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♪ i'm a soul man -- >> dave: that was colton campbell from houston. >> paul: he was -- everybody tonight was exceptional. >> dave: nice, very nice people and it just goes to show you if you spend your time in this world doing positive uplifting things you'll get on t.v. that's -- (laughter) that's the lesson we've learned tonight.

our next guest -- here's a guy that you want and i don't know why you don't get him but here he is. three-time academy award nominated actor. listen to how much money his films have made. how much money do you think his films have made. >> paul: it's up there, i don't know. >> dave: $7.9 billion. >> paul: whoa! >> dave: $7.9 million. his new movie "the lone ranger" and he's a musician in in addition to being an actor. talented musician. and he'll be performing with our musical guest this evening bill carter. that will take place later tonight but right now, ladies and gentlemen, here's johnny depp. (cheers and applause) ♪ ♪

>> dave: how are you? >> i'm good. >> thank you so much for being on the program tonight. here's how dumb i am. i didn't realize that when you wanted to be in show business, it was going to be as a musician. you are a musician and that's what you thought you would be, a famous -- whatever, musician. >> yes. since i was about 12. >> dave: what is your instrument? do you play multiple instrument? >> mostly guitar. >> dave: you started in kentucky is that where you started? >> um -- yeah. yeah. (laughter) i think it was. >> dave: and then you went where? >> south florida. >> dave: and then you went to hollywood? los angeles? >> yeah. >> dave: and you were going to be a music star. >> well, not necessarily. (laughter) >> dave: but you wanted to -- >> i was going to be a guitar player. >> dave: and where did you see yourself as a guitar player? like a really good -- like a studio guy? >> not good, no. >> dave: oh, not good? (laughter) >> i was all right. >> dave: but you never thought about acting? >> never once, no. >> dave: that's crazy, isn't it?

>> yeah. it is now. (laughter) >> dave: so what was the turning moment? you're out there in california, you have your guitar and suddenly you're an actor. >> well, the sudden realization of, you know, rent and bills. (laughter) when that pops into your head you realize at some point you'll have to deal with the inevitable. >> dave: but you know, that story often goes the other way. somebody goes out there to be an actor and suddenly you got no money so they go to play the guitar to make money. you did it just the opposite. >> weirdly, yeah. (laughter) >> dave: how did somebody get your first gig if you were a guitar player? that means you weren't actually out there auditioning. >> no, my band, we moved from florida to los angeles. >> dave: what was the name of the band? >> at the time we were called kids. >> dave: kids. >> we actually were kids at the time. (laughs) >> dave: and so you and the kids are out there. >> yeah. (laughter) >> dave: i mean literally you

and the kids are out there. and so then what happens? >> you know, did some opening act stuff, that kind of thing. >> dave: who did you work for? >> open up for? we did some good shoes back at that time, billy idol and guys like that, the pretenders. >> dave: wow. >> ramons. (applause) >> dave: so then all of a sudden you're -- somebody calls and says -- what? i saw you on stage with the kids? >> no. (laughter) no, i was dead broke, you know? and i was filling out job applications at various -- well, anything, video stores or coffee joints or whatever and a friend of mine who happened to be an actor, nicholas cage -- (laughter) yeah. you've heard of him. >> dave: now how did you and

nicholas cage get to be buddies in those days? >> he was just sort of around all the people that i was hanging around with and we became pals and he sent me to his agent to -- you know, he said "i think you should try acting. "and i met his agent and she sent me to read for something and they hired me. >> dave: what was in? do you remember? >> that was "nightmare on elm street. the first one. (applause) >> dave: whoa! that's pretty good. >> i was about three. (laughter) >> dave: and later we got a man name bill carter who is well known in texas music and southwestern music or what they call americana, i guess. >> yes, yes. >> dave: singer/songwriter and you met him where? where did your path cross? >> dave: >> bill and i met -- bill and ruth -- >> dave: his wife? >> they're amazing song writers and i met them when i was doing

"gilbert grape" in austin. the (applause) yeah, we all just hit it off and they were my saving grace during that period because it was a long movie and so we -- i did the movie and then i moved in with them for a few months. >> dave: that's amazing. your movies are interesting movies and huge commercial successes. i mean, rarely do you get that combination consistently. >> it's got nothing to do with me, i don't think. (laughter) >> dave: i could have done any of those films. (laughter) and i wish i had, frankly! we'll be right back with johnny depp. (applause)

♪ ♪ (cheers and applause) >> dave: all right, johnny depp is here. i can't thank you enough. it's a nice night for us and hopefully for you as well. let's talk about "the lone ranger." i'm so excited for this movie. this is excellent and you're not the lone ranger. >> i'm not. >> you're his faithful sidekick. >> yes. >> dave: do you mind if i show these? these are great and the loan ranger is -- of course? >> arm m hammer, yeah. >> dave: and that's you. >> terrific, yeah. >> now, as i recall, the genesis

of "the lone ranger" is it comes from a dark story. is that the tone of your film? >> pretty much, yeah. the film is very dark back story and he becomes the lone ranger through tonto's guidance. >> dave: did this mean anything when you were a kid maybe after the radio broadcast when it was a t.v. show as well. did you like the lone ranger? >> i liked watching the series. i was always somewhat confused about tonto's position. i always felt, well, why does tonto have to do this? why is he sending the indian off (laughter) >> is that different in this movie? >> oh, yes, very different. >> dave: this tells it -- this looks like a painting. this looks like a charles russell rendering, doesn't it? that's fantastic. you look -- (applause) you look like you know what you're doing on a horse. >> yeah, i don't. (laughter)

that was probably about two and a half seconds before everything went very sideways. (laughter) >> dave: but i'm telling you, i mean, forget the movie. i'd pay ten bucks just to look at this picture! (laughter) so no but but you ride? you don't ride? >> i've ridden quite a lot in various movies and stuff and growing up in kentucky i grew up around horses. but every horse is different. >> dave: so you had to ride that horse at top speed? >> quite a lot, yeah. >> dave: how did that go? >> it went pretty well up to a point, yeah. (laughter) there was one moment in particular where it got unpleasant where the horses had been running, we'd been running them all day so they weren't really interested in slowing down, at all. so we went -- because we're shooting at a different place in the desert where there are these little things growing and so my horse that i was on decided to

jump a couple of these little obstacles. (laughter) the horse was unaware that the saddle that i was wearing was sort of jury rigged. >> dave: it was to give the effect that you were riding bare back? >> to give the effect i'm riding bare back so it's not really tight on the horse. >> dave: just a little tissue there. (laughter) >> a band-aid. and, so, yeah, when we came down i went and the saddle slipped and i went to the left and had the reins here and somehow had the where with awl to grab the mane of the horse and the next thing i saw-- all very come for some reason, i figured fear would kick in but it didn't-- i was waiting. (laughter) i just -- all i saw in front of my eyes were these very muscular horse legs, the stray united nations of muscles moving kind

of death machine. (laughter) and one word popped into my head. "hooves." >> dave: hooves. (laughter) >> hooves. in any case -- hooves. mind the hooves. >> dave: so what do you do when you're in that position? >> well, you make a decision. (laughter) will i go with the beast until someone rangels it? or will i drop? will -- it's a crap shoot. >> dave: sure. and what did you choose? >> i dropped. (applause) >> dave: we're being silly about this but you really could have been seriously, seriously injured if not killed. >> horrifically mangled. >> dave: you landed on your back?

did you get stepped on? >> i landed on my back, hit the deck pretty hard and the one thing that saved me was the horse's instinct to lift his front legs and go over me. >> dave: stepped over you. >> stepped over me. >> dave: broken ribs, strains, bruises, anything? >> no, he just kind of clipped me with his back legs so i was a little sore. >> dave: just kind of clipped you with his back legs. yeah, a good horse will do that. (laughs) but honest to god, where are the stunt people, for heaven's sakes? you're tonto! (laughter) you don't need that. (applause) well -- >> dave: exact same question i asked! >> dave: well, i can't wait for this film. now, when we come back your friend bill carter will be here, we'll talk more about bill and the music we're going to hear later. johnny depp is here.

we'll be right back." (applause)

♪ ♪ >> dave: johnny, i wanted to -- you're now publishing. i know you have a love of books and you've published this "new york times" best-seller already. this is a lost novel from woody guthrie about the dust bowl? how did you find the transcript

of this? >> it's -- it came to me through a mutual friend of hunter thompson's and myself, douglas brinkley, a brilliant writer and story and professor -- historian amazing. so he called me and said "i've just been shown the manuscript to woody guthrie's last novel. i think you're the guy. you should publish it." and so we went into it and just wanted to make the book as -- you know, as beautiful as possible since they're a dying breed. >> dave: and do you plan to publish other volumes? >> we have a couple things in line there's a thing we're doing with bob dylan. >> last night we had a group on doing sea shanties. from the -- the americans from a collection of sea shanty which is you produced and not only this is the second collection.

>> yeah, rogue's gallery. >> dave: this is the son of rogue's gallery. >> yeah. >> dave: and this is the music you came to doing "pirates of the caribbean?" >> yeah, on pirates 1 i was listening to a lot of sea shanties" just to stay in the field and gore and i, the director and i thought wouldn't it be great to have contemporary artists do this >> dave: bill, i'm sorry i forgot about you. what is -- did johnny explain the connection early when he moved in with you and your wife and you worked together musically. tell us about those days and what was going on? >> well, those particular days johnny was making movies and i was playing music, basically, is all i was doing and so we would go on his movies wherever he was around the world and play all the time. >> dave: you had a band. >> at one point we had a band

called "p." >> dave: what does that represent, the letter "p"? >> the letter in the alphabet. (laughter and applause) >> dave: i don't need to take this! and then -- but now you work together, you're going to play together tonight. >> yeah. >> dave: and tell us the history behind what we're going to hear tonight and the collection of music from which it comes. everything we need to know. >> this particular song is called "anything made of paper" and it's a song my wife and i wrote together we wrote for our friends damien and laura. damien was one of the west memphis three, imprisoned unjustly for 18 years. >> dave: this was in 1993? >> exactly. >> dave: accused and tried and convicted of horrendous crimes. >> yes, exactly. >> dave: then as it turned out they had been wrongly accused. and "anything made of paper, tell us that story."

>> so when his wife came to visit ruth and i she brought three roses made out of paper as a gift and i asked what i could send back from him and she said all he can have is anything made of paper so i immediately had this image for a song. >> dave: absolutely, right there. i could >> yeah, you could have easily written that song. (laughter) >> dave: so tonight we hear this song and working together on future projects? >> we're always recording, doing things we did something the other day for springsteen radio on the west of memphis, the sound track we recorded, johnny and i covered an ozzy osbourne song called "road to nowhere." so johnny's playing on this trick. >> dave: bill, tell me some of your buddies over the years from austin, your pals from texas. >> well my wife and i wrote a

couple songs for stevie ray vaughan "cross fire." (applause) i think most of them are songs from the fabulous thunderbirds, the hollies, tony price, a whole slew of them, freddie fender, waylon jennings. >> dave: good for you. austin is great, isn't it? >> no question. >> dave: all right, ladies and gentlemen, so now when we come back -- oh, the name of the band now -- >> bill carter and the blame. >> dave: bill carter and the blame. we'll be right back everybody.

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♪ ♪ (applause) >> dave: thank you, thank you, paul, here we go. our next guest a talented singer/songwriter, a musician from the great city of austin, texas. his new c.d. right here entitled "unknown." please welcome with special guest johnny depp bill carter and the blame. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ when i come to see you what will i bring? ♪ the wisdom of a poet the color of a dream ♪ i'll leave with three roses made from a magazine ♪ more beautiful to me

than any flowers in the spring ♪ and the feel of summer turning to fall ♪ and anything made of paper that's all ♪ that's all ♪ in the shadows of religion some think we find the truth ♪ where innocence is stricken without an ounce of proof ♪ while the wheels of injustice can turn mighty fast ♪ another blood moon of october will silently pass ♪ with words of love in a telephone call ♪ and anything made of paper that's all ♪ that's all that's all