. good morning. i'm maurice dubois. >> i'm rebecca jarvis. on "cbs this morning saturday," the tragedy in aurora. >> 315 and 314, shooting at century theater. hundreds of people just running around. >> i found the suspect. yes, we got rifles, gas masks. hold that position. hold your suspect. >> a theater, a superhero and now an american horror story in aurora, colorado. >> all the weapons that he possess possessed, he possessed legally and all the ammunition that he possessed, he possessed legally. >> police say the heavily armed suspect, james holmes, walked into a theater and opened fire.

>> he started shooting people that were trying to escape from that exit. >> 12 were killed and more were wounded than in any shooting in american history. >> i don't ever want to see something like that again. >> but the story is still unfolding as police try to disarm explosive booby traps set in the 24-year-old suspect's apartment. >> complete coverage of the tragedy in aurora on "cbs this morning saturday," july 21, tragedy in aurora on "cbs this morning saturday," july 21, 2012. captioning funded by cbs and a good saturday morning to all those who are joining us now. still so many unknowns about this tragedy, this horrific heinous crime. we have so much to learn about this massacre and the young man accused of carrying it out. our own jeff glor is in aurora this morning. we will be going to him throughout the broadcast for the very latest.

good morning to you, jeff. >> reporter: rebecca, good morning to you. a little more than 24 hours now after the investigation and recovery are still just beginning this morning. police today are scheduled to remotely detonate part of the suspect's apartment which was rigged with explosives, as you mentioned. this while 11 victims remain in critical condition. last night a vigil just across the street from the shooting. >> that's how we move forward. be there for each other. >> so sad. >> gathering to remember the victims of what is now the largest mass shooting in our nation's history. 70 injured, 12 killed. by 24-year-old james holmes in a midnight premiere of the dark knight rises. >> they're saying there's hundreds of people running around. >> i don't remember anybody starting to really scream until i got hit. and then it was like mass

mayhem. on some level, i realized there's a shooter in the theater and he's killing people. on another level, i didn't really want to believe it. >> 39 minutes after midnight. the first 911 calls came in. police responded within 90 seconds. >> an estimated 200 officers were later on the scene. >> everybody on this. it's an assault rifle. we have a magazine down inside. watch out for the assault rifle. >> suspect in a gas mask. >> hold that position, hold your suspect. >> male, unknown race, black camo type outfit. wearing a vest, gas mask. >> holmes had three guns with him including an ar-15 assault rifle and one pistol in his car. all legally purchased at colorado gun stores. he also bought more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition on the internet. while holmes surrendered without a fight, it is clear he carefully staged his attack. >> based on his behavior and

based on the planning that went into it, that he's -- he very likely is sitting back enjoying the impact of the crime. and that really is pretty unnerving when you think about that. >> also unnerving, police found no quick way to safely defuse the complex system of booby traps that holmes admitted to rigging in his apartment. >> it is a very vexing problem how to enter that apartment safely. i personally have never seen anything like what the pictures show us. i see an awful lot of wires, trip wires, jars full of ammunition, jars full of liquid. some things, things that look like mortar rounds. we have a lot of challenges to get in there safely. >> after spending most of friday evacuating and vsurveilling, thy plan to detonate them robot cli. only then can the city and everyone here begin to heal. >> our cops went through a lot.

they rushed people out of that theater into police cars. i've heard some compelling stories. >> when this has slowed down, one of our highest priorities is to deal with the officers and how they cope with this event. >> understandable emotion from chief oates there. they will begin the agonizing process of meeting familiar family members. james holmes has a lawyer and will be in court on monday. rebecca, maurice? >> jeff glor, thank you. we'll check back in with you in a little bit. now we tourn san diego where james holmes parents live. he went to school there. bill whitaker is there with more. >> james holmes grew up here in the comfortable suburbs of north san diego. no one who knew him here could believe he could be capable of

performing such horrific acts. now in hindsight, some who knew him in high school say they noticed a transformation that might have signalled he was troubled. >> no one can can doubt james holmes' intelligence. it was nurtured and encouraged by his parents in this close-knit middle class neighborhood in north san diego. julie adams is a neighbor. >> people come here because of the school districts. obviously, parents wanted to give him the best. that's why they live here. >> in high school, he won a prestigious internship to study neurobiology at the renowned sauk institute. he was an honor student in neuroscience in colorado. >> he was at the top of the top. he was focusing in an area, one of the strongly emerging academic areas across the country. >> high school classmates saw the bright young man grow more isolated over the years. he was just a classmate of mine, played one year of soccer with him our freshman year. >> daniel haber remembers the

classmate withdrawing more and more, hanging out with a different set of kids. >> couple kids that i don't know, they tend to wear more of like the trench coat-type ensembles and yeah, those kind of kid. >> next door neighbor anthony mai says holmes seemed frustrated after returning home from college. >> he had a bachelor degree in neuroscience and working at mcdonald. that must have been a bummer for him. >> withdrawal, forensic psychiatrist says mass killers often share those traits. >> the common thread is one of alienation. that a person is increasingly resentful, increasingly alienated, increasingly isolated. >> but now his childhood home is swarmed by media. his parents are asking to be left alone. >> they really want everybody to respect their privacy. very, very sad day. they're working with the -- communicating with authorities.

really that's all we can say. >> now, holmes studied human behavior at the university of california at riverside. he wrote a paper on mental disorder at the university of colorado. now it's alleged he used his knowledge and his education for diabolical purposes. rebecca? >> bill whitaker, thank you, bill. joining us now is someone who knows james holmes well. a high school classmate. sumit shah joins us in studio live. good morning sumit. >> good morning, rebecca. >> you first met holmes back in middle school. >> yeah, middle school and high school. >> what was his personality like? >> he was a quiet, shy guy. when he got comfortable, he was witty, smart and make clever jokes. >> clever jokes? >> yeah. >> he's described as having a change in personality. did you see anything along those lines? >> as long as i knew him, he was just kind of the same guy.

we lost touch around senior year of high school. i don't know what happened between then and now. i knew something must have changed. >> why is it that you lost touch? >> we stopped having classes together. i don't know what his social circle was like outside of classes and in school. >> you shared some photos with us. we have a yearbook photo of him and april photo of him in a costume. >> yeah. >> and what does that photo portray? >> the photo is actually, he played gandhi. we were doing a class presentation on india. it was our final. we had a little bit of a sketch. he was gandhi and i was supposed to be the shooter that took down gandhi. >> and was there anything around that with the shooter, for example, that seemed off to you? >> no. he was completely normal, which is why this thing is so shocking. it doesn't really make sense that he would do this. >> what kind of interests did he have as a child?

was he into comics? >> batman begins hadn't come out at that point. we hadn't been talking about it too much. mostly just kind of a jokey guy, goofy one-liners. >> did he ever get into trouble with the one-liners or have issues with other kids that you can recall. >> no. he was totally not aggressive, seemed to back away if anything got mean or meanspirited. >> was he involved in a lot of after school functions? >> i think he played soccer. and other than that, i don't know. i think he was mostly academically oriented. >> did you get the impression that he was close to his family, to his parents? >> i don't know anything about his family life. >> this is something interesting. because a lot of people who are describing james holmes are describing him as somebody who they didn't know a lot about. >> yeah. >> by comparison to your other friend in middle school and high school, was he less of an open

book? >> absolutely. he wasn't -- i mean, everybody -- you have your core group of friends that you hang around with. i don't know who his core group of friends is. lost connection. >> are you saying he didn't have that core group of friends that other people had? >> you know, i couldn't tell you. maybe. it's a possibility. >> a lot of people have also commented on how smart this young man was growing up. did you see that? you're shaking your head yes. >> we shared advanced placement classes. he always did really well. he worked hard, he got good grades. >> was there ever any foul play? did you see him playing with fire for example at kids or playing with animals? sometimes some of these mass murderer profiles you see an individual growing up, they play with fire or hurt an animal. did you see anything like that? >> no. aside from this, i couldn't think of him doing anything like that.

>> so when you did hear the news about this, what went through your mind? >> i heard the name. i was like, no way it could be the same guy. he was one of those people you think about after hts high school, he'll probably be all right. he seems like he has what he needs to make it flew life and do well. but i don't know what happened. >> sumit shah, a lot of people are trying to get to the bottom of that like you are. thanks for joining us. >> sure. joining us now is cbs news senior correspondent and former fbi official john miller with the latest on the criminal investigation of the shooting. john, good morning to you. >> good morning. we listened to that description there of someone who sort of knew him pretty well in school and we come away with this very, very isolated lone wolf type of person. what do we make of that? >> we make of that, that would not be unusual in this circumstance. i mean, one of the things we've seen is we've had 24 hours basically to learn about his world, find his friends, speak to those closest to them.

you haven't seen much of that. that is suggestive of there weren't a lot of people close to him. he was living in some kind of isolation. kind of the definition of the term loner. that is part of and we'll hear this later from maryellen o'toole the former fbi profiler, that is part of the mix we see in mass shooters. people who feel they've been pushed out and want to make a statement to tell people who they are and why they're mad. >> overnight, as best we can tell, he's had nothing to say to investigators, right? >> he has an attorney, he's represented as is his family. investigators really can't ask him anything anymore. he was cooperative in the beginning to the extent he conversed with them about basic matters. but when it got to why this happened, he never shed any clue. >> the booby trapped apartment, what are officers' options as they try to get in there? >> option one is they're going to detonate it and try to put out whatever fire, explosion comes with it to recover

evidence. they want a better option. they talked about federal officials, federal help coming from washington. that's in the form of yeager from the fbi's explosive section. he's probably the premiere explosive scientist in the united states. they'll probably have a small team come out from quantico and look at this thing and say, is there anything that anybody else missed that could defeat this device and render it safe without detonating it? >> we talked about the motive. it remains a mystery. why such mystery on the part of the suspect? >> i think what you're seeing here is a suspect who felt, wasn't in control in his life and wanted to take control by doing this shooting and showing who was boss. i also think the fact that you do something to cause so much attention to beg the question, what was the matter? and then not answer that. authorities are wondering where that answer is. now, take a look at the virginia

tech shooting. here's a thing where he killed himself but he had sent a videotape. fascinating aspects of this case. postal inspectors from the u.s. postal inspection service, their investigators fanned out through the area around the suspect's residence and they've dumped all the mailboxes and gone through everything to say, while he's not saying anything, is there a communique, is there a videotape, is there something that's heading out to a media outlet or to some other place? because so far, there is no message here. >> there is nothing. okay. john miller, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. both president obama and mitt romney were quick to offer their condolences to the victims of the aurora attack and their families. then new york city mayor bloomberg got into the mix. wusa in washington, we're joined with a look at the political side of the tragedy in aurora. good morning to you, matt. >> good morning, rebecca. in the wake of the shooting,

president obama called for all american flags at half-staff. a gesture to unite the countriment make no mistake, there are deep political divisions in light of the fact that many are wondering what lessons should be drawn from yesterday's almost unspeakable tragedy. >> within hours of the shooting, the two candidates for president were expressing their carefully calibrated shock about the grisly details. >> such violence, such evil is senseless. >> offering their prayers for the victims and their families. >> our hearts break with the sadness of this unspeakable tragedy. >> in new hampshire, republican candidate mitt romney cut short a campaign appearance at out of respect for the victims. today is a moment to grieve. >> president obama did the same in florida. then canceled the rest of his day's events saying it was a day for prayer and reflection and calling for a moment of silence. new york city mayor michael bloomberg, one of the country's most outspoken supporters of tougher gun laws said the time

for silence on gun violence is over. >> we're the only developed country in the world that has more guns than people. >> insisting that soothing words from politicians are nice after incidents like friday's, but the candidates running for the white house need to lay out specific plans right now to curb the country's plague of gun-related crime. >> and i've called on both the presidential candidates to stand up and say what they're going to do. >> these people will get the guns anyway. >> mike kaufman is a two-term colorado congressman who represents the aurora area. he thinks the shooting will, among other things, result in increased security at movie theaters. >> my community won't be the same after this. >> but he's not sure more federal gun control laws will be or should be the response to the largest mass shooting in american history. >> no doubt, this is going to create change. the direction of that change until we really know all the facts would be very difficult to speculate at this time.

>> new york congresswoman carolyn mccarthy vehemently disagrees. >> i hope we can have a civil debate. >> the widow of one of six people shot to death on a railroad train back in 1993, mccarthy said congress must act to try to prevent the next mass shooting. >> supreme court has said you have a right to own a gun. there are probably types of guns that should not be on the streets. >> as a further gesture to the victims and families, the campaigns have pulled their television ads off the air in colorado. a break from presidential politics that likely will not last long. rebecca? >> matt, thank you. the fact that the aurora massacre happened in a theater crowded with fans of the batman movies is impossible to ignore. it is far from clear how much of a link there may be between the film and the shooter's motive. concern about possible copycats is keeping some fans at home at least for this weekend. michelle miller reports. >> it was supposed to be the

blockbuster of the summer. instead, the dark knight rises to real life horror. some learned of the shooting after leaving the daybreak screening. >> wow, that's messed up. >> others had heard and had to think twice about going. >> i was very shocked. and a little scared to come here at first. >> new york, los angeles and other cities put police patrols inside theaters to deter copycats. the national association of theater owners is reviewing its procedures in the wake of the mass murders. still, industry insiders don't think this will damper pandemonium for batman. >> there will be fear and paranoia that maybe this could happen again. but in the end, i think it's going to be a blockbuster. it will be the biggest movie of 2012. >> ticket sales in many new york

city theaters were sold out in advance and there's no sign anyone stayed home. the midnight screening grossed $30.6 million. >> but already, some comparisons are being made between the lone gunman's tactics and those of the caped crusader's nemesis bane in the film. >> what are you? >> batman fans weren't buying it. >> the film was excellent. a lot of people believe in the film. the director. i don't think there's any correlation between the shooting. >> it prompted warner brothers to pull one of its more violent trailers and canceled the paris red carpet premiere, as well as interviews with the film's cast. the studio reportedly spent more than $300 million producing and promoting the film. the feeling is, the show will go on. >> insiders at warner's have said it's an isolated incident and they'll keep rolling out screenings across the country and the world. >> the final installment in the

batman trilogy is expected to top the avengers. this year's highest grossing film. it earned $207 million in its first weekend. while amc theaters is offering ticket refunds, many hardcore batman fans plan to be there, rain or shine. >> batman is a beacon of hope. for people not to see batman because of one isolated incident, doesn't make sense. he's a hero, man. >> michelle miller, new york. >> and it is about 21 minutes after the hour. we turn to lonnie quinn for our first check of the weather. good morning. >> good morning, rebecca and maurice. good morning everybody. let's take a look at what my big map has for you weatherwise. couple of fronts to point out. we have one stretching right here throughout portions of the southeast. that will be triggering some showers and storms. i have another front up around the northern plains. that, too, will trigger showers and storms. south of that, let's zoom into this area. i got to tell you, big time heat for the central plains from omaha, kansas city to tulsa.

we're talking temperature readings, 95 to 110 degrees. say that again. typical is 85 to 95. you're at least ten degrees warmer than you should be. we have heat alerts. pittsburgh, new york city, boston, your temperatures cooler than you typically see this time of year hovering around the upper 70s to 80 degrees. that's a quick look at the national picture. a closer look at the weather for your weekend. okay. everybody. that does it for weather. rebecca, maurice, over to you guys. >> thanks, lonnie. we talk to a moviegoer who was sitting in the second row of the theater. tell tell us about surviving the aurora attack. >> and the remarkable story of

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this morning, we're learning details about the alleged colorado gunman, jails holmes. he graduated from college with honors. he was studying to get a ph.d. in neuroscience. apparently, however, he actually couldn't find a job. he was working at mcdonald's for some period of time. his friends have described him as withdrawn after that point. but we still don't know one of the most important things, the most important thing. why did this massacre take place? everybody wants to understand. what would be the motivation to commit such a heinous and horrific crime? >> the more we learn, the more we're at a loss. coming up in just a bit, we'll talk to a former fbi profiler about what could have sparked such a carefully planned 3q

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welcome back to "cbs this morning saturday." i'm rebecca jarvis. >> good morning. i'm maurice dubois. coming up an eyewitness to shooting tragedy, she was so close she could feel the heat of the bullet casings. one killed had a brush with death just a few weeks ago. we'll have her remarkable story. >> but first this morning, investigators continue to pore over the evidence in the colorado shooting rampage. they're piecing together what happened in the theater and they're learning more about the suspect, james holmes. the motive for the attack remains a mystery. bob orr reports on what is known about holmes. >> law enforcement sources say

24-year-old suspect james eagan holmes seems to be a classic lone wolf. an accused mass killer with no apparent accomplices or known connections to radical groups. there's little in his past that stands out. he graduated from a san diego california high school where he played soccer. he went on to attend the university of california riverside. >> he was an honor student in neuroscience. graduated. he had a merit-based scholarships while he was here and then he moved on to colorado for graduate work. >> holmes moved to aurora and continued his studies of neuroscience at the university of colorado. though school officials say he was in the process of dropping out. holmes' family issued a statement saying their hearts go out to those involved in the tragedy. noting they are cooperating with authorities in the investigation. investigators who have been combing the shooting scene for over a day say james holmes was completely under the radar. before the shootings, holmes'

only brush with colorado police involved a single speeding ticket. yet, sources say over the past two months, he legally bought the four weapons he had a the theater. a .40 caliber glock pistol and smith & wesson semiautomatic assault rifle both of which can be fitted with clips. a 12-gauge shotgun was also used. the fourth begun, a .40 caliber glock, was recovered from holmes' car. over the past several weeks, holmes bought a huge supply of ammunition. >> through the internet, he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition. more than 3,000 rounds of 223 ammunition for the assault rifle, 3,000 rounds of .40 caliber ammunition for the two o glocks in his possession and 300 rounds for the 12-gauge shotgun. >> sources say those were the actions of a dedicated killer who meticulously planned the

massacre. but police so far have found nothing in holmes' past, nothing on social networking sites that might explain the shootings. holmes is not helping detectives find any answers. he's refusing to talk. bob orr, cbs news, washington. >> and joining us now from our washington bureau is dr. mary ellen o'toole. she's a former senior profiler for the fbi. she's also the author of "dangerous instinct." >> senior correspondent and former fbi official, john miller is here in studio. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> mary ellen, i want to start with you. how did he appear to fly under the radar without anybody detecting anything along the way? >> well, i think that with this kind of a case, his ability to appear so normal was very effective for him, and many of these offenders realize that, moin order to carry out their crime, their assault, they have to fly

under the radar screen. otherwise, there will be intervention by law enforcement and they'll be prevented from carrying out the mass assault. so, again, the trappings of normalcy really enabled him to carry out this assault and plan it for such a long period of time. >> mary he wiehe wilellen, are e was actually flying under the radar, perhaps even as a young child, he was thinking along these lines and could be plotting that way and trying to just be away from the screen? >> well, i can't tell you how long his planning has gone on. but i can say in other cases, it has gone back beyond months, including years. in this case, as the investigation unfolds, we'll get a better sense of that. whether or not he was consciously saying to him search, i'll pretend like i'm normal when there's a lot of things going on underneath, i doubt that. i think he was able to achieve academically. i think he was able to interact

with people to a certain extent and again, appear to be normal to other people around him. but when people -- when we look at someone, we don't say, i wonder if you're going to be the next mass shooter. so our interpretation also has a lot to do with how we assess people. >> mary ellen, john miller in new york. good to see you again even if it's over this connection. >> you too. >> i'm curious about something. we have the receipt from some of the orders he had of his tactical gear and it's striking when you look at he ordered the assault vest, the triple pistol magazine, the m-16 magazine pouch and assault knife. he wanted all of this with next-day delivery. this was over $350 worth of equipment. how much of this involves an attack that is attached to their fantasy of who they are? do you believe he actually took this stuff, put it all on, posed in the mirror and assumed this identity in his mind before the attack? would that be within the

profile? >> i think there's a very good possibility of that. at least to some extent. and i know in other cases and this one is probably very similar, that there were fantasies of violent behavior for a long time. and as they evolved, he began to create this persona of how he wanted to carry out this crime. so getting this equipment quickly was really part of the thrill and excitement. unfortunately, i have to say that the thrill and excitement of planning this out and being able to touch it, to look at it, to put it on. again, to fantasize what it was really going to be like once he was in that theater. >> john, talk about these weapons. you've actually fired one or two of these? >> i've fired every weapon on this list. >> they can cause serious damage. >> the reason why, these are the weapons favored by law enforcement and the military. that ar-15 fires 223 round.

he ordered thousands of them. when you hear the stories of the bullets going through the wall into the next theater, that's that ar-15. i'll tell you something else about it, when you listen to what the witnesses said, when you pick up that ar-15, it's heavy but it's very stable. it has very little recoil or what people refer to as kick. so it allows you as a long barreled weapon, to be extraordinarily accurate, not to suffer from the recoil of the gun and have to reset your shot. so when the witness described him of shooting every two seconds, it is very consistent with him picking a target, a n person, lining up the shot and firing. his hit ratio, which was almost 50%, which is extraordinarily high has to do with the fact that he had literally a captive audience and deadly weapon. >> what comes next from a police investigation standpoint? >> from a police investigation standpoint, the real -- the thing that's left hanging is what's in that apartment that may give rise to what the motive

was. now motive is interesting. this is going to be a capital case in colorado. proving motive is not a requirement and not a legal requirement. but juries want to know. they want to know why and so does the public. so they don't really have anything on that. and probably a lot because of what mary ellen told us, which is he lived in isolation and probably wasn't sharing those problems. >> okay. john miller and dr. mary ellen o'toole, thank you both this morning. >> thank you. >> let's get a check of the weather one more time. here's lonnie quinn. lonnie? >> maurice, thanks very much. good morning everybody. let's get right to the big picture. again, i'll talk about what's taking place right now. we're seeing a little bit of monsoonal moisture fading away. but it's going to reignite once you get some sunshine in that area. then i see a front here. there's a cold front pushing through the mid-atlantic right now. we can zoom had on this area. it's currently set up around the chesapeakes. take a look at that shot. know in your minds, it's going

to continue to push down to the south. for places like raleigh, north carolina, we'll be firing up pretty good storms today. the other side of this front is where things really settle down today. what's interesting to point out, a place like new york city, two days ago 100 degrees. today, about 79, maybe 80. quite a bit of sunshine will eventually develop. that's a quick look at the national picture. here's a closer look at the weather for your weekend. >> okay. everybody, i'll see you in half an hour. rebecca, back to you. coming up next, we'll speak with a young woman who was literally just feet away from the shooter and the gunman when he started shooting.

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we are hearing unimaginable stories from moviegoers who were lucky enough to escape the massacre in aurora, colorado. they are still trying to come to grips with the mass shooting. >> let's go back to jeff glor in aurora who is joined by a young woman who was near the front of the theater when the attack began. once again, good morning, jeff. >> reporter: maurice, rebecca, good morning again. we're joined by jennifer seeger, a remarkably well-composed and brave 22-year-old who was in that theater. jennifer, good morning. >> good morning. how are you? >> how are you doing? >> you know, i'm doing the best i can right now. >> you're tired? >> a little bit. >> you were there in the second row. tell me what happened and when this happened. >> okay. when i was in the second row, i was the very first person at the end of that row. the gentleman, about 20, 25 minutes comes in through an

access exit on my right. when he came in, i was probably -- i'm pretty sure i'm the first person he could see. i'm the front. >> you saw him walk in? >> yes, i did. it was hard not to. he literally, violently through open the door. it was dark in the theater and there was light. it was the first thing you could see anywhere. he walks in, at first everybody thought he was just an actor or something trying to give everybody a thrill as far as the movie goes. we quickly realized that that wasn't the case when he threw a gas can full of some kind of tear gas or something of that nature. he shot his first fire into the ceiling and then everybody panicked at that point and saying get out, get out there's a gun. and then at that point he moved his gun downwards and pointed it at me. he was literal lie 3 to 5 feet from me. i was terrified. my heart like stopped. i don't know what to do. this guy has a gun in my face. you know what i mean.

what do you do? all i knew is that if i didn't move or do something, if i stood there, i probably wouldn't have made it. my instinct was to like dive into the aisleway and kind of tuck myself and corbin. >> my best friend was there with me. i dove on top of him and we tucked underneath -- not the stairs, the chair right in front of us as that was -- i told everybody just remain calm and still and quiet. when he moved up the stairs, we would make our get away. crawl to the other end of the aisle and then try to run out to the exit at that point. and when he went up the stairs, all i hear is people getting shot right behind me. instead of me. that was just really painful for me at that point. there's a lot of bullets coming, falling on our heads and his legs and my head. there was still like hot and still touching our forehead. it was burning our skin kind of. >> the casings are coming down. >> literally. a lot of gunpowder and smoke.

it was terrifying. at that point, you hear people screaming and crying, women and children saying no, no, no. he was running up the stairs and literally killing people, just shooting people in cold blood. at random. it didn't matter who you were. any time somebody got up or any time he walked by you, he's going to shoot you. it didn't really matter. it was just terrifying at that point. i told everybody once we got at the end of the aisle, i told them to run for the door. when they did that, he kind of caught on that we were trying to get out. he went downstairs and went around and started trying to shoot people that were trying to exit. they ran backwards. they're like no, no, get back. he's trying to shoot people that are trying to leave. at that point, you know, i told people around me to lay as flat as they could in the aisle and pretend they were dead. he wouldn't shoot somebody that was lifeless. i told everybody to be really, really quiet. i think that was the only time there was silence is when he ran out of bullets and had to reload. it was really scary. you could hear his footsteps

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one of the 12 people killed in the massacre in aurora early yesterday morning was an aspiring sports writer. >> amazingly, she had another brush with death just six weeks ago. jeff glor once again in aurora, colorado, with more on her story. jeff? >> reporter: maurice, good morning. her friends say that jessica ghawi was full of life. she tweeted for the last time just 20 minutes before the dark knight movie began. by every account, jessica ghawi, a 24-year-old texan, was outgoing and energetic. working hard to fulfill a dream.

jordan ghawi is her older brother. the passion that she showed for her work and others was something that was evident in everything she does. >> reporter: on thursday night that passion was directed thord the latest installment of the batman series. she tweeted. of course we're seeing dark knight. redheaded texan spit fire, people should never argue with me and never thought i would have to coerce a guy into seeing a midnight showing of the dark knight rising. >> she and brent had been pals, buddies, friends for a long time. god, it's terrible what happened to her. >> both were shot in theater number 9 early friday morning. brent survived and jessica did not. cutting short a life that was in many ways just getting started. >> she came to denver from texas, wanted to start a career for herself in the media business and go on to bigger things. >> she loved sports. hockey in particular. she was working to become a

reporter. adrian dieter was a men r mentor. >> you knew something was there. there was a spark in her. >> her boyfriend is a minor league hockey player in colorado. after learning of her death, he tweeted 140 could never do you justice. nor could all the words in this world. never wanted to fall asleep because it meant missing time with you. >> she would make friends with anybody she could. she would step up and offer herself to anybody. >> eerily, almost unbelievely, jessica was involved in a recent shooting at a toronto mall last month when a gunman shot five people. she was standing in the very spot just minutes before. jessica blogged about that experience writing, "i say all the time that every moment we have to live our life is a blessing. every hug from a family member, every laugh we share with friends. even the times in solitude are all blessings. every second of every day is a

gift." >> very true words we just heard there, jeff, from you and from jessica ghawi. when we think about the tact that there are 12 lives, 12 stories like this that we'll be hearing about, families, friends, communities, this is something with a very broad impact and to hear jessica's story gives you a sense for the lives here and just the massive destruction that took place. >> the enormity of it all. all they were trying to do is go to the movies. it's unbelievable. we'll be right back. with my friends." ♪ me and my friends, da da da da da ♪ ♪ me and my friends, da da da da da ♪ "with my friends, randy and phil." nothing brings friends together like chili's triple dipper for dinner. because vitamin d3 helps bones absorb calcium, caltrate's double the d. it now has more than any other brand to help maximize calcium absorption.

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welcome to "cbs this morning saturday." i'm rebecca jarvis. i'm maurice dubois. the aurora shooting suspect, james holmes was carrying several guns and they were all legal. our john miller has tracked down how he got the weapons an the permits. >> then, we'll take a look at some other towns that have suffered tragedies of their own to see how they have overcome the shock and the grief and rebuild. >> and the tragedy in aurora is a frightening thing, especially for children. we're going to talk with two experts about the best way for parents to talk to their kids. >> but first we want to go back to jeff glor in aurora where police investigators have turned their attention to the shooting suspect's apartment.

jeff? >> reporter: rebecca, that's exactly right. today they're going to try to gain access or more access to james holmes' apartment, which has proven to be a difficult job. he booby trapped that apartment and rigged it in ways that could potentially put those officers in danger. they may have to essentially explode parts or all of the apartment or the apartment complex to try to settle this situation. they are going to close off this entire block as they do that. but we're expecting that to happen this morning. we'll be watching that. we're also watching as some of the victims here recover. last word, 11 victims were still in critical condition and joining me now to talk about how they're doing, some of them are doing is dr. camilla sassman, an emergency room doctor at the university of colorado. doctor, good morning. >> good morning. >> reporter: i know you can't talk about specific patient conditions or patient names, but are some of the patients doing better this morning?

>> they are. we had 23 patients total that came into the hospital early yesterday morning. we actually treated and released ten of those folks now. so they're at home with their families. we still have five patients who are in critical condition. one who expired at our hospital, did die at our hospital. >> that's within the last several hours? >> since the tragedy itself. >> we actually do have seven patients that are just admitted to the hospital right now for observation. >> those patients currently in critical, all gunshot wounds? >> yes. >> tell me about the extent of some of those gunshot wounds and what made this particularly difficult for you. >> i think gunshot wounds are a different thing. you may see one that goes into the chest or the abdomen. but the sheer amount of force and damage it can do inside of someone's body is so tremendous. so what we had to do continually was keep reassessing our patients every one to two minutes. they could go from being stable,

being able to talk and tell us what happened and crash within minutes where they couldn't tell us anything. they were completely disoriented and their blood pressures were down. we had to give them fluids and products to get blood pressure up. gunshot wounds are scary. what you see isn't necessarily what you get. >> you're talking about victims with multiple gunshot wounds. this is two, three or more? >> it depended on the patient. but yes we had a lot who came in with multiple gunshot wounds. >> was there one particular story of survival that surprised you the most? >> i'll be honest, they all surprised me. just that there's -- again, we're still kind of trying to process what happened yesterday. you go back and think through ha these patients, these people, the families have been put through. the fact that we were able to even have 23 patients show up on our doorstep and had this amazing response from the entire hospital coming down to help us in the emergency department. the folks, we lost one person

and everyone else was still alive. i think that speaks to the quality and caliber of our hospital. >> what takes place when that happens, when you get that word, everyone has to rush downstairs? >> i think the reason we were able to coordinate such an amazing response was because we had a disaster plan in place. we got that phone call right at 1:00. within 15 minutes, we had surgeons that were coming downstairs, people who weren't on call actually had come in specifically for the tragedy. and then we had custodial staff, nurses, technicians all over the hospital who had come downstairs. the e.r. doc, we're so busy taking care of patients, it was great to not think about the details. everything fell into place. >> thank you for stepping away for just a minute here. we appreciate the work you're doing an the families appreciate the work you're doing. thank you for updating us this more than. >> absolutely. >> rebecca, maurice, let's go back to you. >> jeff, thank you. joining us once again in studio with the latest on the investigation in aurora is senior cbs news correspondent

and former fbi official, john miller. john, thanks for joining us again here. now, at this point they are looking at the apartment complex where james holmes lives. he had put a bomb, some sort of explosive device in that unit. as you have been reporting, he was hoping to potentially lure the police there and distract them from seeing what he was doing at the massacre at the movie theater. now, they have to figure out what to do about that and they may have to actually bomb or explode the entire building in order to get rid of it. >> right. and this is -- i mean, according to dan oates, the chief there, he said this is a device like i've never seen before. there are trip wires and other things. so let's go with plan a. plan a is you have a device in an apartment. you don't want to put a bomb technician over that and put that individual at risk even in a bomb suit. procedure is you send a robot in and you remotely disarm it.

you render it safe. render safe process. rsp. this is right out of the book. the problem is, when the apartment is wired in such a way that if you open the door at all, the device goes. if you cross the room, the device goes. and you can't get a robot in there, what do you do then? that's the problem they're facing. why they've reached out for additional experts. so then there's plan b. which is all right, we have controlling features. what are those? we've evacuated the building. so we have public safety. we have the fire department in place. if it's an incendiary device, we'll pour water, foam or whatever the best way to get the conflagration back down as quickly as possible. we do want to get in there and get that evidence. we do want that analysis. on the other hand, if -- now we're going far afield here, but if it was built to appear to be an an incendiary device, but let's say it's filled with high explosives, then you have a

different kind of explosion. still, everybody is safe because you're controlling the timing of it and the proximity. but it's complicated. >> let's talk about the time frame for a second here. is there any urgency to get in there? it would appear no. it doesn't appear that the place is in jeopardy of blowing up at any moment. they could presumably wait this thing out for a good long period of time, right? >> you have the passive urgency in that you've evacuated the building. those people want to go home. the intuitive answer is not we'll get you home as soon as we blow up the building. time is on our side to the extent that we want to examine every option before we take the one that seems to be most difficult. >> if they do blow up the building, what happens to the evidence that they have been trying to collect on this individual? >> so i think they think they're not going to blow up the building. i think they're going to cause a huge vast fire. the fireball that comes with --

and the fuel that comes of an incendiary device and that they're going to put that down very quickly. i hope their hope in conferring with the fire department is we're going to have a fireball and explosion and a fire that goes with it. how fast can we put that out and can we limit the damage to one room, two rooms? >> tactical about it. >> can we contain it to the apartment. then, a, see what evidence we have left. we've lost the device but we've documented it. photographed it, done everything else. and b, can we save the other apartments so the people can return there? >> how do they know not to get in there in the first place? what led to that? if it were someone else, we would just open the door, right? >> yeah. this is not their first rodeo. the bomb squads in in community are the bomb squads that responded to columbine and found the multiple ieds in the school. these are very professional people. the arapahoe county bomb squad, the international association of

bomb technicians, he goes to the conferences and gleans the lessons from the terrorist attacks around the world. when they got there, they said before we make an entry, let's look in with a pole camera. they looked into apartment 10 with a pole camera. they saw the device, it had booby trap written all over it. they said we're slowing this down. it saved a lot of lives. blaring technomusic around midnight would have caused a neighbor to go in. >> a neighbor almost did. >> i put my hand on the door, i felt the door was unlocked but i didn't go in. that would have pulled resources to the other end of town and given him more time for shooting at the theater. it's a very diabolical plan. >> it is. the atf and bomb squads are on site and we'll bring the latest to the viewers. john miller, appreciate it. now to some of the other headlines this morning. damascus in syria, has become an

all-out battleground. army helicopters and tanks bombarding rebel positions overnight. it's reported that as many as 470 people have been killed there in the past week alone. thousands of damascus residents have fled the city. elsewhere, opposition groups say rebels and government forces clashed for a second day in the northern city of aleppo. >> in this country, a u.s. air force instructor could be sentenced today for rape and sexual assault on female trainees at lackland air force base in texas. a military jury convicted staff sergeant louis walker on friday. he could be sentenced to life in a military prison. others are being investigated also. there's a report that penn state university will remove a statue of coach joe paterno that stands near the football stadium. the website sports grid said the penn state board of trustees made the decision thursday night, but there's no confirmation so far from the

university. an internal investigation concluded that the late paterno helped to cover up former assistant coach jerry sandusky's sexual abuse of young boys. >> on a happier note, in london, the olympic -- arrived last night ahead of the owing ceremony. a royal marine repelled out of a navy helicopter carrying the torch on to the grounds of the tower of london. it marked the end of an 8,000-mile torch relay around britain. bravo. it is about 11 minutes past the hour. we turn to lonnie quinn for another check of the weather. >> good morning guys and good morning everybody. off we go to -- got a drawing for you. this is the surface analysis. it shows you where the wet weather is. where the stormy weather is. three indistinct areas. when you look at it on a satellite and radar picture, a lot of it not looking impressive. some of this needs the heating of the day. the sunshine to cause those to

develop. that's what we see around the southwest. this is monsoonal moisture. things will be percolating out there. around new orleans here, there's a front from raleigh, north carolina, towards new orleans. watch the storms. watch how they fade away. don't be fooled by this. this is an actual cold front. this will be causing those storms later on in the afternoon to push -- to pump into the area all the way from new orleans up to raleigh. the beautiful weather, both sides of the country from seattle, washington to portland, maine. those spots, temps in the 70s. here's a closer look at the weather for your weekend. earlier this week, the northeast and hundreds today,

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for the people of aurora recovering from the shock of yesterday's movie theater massacre, it will take a long time. if they were ever be back to normal is up in question. others have experienced similar tragedies. in october 1991 colleen suffered one of the worst massacres in u.s. history when a man walked through a popular restaurant and killed 24 people. >> it's near fort hood where in 2009 an army officer shot and

killed 13 people and wounded 29 others. joining us from austin is the mayor of colleen, dan corbin. mr. mayor, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> i imagine this must have taken you back to a very, very difficult place and time. what might you tell the people of aurora as they struggle to begin to get their head around what happened in their community. >> you're right. every time there is a mass shooting, it makes us remember what happened at luby's. that was on a wednesday. everybody went to church, it seemed like, that wednesday night. the whole community, the surrounding towns, the people at fort hood made counselors available to help with the people. one of the things that helped was prayer. we had a memorial service on the saturday afterwards where the governor was there. we set up kind of a unity sort of period for 30 days that would hopefully kind of put an end to

the proceedings. it's like you've been kicked in the gut. you have grief, disbelief, anger. why would someone do this. and just everybody hugging and praying are the best things that you can do. >> when it comes to preparation for something like this, no person, no community can ever fully be prepared, but unfortunately, having gone through the terrible experience in 1991, then facing the fort hood shooting in 2009, do you believe that there were some key take aways for emergency responders that perhaps aurora could learn from? >> yes. you know, once you've been through one mass casualty situation like this, it's a lot easier to get people involved in training. i think that that helped a lot with the later fort hood shooting. but, you know, we're a very resilient community. we have a lot of veterans. there's 47,000 soldiers at fort hood. people had been to war, both the

gulf war, the desert storm operation against saddam hussein happened in the spring of '91. our soldiers had just returned back from that. you know, we are a community that knows how to deal with adversity. i think that was very helpful. >> for the people of aurora, it's got to feel like the whole world's weight is on their shoulders right now. it's got to feel so difficult. what can you possibly tell them as to how long this sensation will last them? when does it start to pass, if you will? >> well, it seems like after about 30 days or so, the first thing you notice is when all the satellite trucks leave the community. and the immediamedia is not as . then there's a healing process. every year on the anniversary of this horrible tragedy, you relive it. every time there's another mass shooting anywhere in the united states or in the world, it brings it back to the forefront.

>> mayor dan corbin, we sincerely appreciate you joining us. thank you for your words of wisdom this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> best wishes. and up next, how to talk to your kids about the tragedy in aurora. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." ♪ abracadabra. hershey's milk chocolate with almonds in pieces. your favin pieces.

we've got to talk to our kids, let them know that this is an isolated instance. it's tragic, it's horrible, but it's isolated. we've got to talk about it. >> that is a tough conversation to have and children may be fearful after learning about the tragedy in aurora, especially because there were some kids in the theater when the attack took place. >> joining us right now with advice on how to talk to your kids about the shooting is psychologist dr. jennifer hartstein and health director for parents magazine. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> let's talk about the children who were at the screening. a 4-month-old, a 4-year-old, 9-year-old. that gives ace lot of people pause first of all.

tough to think about children that young at a theater at that hour, right? >> well, i mean -- you don't want to judge. we don't know the circumstances but the fact is, a movie theater is an inherently safe place to be or it was until 36 hours ago. it shouldn't matter how old the child is, it shouldn't matter what time of day it is. that should be a safe place to be. >> does it matter how old the child is and what kind of conversation you have with them and that said, what type of conversation should you be having at different stages in a child's life about this. >> it does matter. you won't have the same conversation with a 3-year-old as a 13-year-old. they won't understand the same kinds of things. you really want to know your audience, know your child. in fact, the same conversation you have with one 8-year-old might be different than another 8-year-old. you might want to wait to see what they bring to you and only answer the questions they're asking you. don't provide tons and tons much information. it might be too much for them. sensory overload makes them more

nervous. keep it simple. ask them what they ask and be open for ongoing conversation. >> doctor, let's start at the young age. i have a 4-year-old. what do i tell him if this comes up which i doubt. >> you hope it doesn't. we want to keep the 4 year 'ols with their innocence. you want -- if he says what happened, all these people are talking about this bad man. you can say to him, you know, there are some bad people. there are people who make mistakes and make bad choices. we want you to be okay. we want to be able to protect you and your mom and i will do that. it's all okay. that may be all he needs to know is that piece of reassurance. >> what if he comes back, as many children do, with the why, consistently asking and i'm asking this myself without having children but thinking about myself as a child and when i wouldn't be satisfied with a cursory answer from my parents about what was going on in the world. >> well, last night with my 6-year-old was that was her second question. why did he do this? you can say, i don't know why he

did this. most people don't do this. so people are trying to find out why he did this. we just don't know. i think that's fair to be honest and say you don't know when you really don't have an answer. >> they're going to say, what about going to the movies. is it safe to go to the movies? how do you answer that question? >> as we heard in the clip, this is an isolated incident. this doesn't happen often. you want to say look, we can go see a different movie. your child may still be nervous and you may be nervous as a parent. just walk over to the movie theater, see that the movie theaters are still full. maybe walk into the movie theater and see, hey, everything is okay and build up. if your child is really safe. but the idea is to get back to regular routine. thank you both. appreciate it. we'll be right back. if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own.

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welcome back to "cbs this morning saturday." i'm rebecca jarvis. i'm maurice dubois. >> coming up the latest on the massacre in aurora, colorado and the investigation of james holmes. our senior correspondent and former fbi official john miller will rejoin us for that. plus, we'll speak again with james holmes' high school friend about what could possibly have put holmes' on the road to such a terrible horrific act. first, we want to head to lonnie quinn for the final check of the weather. >> good morning, everybody. let's talk about what we see all across the country. there are a couple of cold

fronts that are bringing some wet weather out there. two portions of the northern plains, also in the southeast stretching into the gulf coast states, i'm calling for rain. it's already starting to develop out there. let's take a little tour. a couple of cities out there. for example, minneapolis. sunshine today. rebecca's hometown. there will be scattered storms that kick in. i just showed you that picture on the radar. about 88 degrees for a high temperature. if you take a look at lexing ton, kentucky, they're going to have a temperature of 86 degrees. mostly sunny skies. i do not think any of that wet weather around the northern plains will be dropping into lexington. pretty decent looking day there. that's a quick look at the national picture. here's a closer look at the weather for your weekend.

>> okay, guys. one more city to visit. it's for my shoutout to fairbanks, alaska, they're hosting the 51st annual world eskimo olympics. they're tested for strength, endurance, balance and agility. look at this video. the four-man carry. the one foot high kick. the ear pull. the ear pull, all right. looks as painful as it sounds. thanks for watching "cbs this morning saturday" only on cbs 13 in the anchorage area. a temperature of 59 degrees. maurice, over to you. >> lonnie, thank you so much. now to the lead story on this saturday morning. the massacre at a movie theater in aurora, colorado. the lone begun man identified as 24-year-old james holmes. >> we want to return to john miller who is back with us. john, good morning to you. thank you for being with us all morning today.

one thing we haven't discussed much this morning is james holmes' limited presence online. in fact, it appears according to investigators that he really didn't have one. just 3% of the population in his 24-year-old age group is like this. does that give us a sense for who this person might have been and what his motives might have been? >> well, it gives us no window into the motives. it does give us a sense of the isolation. i mean, on social media is just what it's called. it's social. it's to interact with other people within your circle and then to develop people beyond your circle. it's been very difficult from a journalistic standpoint, investigation aside, to find friends of his, people who knew him currently. we can find old friends of his. but his current life seems to be very isolated, which in many ways plays into the profile of the loner who is feeling isolated and living in his own

world in some respects. >> we even had a friend on earlier who barely had a sense of this guy himself. and he had some relationship with him. let's talk about what's going on right now at his apartment. investigators are there. there is no rush to get inside. what appears to be a booby trapped apartment. what's the latest there, i don't know, for people just getting up this morning. >> they're still looking at their options there. what they are clearly doing is preparing for option b, which is if this device goes off, are we prepared and if not, are we prepared to set it off? that's if we can't figure out a good, what they call rsp or render safe process to disarm it. you've got an enormously complicated job here in aurora, which is not a big city by big city standards. you've got two crime scenes. you've the primary crime scene at the theater. enormously complicated in its own right. you have ten bodies on the scene

now removed and getting them out of there was done first in deference to getting that scene processed, documented where everybody was. getting them identified where they fell, where they died. but beyond that, that's just the beginning. so with the removal of those bodies yesterday, now you've got hundreds of shell casings. you've got blood and biological evidence. you have other forensics and in a normal model, you send your team in and you process a crime scene. but this, because of its sheer scope, is going to tie that location up for more days while they document everything. the ballistics alone, bullets have to be pulled out of walls and preserved. shell casings have to be marked, where they were picked up and by whom. aurora is doing that assisted by the ert, evidence response team, assisted by county. it's a big job. >> what do they immediate to get a conviction out of this, john? >> not much. here you have a suspect who is arrested on the scene with the weapons that are going to be in

all likelihood tied to the crime. you've got him with the equipment, the gas mask, the vest. basically, in the outfit that every witness has described. so it's not an uphill trial in temps of the evidence. where the wildcard is going to be is you can see a capital murder case coming. that's the direction this district attorney is going to go. that's fairly certain. and the challenges will be on mental competency. that means we've got a hearing, we've got a court hearing coming up monday morning. the wheels are turning quickly in that regard. but i think you're not looking at a trial for more than a year out when you get through the defense psychological examination, the prosecutor's psychological examination. the court may appoint an independent examiner. a lot of challenges. >> holmes has lawyered up. what about what he said initially to investigators? >> not very much. i spoke to people on the ground in real time while he was talking and they said he is

talking casually, you know, about things that don't matter. meaning, he'll converse with us about please step in here, how are we feel, you want a cup of coffee, things like that. but when we got to tell us why did you do this, what's behind it, it was unresponsive from the beginning. >> john miller, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate it. we'll be right back. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." l, everyone. you can now try snapshot from progressive free for 30 days. just plug this into your car, and your good driving can save you up to 30%. you could even try it without switching your insurance. why not give it a shot? carry on. now you can test-drive snapshot before you switch. visit progressive.com today.

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we want to go back to jeff glor, who has been with us in aurora, colorado where investigators have turned the attention to the shooting suspect's apartment. jeff, as you're standing outside of that theater where less than 24 hours ago, bodies were literally being pulled, the shock that's taking place here in new york and around the country is great, but i can only imagine that the devastation and shock there must be unlike anything else. >> reporter: it certainly is, rebecca. as we stand here right now, we count at least five distinct components of this tragedy that are still unfolding. we talk about the investigation of james holmes' apartment, john miller addressed some of that. the apartment booby trapped and rigged with explosives and chemicals. there's the investigation at this scene where i am. some of the cars still remain. those people who fled the theater quickly or didn't take their car with me or unfortunately, some of the

victims who weren't able to take their cars with them, police are still looking through the century 16 theater. james holmes is in custody. he has a lawyer now. as far as we know erks not been talking a great deal. but know he's in court on monday. the fourth part is the victims who are still in the hospital. there are at last count, 11 victims still in critical condition. we had a doctor on from university hospital this morning. she said some of the victims are improving but a lot of them remain in very difficult states. then you also have police today and late last night notifying the families of those who did indeed die, which is an agonizing process both for police and obviously for the families. still an active morning here as both aurora and the nation come to grips with exactly what happened here early on friday morning. >> jeff, no idea you've had a chance to talk with anybody. i know you've been busily putting this report together this morning. what about the atmosphere there

in town in aurora right now, what's that like? >> i think any time there's a mass shooting like this, there is -- they understand why the media is here. they understand why there's coverage, but i think that there are requests for sensitivity and judgments. i've certainly heard some of those. we've certainly talked to some folks who were in that theater who were remarkably composed and eloquent given what they saw and heard. sometimes it helps to talk about what happened and what they saw. so it's a city that has -- an area that has seen tragedy before in littleton, not too far away. it's a city that is trying to process as best it can. >> with a still very open wound, jeff, you brought up an interesting point about speaking to these victims, these individuals as we've been hearing with you there this morning who were there, who experienced it all and it sounds like it's almost a cathartic

experience for them to at least be able to share what they went through. >> listen, everybody handles a situation like this in a different way. everybody has to process it in their own way. some people need to close down a little bit and try to figure out what happened and talk to their family. some people want to talk about what happened and what they saw and explain what they went through. you saw jennifer earlier this morning. extraordinarily brave. she was three or four feet away from this shooter and didn't know what to do. she froze for a minute, then she dove down and then her and her friend ended up crawling out of the theater. just extraordinary acts of spontaneity and hero i can acts. >> have you heard anything about memorial services coming up for any of the victims, jeff?

>> those are being planned right now. we did go to a vigil that took place last night. there were about 50 clergy members across the street from the theater and about 150 other people attended that one. there were other smaller vigils around town. but at some point i think you'll see a much larger memorial. >> it is striking to me, jeff, as we've been hearing from these people and you mentioned with jennifer corbin, the idea of coming together as the community and when she said i think i got through this because my friend and i were together. i don't think there would have been any other way that we would have made it out of this alive. >> reporter: i know people who live in aurora who came from aurora. they are strong people, they know this is a strong city. and they know that they're not going to get through this without a little bit of help. jennifer is one perfect example of that. >> okay, jeff dplglor, thank yoo much. we're going to switch to jim

axelrod. he's at hole ams' apartment where investigators are trying to figure out when to go in there. jim, what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning. this is probably the most active part of the investigation that's still unfolding. if you look over my shoulder, you can see this apartment building where james holmes lived. the theory police are working under right now, this is at the north end of aurora. and the shooting was at the south end of aurora. the theory is that holmes had booby trapped his apartment when they broke in the windows and looked inside, they saw what the police chief called a tangle of wires and things resembling mortar. perhaps he had booby trapped the apartment thinking that someone would push the door open and create an explosion here while he was carrying out the shooting. this is leaving police with a vexing situation. how do you get into the apartment? there's so much evidence in there that they want to get their eyes on it.

but they need to do so in a way that's safe and doesn't destroy the evidence. right now, we have the local police also assisting them, state and even federal authorities about how to get into this apartment in a safe way that preserves the -- what could be a crime scene and have a look around. as you can see behind me, a lot of activity here this morning from law enforcement and from bomb squad and it's a situation that we certainly are watching closely. >> jim axelrod this morning. thank you very much from aurora. we're going to take a break right now. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." imagine avocado on a toasty bacon egg & cheese on flatbread. come celebrate avocado season before the sun goes down on this delicious addition! subway. build your better breakfast. use the points we earn with our citi thankyou card for a relaxing vacation. ♪ sometimes, we go for a ride in the park.

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so, when heartburn strikes, try zantac® this has been medifacts for zantac® we're back with continuing coverage of the devastation in aurora, colorado. joining us again now is sumit shah. he's a high school classmate of the aurora massacre suspect, james holmes. thank you for coming back and staying with us this morning. i have to ask you as you've been watching, more and more details emerge about this individual. how far from the person you knew is the story that you're seeing unfold? >> this is like 150%.

this isn't the same guy at all. of course, i don't know what his attitude is like, just his actions don't speak to the way that i knew him in high school. he was just kind of -- like a goofy, witty dude. i've never seen him act aggressively, i've never seen him be mean, i've never seen him cause any problems or act violently or anything. >> seven years ago that you were in high school together? >> yeah. >> look at the front of the new york post. look at this picture. this is your friend. when you look at that, what do you think? >> i don't know who that is. that's not my friend. that's not the person i knew. i don't know what happened between now and then. of course, i mean, we weren't like super best friend or anything in high school. but i mean, what's happened here is just a lot different from anything i would have imagined. >> so what was he like in high school? >> he was smart. he was witty and kind of shy. a little bit introverted. i think he was pretty well liked for the people that knew him.

he wasn't like a mean guy or anything. he was just -- he was pretty normal. pretty standard. >> i'd be curious. in high school, people go through all kinds of things. did you ever see him go through conflict with a person or a group, how he would react under stress in a bad interpersonal situation? something that might give us a little clue as to how this built up? >> i've never seen him really get into conflicts. i think he tried to stay away from them. i never saw him really be aggressive or anything. i've never seen him freak out unless it was academically. but i'm speculating. >> john, from your perspective, is it fairly typical for someone who knows or an acquaintance of someone suspected of a major crime or any crime to give this sort of answer, seemed like a nice guy, kept to himself. it's sort of a joke in newsrooms that's always the answer we

hear. we hear over and over. >> right. it is part of the dark humor. if you interview the neighbors and they say he was quiet, kept to himself, seemed like a nice guy. still waters run deep. part of this, and if mary ellen o'toole, our fbi profiler were still here, she would tell you that a lot of this has to do with people who feel isolated, who feel shut out. they are injustice collectors. rather than react at every perceived slight and they perceive slights more readily than a lot of us who would say forget it. they collect these and build these up. then at some point they say, okay, that's it. now i'm going to make everybody pay. and you know, i was isolated, i was invisible, i was powerless. this usually comes after a set of stressors. it can be loss of a girlfriend, loss of a job. the last place i would be looking, in june he withdrew

from the ph.d. program at the university of colorado. what happened within that period to make him drop out of school. a guy who academically who has always been excelling, university of california riverside, neuroscience, what suddenly happened in june that made him a, drop out of school, b made him work at mcdonald and c, buying all the weapons in short period. >> a huge job in front of investigators right now. john miller, sumit shah, thank you for being with us. we're going to be right back. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." ♪ [ male announcer ] the inspiring taste of mcdonald's new spicy chicken mcbites. ♪ poppable pieces of tender chicken breast seasoned with just the right amount of spice, but just for a limited time. new spicy chicken mcbites. the simple joy of spicy perfection.

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we will have continuing coverage on cbs news of the aurora tragedy. we leave you this morning, however, with a moment of silence for the 12 innocent victims who died in the aurora massacre.