>> my name is edward snowden. i'm 19 years old. i work as an analyst for nsa in hawaii. i sitting at my desk had the authorities to wire tap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if i had a personal e- mail. >> snowden was the security contractor with top secret clearance until tuesday of this week when he was released of that fact. he triggered a federal man hunt after he had begun communicating vie e-mail with the "washington post" and the guardian. he told about the details of prism operated by the nsa. snowden sent a video. he claimed that he blew the

whistle on the nsa to prompt a public debate about the program's legitimacy and propriety. he said that he had taken refuge in hong kong, the famed city and territory of the people's republic of china. he is resisting extradition to the united states so damage assessments are already under way in the nsa and the cia and the department of homeland security and in other federal agencies who secret's snowden is positioned to compromise. besides his decision to put himself under the jurisdiction of hong kong, the timing of the disclosure is of particular interest. so close to the critical summit between president obama and premiere g of china. chinese cyber intrusions were a top agenda item at the summit. so snowden's current revelations are seen as a

diplomatic embarrassment to the u.s. >> question, what is more agrege yes that snowden did to the nsa or what nsa is doing to american citizens. >> snowden broke his contract. he violated his oath. he betrayed american secrets. i think he damaged the security of the united states and i think he ought to be prosecuted. the national security agency have spent decades defending this country. what did we learn? that they have access to verizon's records and aol and yahoo and all the rest. but they can only access these records if they have found some connection to a terrorist and if they go to a court and say we need to access those records. by and large the guys working at the nsa are american

patriots who have put in decades at the silent service. there's a wholesale exaggeration, the potential for evil doing is huge as it is in the irs. but there is no single example yet that this has been abused. >> what is a fesi court. it authorizes -- >> is it an invisible court. >> yes. >> why are you talking about an invisible court. >> because that's the court that the national security agency goes to -- >> why don't have they have cabinet rank. >> because it's sort of the like -- >> is it an agency,. >> yeah. it's under the clapper. >> what is clapper. >> the head of national security overall over the cia. >> reporting to whom directly. >> to the nsa and the president. >> where is his office? in the white house?

>> it's a secret place. >> is it in the white house. >> he's the director of national security. >> i believe he's in the white house. >> , i don't this so. >> he is in obama's ear; right? >> of course. >> please continue. >> i have to say i agree with pat buchanan and i disagree with whatever little conspiracy you're trying to lay out here. >> i'm trying to lay out the players for the public at large. >> the director of public intelligence is a newly created spot because during the bush years we realized that a lot of the agencies were operating under their own steam. i believe this position was created. there is nothing nefarious about it. >> we do know who is on the court. >> if you're talking about the court -- >> who is head of the court so

far. >> the court was established in 178 to provide oversight so the government doesn't run amok. edward snowden is a loner, a libertarian. i don't think he is guilty of nitras on because he has no intent to betray, at least that we don't know about. he believes that he was doing the right thing in alerting the american people that this surveillance was going on. what is new is the extent of the surveillance. people understood this is what the nsa does. it's what it was created to do. now he has brought this out into the open. that's fair enough. let's have a debate and see if there are more safeguards. >> i think this man is going to be grateful to. >> maybe he will be. i believe he will be prosecuted under the -- >> get a warrant. go after a terrorist or a murder. but don't toll through a billion phone records every

day. that is unconstitutional. i am going to see if we can challenge this. >> ron paul wants to challenge spy programs to soother constitutional. the fourth amendment says, quote, the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, unquote. we know that the nsa gathers data from billions of phone records and vacuum so to speak of the nine largest intercompanies including microsoft, google, yahoo, and facebook. under the fisaa, this data

collection is legal. and many political people disagree with ron paul. chairman rogers says this. >> the nsa is not listening to american's phone calls and not reading the e-mails. none of these programs allow that. as a matter of fact the patriot act says that it is prohibited by law that you can read and wholly survail domestic e-mail traffic in the united states. >> question, who wins on this issue? senator paul or rogers? i ask you, susan. >> i think senator paul wins on this. people are walking around and covering up cameras on their computers. you talked about the fourth amendment. talk about an unreasonable search. you're in your house and looking at your computer and the can be watching you. they can tap in and look at your e-mails and listen to your

phone calls. that's by definition unreasonable. >> how about the whole back log in the computer. >> the whole idea of feeling secure and using your own telephone and computer while you're in your own home, it's the heart of this issue. >> they can go into your computer and see what is there? >> that is what the claim is. they are using the meta-data word. we're gathering the stuff, not looking at it. how do we know what anyone is looking for? how do we know who was looking at it? we have government contracts who have access to a lot of personal things belongings to americans. they're not directly working for the government. they're contractors. it seems there's no real control over the information coming in and who has access to it. that is a big security issue. >> what do you think, mark. >> i think you're leaving out something essential, which is the head of national intelligence and national security has basically indicated that dozens of terrorist attacks have been

stopped because of the information that we got. living in the world that we're living in, we have to see if there's a way of preserving that access. they are not listening to conversations or looking at the material. it goes through a special court with independent judges and the congress has approved it. this is something in this modern day and age that we have to find some way of dealing with, which is the levels of terrorism that we have never before experienced. >> that's right. and you have smart people creating algorithms so you look for patterns when you collect this data. >> excuse me. when you buy something online, do you notice that you get lots of ads relating to the merchandise that you are looking at. corporations are doing the same thing. >> if you want to cover the camera on your computer, you should have done it a long time ago. >> i want to show the extremity to which this subject moves. meta-data. >> to capture all of the e-

mails, internet searches, phone records and other information in industry called meta-data, the nsa based in maryland has built a 1 million square foot data center in utah at a stated cost of 1.2 to 1.7 billion. the utah data center stores and captures data in yota byte. if those pages were stacked, by the way, one on top of the other, the stack would reach to the moon and back 66 million times round trip. >> let's move that out a little bit. let's take an example of meta- data. amazon's kindle reports back every page that you read, how long it takes you to read it, what passages you underline,

and everything that you read on kindle. it's as if ceo is snooping over your shoulder. is that an invasion of privacy? >> no. this enormous data exists. >> yes. >> amazon.com, i order all of these books and they send me as eleanor says books like it, would you like to buy this. it exists. it goes into this huge pool. and nsa can access it if they have a reason to believe that someone is connected with terrorism. then they can go into it. >> then they can turn it over to a law enforcement agency. then they can go in. >> with a warrant. >> there is no privacy. >> the question is can nsa access? it already exists. >> it exists. if they want to target someone, they have to go to the court. >> exactly. >> the fisa court. >> yes. and get essentially what amounts to a warrant. >> this is the mystery

courtroom. >> because we have the luxury of having this conversation is because we feel safe and maybe we shouldn't. >> god bless america. >> i share that. >> they penetrate every part of your life. medical records too, i imagine. >> is there anything that cannot be found in the light of this? >> there is very little that cannot be found. let me put it this way. the bombs that went off in boston the day of the marathon, okay, there was information in intelligence that we might have been able to find out about these people in advance and we didn't do it as it happened. okay. we're in a different kind of world today and we have got to find a way to protect ourselves. otherwise this society will break down in ways that we can't predict. it's a moderate price to pay for the level of security that we need. >> the national security is shot through with holes. >> i don't know that i agree with you. >> who is violating whose rights? >> it is a balance here

protecting the country versus giving up your rights of privacy as an american. people are willing to say, okay, fine, government, look at me, take all of this data. i trust you. i mean, really? >> whose fourth amendment rights have been violated? >> if somebody went into my computer and got my e-mail, i would say i'm going to sue you. >> first of all, let's get to the exit question. if the government holds on to that personal data, is that an erowings of our rights under the fourth amendment? >> no. because data already exists, john. they just move it from here to there. >> that's right. they look for patterns. i want to quote david simon, the creator of the wire on hbo. he likens this not only to try to find the needle in the haystack. this is trying to identify the needles before they're placed in the haystack. this is what the information makes possible. and we don't want to surrender

that. and, you know, there have been no documented abuses. >> i feel better now. susan. >> none that we know of. that's the thing. this thing is so secretive and we accept it. >> what would you do, destroy all of the information. >> it's not much of a secret anymore. >> i want to reaffirm, reestablish, reroute privacy in this country. how do you do it. >> i don't feel that my privacy has been violated. what i would feel is if i was in a subway and the thing blew up. okay. >> we're going to have to -- >> this came out. >> well, so safety rules. >> of course. of course. >> you want to change the mood of this country, have terrorist attacks go off. >> you're so trusting. they weren't able to track down the guys in boston with all of this information. >> they can take you to all of the elements of your appetite.

>> i'm a vegan, so they're not going to have much to look at. >> when we come back, red lining.

>> issue two, red lining. on thursday the white house announced that the obama administration has concluded that the regime has used chemical weapons quote unquote multiple times in syria in the

last year, resulting in the deaths of 100 to 150 people. the white house also announced that in response, it would, quote, increase the scope and scale of assistance that we provide to the opposition unquote. question, is president obama making the same mistake with syria that bush made with iraq? going into a middle eastern quagmire? >> i don't think so. if he doesn't, he will have a middle eastern quagmire. there is a moment when there could be a transformation of what is going on in jordan, for example, because you have a sunni operation. what is going on there is asad is clearly winning, the rebels are losing, and the reason they're losing is they don't have the kind of ammunition that they need. that would be a huge change to

the region and to our detriment. >> so we have to remember that syrians and sunnies are located in different countries. and they will be reflected on a massive scale in the countries, right? >> if they wipe out the opposition, there will be implications, in jordan and other countries. so whatever happens here, you have implications that go to the whole region. >> hold on just one moment. let's assume that the head of syria himself authorized the chemical weapons deployment, quote, five distinct conflicts have become tangled together in syria. this is a quote.

>> so says war correspondent in the review of books. >> john, this has gulf written all over it. we are putting the united states into a war where our side has folks, al-qaeda people, jihad is on its side. we have no plans to win it. we have no plans to end it. we have no plans to get out. it is a sunni war throughout the entire middle east. we're getting ourselves into a conflict. it is insane and --

>> what do you think of that? >> the tonkin gulf was a made up incident. >> do you hear what pat says? >> he thinks this was made up. >> i don't believe the gas is made up. the brits have tested and the french have tested it. there's a belief that the red line has been drawn. bush wasn't drawn into iraq, he actively sought it out. he wanted to overthrow the regime there. he wanted a demonstration of american power in the middle east. boy, did that back fire? this president doesn't want to get involved. he has one foot on the brake all along the way. >> that's the problem. >> he's heading to the g7 summit next week. the idea of this increased military aid is an attempt to balance power on the ground. asad is winning right now and you don't want to go into the peace conference with him

winning. >> the problem now is that he's giving them weapons. it's not -- >> who is he. >> the president decided to help out a little bit in syria. they have crossed this red line. it's not enough to do any good. it's going to escalate things with russia and increase the cold war situation. >> why? >> i think it's political. >> why? >> for a number of reasons. >> he has control over the content of the sunday tv programs. >> he does not want to talk about what? he does not want to talk about what. >> your theory is the wag the dog theory, that they're trying to divert attention. >> other than what. other than what? >> other than the irs. >> the irs is the last thing that -- >> i don't think that's why he's doing it. believe me, if there is a collapse of all our alleys in that region, it will be a huge

foreign policy and that is a defeat for the united states. >> i agree. >> they are helping us. >> where are the turks? i don't know. >> you're right. president obama rue the day that he made chemical weapons used by the regime read line? will he rue the day? >> this could cripple and end his presidency. >> that is way overstated. >> will he rue? >> no. >> no rue? >> no. the fact that the fighters at the direction of iran are now in syria makes this a proxy war. the super power cannot sit on the side lines completely. >> susan -- >> he made a political move to send over weapons. >> will he rue the day? >> no.

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