good morning. it's thursday, july 5, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm erica hill, charlie rose is off today. president obama hits the road for a campaign tour in two battleground states and mitt romney says the health care mandate is a tax after all. in an interview, you'll see only on "cbs this morning." i'm jeff glor. the holiday heat wave continues with more than a dozen states facing triple digit temperatures. plus, it's been three years since air france flight 447 fell out of the sky. the mystery of what brought it down may be solved. i'm gayle king. at 8:00, florida governor rick scott says why they may not follow the health care law.

and audra mcdonald will be here in studio 57. first, as we do everybody morning, we begin with today's eye-opener. your world in 90 seconds. therefore, obama care is a tax. like it or not, it's a tax. >> mitt romney explains his position on health care reform. >> directly, contradicting what his campaign adviser said earlier in the week. >> back to business today. president obama kicks off his first bus tour of the campaign. >> as long as i continue to speak about the continue, i'm going to win. >> temperatures an incredible heat wave across the country. >> 22 state are under a heat advisory. >> people are still waiting for electricity. >> i appreciate what they do. but at some point there has to be a better system. >> according to the house oversight committee, countrywide made hundreds of discount loans to government officials in order to buy influence. in florida, today, a judge is expected to decide whether george zimerman should be

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this morning, president obama is on his way to visit factories and steel mills in ohio and pennsylvania. >> he is beginning a two-day bus tur of the rust belt. bill plante is at the white house. bill? >> in a word, jeff, he wants to get people excited. these are battleground states. ohio particularly. the president is trying to get his voting base excited about this election. he starts in maumee, ohio, near toledo. then he moves east to sandusky for an ice cream social. what better o on a day like this. then to parma. that's the biggest employer. he can make his claim that he saved the auto industry. >> then to poland, ohio and finishes up his trip in pittsburgh. >> so that's sort of a touch of his message. a lot of the question comes to how does the president convince him he's going to move things forward. any insight on that?

>> look, in every county where he's stopping, he won by large margins in 2008. he won on the promise of hope and change. but now, four years later, those places are still hurting in the down economy. and the president needs to convince folks there that he's still on the case if he hopes to win in november. they'll say that he will cast this as a vote -- as a choice, rather, between his vision, creating jobs by spending for education and infrastructure, and what he says is mitt romney's record of closing manufacturing plants and off shoring jobs. now, that's a powerful message in the rust belt. it's a message which the obama campaign believes it already working. >> bill plante, thank you. the president celebrated the fourth of july with military families watching fireworks on the south lawn of the white house. mitt romney appeared in a fourth of july parade near his vacation home in new hampshire. >> romney spoke with jan crawford in his first interview since the supreme court upheld

the health care law. jan, good morning. >> good morning, jeff. good morning, erica. it's family vacation time here in new hampshire for the romneys. but yesterday morning, the governor and mrs. romney sat down with us before they marched in a fourth of july parade. it was a wide ranging interview. we talked about the vice presidential selection process, romney's likability and chief justice john roberts' decision to join with the four liberal justices and uphold the president's health care reform law. romney tried to settle some questions that have been dogging him since that decision came down on whether or not he thinks the penalty people pay if they don't have a insurance is a penalty as some of his senior advisers said this week or whether or not it is a tax as a lot of republicans have been saying. >> well, the supreme court has the final word and their final word is that obama care is a tax. so it's a tax. they decided it was

constitutional. so it is a tax and it's constitutional. that's the final word. that's what it is. now, i agreed with the dissent. i would have taken a different course. but the dissent wasn't the majority. the majority has ruled and their rule is final. >> does that mean that the mandate in the state of massachusetts under your health care law also is a tax? and that you raised taxes as governor? >> actual will you, the chief justice in his opinion made it very clear that at the state level, states have the power to put in place mandates. they don't to require them to be called taxes in order tore for them to be constitutional. as a result, massachusetts mandate was a mandate, was a penalty, was described that way by the legislature and by me and so it stays as it was. >> whether it's a penalty, whether it's a tax, it means that americans, if they don't have insurance, are going to pay something, whatever they call it. >> i made it very clear throughout my campaign and actually while i was governor of massachusetts that the issue of the uninsured should be dealt

with at the state level and each state can create their own solutions to meet the needs of their people. >> you say on your website that you would nominate justices in the mold of the chief justice john roberts. now that he's voted to uphold this law, would you still, knowing what we know now, nominate a just dislike john roberts >> i certainly wouldn't nominate someone who i knew was going to come out with a decision i vehemently disagreed with. and he reached a conclusion, i think, that was not accurate about an appropriate conclusion. but that being said, he's a very bright person and i look for individuals that have intelligence and believe in following the constitution. >> are you troubled that he switched his vote, he was initially with the conservatives to strike down the heart of the law, the individual mandate and then changed his mind to join the liberals to uphold it? >> well, it gives the impression that the decision was based not on constitutional foundation but instead political consideration

about the relationship between the branches of government. we won't know the answers to those things until the justice himself speaks out. maybe sometime in history. >> i want to ask mrs. romney this question about some of the attacks that have been levied against you. when you hear the president of the united states saying that a president needs compassion and that your husband doesn't have it. do you listen to that? >> number one, they're not correct. it makes you recognize that they are going to do everything they can to destroy mitt. you know, they're trying to portray him in a light that's completely wrong? >> why? why is that? ? >> it's politics as mitt said. early on we heard their strategy. it was kill romney. that was their memo that came out from their campaign. it's like not when i'm next to him, you better not. >> jan, the reason i'm running for president is that i believe

i have the experience and know how and vision to help americans. to help the middle class of america. the president is going on a bus tour. he's got no new answers. all he's saying is let's go government some more. >> i feel like all he's doing is saying let's kill this guy. i feel like that's not really a very good campaign policy. i feel like mitt's got the answers to turn this country around. he's the one that's got to bring back hope for this country, which is what they ran on last time. but the truth is thrks the one that has the hope for americament. >> what do you think people misunderstand the most about your husband? >> that they don't get him at all. but it's, again -- >> what do you mean they don't get him at all? >> a misrepresentation of who he is. >> that will come. that will change. >> explain that. people see -- what do they misrepresent and what is different? >> well, you know, he's not as approachable as i am or something like that.

that's like really kind of funny to me because it's all backwards. and it's just something where we just have to make sure that i'm there saying wait a minute, no, that's not right. you got to get that right. it's not fair. >> why do you think you can convince the american people and how do you change that impression as your wife was just saying, that some people have that view? >> the people of america will stop and say, is my life better because of this president? did his policies get us back to work? did they improve our lives? if not, does mitt romney offer different answers with a different possibility for us? the question is, of course. that's why i'm in the race. i've laid out what i do to get this economy going and as long as i continue to speak about the economy, i'm going to win. >> you're obviously such a team. that's what everybody says about you. you two are a team. >> what qualities would you like to see in his vice presidential running mate? >> you know, i've given that a lot of thought, actually. i think it's someone that

obviously can do the job, but also will be able to carry through some of the other responsibilities. i think this is -- where our country is in such deep trouble right now and i think it's going to take someone else that's going to be there with mitt, that mitt will enjoy in -- with the same personality type that will enjoy spending time with him and also competent, capable and willing to serve this country. i think there's lots of good people out there that fill that bill right now. >> you think he should nominate a woman? >> we've been looking at that and i'd love that option as well. so, you know, there's a lot of people that mitt is considering right now. >> do you have a favorite? >> i like to think that i have a few that i really like a lot. >> and governor? >> what she said. >> when will we know? >> i can't tell you that. i have an idea in mind, but

that's something i'm keeping close with my team. >> now, most people think governor romney will tell us who his vice presidential pick will be sometime in august before the conventions at the end of the month. one of the prospects believed to be on the list is kelly ayotte. she is the senator from this state and she was campaigning with governor and ms. r mrs. romney. >> to call the campaign to task saying that the staff and the strategy of the romney campaign is squandering historic opportunity and jeopardizing chances. in mitt romney contradicting his senior adviser over the use of the word tax, is he showing he's starting to listen to some of the conservative criticism? >> the wall street journal has been really hitting romney hard for a long time now criticizing his messaging and his ability to kind of frame some of these issues and they really do suggest in in piece and what we've heard some other

conservatives, other titans of the industry, romney needs to shake up his campaign staff. he's got a lot of advisers that have been with him for a long time. he has brought more people into his campaign and i've seen signs that he's going to have any kind of major shakeup. you're seeing some frustration. that's a part of what the governor was trying to get to yesterday when we talked to him about whether he thought it was a tax. >> jan crawford, thank you. much of the country is wrapped in a dangerous heat wave. temperatures will reach triple digits and the high 90s from the plains all the way to the east coast of excessive heat warnings in illinois, indiana, ohio, iowa, wisconsin and kentucky. maryland has issued a heat advisory for the entire state. if you don't have electricity, the hot weather makes life that much harder. this morning about 250,000 customers on the east coast are still without power after last friday's unusual storm. meanwhile, the high temperatures are affecting nearly everyone. whit johnson is in silver

spring, maryland, just outside washington. whit, good morning. >> reporter: jeff, good morning to you. six days later, still plenty of scenes like this. downed power lines, a tree taking that down and smashing this car. neighbors telling us people actually survived this. but take a look around. not a cleanup crew in sight. the fourth of july is always eventful in our nation's capitol, but not like this. >> while greeting guests for fourth of july celebrations, even the president couldn't escape the heat. >> how is it going everybody? [ cheering ] >> are you hot? it's supposed to be hot. it's the fourth of july. >> the nation's capitol, the holiday seemed to carry on as usual. >> happy fourth. >> with thousands gathering to watch fireworks on the national mall. but for those in the d.c. metro area still without power and battling triple digit temperatures, frustration is now

at a boil. >> at some point there has to be a better system. >> dexter and melissa walker and their children had to flee their home with a downed tree and tangled power lines in their front yard wednesday, utility crews still hadn't arrived to repair the damage. >> they haven't shown up, no phone call, nothing. >> power crews have descended on the d.c. area to tackle the outages. joel weatherford is managing one of the teams. he says the storm's damage was like that of a tornado. so widespread, repairs would take time. >> i bet you've seen a lot of storm damage before, haven't you? ? >> plenty. >> how does this compare? >> it's so scattered, it makes it hard. >> the searing heat not only affecting humans. following the storm, people flooded the green briar pet resort in maryland seeking cooler conditions for their animals. >> there's this crazy warning back and forth. >> kennel tech jennifer cline says the resort normally holds

400 dogs. already at max capacity, they agreed to take on an extra 150 pets. >> had to move dogs around that we make more room for dogs coming in. the owners want, we provide it. >> major utilities are telling us that they've actually been able to work ahead of schedule and have restored power to more than 90% of their customers. they hope to have everyone back online by late tomorrow night. but of course, as you can imagine, for many that can't come soon enough. jeff, erica? >> whit johnson, thank you. in the middle east this morning, there are growing questions about yasir arafat's death. after radioactive materials were reportedly found on his clothes. >> his widow ordered the tests. nowas charlie d'agata reports, his body may be dug up within days. charlie, good morning. >> good morning, erica. conspiracy theories that yasir arafat was poisoned have been going around since his death in

2004. but never before have officials been so ready to exhume his body to further investigate the claims. >> the widow of yasir arafat wants his body exhumed. >> al jazeera reignited the controversy surrounding arafat's death in an explosive documentary shown this week. doctors in a swiss lab made a startling discovery on the wooly hat and the pajamas arafat wore in his final days. >> we did measurements on these particular stains, which shows that there is not normal quantity of polonium. >> polonium 210, the radioactive poison used to poison another man in 2006. arafat's clothes were provided by his wife who is now calling for the case and arafat's grave to be reopened. >> i want to ask to exhume the body of my husband.

i think this is my responsibility as a mother, as a wife, as a partner of this great man for 20 years. >> in 2004, with his west bank compound under siege, arafat was airlifted to a military hospital in france where he later died. medical records say he had a massive stroke resulting from a blood disorder. but many across the arab world have long held the belief that arafat was assassinated, poisoned by israeli secret agents. israel repeatedly denied any involvement and officials have dismissed the latest theories as nonsense, saying the al jazeera documentary belongs on the comedy channel rather than a newschannel. >> that french scientist in the documentary said the only way to confirm that he was poisoned is to examine his remains and palestinian officials say once the religious authorities give the go-ahead, the body could be exhumed within days. >> charlie d'agata in london x

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long way from wimbledon to scotland where prince william and katherine are this morning. along with philip and ann. prince william is becoming a it's scotland's highest honor. yesterday they were in the crowd as roger federer won their final matches at wimbledon. welcome back to "cbs this morning." a knight of the thistle. >> uh-huh. >> there you go. >> big stuff. >> yeah. french authorities are releasing their final report on the crash of air france flight 447 which disappeared in june of 2009 off the coast of brazil. for two years it was a great mystery. nobody knew what went wrong or why the plane went down until the black box was discovered. 228 people on board died in that accident.

mark strassmann is in atlanta with new answers coming this morning. mark, good morning. >> good morning, erica and jeff. look, we live in the safest period in the history of commercial aviation. when this plane just disappeared, the experts were baffled until they read the cockpit transcripts. it shows a picture of two pilots who were struggling with a crisis at least partly of their own making and there was chaos in the cockpit. >> for more than two years a few pieces of debris floating in the atlantic ocean were all that was left of air france flight 447 and the answer to what happened seemingly lost forever in the ocean floor. but in may of 2011, state-of-the-art submarines made a remarkable dive more than two miles below the ocean's surface and collected the crucial black box. expert analysis of the reported cockpit transcripts point to a perfect storm of problems, including stormy weather, aircraft malfunction and pilot error. but some say there was another contributing factor, the very design of the airbus cockpit.

>> would air france 447 had the same disaster if this cockpit were a boeing instead of an airbus? >> i think it would have been much less likely to happen in a boeing because the control wheels are large, they're obvious. i think it could hardly have been missed. >> when is the last time you were in one of these sm. >> to help us break down and understand bhapd on air france 447, aviation and safety expert, captain chesley sully sullenberger took us into an airbus simulator. >> this is going from new travel to full command. that's it, right there. that one little movement. >> that small movement in the air bus flight controls or side stick raises the nose of the plane and instructs it to climb. pilots rarely perform the maneuver at high altitudes because it can be dangerous. that is exactly what one flight 447 pilot did. around 2:05 a.m., when the

airbus a-330 was flying through a storm system, all three speed indicators stopped working. as a result, the aircraft's autopilot turned off. with the captain on beak, the two co-pilots were force today fly the plane manually. the least experienced, 32-year-old pierre, was in the right seat and said i have the controls. co-pilot david row bert was in the left seat. even though considerably more experienced, he let the other plan fly. >> theoretically, it was still -- >> although they lost the autopilot and speed indicators, they were flying normally and safely. suddenly, and without robert knowing, the other pilot does something inexplicable. he pulls back and raises the nose of the plane. that causes the aircraft to fall and the stall warning sounds. [ alarm sounding ] >> over the next 4.5 minutes

shall the stall warning sounds 75 times. strangely, neither pilot will mention it and unbeknownst to robert, the other pilot keeps the nose of the plane up almost the entire time, exactly what he shouldn't do. a decision that experts still can't understand. >> it's difficult to explain that. i just don't know why he did that. >> and there's nothing to you that makes sense on any experience or intellectual level about pulling back when you should push forward? >> no. >> nothing at all? >> no. >> because of the actions, the plane is attempting to climb but is losing altitude. they appear to have no idea the nose is being lifted when he says what the hell is happening, i don't understand what's happening. if he had known what was happening, he could have solved the problem very easily at this point. >> you're sitting where he was sitting and he starts pulling back? >> right. >> sullenberger showed us why he

thinks in this situation the design of the airplane helped keep them in the dark. >> it's a subtle movement compared to more traditional airplanes. >> unless i happen to notice you visually doing it, i would have no way of telling over here that it happened? >> because your side stick is not linked to mine. when i move this one, that one never bujs. >> by traditional airplanes, sullenberger means those built by boeing. there are only two major airliner manufacturers in the world, boeing and airbus. the two have different cockpit designs and philosophies. the main difference? airbus uses side stick technology, boeing uses a yoke. >> this airplane, you have a big control wheel. it's right in front of both pilots. >> we sat down in a boeing 747 simulator to see the difference. >> they're mechanically linked. not independent. if i move mine, yours moves in unison. >> had he been pulling back in a boeing, how would it have looked? >> like this.

>> my side it's in my lap. >> yes. >> row bare would have clearly known if this was happening in a boeing? >> i think it would be obvious. airbus didn't respond to our requests for comment, however, they have never wavered in their public support of their cockpit design. at 2:10 a.m. after the autopilot disengaged the airbus continues to lose significant altitude as the captain reenters the cockpit and says what the hell are you doing? the least experienced pilot continues to hold back on his side stick but still doesn't seem to understand what's happening. we've lost control of the airplane he says. he tells the captain, we've totally lost control of the plane. we don't understand at all. as the plane is 10,000 feet above the ocean, he finally reveals the crucial information they've needed. he shouts, i've had the stick back the whole time. row bare instantly realizes what's going on. he jumps in and says give me the controls, give me the controls.

but it's auto too late. about 40 seconds later, the two co-pilots say what will be their last words. damn, it we're going to crash. this can't be happening. but what's happening? four seconds after that the voice recorder cuts out. >> it's clear that the pilot of the airbus have to work as a team. >> robert sulas lost his 24-year-old daughter caroline in the crash. her husband of two years was a flight attendant on board. >> i was a loner on the earth. nothing to speak. a lot of question with no answer. >> 228 people lost their lives that night. after analyzing debris and examining remains, experts suspect passengers likely didn't know what was going wrong until they hit the ocean surface. a tiny bit of solace in one of modern aviation's biggest

disasters. >> we don't want this for nothing. >> everyone who lost someone that night, they want answers. but industry experts want more. beyond increased pilot training if deemed necessary, even changes to the o cockpit design. so the circumstances that took down flight 447 never happen again. >> if we only blame the pilots, we will not have changed any of the fundamental underlying conditions. we won't have done our best to prevent this from happening again. later this morning, french investigators will release the final report into what they believe happened, whether it rests with the pilots, their equipment or both. the decision has real implications for air france, airbus and commercial aviation. >> mark, fascinating story. any indication this leads to change in the industry? >> well, it's the question, jeff. i mean, on the one hand this airliner had never been involved in a fatal crash before, has a great safety record and when

it's flying on autopilot most of the time everything goes great. as captain sullenberger told us, we, as an industry, have to do better. some change is probably coming. >> mark, thank if you're feeling down, may want to find out if you snore. we'll show you how snoring, sleep apnea and depression may be connected. that's ahead on "cbs this morning." [ female announcer ] dry rough strawlike hair

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this is video. it happened in march but the video was just released. it's a russian parachutist jumping from a 400-foot electrical tower. chute fails to open. smacks into the snow covered ground. reportedly suffered spinal injury, broken pelvis but tweeted he's walking again thanks to intense rehab. you would think intense. >> how do you fall 4 hundred feet. >> and survive? >> and survive. >> in a hard packed snow. >> he's okay. >> i'm not going to try to find out how to do it. >> good for him. florida governor rick scott is coming up. he said the state can't afford to go along with health care reform. we're going to talk to him about that and why he thinks that way and talk about his state's critical role in the presidential race. that's all coming up on "cbs this morning." first, it's time for "healthwatch." here's dr. holly phillips.

>> good morning. today in "healthwatch," the dangers of sleep apnea. snoring may be more than just an annoying habit. it may actually be a sign of sleep apnea. in a new government study, it shows the breathing disorder dramatically increases the risk of major depression. researchers review data from almost 10,000 adults. among those diagnosed with sleep apnea, depression was more than twice as common for men and more than five times as common for women. now, exactly how the link might work is unclear. it could be explained by the fact that people who have interrupted sleep because of breathing problems have lower levels of oxygen in their blood and that can trigger mood and brain changes. it's a dangerous sleep disorder, if gone untreated, can lead to other serious health problems, such as diabetes, stroke, high blood pressure and heart disease. if your partner is snoring and gasping for air, don't nudge them or get angry. instead, make an appointment with your doctor. you'll both feel better. i'm dr. holly phillips.

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bay boom all at once. the entire show was over in 15 seconds. whoops. >> yeah. we'll try again next we're? >> welcome back to "cbs this morning" everyone. >> give you a full two hours. >> there's all sort of jokes in that story. i'm wondering, did anybody get in trouble do you think? >> one would think. >> i think so. >> the plot continues today. >> somebody got in trouble for that. >> people around the country are playing that video as well saying did you see what happened in san diego. >> it works for us in 15 seconds. don't have to show the whole show. gayle, you have a look at the 8:00. it's nice -- >> what are you doing? >> we like it. >> i have 8:00 tease. broadway star audra mcdonald will be live in studio 57. she wanted to sing for her life and lost her voice doing it. yikes. everything is okay now. she'll talk about the role that bought her another tony award. what does it take to be a

u.s. army sniper? jeff glor rumor is? >> rumor is i went down there and it's confirmed on the television screen. >> rumor is you are three for three on your sniper -- >> rumors also confirm -- >> jeff glor has -- >> don't let it go to his head. >> not at all. nothing ever does. >> what it takes to do that. charlie, as you know, is on vacation but he left us something to remember him by always. he talked with bill gates. he asked bill gates, does he miss having day-to-day control at microsoft. was he ever jealous of steve jobs. you'll never believe the excuse a driver gave when the police caught up to her after a hit and run. it's a doozy. >> we'll make that a long story short at 8:00 on "cbs this morning". spicy chicken mcbites. how so? first you gotta start off right. ♪ you gotta have some flavor... ♪ ...then you add a little something special. ♪ finally, you gotta bring the heat...

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yesterday we had real pandas to show you. this morning, people in panda suits. okay. doing tai chi in trafalgar square. they're promoting panda awareness week. who knew there was that sm. >> we actually just learned it yesterday morning. we were fascinated by it. >> we're working on getting that video to show you. >> there they are. >> gayle, this is from yesterday. chengdu china. they're promoting panda awareness week. so there you go. cute pandas. >> so cute. listen, pandas sliding down a slide never gets old to me. it is 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king. charlie rose is off.

>> i'm erica hill along with jeff glor. republican rick scott was elected governor of florida. one week after the supreme court upheld the health care care, the former hospital ceo says his state will not comply with the law. governor scott joins us this morning from tallahassee. nice to have you with us. good morning, sir. >> good morning. i know the rest of you -- i hope everybody enjoys the beaches. >> everybody can use a hill bit to cool off these days. >> it would be nice. why is this -- >> here's the problem we're dealing with in florida. medicaid is growing at 3.5 times our general revenue. so it's making difficult to fund our k-12 education. if we do an expansion rather than do what our citizens want. our citizens want jobs. that's what i'm focused on, get our citizens jobs to afford insurance. this expansion will cost the federal government, which is our

tax money, and the state a lot of money. we can't afford it. we already went through this experience with the stimulus where they put money into the education system and then took is away and our schools relied on it. i don't want to o do the same thing to our citizens. >> this isn't annish uf the amount of money or where it comes from. it's simply no matter what, your taxpayers have to pay for it? is that your issue? >> it's our tax money. goes to the federal government, they give it back. it's a significant expansion. we're already struggling. medicaid has been growing at 3.5 times the general revenue. if you talk to the citizens, they want a job, they want to make sure their kids can get a great education. every time we expand medicaid, we make it more difficult to fund our education system which is very important to our citizens. >> governor, the orlando sentinel says you've greatly exaggerated the cost. says you've overstated the cost. how do you respond to the wide range of sources that say you simply have the numbers wrong?

>> well, there's -- if you look at the wall street journal, their article on tuesday, they said for the first six years it would cost the state 1.2 to $2.5 billion. cost the federal government 20 to 25, i think, billion dollars. it depend what number you want to use. the truth is, it's a lot of money. whatever the number is, it's a lot of money. we're struggling. my first budget was a $3.7 billion budget. the second one $1.7 billion deficit. we're struggling to make sure we fund the k-12. any expansion of medicaid, which is growing at 3.5 times the general revenue is going to be tough. we want jobs. we've had the biggest drop in unemployment in the country since i became governor other than one state. that's what we need to be doing. get our citizens back to work so they can afford their own health care. the problem with obama care is it doesn't deal with the core issue. the core issue of the health care reform should be how do we reduce the cost of health care. this doesn't do anything to reduce the cost of health care.

that's what we should be doing. make sure people know what things cost in health care. give people more choice. make sure that individuals get the same tax breaks and -- reward people for taking care of themselves. those are the things we ought to be doing and the things we'll do in florida. >> governor, that sounds nice. but you have the third highest rate of residents without relt insurance. i wonder if the aca is not the right way to do things, what is? >> the most important thing is working on getting everybody a job. we have 800,000 people out of work. but we've had a drop in unemployment. that's the most important thing we do. make sure the industry focuses on reducing cost. look at how you can, through competition, drive down the cost. make sure you allow people to buy the insurance they want to buy. those are the things that will make it easier for people to get insurance. not a federal program we can't afford as taxpayers of this state. >> the big story that we keep hearing is that florida is certainly going to be a swing state in this election.

right now, the numbers show that they're very close. i believe that president obama is ahead at this time. what do you think governor romney needs to do? >> i think it's going to be no different than my race in 2010. that was all decided based on who had the best jobs plan. i mean, it's the biggest issue in our country. it's still the biggest issue in our state. we need more jobs. which approach is going to be the best approach to more jobs? i think president obama is going to suffer because jobs haven't come back. governor romney has to show a plan where floridians say gosh, i believe that n. that and that's how we get back to work. >> governor rick scott, thanks for your time this morning. >> have a good day. come down to the beaches. >> i'd love

jeff glor goes back to this morning. he wanted to. a different kind of school. it's called sniper school. who knew there was such a school? jeff glor did. from ireland, new evidence of the power of twitter. we're going to make that long story short on "cbs this morning." [ whimpers ]

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there it is. the annual nathan's hot dog eating contest on coney island. they really do train for this. i'm not kidding. joey chestnut. taking home i believe it's a belt actually. the belt -- for the sixth year in a row, 68 hot dogs, ten minutes, and ten grand. >> i want to know, the water is the gross part about it. we all agree. >> the key to success. >> how many could he eat without the water? >> you have to eat the bun too and you have to soak the bun in the water to help get it down. >> i'm thinking it's all kind of gross. >> it's gross.

>> congratulations. won by the black widow. 45 dogs. >> congratulations. good time was had by all. as we looked at the web, got to come up somewhere. that's a better question. we found a few reasons to make long story short. "time" magazine reports on a study finding one out of 12 teenagers have so many violent outbursts it qualifies as a mental disorder. researchers say intermittent explosive disorder starts as early as age 12 and three times more common in boys. some psychiatrists say it's still early to call the outbursts a mental health condition. usa today looks at the first amputee track athlete to run in the olympics. oscar pistorius was chosen to go to london. he's called the blade runner because of the fiber blades he runs in place of his feet. he will compete in the 400 meter run and the relay also. incredible. questionable excuse in a hit

and run accident. police say that 50-year-old flora burke heart rear ended a truck sunday then left the scene. the reason she fled, she didn't want her ice cream to melt. >> what kind of ice cream was it? >> looked like straw ber tli. >> i don't know if that was the actual cone. the wall street journal says the new spider man movie is already smashing box office records. not surprising. the amazing spider man took in $35 million in its first day alone. wow. breaking the record foye a tuesday opening set by transformers in 2007. looks like it has all the makings of a summer blockbuster hit. >> you liked it, right? >> i liked it very much. >> haven't seen it yet. the bbc has lost and found story. patch the dog was reunited with his people yesterday after they were separated. irish rail tweeted patch's picture to 18,000 followers and the dog was actually found on a train in dublin.

only took 32 minutes to find the mama. now, they're all back together and there was a report this morning that they were on the train home and people were saying, is that the dog who went missing? so many people had seen that. the power of the twitter verse. >> i like you say patches was reunited with his people. >> i don't like the term. >> who are those people, erica? >> i don't like the term owner with pets. i don't think you can own a living being. >> okay. >> i think of myself as the parent to jake the fantastic dog and liwill you will you the lovy cat. >> the j-man is my pet. >> your son. >> i can't own him. he's one of my two furry children >> i keep singing pink floyd over and over in my head. >> peter greenberg will be here tomorrow. you'll see him in the green room and then onset. he's going to have the five hottest travel websites for us that no one knows about. that is until tomorrow morning on "cbs this morning." but first, high-profile

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good morning baltimore. changing the face of modern warfare. they've been a valuable military tool but become more effective in iraq and afghanistan. >> the u.s. military is training and using them in greater numbers than ever before. to find out why and to see what it takes to become a sniper, we visited sniper school in ft beng, georgia.

>> men masked by facepaint and ferns. their heads spiked with leaves. it is quite a sight. the point, though, is not to be seen at all. >> you don't want to look like a bush. you want to look like nothing. here in georgia, these soldiers are students. >> you want to have three points of contact on your weapon. >> training to be army snipers. but before they learn to shoot, they have to learn to hide. this concealment exercise is called a long form stalk. students have three hours to get in position and shoot a target as far as 800 yards being noticed by spotters. on day two of sniper school -- >> there's the first shot. >> only one of 36 students hit the target. >> i can see most of it. i can't seat the letter. >> staff sergeant michael haenel says it's like fishing. >> you have to take your time. you don't just throw your line in.

same thing with stalks. you don't take 20 rounds and hit 20 targets. >> is patience the key? >> that's one of the biggest keys. without the patience, they're going to rush. had they rush, they'll make mistakes. it's a mental mind-set. if they let the stress overwhelm them, they won't be able to accomplish. >> going to get busted. >> what the sniper brings to you is persistent surveillance of a target. >> general richard myers is the senior military security analyst for cbs news. he was also chairman of the joint chiefs of staff when the wars in iraq and afghanistan began. during those wars, he saw snipers become one of our military's most effective weapons against insurgents. >> the more precise you can be when you're going after the adversary, the better it is in terms of winning hearts and minds. if you have, as we call it, collateral damage or hurt innocent men, women and children, you have a very difficult time. if you're trying to build confidence and trust with the people you're trying to help.

>> mckenna strip. >> snipers are in such high demand, the number of slots at the school has more than tripled since 2003. they've also become much more famous. >> on target. >> fire. >> thanks to hollywood and recent high-profile missions. >> this is the m-24 sniper weapons system. >> staff sergeant cameron erisman who recently returned from afghanistan says the hype is just that. >> sometimes you'll be sitting in a position for three, four days and not moving. it's not as glamorous as it might seem. a lot of snipers is not necessarily going out and engaging enemies of this nation. it's gathering intelligence, gathering information and reporting that to higher-ups so they can save future soldiers' lives. people are under the understanding that a sniper is a one-shot kill and that's not necessarily the case. >> of course, he tells us this

right before he fires at and hits a target 300 yards away. an easy distance, he says. perfect for beginners. >> so what position am i getting? >> get down behind the rifle. >> see a full sight picture in there. >> i was. but now i'm not. >> might have to scoot your head forward or to the rear. what you're going to did with your legs, kick them to the sides and lay your heels flat on the ground. with your trigger finger, squeeze a slow trigger squeeze. >> where did that hit? >> right on the right side. >> is that a kill? >> it is a kill. >> what makes a good sniper? >> imagination. someone that can solve his problems by himself. he doesn't need to be told how to do it and why to do it that way. >> haenel, erisman and other instructors try to teach as much as they can during sniper school. but they readily admit, what's learned during training takes a lifetime to master. >> this is like the golden age of being a sniper. because everything i learned and

a lot of the other instructors with us, it's completely different. so we're learning an awful lot. we're just getting better. >> did you like -- it's interesting your question was how did i do? was it a kill? when he said yeah, it was, it was like you were thinking, all right. >> well, yeah. i was a little surprised. but it was an intimidating place to be. these guys train hard. they're serious guys. >> yeah. >> they're committed. >> it's not the kind of thing that when you enlist you can just go say, i want to go to sniper school. are these people hand picked? >> they're carefully selected. they have to pass an aptitude test. these are guys who can work alone and who like working alone and can solve their problems. >> they're so young. >> i know. >> very young. >> so good. >> which makes it more impressive, right? >> i hi so. >> great piece, jeff.

audra mcdonald has been called one of the most gifted actors of her

♪ ♪ listen to that voice. welcome back to "cbs this morning." that, of course, is audra mcdonald. she stars on broad fwha porgy and bess. this year's tony winner for best musical revival. >> she also won a tony as best

lead actress and brought the house down with her emotional speech where she thanked her family. >> i want to thank my wee posse of three. and zoe, i my sweet little girl, this is an amazing night for mommy. but february 14th, 2001, the day you were born is the best night ever. never forget that. i love you. thank you so very much. thank you. >> i get goose bumps audra looking at it again. i will never forget the look in your daughter's eyes looking at you on the stage. really. >> it was a fun night for our little family, actually. they were so joyous the whole time and then after they brought them back to me, they were playing with the tony and spinning me and asking me how much it's worth. how much can you get for this? it's worth a lot. it's mommy's fifth one. here we are. you just came back to the show. took two weeks off because of your voice at the doctor's order. i was there july 3rd when you first came back and i sat in my

seat waiting for the first note. it came out and it was knockout. >> we were both wondering how that was going to be. >> were you nervous? >> i was. >> that's the longest i've been away from the show. it was frustrating. i had been singing when i was sick and my vocal cords got swollen and my doctor said you couldn't sing. she said you absolutely have to be silent. it was hard for my family. a lot of what? i'm trying to write down things and admonish them by writing down. no, you can't do that. stop asking in caps. >> totally silent. you weren't supposed to talk. >> can you whisper? >> whisper is worse than speaking or singing. it's worse for you. >> it was a tough couple of weeks. i did a lot of eating. nothing else to do. >> you have wanted this role from the time you were a little kid. >> yeah. >> because why? >> it's just -- there's very few major roles in musical theater

or opera for african-american women. this is just one of them. this is like the role of a lifetime. it's gershwin. it's some of the most glorious music ever written. the story is amazing. two star-crossed lovers. she's a complicate the character that i wanted to delve in and figure her out. >> it's a bite full production and you're electric on the stage. we could all agree. but what is it like -- you waited for this for so long. you wanted it for so long and when you had to take that break, was there ever a concern that what if this break doesn't work? this was my role of a lifetime. >> yes. it's frightening. as a singer, people -- a lot of people don't realize that singers is an athletic kind of thing we have to do. it's muscles, vocal cords fit on a dime. they are that small. they fit on a dime. when you sprain them, it's like a baseball player if he sprains his wrist, he can't pitch.

you're on the disabled list or whatever until you can come back. >> the dl. >> it's the same thing for singers. when you're waiting to make sure that everything comes down, there is that fear that what if it doesn't work? what if i don't heal? this is all i do. what if i have to find something else to do. i don't know what i would do. it takes a lot of sort of focus and determination to try and make it back from an injury like that. >> yet here you are. >> here i am. i'm glad to be back. >> is it part of why you tried private practice in 2007. that was your first tv, right? >> i was afraid of cameras. i was afraid of being -- >> i had been in theater all my life. so it's very odd to all of a sudden have a camera right here as you're supposed to be acting with someone saying i love you. i was afraid of it. i thought here's a chance working 12 to 16 hours a day in front of the camera for four years, you get used to it.

that private practice cast was just amazing. >> how long did it take to acclimate to that different experience. >> i think my fifth or sixth episode being called at 4:00, 5:00 in the morning. you're barely conscious. you start to lose the nerves. am i awake? >> forget the cameras and you're not really awake. >> then you come back to new york. i love what you say. your wee posse. i would think your wee posse was very happy you come back to new york. because your significant other is also in broadway. he's also an actor. >> yeah. >> how did you know he was the guy for you? i love the two of you together. how did you mow? >> we just connected on a very deep emotional level. we both have been through a lot of the same thing. our children are the same age. he's just my best friend. you know when you meet your soul mate. you meet your best friend. >> i haven't met mine yet, audra. how does it work? >> let me go back to little billy for a second. kids have two reactions, don't

talk about me or thanks mom. what was her reaction when you two finally met and got to connect backstage? what did she say? >> she was so excited. right before they announced my category, she said mommy, what if you don't win? i said, honey, that's okay. it's all right. it's just fun to be here. aren't we having a great time. didn't you get a great new dress for this? >> she was pretty. >> she was excited about her dress. she was nervous. you won, i'm so happy that you won. they were just excited about the night, all of them. which was wonderful. we just made it a big fun night dressed up. ody got to get - >> it's your fifth one. does it ever get old winning all those tonys, ms. mcdonald? >> no. >> congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> thanks. bill gates believes tablets will replace the personal computer and he says he is not jealous of apple's success. the microsoft chairman's revealing conversation with charlie rose is up next on

it's been four years since bill gates gave up his daily duties at microsoft to focus more on the foundation that he runs with his wife. >> this week on cbs charlie rose spoke with him about the computer business in general and his legacy. >> help me understand what it takes to build a microsoft or to build an apple or a facebook in terms of what it is that you and mark and steve have. >> well, in each of those cases, you had people who were quite fanatical -- >> what does fanatical mean? >> workday and night. sort of don't worry about the possibility of failure. every setback is just something that -- to work a little bit harder at doing. you really know what you're trying to achieve.

and you're going to hire the best people and you're going to change your strategy until you can -- >> in your mind you were trying to achieve what? >> the magic of software being available to everybody. both in their work and at home. >> the magic because this is just what you wanted to do because you knew if you did that, you would be the world's richest man? >> no, no. actually, we didn't think we'd be worth that much money because we had this high volume -- >> you being you and paul? >> right. any of us. we had this sort of high volume approach. eventually the volumes got big enough that the numbers got very significant. but the -- software is kind of a tool to take human creativity, human's desire to reach out to other people. software is kind of a multiplier on what human rs good at and when you thought about that, it was going to be so exciting. it's still unfolding today. what does software mean for education? what does it mean for health

care? those journeys are very much at the beginning. >> in their infancy. >> absolutely. >> here's what's interesting to me. i don't quite know all the facts on this. and i know you well and i knew steve jobs. it is this notion of you thought about a tablet. you thought about a touch system probably as early if not earlier than steve jobs. >> way too early. >> that was a problem. way too early? >> well, yeah. >> or something else? >> well, it -- you know, i think a few things could have been done differently to get to critical mass. what you see is these phenomena if you get a device to critical mass, then you get applications written to take advantage of that. then you get volume and the hardware to bring the price down and so what you see is, you can have something that was almost good enough, almost good enough that is forgotten for all-time and then the thing that just crossed that threshold, even though it came later, you know, goes up and is gigantic. >> that still doesn't answer my question. how come he was able to cross the threshold and up weren't?

>> in that case, he did some things better than i did. >> like what? >> oh, his timing in terms of when it came out, the engineering work. just the package that was put together. the tablets we had done before weren't as thin and -- >> pretty. >> weren't as attractive as what came along. now microsoft has something that may change the rules again. >> there's one difference in what -- basically what steve almost said was in a sense, what's difference about surface according to the press is that it can be not only a receiving tablet but also a creative tablet. you can use it to create things from it. >> that's right. >> and the argument was, you can't do that as well. >> you can't, no. that is absolutely right. that's why the pc category and the tablet category have been

separate. here you have something that fuses the best of both. >> what does that mean for the pc? >> that it's the best -- gets the benefits of being the tablet. >> has it been hard for you to watch the enormous success of apple? >> absolutely not. >> not at all? not the fact that they beat you. >> the fact that it's -- of all software companies were doing poorly and what was really important was some other nonsoftware-related thing, then that would be contrary to the original vision i had that, hey, software is important. the fact that the most exciting stuff in the world being done is being done by companies that are deeply software companies, google, apple, microsoft, facebook, that is amazing. yes, these companies should jostle against each other, compete, you know, a better search than google, can we do a better tablet than apple? that is a fantastic thing.

i'm not starving. and the brilliance of each company spurring the other one on, this is a very positive thing. >> have you for a moment, for a moment thought about i'm going to go back? i miss it, there are things i want to do. it's become even more exciting. i'm going back to microsoft, not once a month but every day? >> no. i put time into microsoft and i couldn't be more proud of the work they've done with windows 8 and now the surface. but my focus is on the foundation. what's going on in global health, what we're trying to do in education, i'm trying to learn about that. i feel like in terms of bringing the pieces together, the right innovation, the systems thinking, i'm playing the role that is most important. >> i'm thinking bill gates likes talking to charlie rose because he was very animated.

normally, he's very low key. >> i think that's a great point. >> yeah. very cool to see. >> charlie. >> the two of them together, that's nice. >> it is. a young girl called hushpuppy is the hero of an indy winning movie. ben zeitlin is here to talk to us about beast of the southern wild winds when we return. ♪

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director ben zeitlin is making -- one of the most extraordinary debuts of the year. >> like that description. beast of the southern wild won prizes at the cannes and sundance film festival. it tells the story of a new orleans bayou community through the eyes of a 6-year-old girl. and ben zeitlin joins us to discuss. >> hey. >> hello superstar. really good with all the reviews you're getting. congrats, congrats. >> thank you. >> we're watching the movie. i'm trying to decide, is it a movie or is it a documentary? i knew i was watching something beautifully shot, a story well-told. was that the feeling you were trying to give us? >> yeah. i mean, it's definitely a movie, everything is synthesized. the world is based on reamount but it's a fantastical sort of interpretation of reality. we tried to make it feel real. when we do thing, we try to, instead of creating on a sound stage, we try to go out on real

boats and film things like they're actually happening. >> you filmed this movie in louisiana. >> yeah. >> you were telling us before you came on, the first day of filming was april 20th, the day that bp happened. >> yeah. it was a real -- >> that's insane. >> it was. the film was really about these communities under threat and the death of this very precarious region of the bottom of louisiana. every morning we'd wake up and see that black line getting closer and closer to our town. it felt like life -- >> physically moving in on your set. >> yeah. i mean, we had -- by the end of the shoot, we had to negotiate with bp to get to our sets because the booms were on -- were closer than where we were shooting. they had to move them out of the way to get the boats in there. film the locations that the film is about. >> gayle makes a great point. it's a movie that's very real. it's about these people living in ab jekt poverty. but there's as you mentioned fantastical parts of it. there's giant beasts at times that take over the movie. where did that idea come from,

the blending of those two worlds. >> it was never supposed to be a piece of realism. it's a story about the way a 6-year-old experiences reality. so we tried to tell them the movie from an age where you're not really parsing out between fantasy and reality. you have an imaginary friend, they're there. you feel things. >> they're real to you. >> beasts are real to her so they're real to the movie. it's a kind of heightened folk tale that she's experiencing even though it's based on what's happening. >> i fell in love with her. i've been practicing. wallace. i fell in love with this little girl. >> so she and all of the people really were not actors. this was their first acting job which makes it more extraordinary. talk about your process in finding them. >> yeah. we knew we were going to take this giant movie and put it on the shoulders of someone real tiny. so we started casting as soon as

we starting writing. we did it for nine months and looked at about 4,000 girls all over south louisiana, trying to find the one. and she miraculously strolled into a library in louisiana. >> what stuck out about her? >> she had this -- she has this poise and wisdom that are so beyond her years and this fearness and defiancdefiance. we thought someone that young would be hard to direct. you can talk to her like a real actress and she understands things. you would say you're like going around the cast saying here's your motivation, here's your motivation. you go to her and say here's your motivation. she will turn to you and say ben, i'm six years old, do you think i mow what the word motivation means? use a kid word. >> what's a kid word for motivati motivation, ben? >> here's what you want. she just understands, she's a kid and she also understands the world in in way that i never seen in someone that young.

>> she taught you guys a few things. what did you learn from her at the end of shooting? >> you know, the character became this moral campompass ofe film. doing the right thing. i remember from her first audition, i was trying to get her to throw a stuffed animal at the other guy who was acting and she refused to do it at five years old. i cut the scene and said why won't you do that? she said it's not right to throw something at someone you don't know. >> what a great remark. >> inspiration. i say move over, there's a new female american movie hero. >> there you go. >> just amazing. ben zeitlin thank you so much. >> kudos to you, ben zeitlin. remember that name. beast of the southern wild is now playing in select theaters. >> that is going do it for us on this thursday morning. even though it may have felt like a monday. up next, your local news. we'll see you tomorrow when it will be friday no matter what.

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