's a wild ride because he -- i mean, the real story is not yet happened in california. thank god, we don't want that. these cartels are making so much money, they're not concentrating on small businesses like them. but the weed in california is like california wine. it's well-grown and high, high -- very effective. you should try some gayle. >> oliver, oliver, i'm not trying to be cute. because i have never tried it before. >> what? >> honest to god, i have never tried it before. >> clinton who said i didn't smoke -- i didn't inhale. >> i haven't smoked it or inhaled it. you've been open about your drug use and your perspective of it is what? what does it do for you? >> i don't want to run -- in my time of life, i went to vietnam and i was in the field. i was there for a long time. it made the difference between staying human as michael douglas
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said and becoming a beast. i'm telling you, it's rough and a lot of these people in that platoon, used it not in the frontlines but in the back to relax and stay in touch with themselves. i look at it at that time in my life as really much of a lifesaver. i was a good soldier. by the way, i got decorated. >> you were wounded twice. >> i was not awe slouch by any means. a lot of guys were like that. we walked out of there, i think, relatively whole. a lot of guys who were drinking, doing a lot of the killing that i think was unnecessary and raping and all that stuff, burning down villages, guys who did the dope were much more conscious of the value of life. >> got you through. now, oliver stone, i read med tats every day. true that you meditate every day? >> i do. even when i have to come early on a show like this. staying in touch. >> great way to start your day. >> that's how you start your day? >> i try to, yeah. that's not to say everything is
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not always centered. you try to center your thoughts on what's important to your life. >> you've got a teenage daughter that you're nuts about, you're happily married. life seems good. >> that's her job. >> at that age, it's her job. >> savages really takes us on a wild ride. congratulations. >> thank you. >> thanks for being here. savages opens in theaters next friday. just ahead, it is a happy birthday for the iphone. the first one was sold in the u.s. five years ago today. this morning, we look at how it's changed our lives and how the iphone itself keeps
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call me maybe. colin powell's favorite song. you remember, he did it right here on "cbs this morning." it was fun. >> he did that with you, gayle. >> that was fun. millions of us cannot imagine not having an iphone. it was just five years ago today
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that the first one went on sale. do you remember? >> yes, i do. since then we've learned to love touch screens and a little thing called the app. david pogue, columnist with "the new york times" is here to talk about happy birthday for the iphone. david, good morning. >> thank you. >> five years later the iphone has changed us how? >> well, changed a bunch of things. the obvious one is that now touch screen phones are everywhere. it opened the door for android touch phones and windows touch phones. there's a sneakier aspect that not many people think about. when steve jobs came along with this idea, at the time the design of cell phones was in the hands of the carriers of verizon, at&t and so on, they held veto power. i had friends who were trying to develop the palm trio. they had great ideas and verizon would say, no, we don't want that. and jobs, of course, was an ought krat. he was a control freak and wanted control over every design element. he persuaded them to put trust in him to develop something new
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without their interference. that had never been done before. now that the carriers are much more open to fresh ideas. >> i remember when people lined up to get that phone. back in the day, you wrote an article when you said apple would never make a cell phone. why did you think that? >> exactly. not my finest moment. >> let's talk about that. >> no, no. it was in the fall of 2006. so a few months before the iphone was announced there was all this buzz about iphones and that was my argument. in this realm where verizon needs to say yes to that feature, no to that feature, jobs would never permit it. but what i didn't anticipate was this end run he did. he offered a four-year exclusive to whatever carrier would let him develop it in the dark as a black box. verizon famously said no, we won't take that deal. then he went to the other carriers and finally wound up at cingular. they finally said okay. later at&t merged with cingular and the rest is history. >> one of the things that
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brought so many people to the iphone, including myself, the app envy and all the apps. that wasn't initially part of jobs' plan. >> not only wasn't it part of his plan, he was against it. in the first year, the iphone had no apps from other people. it was just the apps that apple gave you and all the programmers, the developers said let us do apps, we can do cool, cool things with this. jobs resisted and resisted until finally, they could find a way to develop apps that wouldn't interfere with apple's stuff. >> is that ultimately what helped it go more mainstream? in the beginning, it was hard to justify the price tag no matter how cool apple is. >> for the first year, it was not a subsidized foep. you paid for the whole phone. and at&t wasn't getting a chunk of it. apps are what made it skyrocket. >> i am still hanging on to my blackberry. i don't have the iphone. i'm thinking, am i out of touch? people like me that are still
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using a blackberry, are we really out of touch? >> no. you set it next to the kerosene lamp, you'll be fine. >> because i hear that the iphone smarty-pants does so much more than a phone. it's really almost wrong to call it a phone. >> i'm going to buy you one. >> really? >> i'm going to buy you an iphone. >> you have a lot of witnesses for that, gayle. >> everybody says that. it's bigger than -- >> i have to agree. nowadays, the reviews of the phones don't really mention call quality and how is it to dial. phone calling is kind of like down the list of what they do now. >> so blackberry's, the difficulties, the battle seems to be iphone versus droid. it will continue for years to come now. look forward to iphone 5 which is coming this fall. what are you expecting? >> well, there are have been spy photos that -- from the chinese factories showing that it's the same size and shape but tall -- longer like a wider screen. and we know that apple could not get away without making it 4g. which means just faster on the
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internet in big cities. and to make it 4g, it has to have a bigger battery. because 4g slurps down power like crazy. i think that explains the larger size. other than that, we don't know much. >> and a larger screen could do so much on it, you can see things better. >> great for maps and photos. >> we'll watch it with you. >> i'll wait for that one. thank you, david pogue. three chinese astronauts are back at home returning after a 13-day mission. we'll look at the ambitious goals for its space program when "cbs this morning" continues right after the break.
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♪ china's fourth man space mission
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ended this morning with a successful landing. it was the longest and most demanding mission yet. >> the crew included the first female astronaut. chip reid shows us the expanding chinese space effort. >> after 13 days orbiting the earth, the space capsule shenzhou 9 floated gently over the northern plains and slammed into the ear. did a somersault and came to rest on its side. after an anxious hour long wait, the three astronauts finally emerged to a round of applause and a national sigh of relief. especially for 33-year-old liu yang, china's first woman in space. with legs too weak to walk, the three were carried to a brief press conference. yang said she feels proud for china. yang who was called little sister by the male astronauts was added to the mission to draw attention to a space program that's had difficulty capturing the imagination of the chinese people. chinese tv repeatedly showed her
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doing tai chi exercises in the small space module where the astronauts spent ten days, nicknamed the heavenly palace. yang said it was cozy and warm. overall, the mission was a glowing success and a very big deal for china according to cbs news space analyst bill harwood. >> the chinese are making very definite good progress toward their goal of building their own space station. >> china is going it alone in space in part because they were excluded from the international space station due to u.s. concerns that china could acquire advanced technology. china now hopes to have its own space station up and running by 2020. about the same time the international space station goes out of service. with the retirement of the space shuttle program, the u.s. now has no manned space flight program, lyle the chinese are moving full speed ahead. >> the fact is, we could well be in a situation at the early part of the next decade, the u.s. will be out and china will have
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the only operational space station. >> china insists it's oebl interested for scientific and peaceful purposes. it's also about status. manned space flight is something only three nations, the united states, russia and china have ever done. for china, it is vitally important to be a member of that very exclusive club. chip reid, cbs news, beijing. want to update you on a story yesterday which we all love. remember jagger, the 11-year-old skateboarder on his way to the x pgo jagger. he made it through the qualifying round in l.a. he and the other 11 finalists will try to become x games champions. i love this kid. >> i like him too. we liked everything about him yesterday. yesterday we thought he might not make it to the next round. that's good. pulling for him. >> in fact, you say girls say it a lot. it's kind of annoying. he's 11. but it ain't going to be annoying for long.
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soon he might like all that attention from the ladies. >> pulling for him. that's going to do it for us this morning. as we look back at the past week, we want to show you the names of the people who bring you this broadcast every day. thanks for being with us today. don't forget, "cbs this morning saturday" comes your way tomorrow. we'll see you monday. have a great weekend. >> i did it because i believed it was good for the american people. >> the supreme court handed president obama a major legal and political victory by upholding his affordable care act. >> we don't want washington bureaucrats telling patients what kind of health care they shold have. >> this really already is helping republicans. yesterday, they brought in $4.2 million. >> if we want to get rid of obama care, we're going to have to replace president obama. my mission is to make sure we do exactly that. >> colorado's wildfire trouble is getting worse. >> thousands of people are waking up again in shelters and evacuation centers. >> the fire has now burned more than 29 square miles. >> to think that all of that
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beauty is gone is so heart-wrenching. >> any time all the rain they desperately need in colorado this morning, it's found in florida. >> tropical storm debby is pounding parts of gulf coast. >> alligators, water moccasins, they're all up in the trees right now. >> it boils down to can romney get something going in the west? better latino numbers. >> he might be the ideal running mate for mitt romney. >> i didn't run for student council president. >> that's a no or it's not going to happen? >> that's it's not going to happen. and no. >> notice that the groom is practically the first one out of the water. he leaves the bride behind. >> i was thinking charlie rose, you were such a gentleman, you too, you would never take the plunge and leave her behind. >> i can't speak for miller. >> band is back together again. >> can i lean like this again. >> do it with -- >> i have bad posture abdomen -- >> daye that all the time. sort of like.
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>> dennis, you can sit however -- >> got that primal grunt down, charlie. >> so annoying. muggily is ugly. >> i think he's very handsome by the way. >> i don't know how he dos it. >> i dos it well. >> very, very good to you. >> yes. >> hallelujah. >> may i say you look good aaron sorkin. >> are you mocking me? >> don't leave, don't leave. >> i'm still here. >> he said you were prying me out of a -- >> excited to be here. >> all that matters. >> i saw that. i went it's so psychedelic. >> it's hard for me because i so much wanted her to think that i was as interesting as she was. >> she has many of those one-liners. >> if there's one thought why she was, it is how funny she was and how she so much made people
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she was, it is how funny she was and how she so much made people who were around her come alive. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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