good morning. it is wednesday, october 17, 2012. welcome to cbs "this morning." the presidential candidates hold nothing back in a fierce and fast-moving debate. we'll tell you who voters say was the winner. >> we'll ask joe biden and vice presidential candidate paul ryan how they think it went. >> millions of dollars of art are stolen in just minutes. what happens to it next? >> we begin this morning with today's "eye opener," your world in 90 seconds. i had a question and the question was how much -- >> you want me to answer the question. i'm happy to answer the question. >> and it is? >> president obama and mitt romney go toe to toe in a high

stakes showdown. >> governor romney doesn't have a five-point plan it's a one-point plan. the plan is to make sure that folks at the top play a different set of rules. >> i think you know better the last four years haven't been better. >> it looked like they were going to come to a shouting match and probably ask them to go outside. >> you have to wonder if the secret service would get involved. >> president obama did enough to blunt mitt romney's momentum. >> is there another state other than ohio? >> moderate earthquake hit southern maine. felt in all six new england states. >> next thing i know we hear rumbling and i'm chasing my food down the table. >> in san francisco a memorial was held for chris stevens, the u.s. ambassador who lost his life in an attack in benghazi, libya. paintings by picasso, month

nature and matisse stolen from rotterdam museum. $8 million sail boat flips over on a training run for the america's cup. thankfully everybody is okay. >> all that database >> he's paying a visit to a memorial when she stumbled. >> do you have a nickname for the pumpkin? >> the pleasure dome. >> bam. >> another mitt romney moment is going viral. >> went to a number of women's groups and i said can you help us find folks and they brought us binders of women. >> this is the moment this is the moment. the team worked on this. i justit share on facebook. >> i was going to tweet this. >> tre you go. >> welcome to cbs "this

morning." i'm norah o'donnell. charlie is out this time. this. >> i'm no comments about anyone being distracted or disengaged. president obama and mitt romney hit each other early and often in their second debate last night and in a cbs news poll 37% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate said the president won. 30% said romney won and 33% called it a tie. >> in that same poll nearly two-thirds said romney would do a better job with the economy while more than half said the president would do more for the middle class. in a moment we'll have reaction from vice president joe biden and republican running mate paul ryan but first nancy cordes is here she covered last night's debate. good morning. >> so nice to be here with you this morning. there were times last night where you felt nervous what's going to happen next. had a couple of combustible mix. a president with a lot to prove. romney fighting to maintain his momentum. and a format to let each other walk into each other's personal

space. >> not true. >> by how much did you cut it? >> we produced more oil. >> no, how much did you cut licenses and permits on federal lands and waters. >> president obama and governor romney clashed from the very first of 11 audience questions. >> i don't think anyone really believes you're a person pushing for oil and gas and coal. you'll get your chance in a moment. >> and energized mr. obama unleashed all the attacks his supporters were longing for in the first debate. >> governor romney said he has a five-point plan. he doesn't have a five-point plan he has a one-point plan and that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules. >> the president challenged not just romney's policies but honor midwesty. >> what governor romney said just isn't true. very little what governor romney just said isn't true. >> governor romney came loaded

for bear too. >> i think you know better. i think you know that these last four years haven't been so good as the president just described and that you don't feel like you're confident that the next four years will be much better either. >> the audience members were all undied voters and it was in response to one of their questions about women in the workforce that got the most attention online. governor romney explaining how he tried to bring women into his cab bet as governor of massachusetts. >> we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had background that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. i went to a number of women's groups and said can you help us find groups. they brought us whole binder of women. >> president obama brought. romney's foreign investment. >> mr. president have you looked at your pension? >> i don't look at my pension. it's not as big as yours. >> let me give you some advice. >> i don't check it that often.

>> you have investments in chinese companies. >> in one tense moment governor romney accused the white house of misleading the public about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi that left four americans dead. >> it was very clear this was not a demonstration. this was an attack. by terrorists. >> but the president came prepared for that criticism. >> the suggestion that anybody in my team, secretary of state or u.n. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. >> obama campaign aides were thrilled with the president's performance. he hit all of the points they wanted to and then some. but that made it all the more confounding for his supporters who said where was that president in the first debate two weeks ago and can he make up the ground he has lost in the polls. predictably both sides claimed victory the end of the debate last night. >> nancy cordes, thank you very

much. shortly after the debate i spoke with vice president joe biden and i asked him why this was a different president obama than the one we saw in the last debate. >> the president obama that i've worked with, sat with four to six hours a day until this campaign started is the guy you see tonight, the guy i see every single day. this is the guy that's absolutely committed to bringing the middle class back and you get this country on a road to recovery. so, i mean, i wasn't surprised at all by what i saw tonight. >> but you have to admit he seemed a bit more engaged in this debate than the last one, right? >> well, he was. he was. he had a great debate tonight. and i expect you'll see another great one next monday. >> why do you think president obama and your double digit lead among women voters has evaporated in the latest u.s. today gallup poll. what happened? >> that's not what the guys on

our team tell me. i think that -- i think that we still have a clear lead among women for a good reason and you saw it tonight. you saw, you know, when governor romney was asked about everything from, you know, what was he going to do about everything from lily ledbetter to equal payee obfuscated the issue. >> there was one moment in the debate where it looked like governor romney and president obama were so close that perhaps the secret service was going to have to get involved. what did you make of that moment? >> well i thought that was real. the thing i liked about this debate it was so real. you know, both men, you know, intent on making their points, and i thought -- i thought it brought a freshness, a real domestic to the whole thing in that town meeting setting as opposed to behind a podium or seated at a table where there's not much movement. but i wasn't worried about that.

i know them both. anyway, i wouldn't worry about them needing the secret service. >> speaking of stylistic things that happens at debates i want to ask you about your own debate with paul ryan. as you know "saturday night live" had a field day with that. >> it was good, wasn't it? >> do you think -- >> it was hilarious. >> do you think your laughing at paul ryan was overdoing it a bit. some people said they didn't like it. >> well i wasn't laughing at paul ryan. i was laughing at the assertions being made by paul ryan. some of the stuff that was being said in two minutes you get to answer were absolutely simply incredible. and so, i mean, it's fascinating how governor ryan, i mean paul ryan, congressman ryan has run away from the ryan budget and his voucherizing of medicare which he got passed in the

republican house of representatives and governor romney said he would sign it, all of a sudden somehow the air is full of that. it's laughable. >> mr. vice president i have to ask you about another thing in tonight's debate between governor romney and president obama. there was a question asked about equal pay and governor romney talked about filling his own cabinet in massachusetts where he said he was not presented with any women to fill his cabinet so he went to a number of women's groups and said you can help us find folks and they brought us whole binders full of women. what did you make of that remark? >> i've never had any problem when there's a job opening having as many women apply as men. i mean, so the idea that, that he got, you know, he had to go ask for help to find qualified women -- there's so many qualified women walking around in boston, massachusetts where the capital of massachusetts is,

and the state capital and so many qualified women walk being around every place in this country, the idea you got to go ask help to find one, i didn't quite understand what he was talking about. they are in abundance. >> i want to ask you about libya because certainly at the vice presidential debate that top jake came up. you said you were not told about the request for extra security at the consulate. i have to ask you, do you wish you had been told? >> well, i'm not going to speculate on that. look, what i said was absolutely accurate. neither the president nor i were told of the additional security request, as hilary has pointed out straightforwardly that request never got to the president or me. >> should you have been told? >> i'm not is going speculate on that.

there's an investigation under way. we'll see what it's all about. >> now let's hear from the other side. republican vice presidential candidate paul ryan is with us from arlington, virginia. >> congressman, ryan, good morning. >> good morning, anthony and norah, how are you doing? >> doing very well. let me ask you about the debate last night. there was a sharp exchange over libya and what happened in benghazi. the president said last night he takes offense to anyone who has suggested ey were playing politics after the loss of four american lives. do you accuse the president of playing politics with this issue? >> well, look what's so troubling about this, norah, is that five days after the attack, sent the u.n. ambassador out to suggest this is as a result of a spontaneous because of a youtube video. it took the president two weeks before acknowledging this was an act of terror. he went to the u.n. and mentioned the youtube video six times after the u.n. attack. that's what's troubling about

this. as the facts come out about the benghazi attack we learn more troubling facts by the day. that's why we need to get to the bottom of this to get answer sos we can prevent something like this happening ever again. that's what's so troubling about this entire episode. >> there was this sharp exchange in the debate last night where president obama said on september 12th the day after the attack quote no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation." the "wall street journal" editorial page, a conservative editorial page said this back and forth over benghazi was mitt romney's weakest moment in the debate. what happened? >> i actually totally disagree with that. it wasn't his weakest moment in the least. moderator said that he was right in the main on this, that she wasn't correct in pointing out that he made reference to this being a specific terrorist attack. he gave a passing reference to acts of terror in general. if this is what you're

suggesting this was as a result of a terrorist attack then why five days after the attack, four days later sent the u.s. ambassador out on the sunday talk shows to suggest it wasn't that, it was a mob reacting to a youtube video. why go on "the view" and not claim it was a terrorist attack. so, look, the facts just don't square with that line of argument. what's difficult and troubling about this is every time we learn more about these facts the more troubling it is and the reason democrats and republicans and congress are asking for answers is so that we can prevent something like this happening again. >> congressman, the governor used a phrase last night that's getting a lot of attention. he said when he was governor of massachusetts in recruiting female candidates for his cabinet he got binders full of women from some women's' group. what did he mean exactly binders full of women?

>> all he meant is he went out of his way to try to recruit qualified women to serve in his administration when he was governor. that's what he was saying. he has an exceptional record of hiring women in prominent positions in his administration. this economy has been terrible for women. poverty rates among women are at a 17 year high. we need jobs. we need economic growth. among those that have been hit hardest in this economy are women. he was pointing out that he went out of his way to find qualified women to serve in senior positions in his administration and he did just that and had one of the most exceptional record of governors in the country. >> the original question was about ensuring equal pay for women. does governor romney believe president obama was right to sign the lily ledbetter equal pay act into law. >> lily ledbetter was not equal pay law. equal pay was established in

previous administration. we agree with equal pay. what ledbetter did it opened the statute of limitations for lawsuits that could have occurred dedates after alleged abuses occurred. the point is, lily ledbetter was not an equal pay law. it was about opening up the lawsuits and statute of limitations. it wasn't an equal pay law. course we support equal pay. >> this is my first chance to ask you about your own debate against vice president joe biden. there was a lot made of the stylistic difference, the vice president laughing and smiling, interrupting you a lot through that debate. he told us he wasn't laughing at you, he was laughing at your proposals. how did that debate go, what did you make of how the vice president treated you? >> i thought it went very, very well. look i wasn't worried about how other people were conducting themselves. i was focused on offering the country a clear choice, offering ideas how to create jobs.

>> did you think he was respectful to you? >> we've had three debates now? look, i wasn't focused on how joe was conducting himself. i was focused on myself and giving the country a clear choice. that's what's been beneficial about these debates, norah. three debates, the vice president and president have not offered a single new idea about how to turn this economy around and create jobs. he has not offered a new idea how the next four years will be different than the last four years. what we're offering is to grow the economy and create jobs. >> congressman paul ryan, good to see you and good luck on the trail. thank you. >> few, norah. thanks. >> for more debate coverage our website is fact checking both candidates this morning and we'll talk with john dickerson and major garrett in our next hour. >> now to that growing meningitis outbreak. federal investigators searched the massachusetts pharmacy linked to the spread tainted steroid shots from the new

england compounding center are believed to be causing the outbreak. the contaminated shots are blamed for 16 deaths and at least 233 meningitis cases in 15 states. two members of congress want to know if the pharmacy violated federal law by not registering with the drug enforcement agency. >> time to show you this morning's headlines. "the washington post" says a federal court has thrown out the terrorism conviction of osama bin laden's former driver. he was tried at guantanamo bay in 2008. he was released a year later. the appeals court ruled he was convicted on charges that didn't exist at the time he was accused. >> the "boston globe" says an earthquake rattled much of new england last night. the 4.0 quake was centered 30 miles west of portland, maine. so far no reports of damage or injury. earthquakes are rare in new england. >> moscow times reports russia's prime minister declared a war against smoke. he's supporting a bill to ban

smoke in public places. he says 44 million russian smoke. that's about 1/3 of their population. >> in "usa today" a new survey finds 1/3 of homeowners expect their grown children or ageing parents to move in with them. the average size has gone up more than 12% because of tough economic times. >> the "wall street journal" says target plans to match its competitors online prices during the holidays. the idea is to keep customers from checking out merchandise in other stores and then paying lower prices on

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were stolen from a dutch museum tuesday. >> who would do

♪ in tough times the australian prime minister had an embarrassing moment this morning in new delhi, india. she was visiting a memorial and took a tumble. she said one of her heels got stuck in the soft grass. thankfully she was not hurt. she pointed out men get to wear flat shoes all the time. >> yes, we do. >> speaking of flat shoes, good to have you here, anthony. we should note police in the netherlands are looking for suspects in the largest art heist in history. >> reporter: with a level of precision only hollywood could

duplicate thieves broke into rotterdam's kruntshal's muse sum and walked off with seven weses of art washing. it reads like a test book in art history. they include a picasso, a matisse, a gaugin, and two monets. police arrived at the museum five minutes after the alarm system was triggered. >> we had state-of-the-art alarm system but somehow the people responsible for this found a way in and a way out and they found the time to take seven paintings. >> reporter: chris marinello, director of the art loss register said high level of sophistication it took to pull the crime off said thieves had inside information. >> police will be looking at

friend, relatives of various museum personnel, looking into their backgrounds. >> reporter: together the paintings have an estimated value in the tens of millions of dollars, which would make this one of the biggest hart heists in recent history. but marinello said despite the high value carried by tart the people who stole it will have a hard time selling it. >> you take these to vancouver, or somewhere you can't sell them. no respectable collector ordealer will touch them. >> reporter: the museum is optimistic the stolen artwork will soon be recovered. >> senior correspondent john miller is the former fbi director. john as he pointed out you can't shop this stuff anywhere once you've stolen it. who is typically an art thief. >> it's an interesting question. i know who we want the art

thieves to be. we want them to be like pierce brosnan in "the thomas crown affair." we want them to be this handsome, cultured, sophisticated thief who has an appreciation for art. the real art thief is usually a knuckle head. that's the short version. the long version is they are great burglars and thieves. they are lousy businessmen. that's because they spend a lot of time planning their way into,000 get the thing. but not a lot of time planning what they are is going to do with it after. we'll steal it, find the black market and then find the black market doesn't exist. >> how many former deputy directors of the fbi wear pink ties like you have on today? >> a few. >> just had to go there because we're talking about -- >> what's wrong with pink ties. >> have to say for the record they all wear flat shoes.

i think when you -- i'm moving us back. i think when you get to the art theft, what's going to happen with this stuff? one of three things usually occurs. number one they actually find a buyer and the buyer brings in a curator and that person is so far 100% of the time an undercover fbi agent. the second thing that happens is because they can't find a buyer they find the insurance carrier and say we can sell this back for the reward and some countries are on to this. in 201 great britain said you can't give the award unless it comes with an arrest. the third thing, a lot of the time we see these things end up in somebody's garage and crawl space and for that particular thief it sits there for the get out of jail card for the next time they get arrested. >> these guys go the fbi's top ten knuckle head list. >> but these are usually inside

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♪ get ready to go inside google's cloud the tech giant has 12 data centers around the world. they are the engines that make google run and they contain a lot of sensitive information about you. >> now for the first time the company invited cameras inside its top secret facility in north carolina. michelle miller went along for this story that you'll only see here on cbs "this morning." >> reporter: with all the patrols, fences, barbed wire and

steel barriers designed to slice through cars it would be easy to mistake this place for fort knox. but it's really a fwoogle data center. for many years the company refused to admit these even existed. even today no visitor may enter without first signing a in nondisclosure agreement. >> saying you won't take anyone authorized pictures or talk about anything you see. >> reporter: inside security is just as tight. retina scans determines who has access some of whom many google executives have. every single person entering and leaving is tracked. if more than one person enter the door at once an alarm sounds. >> have you ever had a breach at this facility? >> no. >> reporter: our tour guide is google's vice president, urs holzle. one of google's first employees.

>> my title was search engine mechanics and i picked that because everything was broken. google was down. searches took five seconds. >> reporter: now urs holzle is in charge of building and running all of google's data centers. >> in the industry you're known as the infrastructure czar. flattered by that? >> you know, yes. >> reporter: yes? our first stop the networking room. it's like air traffic control. every time a user asks google for something that request is first routed here and then directed to another computer on the server floor. how many servers are on this floor? >> for today we have 55,200. >> reporter: the sheer size and scale of the place is breathtaking. employees must wear ear plugs to protect their hearing from the roar of tens of thousands of

machines. >> e of these >> each of these are very powerful. >> reporter: when one goes down we see firsthand what it takes to replace them. >> right here. how about that? >> reporter: recently, the industry came under fire for being energy hogs. consuming huge amounts of electricity to keep servers running in air conditioned rooms. on our tour google was very eager to show us how they were reducing their carbon footprint here at the data center. that's because the company is very protective of its green image according to "wire" magazine. he's covered google for years and also got a tour. >> the opening up of data centers really comes from their feeling that they can't keep this to themselves. >> reporter: google reduced a lot of its energy consumption by raising the temperature on the

server floor from a chilly 68 degrees to a balmy 80. >> we're estimating we saved over a billion dollars through the history of google. >> only 10% of the electricity is not used to power its servers. another google innovation. replacing wasteful air conditioners with a water based cooling system. for all of the company's efforts to become energy-efficient a lot of their power still comes from nonrenewable sources. >> reporter: the power here is -- >> the power comes from whatever the local utility provides. >> reporter: clean energy? >> in north carolina, it's about coal. we're currently at about 35% of renewable energy and aiming to get eventually to 100%. >> reporter: google says it's the only time they will allow tv cameras inside their server floor but in an effort to be

more open they say they will put up video and pictures of all their data centers on their website. >> it's amazing how all of this works and that it works at all and the fact that they always do is really amazing. >> reporter: for cbs "this morning," michelle miller. interesting to see inside but i wonder if it addresses some of the privacy concerns. >> michelle came out with a printout of your whole search history. >> we'll be

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meeting? >> we expect them to roll out this ipad mini that's smaller and cheaper. that's what's consumers are responding to. over the course of this year we're expecting tablet sales to go up 60%. but within that the smaller seven inch tablet sales are going up 100%. consumers are veering that way. to give you and example why. you couldn't do this with a full size ipad. this is a competing google tablet but this gives you and idea what a seven inch tablet feels in your hand, smaller, lighter and the key here is cheaper. a lot of people look at the current ipad of 500 to 830 bucks. that's a commitment. that's more than i can afford >> you're carrying this around. >> i've gone to to the seven inch tablet. i have them both. i'm not carrying the full ipad as much. i'm using it as the tv room device, as the reader upstairs for reasons i don't understand because i like this guy whenever i travel and when i take to it work. >> what you're saying is size matters.

>> size matters. in this category it's about getting smaller because consumers want to spend less, they want to love less and they want to feel they are getting all they need without getting too much. >> so, is it just a reduction in size or are there going to be new features? is it fast center >> that's the key angle. what will they do to make it different. imagine if apple comes along with something that that does. they don't want to look like followers. their reputation doesn't go down that alley. i don't have a good handle on what the new thing would be. >> we think of apple of usually being ahead or breaking a category. >> usually. they usually break categories in terms of getting them mainstream. not first in smart phones or mp-3 players or not first in many other areas but first at making them really acceptable. that's their key. >> is there a concern at all people will stop buying the bigger iran pads? >> that's reason why steve jobs

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♪ it's 8:00. welcome back to cbs "this morning." president obama gets high marks for last night's debate and so does mitt romney. we'll look at who is likely to get a bigger bounce from voters and we'll hear the rolling stones at the beginning of their 50 year career. but first here's a look at what's happening in the world and what we've been covering on cbs "this morning." i had a question and the question was how much would you cut them by. >> you want me to answer the question. >> president obama and governor mitt romney hit each other early and often in their second debate last night. a pretty combustible mix. a president with a lot to prove. governor romney fighting to

maintain his momentum. >> this is a guy whose absolutely committed to bring the middle class back and get this country on the road to recovery. >> three debates, vice president and president have not offered a single new idea about how to turn this economy around and create jobs. they haven't present ad new idea how the next four years will be any different than the last four years. >> they are calling it a museum director's worst nightmare. a group of paintings were stolen from a dutch museum. >> the real art thief is usually already a knuckle head. >> how many servers are on this floor? >> today we have 55,200. >> how many former fbi directors wear pink ties. >> what's wrong with a pink tie. >> why are you in my studio? am on fire? >> the president got a lot of criticism for not being aggressive enough in the first debate. tonight he came out and

immediately karate chopped mitt romney in the throat. i'm norah o'donnell with gayle king and anthony mason. charlie rose is out this morning. president obama and governor mitt romney go back to campaigning today after last night's in your face debate. a fired up president was on the attack but romney did not back down. when it was over cbs news took a poll of uncommitted voters who watched the debate and 37% said president obama was the winner. 30% said romney won and 33% called it a tie. >> last night's debate had some very tense moments. questions about the attack in libya that killed ambassador chris stevens led to one heated exchange. >> you said in the rose garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. it was not a spontaneous demonstration. is that what you're saying? >> please proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript.

>> governor romney -- >> let's talk about immigration. >> i want to make sure. >> i could have you sit down governor romney. thank you. >> we produced more oil. >> how much did you cut licenses. >> here's what we did. there were a whole bunch of oil companies. >> i had a question and the question was how much did you cut them by? how much did you cut them by >> i'm happy to answer the question. >> mr. president have you looked at your pension? have you looked at your pension. mr. president how far looked at your pension? >> i don't look at my pension. it's not as big as yours. >> let me give you some advice. >> i don't check it that often. >> look at your pension. let's bring in cbs political director john dickerson and major garrett. good morning. major let me start with you. did the president do what he needed to do to get back in the game? >> he needed to inspire democrats who were depressed and

demoralized by the president's awol appearance in the first debate. number two he began a narrative that mitt romney isn't what he represents to be and his record doesn't match what he's saying now earth as governor of massachusetts or someone somebodying the presidency. that will be used by this campaign. this is a turning point for president obama regaining momentum and finding points to criticize governor romney. >> they both have a couple of a piece of me moment. they seemed to butted heads repeatedly. how do you think it played with people watching. people in the auditorium and people watching? >> in the hall there was a moment when governor romney sort of told the president to be quiet and stop interrupting him and there was an audible gasp inside the hall, the tension was affecting the people who had been told to be quiet and not, you know, pipe up at all.

i think that for partisans they felt both sides had plenty to feelnergized about their candidate. i wonder about undecided voter this is what i hate about politics on both sides that any actual clarity about the issues was totally obscured by their interrupting each other and obvious disdain for each other. >> major, i want to ask you about the debate last night because it's been a focus on women voters, new poll shows romney has come even with president obama among women voters and there was an exchange last night a question about equal pay for women and romney talked about get be binders full of women. did that remark hurt him at all or something he has to explain more about in the future? >> the obama campaign felt after the debate they achieved some significant breakthroughs on women's issues and use some of the thing that romney said in television ads.

binders full will be one of them. and they said we're not tied with governor romney with women. one poll does not indicate where we are. in swing states, they feel they have a substantial, important lead among women in those four states and what happened last night they believe they can use to expand or protect that lead. governor romney's people said the overlooking trend the issue for women and americans is the economy. the summation that governor romney gave asking president obama i supported you in 2008 why should i do it again? that's the most important tell on the economy and every other issue. >> what was the home run for each candidate? >> i agree with john's assessment. the contentious nature and thing we're portraying because they were dramatic, intense human moments does tend to discourage

non-aligned noncommitted voters. they are thirsting for data. those were chest pumping exchanges. >> they didn't seem to like each other. >> that's pretty clear. >> john? >> well i think the best moment for the president was his final answer when he talked, one of his objectives in this debate was to show that he was going to fight for these things that he said he was going to fight for. in his first debate he didn't look like he was very interested in what he was putting forward. here, he was really fighting for the middle class and was able to convey that in his final answer and i think for mitt romney his best critique was arguing if you want another four more years of this that's all you'll get with president obama. >> john dickerson, you

this will give rolling stones fans some big satisfaction. rare film footage of the band from a long lot of documentary. hello mick jagger. we'll show you what made them stand out even half a century ago on cbs "this morning". ♪ ♪ i woke up to a feeling ♪ every little thing has meaning ♪ ♪ i woke up to a light bulb on ♪ every little thing is possible now ♪ [ female announcer ] we've added a touch of philadelphia cream cheese to our kraft natural cheese to make it creamier so whatever you make isn't just good, it's amazing.

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♪ go ahead. take a moment and pick your favorite rolling stone. on monday the rolling stones announce their first concert for their 50th anniversary tour. we're looking at a lost piece of their history. the first movie ever made about the ban was never publicly released. as jeff glor reports stones fans are getting a chance to see it. good morning. this is good. >> good morning. there's not much we haven't seen or heard from the rolling stones in the last 50 years.

except maybe this. ♪ >> the year is 1965. and this is mick jagger singing the beatles. but this was just for warming up. because by this time the rolling stones had reached a defining moment. ♪ previously just a blues cover band, the group was now generating its own material. ♪ i can't get no satisfaction >> why of it so important for you to see them right there? >> look what happened to the bands that didn't? you know, i mean you're like an airplane without a parachute. it's a void. it's a necessary part of a band to have a voice. or else you just do duplication. >> i wanted to make it like --

>> andrew was the band's then 19-year-old manager who came up with the idea for this. shots of the band rehearsing, writing and composing while on tour in ireland. now include in a documentary "charlie is my darling." that's drummer charlie watts. >> i'm not a musician of that caliber. i have an inferiority complex. >> why did charlie stand out? >> indescribable. he looked like a french gangster style. he had the voice and resonance. >> charlie watts for whatever reason just jumped off the screen. what was that? >> i think charlie watts still jumps off the screen. at their finest, when mick is doing his roaster strut and keith is standing there propped up by some force of anti-nature with a cigarette dangling from

his mouth and to see charlie just kind of grinning and say there goes the kids again, his expression is priceless. >> don't be deceived. the film is much more than charlie. from the moody, messy brian jones. >> you're not the same person. >> to the surprisingly self-aware jagger. >> you're acting. you're doing an act. it's not really you. >> "charlie is my darling" shows a band teetering on the brink of international rock and roll stardom and struggling to figure out what it all means. >> jagger's ego, i mean he has said this himself, was one of the things that powered the rolling stones. and turned them into the juggernaut they would become later on. the idea that not only are we

this successful but we deserve to be this successful. ♪ >> in 1965 success meanting the biggest venue states in ireland, movie theaters. >> there's no moat. there's nothing to protect them. there's nothing -- you got this band that maybe doesn't even realize quite yet just how popular they are and 0-enthusia0 how enthusiast jake and excitable their fans are. >> i had to dislodge somebody's hand from the taxi. they had a weapon. it's just part of the buzz. >> they were rabid. >> yeah. >> couldn't get enough. >> couldn't get enough. >> in motel rooms, on trains,

the stones kept the music coming. and they never missed a gig. >> i've always known regardless how they may have appeared that they were soldiers and they never missed a date. they never fell over. >> warriors? >> yeah. long distance road. >> they knew that? >> oh, yeah. you know it. ♪ >> you just want to sing along, don't you? >> yeah. >> that's good. >> it's coming out on dvd in november and coming out on directv. >> they are still cool cats. 50 years later they just announced tour dates coming up in newark, new jersey and

london. one shot of the fans jumping on the stage, i liked mick jagger. looked like he was hitting mick jagger. that was a fan. >> these fans, you know, something kind of just overtook them. and it was the adrenaline and everything else and they didn't feel pain. it was this rare moment. >> they haven't figured out security yet. >> i've never seen them perform in person. >> i saw them, the voodoo lounge tour, syracuse, new york in 1994. >> saw them in 1994 too, yes, in washington at rfk. >> let's all go together. >> no. >> would you love music. >> date night. date night. tell your wife i'm very nice. i'm harmless.

producer chuck lorre thinks tv audience should be entertained every second even after the credits. we'll ask the man behind "two and a half men," "mike and molly" and "the big bang theory." he has a great resume. how he keeps things funny. chuck lorre right after this on cbs "this morning". ♪ >> this portion of cbs "this morning" is sponsored by sponsored by party city. nobody has more halloween for less. [ female announcer ] born from the sweet monk fruit,

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>> i'm not a loser. pic the ionary is not a true test of any intelligence or skill. >> in all fairness it has verbal skills, visual skills. >> a lot of tough talk for a man who can't draw a chocolate chip cookie. >> the big bank theory is one of half a dozen his created by

chuck lorre. >> they are called vanity cards and chuck lorre has written nearly 400 of them over the years. you can find his favorites in a new book called "what doesn't kill us makes us bitter." published by simon and shuster. i have to start with vanity card number ten. when i began writing these the principle was simple it's a vanity card so be vein. this is a very big book, chuck lorre. does this mean you're a vein man? >> they are not humility cards. just an opportunity to write some silly things down 15 years ago. >> you say silly things. when we were going through the book they are very poignant. a couple of times i felt i was reading your personal journals. you said there's an apology

letter to your dad. if you want to kill someone, if you want to kill someone you hate make them famous. it was cool to write your eulogy. very poignant and touching things bur life. like you were sharing your life with us. was that your intention. >> some therapy is going on. some self-help. at a certain point i realized i could write anything i wanted. i kept waiting for a cbs executive or back in the "dharma and greg" days to say stop we don't like this. at times it got personal, maybe too personal sometimes. i feel i had an opportunity to write whatever i wanted to and sometimes they would say no you can't put that on the show. >> we have to bring up 2011 a feud with charlie sheen who was in "two and a half men" and you used one of your vanity cards to vent. you wrote i don't do drugs, i

don't have crazy reckless sex with strangers. if charl why did you write that? >> i thought it was funny. at the time i thought it was funny. if you have to explain a joke then it's not funny. his initial reaction to it he thought it was funny as well. you know, someone out lives you, you're not pissed. you're dead. that was the hope that it did not play well. >> i'm thinking it was an angry time but a painful time. i was wondering how you would save the show. i would think it was a painful time for you. >> this was a friend of mine. we had 8 1/2 good years together. we did a lot of television together. everybody on the show loved the man. and we were worried about him. we were truly worried about him. a great deal of concern that he was going to -- he might die. >> are you friends today?

>> we've not spoken in two years almost now. >> you've been called one of the most successful comedy producers of all time. you've got three hit shows on right now. how do you do that? three hit shows. >> very efficiently. >> really? >> you run around and try to be helpful wherever you can and, you know, it's all about the writing. the scripts, you know, are right and we had great casts on all three shows. just getting the words right. >> what drives you? you said there's still a sense of insecurity that drives you river day? >> you want to put on a great show every week. last week's show doesn't count. you have to do a new show and there's nothing that you've done in the past that reflects on what you're about to do and as you know, you know, when you bring a show in front of an audience they ultimately tell you whether it works or not. it's humbling because you're wrong a lot. >> look at your track record. right now it's "mike and molly,"

big bang theory, "two and a half men." before that "dharma and greg." you were fired from "my little pony" for not capturing pony voice. it's funny now but probably not funny at the time. >> more importantly too i didn't even know you wrote, did you write the song for anyone gentleman turtles? -- ninja turtles? >> yeah. >> go ahead, chuck. turtle power. >> turtle power. >> because you have -- >> the one thing my children are most proud of. >> absolutely. absolutely. and what sort of musical background do you have? >> i was a journeyman guitarist for 15 years. playing clubs, bar mitsvahs.

>> tomorrow is chuck lorre's birthday. >> happy birthday. >> when you were coming on you said i don't do this stuff. you weren't that nervous. >> my heart is pounding through my chest. >> wasn't this painless? >> you guys were great. coming in to the dressing room and talking to me was helpful. >> no, no. tomorrow "two and a half men" guess whose on, miley cyrus. >> i think you'll enjoy it. >> i'm looking forward to it. i'm a fan chuck lorre. nice to have you. >> chuck lorre the name of the book is called -- how great is half moon bay? "what doesn't kill us makes us bitter" does on sale and all the

proceeds from this book goes to charity. maybe you think last night's debate had energy. but what about this? fast talking teenagers. they can go believe it or not 400 words a minute. we'll talk about these speed

♪ this is a car jack in progress. a man with a gun telling the driver in his pickup truck to get out. it goes from very scary to very quickly very funny because the gunman forgot something. how to drive a stick shift. he didn't get very far. finally he had to abandon the truck. crime does not pay. welcome back to cbs "this morning." do not try that at home, norah o'donnell. >> a knuckle head.

>> that's a knuckle head. >> well, last night the presidential debate may be remembered for being aggressive and sometimes hot tempered but mo rocca met some young people who have actually had some fun debating as they speed through the process. >> if it sometimes feels our candidates just aren't covering that much ground -- >> absolutely true. >> -- you might want to listen to this. few can argue like these fast talking teens on issues from russia. to poverty. and the economy. >> they are debating at speeds of nearly 400 words per minute, four times faster than the average person speaks. it may sound like jibberish but

this is serious. the topic is federal funding tore transportation infrastructure. >> you both go catholic school. >> yeah. >> you can do the whole rosary in three minutes. >> we could. that's potential. >> but it's no gimmick. content counts. speed reading called spreading packs more facts into a speech and scores more points for the judges. timers are every where running long is not an option. >> if you think you can play fast and loose with the facts when you're speaking at these speeds think again. these kids don't miss a beat. turns out their lightning fast

fast listeners and fact checkers. it comes down to what pennsylvania you use because some pennsylvania can write faster than others. >> if you're distracted for a couple of seconds you can miss a couple hundred words. >> it may cost you the debate. >> the breathing. >> yeah. >> the sharp intakes of breath. sometimes it sounds like you're crying. like that kind of a thing. >> yeah. that happens. >> really good interpretation of the way we breathe. >> they feared something else the first time they heard their son practicing. >> he said speed is just a small part of debate prep. he spend hours every day

researching content. >> here's a report. >> no won he went to national finals his junior year and when he's playing at home he never loses. >> we haven't won an argument in at least four years. we don't even gore try. >> i know it seems silly when we speak so fast as a result of that the ability to process information quickly, make decisions quickly and subsequently think about an issue from a multitude of perspectives that is helping already. >> time with friends is spent dissecting topics like the impending fiscal cliff or nuclear annihilation. he never watches tv. ditto his policy debate competitors. >> if you were asked to debate nicki minaj versus maria carey in their feud you would learn everything about that. >> we would do some seven. >> do you know who they are? >> i've heard of them.

>> i know starships. that's a pretty decent song by nicki minaj. but i don't know a lot about them otherwise. no. >> pop culture may draw a blank with this crowd but not politics. >> what could they learn from you? >> i think the importance of not just debating one issue, but debating the issues behind those issues. or even the underpinnings -- >> should they talk faster? >> yeah. they probably should talk faster. >> mo rocca is here. i like your piece. it sounds like jibberish. it does. >> it's not jibberrish. what is the point? i'm a convert. it requires extraordinary conversation. these kids listen with precision. >> does anybody hyperventilate. >> maybe at the finals it will happen. they are formulating rebuttals as this is going on. so if you blank out, if you get

distracted for a second you can miss an entire argument. >> this is a national competition now? there are other schools that are doing this >> there are other schools that are doing it in the chicago area. it's particularly big. i have to say it's kind of refreshing that these kids are totally disengaged from pop culture. i shouldn't say totally disengaged but they are so focused policy, the sheer. a content they have to absorb and generate and formulate for these debates. i don't know. >> i would be worried if my kids started doing that at home. >> if you hear the muttering through the closed door -- >> the breathing concerns me. >> they could be olympic swimmers. >> thank you, mo rocca. if you love -- cbs "this morning".

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♪ >> the x factor has two new hosts. they announced mario lopez and kim kardashian. hiring a kardashian is like having a vegetarian host a barbecue competition. >> ouch. >> the numbers are staggering. crime writer patricia cornwell has sold 100 million books in 36 languages in 120 countries. >> her new novel is the 20th featuring kay scarpetta.

it's about a woman who vanishes while digging for dinosaur bones. >> thanks for having me on. >> congratulations. i tweeted you hello, by the way. >> hello to you. >> i marvel at what it must be like four. have you been to times square and seen this blow up of you? >> haven't seen it in person but i'm aware of it. >> it's a blow up of the book. i'm thinking of how far we've come from a little girl where at the first book signing nobody showed up. >> the very first book i do which was a biography of ruth graham. they had a book signing for me and the parking lot was packed and my heart stopped. and it was everybody using the library. >> talk to me about kay scarpetta. >> she's such a fun character to work with. i never get bored with her.

she's a forensic sleuth. she's an italian cook. she takes care of her dysfunctional family. if there's a case no matter how impossible this woman is relentless and she will find the answer that everyone else misses. >> you basically, with this series of books kind of created the whole craze for foreinsics. are the mother for csi? >> do i. i have to admit when people tell me about the show and i cornered the market on forensics, how did i miss that boat? i wish forensic was as "star trek"ian as csi because we need more training in this country and it's not like what i write about or see on tv. i wish it was hat good every where. i think that what scarpetta did was make forensic science and medicine accessible to people. it made it for the entertainment industry to have fun with it.

>> there's so many entertainment shows whether it's "bones" or "csi," very attractive women forensic scientists, how did you come up with the idea of doing forensic scientist. >> i started out as a journalist. i get to a homicide scene and the body was gone. i wanted to know what did they do with it? what is the body telling these people. i was incredibly curious. so when i decided to try to write crime fiction i did research, medical examiner that got to see a facility in the labs. this was way back in 1984 where they were just starting to talk about dna and lasers and i said wow this is the world i want to know. >> i want seems like kay scarpetta and pa try va overlap. there's a very poignant story that at the age of 5 your father left on christmas day and you still remember that very vividly. i wonder what role that play? >> there's a parallel because

scarpetta when she was a little girl her father was dying of cancer and her earliest childhood memories are the ones of being able to take care of him. my theory about her why she wants to take death and put it back together again because she wants to undo his dying. this is the enemy. she understands loss. >> same for you. >> i do. hopefully it makes me a nicer person. >> the first book came out what year? >> 1990. >> i remember looking for a first edition of that book and it was priced at $1,000. >> first printing was only 6,000. one bad book review, 6,000 copies and i got $6,000. i was grateful anybody wanted to publish me. >> now that you know each other -- >> do you happen to have one he could have. >> we wouldn't be mad if you sign it. very nice to have you.

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