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good morning. it is monday, july, 23, 2012. welcome to studio 57. i'm charlie rose. erica hill is on assignment. accused killer james holmes heads to court today as we learn details on how the colorado massacre could have been even worse. >> i'm norah o'donnell. new calls for gun control after friday's tragedy. both sides are now digging in. i'm gayle king in los angeles. it could be one of the harshest penalties the ncaa handed down. penn state prepares to hear its fate in the wake of the sandusky scandal. but first as we do every morning, we begin with a look at today's eye-opener. your world in 90 seconds.
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>> who are remembered are the good people impacted by this tragedy. >> colorado mourns as investigators search for answers. >> we refuse to even allow our state, our communities to be defined by irrational senseless violence. >> the booby trapped apartment of the accused mass murderer james holmes was "designed to ki kill". >> makes his first court appearance monday morning. >> some of the gravely injured may not survive. at least seven remain in critical condition. >> i beat you. i made it. you didn't take my life. you didn't take my friend's life either. >> should we reinstate the assault weapons ban? i think we should. >> he had enough ammunition for like a small army. >> i really would hate to see a tragedy like this for a political agenda to reduce americans' freedom. >> where are they now and why don't they stand up? if they want our votes, they better.
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judgment day for penn state. >> about to get slapped with penalties for child sex abuse. >> the campus statue of joe paterno was taken down yesterday. >> if you take down the statue, then take down the stadium. >> protesters storm anaheim police headquarters demanding answers after a deadly officer involved shooting. >> all that -- >> look who decided to hit the mall for a little shopping. a baby bear wandered into a sears store. >> and all that matters. >> use that vice president to raise money and take on the president. >> has he told you -- >> no he hasn't. but i expect a call later today. >> on "cbs this morning." >> ernie els is the champion again. >> i'm supposed to go to canada, but i think i'm going to blow that thing off. but i think i'm going to blow that thing off. [ laughter ] captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." we begin with the latest on the largest mass shooting in american history. alleged gunman, james eagan
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holmes is due in court this morning. >> jeff glor is at the scene of the shooting in aurora, colorado. good morning to you, jeff. >> reporter: norah, good morning to you. last night we watched a vigil here, an extraordinary show of support for those here in aurora. this as the president reminded the nation about the resolve of the human spirit. >> even in the darkest of days, life continues. and people are strong. and people bounce back. and people are resilient. >> the president arrived here sunday afternoon first meeting privately with families of those who died and those injured. and he shared a harrowing tale of heroism. stephanie davies and allie young were there. allie immediately stood up. >> she was shot in the neck and a punctured vein and immediately she started spurting blood.
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stephanie, 21 years old, had the presence of mind to drop down on the ground with her, pull her out of the aisle, place her fingers over where allie had been wounded and applied pressure the entire time while the gunman was still shooting. >> davies called 9-1-1 and stayed with allie until police arrived. >> and because of stephanie's timely actions and she is going to be fine. >> last night, thousands here attended a candlelight vigil paying tribute to those who were not so fortunate. the gunman, 24-year-old james eagan holmes, makes his first court appearance today as authorities search for why. what prompted the largest mass shooting in modern american history. 12 dead, 58 hurt. new details have emerged about how much worse the shooting might have been. holmes entered the theater with three guns, including a
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semiautomatic assault rifle with an extended magazine. when that gun jammed, he used a pistol, potentially saving lives. there are reports that holmes may have gotten away that morning if not for observant swat members who noticed something off about his tactical gear. >> there was one particular piece of equipment that he had on him that was out of place. i am so proud of my officers that they spotted that right away and challenged him. >> that piece of equipment was a nonregulation gas mask. holmes was arrested on face the nation, aurora police chief dan oates said there is no mistaking his intent. >> we're building a case to show that this was a dib rah tiff process by a very intelligent man who wanted to do this. >> reporter: evidence has been taken from holmes' apartment including computers that's being analyzed by the fbi now. that court appearance is scheduled for this morning. norah, charlie. >> jeff glor, thank you. we're learning more this morning
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about the alleged shooter. jim axelrod is outside the jail in centennial, colorado, where james holmes is behind bars. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah. right now, james holmes is in solitary confinement in arapahoe county jail. he's scheduled tok moved through a tunnel into a courthouse where he will appear in front of a judge for the first time. at the lutheran church in san diego where james holmes' family worshi worships, members wrote prayers for the holmes family and the shooting victims here in colorado. pastor jerry borgie has known him for years. >> absurd and out of character of my understanding of this young man, the way he lived his life. he had some goals. >> the 24-year-old seemed to have few connections with people. yesenia lujan lives in the apartment building where he lives. >> we see everybody faces. >> but you never saw his face. >> never once.
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i lived here about eight months. never once seen his face. >> holmes didn't leave much of a footprint online, no facebook or twitter account. no manifesto or warnings what was coming. a resume on monster.com suggests high intellectual functioning. he was a phi beta kappa neuroscience major at the university of california riverside, as well as a camp counselor providing a positive role model for kids. according to his resume. but another online posting paints a much different picture. that's him with dyed red hair on the adult friend finder. a few weeks before the massacre. saying he's looking for a casual sex gal and asking, will you visit me in prison? >> the owner of a private gun range here tells us he received an application just last month from holmes asking to join the range. the range owner called the phone number listed. no answer. but says he was struck by what he says was a freakish voice mail greeting with a really
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weird voice. norah, charlie? >> jim axelrod, thank you. senior correspondent, john miller been covering this story since early friday. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. >> how did he prepare the suspect, and how prepared was he? >> well, he prepared very meticulously and apparently was planning this much longer than any of us thought. if you look at the online orders and the purchases, they go back four months. so we see an acceleration of that at the end of may, beginning of june with the actual weapons being ordered and the tactical gear. but a lot of the chemicals and other preparations go further back than that. we're talking about an expenditure on his part of of $14,000. $11,000 of which he's paid off. so without a huge source of money, one question is where did he get that? >> what do we know about the arrest, per se? >> well, he ends up having his gun jam, he transitions out of the ar-15 to the glock handgun.
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when he exhausts that, he walks out of the theater. and police in swat gear, are arriving at different entrances at the same time he's walking out. now, he looks like a tactical officer. he's actually wearing more body armor than some of them. that's when the officer notices his mask is not the regulation. why would he be lingering there instead of be gone? he was probably headed to his car, but his car is a hyundai hatchback, and i think if he had gotten into that car, it would have been obvious to those officers he wasn't a cop. he seemed to be hanging there. they challenged him and very quickly realized he wasn't april police officer. >> john, when we were sitting here friday morning, you and bob orr were the first to report there were buckets of ammunition inside the apartment. the question many are asking, how was he able to buy hundreds of pounds of ammunition and have them fed exed or delivered by ups and are there law enforcement official that is are now asking questions about
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whether that should set off some alarm bells? >> norah, that's very interesting. law enforcement officials are deliberate of staying out of politics. but there are a couple of organizations, international organization of chiefs of police, the major city chiefs where this issue will get pushed up and it will be interesting to see where they go with it. because the beginning of your question, the how is because, in most states, anybody can do that. >> right. >> it's legal. >> what do they expect to find on the laptop or hard drive? >> that's a careful process. they've got that computer. first they're going to mirror the hard drive and separate it from the computer. number one, you don't want anybody later saying they tampered with the computer or changed anything. they'll make a copy. then they'll go through a forensic process to go through there and bring back up deleted items. >> one of the things about today is, -- posed to a couple years ago, a lot of the stuff doesn't
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live in the laptop, it lives in the clouds. they have to get subpoenas and court orders for other providers. >> this apartment booby trapped. some dramatic pictures. how were investigators and officials able to blow up some of the bombs that were there in there? >> this is an interesting device. there's a device that causes physician and there are a series of redundant booby traps beyond that if they had managed to defeat it. they took the stuff to the range, kept sam ls for evidence and cranked the rest of it off. >> thank you so much. we'll be right back. the case against james holmes -- this is the first day of the legal proceedings which will take place in the arapahoe county courthouse. david is there. he's a former public defender. >> good morning, charlie. >> what happens from your office of the public defender today? >> well, from the office of the
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public defenders, they'll make their first appearance in court along with mr. holmes. mr. holmes will be advised of what he is in custody for and what they're investigating and the charges that are most likely to be brought. >> and the district attorney, i understand, is carol chambers. she's pretty tough, i understand two of the three people on death row have been put there in part by her. >> she is the elected district attorney. i don't know whether she's the one assigned to prosecute the case. but the decisions to be made about what should happen, what charges will be filed and what punishment they will pursue will be made by her at least in the short run. of course, she is term limited and come november, there will be a new elected da in arapahoe county that will be the individual that will then make the decisions on how to proceed. >> do you expect her to seek the death penalty? >> well, i'm sure it's going to be a very serious consideration. but district attorneys, those are one of the most important decisions they do make.
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i think it -- along with many other of the elected da's, they have to have a sober look at the case and the circumstances of this particular individual and to decide whether that is a punishment they want to pursue. >> think mental health would be an issue, you would assume? >> yeah, absolutely mental health. i think when you have a case like this, you have to assume that it's an anomaly. this does not happen on a regular basis each though, unfortunately, it is in the news too often. when something like this happens, you have to presume that there's something seriously wrong with the individual and have to analyze that and determine what should happen and what should be pursued. >> it has said that he is not talking. but has he talked to the public defender? >> i would assume so. i mean, i have not been privy to those particular conversations. but i know the public defender system. they are among the best public defenders in the country. the system is touted as one of the best in the country. they will be very focused on his
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defense and i assume will have spoken to him. >> david kaplan, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> my pleasure. in the next half hour, coverage of the tragedy in colorado continues. the baby-sitter who tried to save the youngest person to die in the shooting. we have a new report that claims israel spent special agents to london to protect its olympic athletes from possible iranian backed terror attacks. this a week after israelis were killed on a tour bus. >> benjamin netanyahu was asked about that report. >> we are vigilant about the possibility that they would attack elsewhere, but i can't give specific detail. but we're always vigilant. i can't give you any substantiation on nia tack on the olympics. >> tensions are already high between israel and the international olympic committee as they disagree over how to
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remember the 40th anniversary of the munich massacre. in 1972, 11 israeli athletes and coaches were murdered by palestinian terrorists. the committee is refusing a request from israel and a number of international leaders, including president obama, to have a minute of silence during those opening ceremonies in london. six months to the day after his death, a famous statue of joe paterno was taken down sunday as penn state prepares to hear about the severe punishment it will face in the wake of the sexual abuse scandal. >> armen keteyian has the story from pennsylvania. good morning, armen. >> good morning, norah, good morning, charlie. the sandusky scandal took another dark turn yesterday when the iconic statue of joe paterno was removed right outside here, outside beaver stadium. penn state was informed it's about to take an unprecedented hit from the ncaa. the pride and glory that defined joe paterno and penn state football will come to a
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record-setting end today. for all the wrong reasons. a top ncaa official has told cbs news, the unprecedented series of sanctions to be imposed by ncaa president mark emmert with approval by the association's executive committee and its division one board of directors center on the length and cumulative impact of the penalties. they include probation, the loss of football scholarships, a ban from post-season bowl games and a multimillion dollar fine. the official said the scope of the penalties is so severe, their overall impact will far exceed the so-called death penalty. any single season suspension of the program. >> the ncaa is going to come down with the harshest punishment. remember, this is a school that would pride itself on being one that never had run afoul of the ncaa justice system. it really had to change the way people are going to view joe paterno's legacy. >> in fact, yesterday morning, paterno's larger than life statue was hauled away.
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his memorial site outside beaver stadium covered up. everything is gone, every plaque, every word. every reminder of six decades at penn state. nothing left but the memories of a man who, in the end, said he wished he had done more. >> there are reports the fine for penn state could reach as high as $60 million. late last night i spoke to a very good ncaa source. he would not confirm any figure, telling me only -- and this is a word we've heard many times now" that the fine would be unprecedented. >> armen, what is the intent and what will it do to the penn state football program? >> well, i think the intent, charlie, of these sanctions are going to basically put the program out of business for quite some time. penn state's an elite program. this is going to turn them into an -- when you're talking about these cascading series, the
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impact of these suspensions, the impact of the probation, the impact of the loss of which is very, very critical, this is a designed effect to really send a very, very large message to penn state. >> so how will that message be received at penn state? >> well, it's not being received very well right now in many corners here, people behind me are talking about, even though the statue has been removed, paterno's legacy lives on. i think there's going to have a lot of talk about the economic impact and certainly the impact on the players here. many of these players were in elementary school when the seeds of this scandal first started back in 1998. so the question is, when mark emmert delivers this announcement today, what is going to be the impact on the players? will they be a lourd to transfer to other schools? >> armen, thank you so much. ncaa president mark emmert will be with us tomorrow right here
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in studio 57. time to show you some of the headlines around the globe. the arab league offered assad and his family a safe exit if he steps down. reports the guardian. assad shows no sign of relinquishing power. the arab league promise money to those fleeing the civil war. the san antonio express news reports 11 people were killed and 12 others injured in a pickup truck crash. the truck veered off the road and hit a pair of trees. about 100 miles southeast of san antonio last night. some of the victims were children. the washington post reports poverty in the u.s. is on track to reach a 46-year high. an a.p. survey says the poverty rate will rise from 15.1% in 2010 to as high as 15.7% putting poverty at the highest level in america since 1965. and it's a big day for facebook. "the new york times" reports the
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a young survivor of the colorado movie theater shooting speaks out about that terrifying day. >> i want it just to be a nightmare, just a dream. i don't want this to be real. >> she'll tell us how she tried, in vain, to save the youngest victim. and we go behind the scenes of the $700 billion bank bailout with a former watchdog. neil barofsky tells us about his controversial book on how main street america got left behind on "cbs this morning." ♪
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i probably will try to go back to the same movie theater and that auditorium again and just face the fears, get my owe mei emotions back together and sape i beat you, you didn't take my life. he didn't take my friend's life either. i pray and feel so sorry for the other families an the other men and women that didn't make it. i just can't imagine someone's life being taken away like that. >> what an incredible resilience. that was one of the victims wounded in the colorado movie theater shooting. welcome back to "cbs this morning." >> as the gunman opened fire in a darkened colorado theater, one brave young girl took action
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trying save the life of a victim. john blackstone has the story of heroism. >> at a vigil in aurora, friends and family remember the youngest person killed in the theater shooting, 6-year-old veronica moser-sullivan. >> very hard being a new mom knowing that -- she's an an he will in he heaven now. >> veronica's mother ashley is still in the hospital with wounds to her neck and abdomen. another member of this distraught family is 13-year-old kaylan who had been baby-sitting veronica that day and then went to the movie with veronica, her mother and two others. >> i want it just to be a nightmare, just a dream. i don't want this to be real. >> she went to a simple movie with five people and three of them got shot. >> kaylan's mother heather asked us not to use their last name.
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they agreed to share the story but did not want to betray family privacy by speaking of those wounded. >> to kaylan those are ones we really need to pray for right now. >> under slightly different circumstances, they never would have been in the theater. >> we were going to see it in imax. but they were all sold out. >> another showing was sold out, too, so they ended up in theater 9 and so did the gunman. >> people started screaming. even when i knew i kind of had an idea what was happening, i couldn't process it. it was happening way too fast. >> when the shooting stopped, kaylan called 9-1-1 and tried to give veronica cpr: veronica's mother was badly wounded, couldn't move. >> i just was begging the person just, please, try, please because we have to get out of here. >> as you heard the story of what your 13-year-old daughter
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had done -- >> the fact that any other kid in the theater went through this is upsetting. >> kaylan kept struggling until the police arrived. >> it's a horrifying picturing in my head what i saw that night. >> are you going to be able to go to the movies again? >> no. i have already made my decision that i do not want to go to another movie theater again in my life. >> so right now, even the smell of popcorn is hard to take? >> it's not even just the smell. it's just seeing popcorn. because when i was there, the first thing i ate was popcorn. and there was popcorn -- i put
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it down on the floor and like ten minutes after that, that's when it all happened. >> veronica's mother ashley remains in the hospital paralyzed from the legs down and has been told of her young daughter's death. >> i feel like, with everybody who has been injured that i was with, i feel like i should be strong for them. if they break down, i want to be strong and help them through their breakdown that they have at the time. other people have it much worse than i do. and other people are going thu a lot worse than i am. >> are you still hoping that maybe you'll wake up and this is all a dream, a nightmare? >> well, i thought that at first. but it's kind of, you know -- i'm realizing that this is real. >> kaylan volunteers to help the homeless. she once shaved off all her hair for a cancer drive.
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sounds like she probably is a role model for some people. >> yeah. she absolutely -- she is. yeah. >> now, the young girl who tried so hard to save another will get help herself. kaylan is starting grief counseling this week. for "cbs this morning," john blackstone, aurora, colorado. >> what an amazing story. i'm always struck by the fact that in these kinds of moments, there are people that step forward and show remarkable courage that they didn't even know necessarily was within them. >> and april 13-year-old here trying to save the life of a 6-year-old performing cpr. what an incredible girl this girl kaylan is. john blackstone told the story that there were people pulling
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for one another inside that movie theater. >> true stories of heroism. >> exactly. coming up, the man in charge of how $700 billion in financial bailout money says the money the treasury department spent was not the way he would have done it. they ignored his warnings about mortgage fraud. we're about to meet the former inspector general of the tarp program and hear some of the harsh things he has to say about treasury secretary tim geithner. >> tomorrow, we'll get geithner's reaction from the book. also that more conversation with the secretary about the economy and the economic recovery. you're watching "cbs this morning." ♪ watch out, wishful thinking ♪ ooh la la, read between the lines ♪ ♪ i know a blessing in disguise ♪
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confronted police and some threw rocks and bottles. police fired back with bean bags and pepper balls from shotguns. while a police dog grabbed a man as officers tried to control it. for 16 long months, neil barofsky was the man in charge of policing the $700 billion financial bailout program. it was known as tarp. he has written a behind the scenes look at how he says the funds were hiz handled. it's called an insight account of how washington abandoned main street and rescuing wall street. it's published by simon and schuster, a division of cbs. neil barofsky joins us now. >> thank you. >> tell us exactly and precisely what you're saying in this book about the bailout? >> when i got to washington, charlie, you saw washington had been hijacked by the interests of a small group of powerful wall street banks. they captured regulators' ideolo ideology. what happened and what i saw with tarp is that it went from a
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program that was supposed to help main street, reinvigorate the economy, help struggling homeowners. it only served the financial elites on wall street. >> my intention is that tarp was intended to stop a gigantic financial collapse of of the system. if they didn't do that and put confidence back, it would fall down. >> it was suppose today do that. throwing $300 billion at banks and trillions of dollars of other support just to preserve what is essentially a broken status quo that benefits really the financial executives, the institutions a little more, wouldn't be that impressive. that's why congress insisted and treasury promised more. they promised that the banks would take this money and use it to deploy into the economy and bring back economic growth which hasn't happened because of the way it was mismanaged. tarp doesn't get passed but for the promise of helping
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struggling homeowners. not going to pass the bill without that promise. that promise was abandoned. the reason why is, again, the interests of the bank were put first. secretary geithner when we were confronting him about this in 2009, gave us a good indication why. he said that the housing program, this thing that was supposed to be a $50 billion program to help 4 million people stay in their homes, it was for the banks as anything else. >> norah will come in here, but you went to washington in 2008 after the obama administration -- >> no before. i was a bush appointee. i crossed two administrations. i will tell you, charlie, it's not democrat or republican, it's across political pair yers. it's a major problem for this country. >> i know you're critical how tarp was managed. but you do acknowledge it helped to stabilize the economy. the auto companies are back. detroit did not go bankrupt. in fact, now chrysler is thriving. so what's your beef?
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i mean, there are many economists say it saved 8 million jobs. most of it has been recovered. the taxpayer money, about $700 billion, 83% has been recovered. >> again, these are good things. i'm not taking away. i was one of the first people outside the bubble to credit tarp with having done that. you can't look at a program just at that narrowly. this program was supposed to do a lot more for the american people. it wasn't an accident. this wasn't happenstance. these were a series of choices. the choices with not to deploy tarp fund to help main street and to help homeowners and as they were supposed to do and how they promised to do. the housing program was supposed to spend $50 billion. today it's around 3. that means that this treasury department chose to spend more money to bailout american express, a credit card company, than it did to deal with a foreclosure crisis that's holding our economy back still today. >> isn't that a reason because most people don't know about what funds are available to help them. as you point out $50 billion but only $3 billion has been spent.
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>> it's partly that. but horrific mismanagement of the program and about what the programs really were. we had strong indication, there was a lot more about helping the banks stretch out the foreclosure crisis than actually helping people. >> someone at home watching this, whose mortgage is underwater, what could the federal have done that they failed to do? >> we could have had a broader program including principal reduction. you have to remember when you hear officials that sort of complain about the fact that they don't -- that congress is stopping them, hundreds of billions of tarp dollars were left on the table and not spent to help homeowners. >> are you arguing that they should have gotten more money appropriated for the tarp program and done more or simply done more with the money they had? >> they should have done more with the money they had. they had $250 billion that they could have spent on homeowners and they spent 3. >> specifically, what are you saying about secretary geithner who was formerly head of the new york fed? what is it that you believe he
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did wrong? >> among other things, he presided over, made the policy choices to put the banks before homeowners. he oversaw a policy that saw our largest banks, the too big to fail institutions get bigger than ever and more powerful, more politically connected. >> that's dodd/frank, does it not that was passed by the congress rather than what the treasury did? >> first of all, he helped oversee making the bigger banks even bigger in the beginning of the crisis. then, as dodd/frank was going through and there were bipartisan efforts to potentially break up the banks, to try to break free their vice-like grip on our economy, again so we can have economic recovery and tim geithner and treasury administration led the crusade to fight that bill. to keep it from happening. you know, where we are in the economy today is partly the responsibility of secretary geithner and the bad policy choices he has made. >> the cause of foreclosure crisis has not been solved and the housing industry has not come back. >> potentially ten more -- 10
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million more people may face foreclosure in this country. these were avoidable problems and we're paying for it every single day in this stagnant recovery. >> neil barofsky, thanks. the book goes on sale tomorrow. we'll bring geithner's response tomorrow as well as his opinions about economic recovery, the european debt crisis and much more. that's tomorrow on "cbs this morning." look forward to seeing that, the colorado shooting has
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it is 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king in los angeles. erica hill is on assignment today. first, let's go back to new york where charlie rose and norah o'donnell have the latest on the colorado shooting. hello. >> hello o, good morning. james eagan holmes, a suspect in the movie theater shooting, makes his first appearance in court this morning. >> now, a motive for the shooting that killed 12 people friday remains unclear. but jeff glor is in aurora where there is still a lot of police activity at the scene of the shooting. good morning again, jeff. >> reporter: norah, good morning once again to you. as all that plays out, we watched a vigil here take place just across the street last night. it was pretty extraordinary to see all of these people stream
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in. it took place in a park just a short ways away from here. the largest gathering we've seen yet, even though there have been some smaller gatherings throughout the weekend. people leaving flowers and messages. all personal effects have now been removed from the theater here in aurora, although some cars remain in the parking lot, presumably those who were badly hurt or died early friday morning. police hope to finish processing this scene today. if that happens, it's possible the defense team would then have access to this theater tomorrow. and then it's possible that theater would be turned back over to the owners and might reopen on wednesday. charlie? >> jeff glor, thank you. john miller is with us, he has new information on the investigation. good morning, john. >> good morning. >> where are we as we move forward. the suspect will be in court represented by a public defender. >> i think what we're going to see going forward is, there's a little tv reading here.
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but you have a prosecutor with a history there and you've got a case that is clearly a capital crime. i think what we'll start to see in this hearing and particularly the next hearing, in this hearing, they'll tell him he's a suspect in a murder and the next hearing you'll unif you recall the charges. you'll see that this is going to be a capital case, which is going to immensely complicate it. but it will get him the best defense lawyers available. then we'll see an argument start that will go -- it will be the theme through the case, which is does he have diminished mental capacity. is he insane? ke assist in his own defense? was he responsible for his actions? the theme running through that will be the police and the prosecutors demonstrating from everything we've seen how extraordinarily intelligent he was and how capable he was in executing this. so the idea that he could be so extraordinarily capable and detailed, yet not know the difference between right and wrong will be the crux of this
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argument. >> the aurora police chief, dan oates spoke with you and bob schieffer on face the nation. what did he say about motive and what do police think about a potential motive? >> when i talked to dan oates and said, what happened in there as may goes to june that might have been the stressor that pushed hip over? >> when he dropped out of school. >> dropped out of school, starting ordering the guns. he said there was a relationship that ended that could have been a factor there. he didn't say what kind of relationship. so we've been digging around that certainly before that interview. what we've been told is investigators understand that there is a girlfriend. this is somebody they've either talked to or need to talk to. but they still haven't assessed whether that was a factor or how much. >> was he a loner. was he looking for love on the internet? >> he certainly was. that adult friend finder posting that we see with the bright red hair, they have gone through that and they found that that actually was his posting.
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he did open it up. that is his picture. now, ironically, since then they found 20 others that had been created by people who are not him. a different kind of joker who are posing as him on the internet. some of them are actually talking to people. you know, police have cautioned us, don't believe everything you see on the web. >> john miller, thank you. as we reported earlier, president obama was in aurora sunday meeting with survivors of the massacre. and relatives of those killed. both he and mitt romney took the weekend off from campaigning. also suspended some of their political advertising in colorado. but neither one has touched the political hot potato of gun control. it was left to new york city mayor michael bloomberg on face the nation to challenge both candidates to clarify their positions. >> this really is an enormous problem for the country and it's up to these two presidential candidates, they want to lead this country. and they've said things before that they're in favor of banning things like assault weapons. where are they now and why don't they stand up and if they want
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our votes, they better. >> senator john mccain said sunday that stricter gun control laws do not prevent violence. >> i think we need to look at everything. if everything should be looked at, but to think that somehow gun control is or increased gun control is the answer, in my view, that would have to be proved. >> major garrett white house correspondent for national journal. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. good morning, norah. >> looking at this issue of gun control, we always have a huge heated discussion, then nothing changes. >> charlie, i would say we haven't had a huge heated discussion in washington in a very long time. i got to washington in 1990. that debate raged off and on until 1994. crime bill was passed. republicans take over congress in '94 election. for the next 12 years, you heard virtually nothing in washington about gun control. republicans opposed it. democrats felt burned by the issue politically. al gore toyed with it a little
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bit. lost to president bush. since then, democrats have shied away from this issue at the federal level. at the state level, what has happened? 49 states have concealed carry weapons permits law. meaning you can, if you're registered, you can carry a concealed weapon in 49 states. what is president obama doing on gun control? he signed a credit card bill that allowed also to consumer protections. in there was an amendment allowing concealed carry in every national park and wildlife refuge. president obama expand theed the use of conceal carry on federal property. that's what's happened recently in washington. there hasn't been a raging debate at the federal level. anything, pressure from the nra and gun rights groups to have a access. >> that's the most interesting thing about the gun control discussion is that barack obama has disappointed gun control advocat advocates. as you point out, he's expanded gun rights and the reason is political. it's not just that the nra is
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one of the most, if not the most powerful lobby in washington. but guess where a lot of gun owners reside? in swing states. >> that's right. >> al gore talking about gun control in 2000 might have cost him florida. >> democrats have internalized that issue ever since. at the state level, as the issue played out and there's been an expansion of gun rights, it came up in the trayvon martin case in florida, part of this is stand your ground laws, castle laws, you can protect it, it extends to your car. all of these things are at the state level. expanding access for legal citizens to carry weapons and obtain them and get ammunition. >> debate, i meant the raging debate always takes place in the media after something like this happens. >> after something like that. what i found characteristic and interesting about the debate, it's not going to be advanced. i talked to democrats and republicans at senior levels in congress over the weekend, they said it's not going to happen.
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lautenberg, he will probably put something out there an amendment, not sure if it gets to the senate floor. it will die a quick and painless political death if it does. >> here's what's interesting. mitt romney in some ways has been more for gun control than barack obama when he was governor of massachusetts. he signed, as governor, a law to ban assault weapons and he only just recently joined the nra. do gun owners trust mitt romney? >> probably. in relationship to president obama because of this swift unification of the republican party behind romney, it's not going to be an issue. that he has to pass a litmus test. >> we saw both sides abandon or spend the campaign. >> in colorado. >> in colorado. >> but this does give the president an opportunity to be what presidents get to do. to be the nation's healer. and you saw that with the president's trip. >> yes. i thought the president understood that this moment was not going to be one where his
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rhetorical skills were going to really cover the national trauma. so what he did was found the most res nat stories of these individuals called upon in the most horrifying of circumstances to help their fellow man, either friends or strangers and used those to be part of a larger american story. i thought the president's remarks were by his standards, subtle and less overt about him and his story and much more about america and its story told through the eyes and actions of individuals on the scene. >> as he said i come here as a father and a husband. major garrett, always one of my favorite people to talk to and best reporters in washington. >> thank youment.
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that change, peaceful and constructive for all. those who look only to the past or the present, are certain to miss the future. do not pray for easy lives. pray to be stronger men. ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country. welcome back to los angeles. we usually get the weekend box office numbers from the movie studios late sunday night. but warner brothers is holding off on the dark knight numbers until this morning. ben tracy is here with us in the studio on how they're handling the situation over at warner brothers. it is a very dicey time for them. >> for sure. it was an unprecedented sign of solidarity in hollywood had this
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weekend. none of the studios released box office numbers on sunday. for warner brothers, this was part of walking a fine line between responding to this very human tragedy and managing what could be a major blow to its business. >> "the dark knight rises" was the most anticipated movie of the year. and the most important for warner brothers' bottom line. it was expected to top $180 million this weekend. but estimates leaked to the media peg the box office take closer to $160 million. that's still the third biggest opening weekend of all-time. >> the instantaneous knee jerk reaction when news broke of this, is nobody is going to go to a movie theater because they're going to be afraid. that's not happening. americans are very resilient. they know this was an isolated incident. >> yet at a theater in san diego, seeing batman was not escapism. it was different in the simple fact that i wasn't just
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engulfed in the movie. i was also thinking about my surroundings. what might happen. >> after the shooting in aurora, warner brothers canceled international premieres in paris, mexico and tokyo. the studio pulled the film's most violent tv ads and lowered the flag on the burbank lot. the actors expressed their shock and sadness while the film's director, christopher nolan, put out a statement saying "the movie theater is my home and the idea that somebody would violate that innocent and hopeful place in an unbearably savage way is devastating to me." >> there's a discussion side at the organization, how far should we go. >> michael sitrick is an expert in cry communication. >> what did they do right? >> i think they acted quickly, the statements they gave struck the right tone. there's a reaction and overreaction, right? you have to have a balance. it is a business. >> i think they've handled it
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very well. >> there's a lot at stake. batman is one of warner brothers' three biggest franchises much the batman, harry potter and lord of the rings films have made the studio $12 billion in the past decade. batman can be endlessly rebooted unless it's tainted by this tragedy. >> what we want to see over the long-term is how the film will do after the news of this kind of quiets down a little bit. certainly this movie is on the minds of everyone around the world right now. so that's a very high-profile place to be. >> now, many of the tickets for showings this past weekend were actually bought days ahead of time before the shooting. so the question now, is whether the ticket sales remain strong or if they drop off. >> that remains to be seen. i thought the man you talked to raised a good point. for the first time he was looking at his surroundings. it does change the experience of going to the movies, i think. >> for sure. other people were conscious about what seat they chose to sit in, in the theater. if you're going in the theater,
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a place to escape the rest of your life and be entertained, if those are the things you're thinking about, it's changed the experience of watching a movie. >> do you know if warner brothers ever thought maybe not to cancel but to maybe delay the movie for a second? >> it's hard to know what necessity talked about. i mean, you assume they went through all the various options. but this movie cost $250 million to make. they've spent $150 million to market it. there's so much money on the line. i think at some point pulling it out of the theaters or delaying it, probably wouldn't realistic. >> i hear reports of them toning down the violence of what they're showing. >> they're looking at future movies saying what's appropriate, what do we have to take out. >> ben tracy, nice to see you in los angeles. we'll be returning to aurora, colorado, where some of the survivors the mass shooting are sharing their stories for the very first time. we'll hear from them ahead on "cbs this morning." ♪ watch out, wishful thinking
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with heart that wanted to live and wanted to make the most out of lifelike a.j., is just -- it's sadder than you could even express in words. >> those are friends remembering a.j. boik over the weekend. he was a high school student who died in last weekend's movie theater shooting in aurora. welcome back to "cbs this morning." survivors along with friends and families of the victims of the colorado mass shooting will be forever linked by this tragedy. >> this morning we're hearing new accounts from people coming forward for the first time. they're sharing stories of heartbreaking loss and incredible survival. jeff glor spoke with them. glor good morning again, jeff. >> reporter: charlie good morning. many of the physical injuries will heal. the emotional wounds are a different story. not just for those here in aurora but across the country. for jay meloff, the loss of his girlfriend, jessica ghawi is still too much.
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>> we both had a lot of dreams and we both were very excited about our future. >> the two met about a year ago when ghawi, an aspiring sports reporter interviewed meloff, a hockey player, for one of her stories. meloff lives in toronto. the two of them were skyping just before the movie started. >> i was kind of falling asleep. she told me to sleep well. and that was five minutes before it all happened. it was the last thing that she ever said. >> ghawi, was at the theater with brent low back, her friend who had studied to be an emt. he survived and told his mother what happened during those awful moments. >> when you hear about what your son did, what do you think? >> he actually got shot about the same time that she did. so he -- when she was crying out that she had been shot, he crawled over to her and was applying pressure on her leg wound and he was focused on that and shooting bullets were flying
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everywhere. he said, all a sudden she stopped and he looked at her face and it was not good. >> alejandra cardona, her sister and friends were also trapped by the gunfire. >> i just screamed and when i screamed my boyfriend was like did you get hit? i said yes. he picked me up and ran me out of the theater from the upstairs emergency exits. >> cardona now has four holes in her leg and shrapnel left behind. she feels lucky. one of her friends, a.j. boik, did not make it out. >> it's harder to talk to my friends that knew both of us. because just how they're thankful that i'm still here, the fact that he's gone. >> even though cardona's injuries make it difficult to stand, let alone walk, she wanted to be at sunday night's vigil. >> i'm really lucky that i wasn't one of those 12 people. i really am thankful for that. god was watching over me that night.
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i'm still here for my family and friends. >> jay meloff knows this feeling too. he and jessica barely avoided a shooting at a toronto shopping mall just last month where two people died. >> something like that happens, no matter how aware you are of what we each have being here every day and being able to wake up every day, it just makes that, that much more precious and that much more special. i'm trying not to think so much about what her loss means to me as much as what her life means to me and what she still means to me. >> a memorial service is planned for jessica ghawi in san antonio on saturday. brent low back is hoping to attend if he's well enough. he's still in the hospital. charlie? >> jeff, it's amazing to see the people and hear the stories. there were stories of people
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standing in front of their friends, girlfriend, boyfriends so that they would not be shot. it's remarkable story. each time you meet one of these people, as you have done out there, you're just -- it says something quite wonderful about the human spirit. >> the sacrifices involved here are just incredible. it was incredible to watch this entire community stream in yesterday, and for those who have spoken, i have been really struck. some people don't want to talk about this yet. but for those who have, it is just remarkable, the composure and bravery they've shown, charlie. >> jeff, thank you so much. it is now 8:35. time to check your local weather. ♪
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for your broadcasting live from l.a.? >> yeah. let me just say 1:30 in the morning, but no complaints. no complaints. i'm really thrilled to be here because i wanted to meet jon cryer in person. that's one reason. the main reason i'm here, they asked me to co-host the talk weeks ago. today is the day. it lined up for today. that's why i'm here. i will be back tomorrow. i promise. >> all right. good to see you. >> thanks. >> good to see you too. good to see you too. norah, good to see you too. >> good morning to you, gayle. i love jon cryer. >> i do too. norah o'donnell says she loves you. jon cryer plays dr. alan harper on "two and a half men." he's played the role since 2003. for the first time in his diverse career, jon has been nominated for best leading actor in a comedy series. it's an emmy award for his work on the show. >> you got here quick. >> yeah. lindsey asked me to fix the
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garbage disposal and i didn't like the odds. >> so did you talk to zoe yet? >> yes, i did. >> how did she take it? did she cry? >> no. >> yelling? >> no. there was no yelling. i know that i said that i wanted to get rid of her and have you come back. >> oh, no. >> i love her. >> oh, no. i love the kid. >> no. >> i'm going to have to make it work. >> no, no, no, no. >> so you know it's good when even the clips make you laugh. hello, jon cryer. >> hello gayle. >> may i say what a good sport you are. it's extremely early here as charlie referenced. the news has been so upsetting. you came and i'm delighted to see you. can i hear your thoughts on aurora before we start? >> well, i think when you become a performer and you're in the entertainment industry, your biggest hope is just to entertain people. and to bring them some happiness
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and you work very hard on what you do and when you brio owe when something like this happens with tragedy, you know, i can - only imagine it's a nightmare for the people who are involved in the film. and obviously for the victims. you know, mental illness is such a horrible, horrible thing that human beings just don't know how to process. i think i'm in the same place that we all are. we're all just trying to process it. >> sort of numb by it. that's why -- another reason we're glad to hear you. even when they played the clip, people in the studio started laughing. are they laughing at your wardrobe or laughing -- because, when is he going to change his wardrobe. he's dressing like a 10-year-old boy. >> we actually have a very gifted costume designer. although you can't tell by what i wear on the show. god bless her, she's tried. she has tried. but at this point, the alan's
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costumes are a brand. >> it is true. >> starting a brand. >> you know what, jon cryer -- >> j.c. penney. >> i think you're on to something. >> let's say congratulations to you. you've been nominated several times, six, seven times. >> six or seven times. >> who is counting. >> lose track. >> you've been nominated six times. you've won once. you won once in 2009. this is the first time you were nominated in the lead actor category. i'm thinking, very smart move. how did that happen? before it was supporting actor. >> yeah. i would love to take credit for it. this is brilliance, smart move on my part. i was thinking this through. i was not. my publicist said, you know, jon, you're in the supporting category. but that's just not what you're doing on the show anymore. >> sure. >> obviously the dynamics on the show have changed. so she said you really need to change it. i said great, that means i will never be nominated ever again.
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>> competition is stiff. >> the competition is stiff. >> you're good. >> i'm good, darn it. >> you're good. >> and my publicist is confident i'll do the whole thing. obviously, she was correct. >> no, listen, i am cheering you on. you talked about the changes. there have been major changes on the show. what happened? >> so gayle -- >> what happened jon? >> let's take it back in time a little bit. >> charlie sheen has a very public ker flufl and cast changes are made, ashton kutcher comes on. i've been watching from the very beginning and i wondered how you guys were going to navigate the change. so far so good. were you worried is this going to work? you were so well-established, the show. >> of course i was. i didn't know ashton. i had met him once. >> you didn't know him at all? >> i didn't know him at all. i knew demi. we did a film together years ago. he and i had met once in the waiting room of a live with
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regis and kelly thing. he seemed like a nice guy. but we totally hit it off. that's the building blocks of the relationship that we have on camera. and mostly the writers on the show just stepped up in amazing ways. the fact that i got nominated is due to the writers on my show and ashton kutcher. basically, they worked together. >> did he worked together. but i think you're underplaying what you do too. i'm telling you, as you saw, people were laughing. sometimes it's the silliest of the things that you do. that's still acting. i'm curious about your relationship with charlie sheen. he said unkind things about you. traitor, troll. he said many unkind things. now he's doing a big mea culpa. he would like to make right with you. how are you feeling? have you seen him? >> you know, i have not seen him. i wish him well. the entirety of the whole situation was a lot of people who were worried about him.
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you know, he lashed out -- by the way, immediately apologized. owe said some things -- >> to you. >> not to me personally. but he apologized publicly, which is better than nothing. >> do you think he should apologize to you personally? >> you know, we've got some things to talk about. like i said, i wish him well. you know, a lot of the time when people are dealing with substance abuse issues, they don't -- they don't take well to the efforts made to confront them and talk to them about it. you know, i think that's what everybody in the world was dealing with in that particular case. >> you said it best. we have some work to do, you and charlie. let's talk about your daughter daisy. you're married with a lovely daughter daisy. >> yes. >> she's almost three. actually, you know, i know it's tough waking up this early in the morning. i, however, have gotten used to
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it to some degree. >> yes, i get it. >> actually more my wife. she does the vast majority of the child care. >> how long have you been married? >> five years. >> anniversary is? >> that would be fifth year anniversary is the new ipad anniversary. >> that's a lovely gift. >> that's the rule, actually. >> cheering you on always. again, thank you so much for coming this early. really appreciate that. >> what do you get when you mix bathing caps, bright red lipstick and oh, yeah, hip hop? the answer, the aqua lilies, it's a modern twist on the water ballet seen in pools. bill whitaker shows us a reinvention of the pool party. ♪ >> wearing vintage swimsuits and bathing caps, the aqua lilies look like performers from a bygone era. >> it's made up of dancers who
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learn to swim and synchronized swimmers who learn to dance. >> smiling please. >> performance artist mesha kussman is founder and directorment. >> it really is a hybrid of elegance and glamour, a little spicier, little more attitude, kind of modern day. >> the aqua lilies will be featured this summer at poolside soirees at the beverly hills hotel as part of the hideaway centennial celebration. >> it's fun to have things happening on the lip of the pool and on the surface of the water. >> in the past three years, her company has performed in pools across the country pushing their aquatic skills to new heights. >> so you're like the cirque du soleil of the pool? >> i think of us more like the radio city rockettes of the water. >> the retro look and feel harkens back to the golden age of hollywood when a competitive
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swimmer named he is they are williams became an actress and brought synchronized swimming to the screen in the '40s and '50s. the aqua lilies were thrilled to pay tribute to williams, now 90, when she came to watch their show in 2010. that was the year mary jeanette joined the team. >> were you aware of who esther williams is? >> oh, yes, yes. as a competitive synchronized swimmer, i've looked up to her my whole life. i feel so lucky that i have the opportunity to do competitive synchronized swimming as entertainment. >> a nice core. heads up. >> it's more than just entertainment. it's also a great way to get in shape. mary jeanette designed the aqua lilies fitness classes at the annenberg beach house in santa monica where they're making quite a splash. >> it sounded like a great chance to dress up in in terrific costume.
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and when you're doing something like this, you don't even notice that you're exercising. >> the classes will soon be offered in other cities and the performing troupe is expanding, auditioning new members in new york, florida and texas. >> i have a very specific vision. so i just won't stop until i think it looks really great. >> you are an inspiration. >> the ladies may move like mythical mermaids, but they all have day jobs. mary jeanette just finished law school. >> swimming at night and studying by day. >> now she's studying for the bar exam while keeping her skills sharp. >> we all have to train in competitive and keep our skills like treading water, kicking, being able to support ourselves in the water to be able to do this. >> and smile? >> and smile. that's the most important thing. >> wearing pink lipstick and a smile, the aqua lilies are driving into the very pool where esther williams trained.
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that's one smart baby. just like her mom. the suspect in the colorado shootings, james holmes, will make his first court appearance this morning. cbs news will bring you live coverage in a special report. you can watch for that starting 11:30 eastern, 9:30 central. gayle, we look forward to having you back here. hurry home. >> i will do that. >> get some sleep. as we leave you this morning, these images from the massacre in aurora, a moment in history we may never understand but will never, never forget.
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