hacking. historic news from the pentagon. the plan that could turn women into army rangers and navy s.e.a.l.s. plus, a leading doctor takes on alternative medicine. are vitamins a bad thing? >> but we begin this morning with a look at your "eye opener," the world in 90 seconds. >> at no point is any content revealed because there's no content in the database. >> i hear you saying i have no problem with what nsa is doing. >> because i don't. >> president obama defends the nsa surveillance program. >> meanwhile, edward snowden the man who leaked the information defended his actions during an online chat. >> leading him to stop talking. >> i hope, i pray and i ask that you will not release any secrets that could constitute treason. >> and talks of a g-8 summit president obama and president putin both agreed violence on syria has to start but they're far apart on how to do that.

the fbi is searching suburban detroit looking for remains of jimmy hoffa. >> the reputed captain. >> buried under a cement slab that's where our understanding is that the body should be. >> they're going to kill me. they're going to kill her. >> a man had to be restrained after he started ranting about the nsa and cia. >> clearly not stable. >> the black forest fire is now 75% contained. investigators say they are zeroing in on the source of the fire. >> left spinning. two men on board were thrown overboard in tampa bay. a good samaritan pulled the men to shore. >> all that. >> and lebron, 2-1 in the best of seven. >> a woman caught it all on video as two then threw down at a red light. >> and all that matters. >> the pentagon plans to release its plans for women in combat roles by the year 2016.

>> on "cbs this morning." >> dick cheney said he believes ed snowden are working with the chinese. i said, come on, dick, aren't we all working for the chinese when you really think about it? isn't that the way this is you really think about it? isn't that the way this is going? captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." good morning, norah. >> good morning. >> president world leaders are wrapping up the g-8 summit. sb >> the president sat down with russian president vladimir putin. they did not look happy. >> but first president obama is defending the surveillance of your phone calls and e-mails. from a wide-range discussion from a pbs program, it was the first interview since the surveillance effort was revealed. the president insists the national security agency's work is necessary and not invasive. >> so, point number one. if you're a u.s. person, then

nsa's not listening to your phone calls. and it's not targeting your e-mails unless it's getting an individualized court order. that's the existing rule. there are two programs that were revealed by mr. snowden. allegedly. since there's a criminal investigation taking place. and that caused all the ruckus. program number one call the 2015 program. what that does is it gets data from the service providers, like a verizon. in bulk. and basically, you have call pairs. you have my telephone number connecting with your telephone number. there are no names. there's no content in that database. all it is, is, the number of pairs, when those calls took

place. how long they took place. at no point is any content revealed because there's no content in the database. >> i hear you saying i have no problem with what nsa has been doing? >> well, let me finish, because i don't. what happens then, the fbi, if in fact it wants to get content, if in fact it wants to start tapping that phone, it's got to go to the fisa court with probable cause and ask for a warrant. >> has fisa court turned down any request? >> first of all, charlie, the number of requests are surprise lig small, number one. number two, folks don't go with a query unless they've got a pretty good suspicion. >> should this be transparent in some way? >> it is transparent. that's why we set up the fisa court. look, the whole point of my concern, before i was president, because some people say, well, obama was a raving liberal bral

befor before. now he's dick cheney. he took it lock, stock and barrel. my concern has always been that we shouldn't do information gathering. but rather, checks and balances. so on this telephone program, you've got a federal court with independent federal judges overseeing the entire program. and you've got congress overseeing the program. not just the intelligence committee. not just the judiciary committee. but all of congress had available to it before the last reauthorization exactly how this program works. there's a second program called the 702 program. and what that does, that does not apply to any u.s. person. it has to be a foreign entity. it can only be narrowly related to counterterrorism. weapons proliferation.

ki cyberhacking or attacks. and a select number of identifiers, phone numbers, e-mail, et cetera. those, and the process has all been approved by the courts, you can send to the providers, the yahoo!s, the googles, what have you. essentially the same way as you present a warrant. what will happen then is, you there can obtain content but again that does not apply to a u.s. person and within the narrow bounds glp charlie, this is the whoft in-depth interview the president has given in explanation of the nsa program. why did he give you a full 45 minutes? >> he wants to engage in a way that there was a back and forth about them. and have a chance to let people feel and see his thinking on these important issues. >> i kept reading through it and thinking here's the president explaining the surveillance program, 702, the 2015 program,

really in detail, trying to defend -- explain it in very clear terms to people exactly what the government doing. >> we'll talk more about it. we'll have much more from my interview with the president as he talks about china. and the charges that american company, targets but chinese cyberspying. also ask him why he decided to send more weapons to the rebels in syria. all of that head on "cbs this morning." nsa director keith alexander testifies today on capitol hill and someone claiming to be edward snowden, the nsa leaker, is defending his actions in an online chat. bob orr is here to explain. good morning. >> good morning, edward to stop the leaks, but snowden - himself is not backing down. instead, he seems to be looking for opportunities to talk to u.s. officials and defend his decision to reveal top intelligence secrets. >> consider what you're doing. >> reporter: in a direct plea, edward snowden's father asked his son to stop leaking classified information and

return to the united states. >> ed, i love you. i love you, and i wish you the best. i want you to come home. >> reporter: but on monday, while answering questions on the "the guardian" website, snowden promised to fight extradition from hong kong, saying the u.s. government has destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home. openly declaring me guilty of treason. the online chat which lasted 1 hour and 40 minutes, the former nsa contractor defended his outing of the federal surveillance program and challenged authorities to do anything about. the u.s. government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murders me, he wrote. the truth is coming and it cannot be stopped. snowden dismissed allegations that he might be a chinese spy. ask yourself, if i were a chinese spy why wouldn't i have flown directly into beijing, i could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now.

he also took note of this comment by former vice president cheney on sunday. >> i think he's a traitor. i think he has committed crimes in effect by violating agreements, given the position he had. >> reporter: some response, snowden wrote being called a traitor by dick cheney is the highest honor you can give an american. the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, the better off we all are. now federal prosecutors are still hoping to bring a criminal case that can meet hong kong's extradition requirements. norah, charlie. >> bob, thank you much. and now to the g-8 summit in northern ireland. president obama's main goal nailing down support for action in syria. but he is not finding help from syria's most important ally russia. major garrett is in sligo, ireland. major, good morning. >> good morning, charlie and norah. the white house described the atmosphere and talks between

president obama and russian president vladimir putin as business-like. well, this picture taken just after those talks broke up suggested other adjectives, awkward. tense. cold. indifferent. we asked the top white house official about all of this, and he just shrugged and said what you see is what you get. what we see is disagreement upon disagreement. the two leaders met for two hours. all they could muster were two vague statements one about the bloodshed raged after two years of civil war. and another a diplomatic conference in geneva. but that gathering has no fixed agenda or data by means on which to end the war. the united states here will send an additional $300 million humanitarian aid to the region

bringing it to just under $800 million. russia did not announce to send any humanitarian aid but made clear it will continue to send heavy weaponry to the regime. it is a watershed moment for the military today. the pentagon is expected to announce its plans to start integrating women into combat forces. that includes elite forces. david martin at the pentagon. good morning. >> good morning. the pentagon is moving to have women serve right alongside men. last january, they ordered to end the outdated policy can which limited women to serve in service engaged with combat. now the service would come back with their plans for how they would do that. the army would decide by the middle of 2015 whether women should be allowed to go through ranger training. and a year later, the navy would decide whether women should be

allowed to go through s.e.a.l. training. but it's not a done deal. the services could come back and ask to keep those units off limits to women. the issue is not can a woman make it through the training, but can enough women complete the training to make it practical to undertake all the other changes that you have to take when you open a unit to women. rangers and s.e.a.l.s could well remain all male. but thousands of other combat jobs and infantry tanks and artillery will be opened up to women over the next few years. charlie, norah. >> david martin, thank you. and the trial of boston mob boss james "whitey" bulger continues this morning. back on the witness stand, a former hitman linking bulge tore a string of killings. elaine quijano is at the courthouse in boston. >> reporter: good morning, john martorano is expected to face a

grilling from bulger's defense team. martorano is a convicted hit man who said at times bulger helped him commit murder. >> reporter: john martorano testified he was james "whitey" bulger was his partner in time and best friend. it sort of broke my heart, martorano testified. i was just beside myself. martorano was perhaps the most feared member of bulger's cruel hill gang. in 2008, martorano spoke with "60 minutes's" steve kroft. >> did you keep count of how many people you killed? >> never, never, never. until in the end, i never realized there were that many. >> how many? >> a lot, too many. >> do you have a number? >> i confessed to 20 in court. >> reporter: martorano was the first witness in the trial to directly tie bulger to murder. in unemotional testimony, he

described how he killed and told the court bulger would sometimes assist or ride in a second car, ready to act if anyone tried to interfere. bulger fled boston when he was tipped off by a corrupt fbi agent that investigators were closing in. he spent 16 years on the lam. he was arrested two years ago in california. police found weapons and cash stashed inside his apartment wall. >> first, we're going to talk about -- >> reporter: howie carr is a radio talk show host and the author of "hit man" which details martorano's life. what is his view of martorano now? >> he hates him. he would have killed him. he considers him a rat. whitely bulger is his son's godfather and he betrayed him. >> reporter: martorano spent 12 years in prison as part of a deal. bulger's lawyers are going to cite that deal as reason to

doubt martorano's credibility. >> joining us is rikki klieman. good morning. >> good morning. >> so how strong is martorano's testimony? >> oh, it's very strong. it's appalling, it's unbelievable that a psychopathic killer like john martorano is walking the streets doing 12 years for 20 murders that we know of. he is ice cold. he goes murder by murder by murder. if he were buying groceries. you take the eggs, i'll take the milk. i stabbed him, i killed him. he is highly credible and terribly pretty thing as if watching "sopranos." not only is this guy on the street after committing at least 20 murders, this say guy who's made money from the government and from other people with a

book and a movie. it really makes you bone chilled. and so -- >> but won't his credibility be at issue? >> yes, of course. now, he says, of course, that he committed eight murders before whitey even joined the gang. he can put whitey in the midst of 11 of 19 that he's charged with. but ultimately, you have three bad, bad people. stone-cold killers testifying against whitey. this is the first of the three. what we know, though, is whitey may not care about these counts. he may say it's okay to get convicted, but ultimately, always remember, it's the conviction about the two women that whitey says, no, i didn't do those. maybe these, he might say he did. >> so what will the prosecution do to prove that? >> well, ultimately, you're going to get to the other two cohorts. steven flemmi, the scariest man i can think of. i would tell you one, i'd sell

my house to prosecute john martorano but i would sell my hamptons house for flemmi. >> jimmy hoffa was last seen dining with mobsters, yes, 1975, and the fbi continues its latest search this morning for the former teamster boss. agents brought digging equipment to the a field yesterday. main you script from a reputed mobster claims hoffa was bound and gagged and buried in a cement slab. there's no evidence of hoffa's remains but digging begins today. it is time to show you some of this morning's headlines from around the globe. jerusalem lifted iran's election. and what it means for israel. rohanny won the election on

saturday. for now, israel faces a heart time getting support for the strike. "wall street journal" reports on nationwide demonstrations in brazil. demonstrators are angry for everything from cost of living to corruption. the arizona republic looking at the supreme court ruling on the state's voting law. in a 7-2 ruling, the justices ruled that they won't have to use a register form. the american-led nato forces handed over control this morning. the move comes nearly 12 years after the start of the war. u.s. combat forces will fully withdraw from afghanistan next year. and "usa today" says eating red meat can raise the risk of diabetes. a new study looked at those who increase red meat portions by a half serving a day.

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this is now a viral sensation. it appears to be showing a man in china carelessly unloading boxes on a conveyor belt. many of the boxes as you can tell never made it on the box.

>> if ever there's a statement of i don't care that's it. >> this video actually goes on for four minutes. and it's been seen more than a million times. no word what happened to this worker. apparently, a number of those boxes aren't fragile. your new dinner ware coming to your house. >> welcome back to "cbs this morning." coming up in this half hour, it is the list you do not want to be on the fbi 10 most wanted. that number has reached 500. former fbi insider john miller shows us why there's a good chance the latest additions will soon be caught. and more than 500 homes are now down in colorado's worst fire ever. investigators believe a person is to blame. it was it set on purpose? that's ahead. and scary moments aboard a united airlines plane. passengers were forced to tackle a fellow passenger.

michelle miller shows us several recorded the man's rants. >> they want to silence me. >> reporter: law enforcement was waiting on the tarmac at newark airport after disturbing reports from the air about an out of control passenger on board flight 116. >> your life is in jeopardy too. if you work for the nsa, if you work for the cia, if you work for the national reconnaissance, your life is in jeopardy. >> reporter: passengers say it all started about nine hours into the 15-hour flight from hong kong. >> people started looking at him. once he started reaching for his pocket, people got scared. a few of us jumped on him. put him on the ground. >> reporter: passengers and flight attendants were able to handcuff him. they say the man claimed he worked for an american embassy and made references to edward snowden. who leaked classified documents about u.s. surveillance programs. >> he was screaming something to the effect that he had

information about edward snowden. and that he was trying to deliver the information to the u.s., but he was being hauled away by the cia. and being taken away by some safe house to never be seen again. >> they're trying to inject me, trying to kill me. china is a better country. china is a better country. i know this now because i saw something wrong. >> reporter: we're told the disturbance went on for hours before the plane landed and the officials took the man away. they have not released his name for "cbs this morning," michelle miller, new york. >> strange story. >> it really is. >> very strange. john miller, what do you think? >> i think that was the boss of the guy who was loading the boxes? that's why i ask. >> we do want to talk about another story with you, though. >> there are two new names on the phi's 10 most wanted list. together they bring the total

number of people in that notorious group to 500. the list is an essential law enforcement tool. john miller is a former cia director. >> he is? >> you never mentioned that before. >> good morning, former assistant director. >> did morning. some day, i'll tell you how i lost that job. >> loading boxes. >> you sa it. this is about the 10 most wanted list, which is one of the most important tools in the fbi. it was literally invented -- there's a lot of stories, but the real story is, it was literally invented by j. edgar hoover over a card game when one of them said who's the toughest guys out there. they made a list. it was such a big hit in the newspapers, they kept it going because they caught two or three of these guys. now, this is a milestone because they've added the 499th and

500th. and when you have a program that dates that far back to 1949, and you've got 469 out of the 500, you know you've got something that works. so they chose these guys very carefully. and you've got walter lee williams. >> yes. >> here is not your average 10 most wanted candidate. he's a former professor from the university of southern california, taught anthropology. and he traveled around the world to the philippines, to thailand, supposedly for research. fbi believes that all of these trips were disguised to pick up children and continue his activities of being an alleged sexual predator. and he wanted for a string of those crimes. so he is one of those. the other one is jose manuel garcia guevara who is wanted for a rape and murder that was submitted in front of a child. so these are both very serious crimes. but how do you get on the 10 most wanted list? what's the criteria, who do they

pick and why? my office used to work on it and we would pore over the candidates, and you have three basic criteria. the crime serious. were they dangerous? that's one. number two, would publicity aid in their capture? meaning does everybody in the public already know about this person? when people asked why was osama bin laden on the list? that's because he went on the list in 1998 when a lot of people didn't know who he was or what he looked like. and then the last case, would publicity make it different? what you see on the success rate of the program, the answer is definitely yes. i predict they'll get both of these guys. >> whitey bulger was or was not on the list? >> whitey bulger was on the list. here's the funny thing. whitey bulger knows the power of that list, once osama bin laden was killed and that hit the news, whitey bulger woke up the next day and said i'm in trouble because i move up a notch and very shortly thereafter he was

in custody. >> let me talk to you about the inspiration for robert de niro's character in "goodfellas." they were digging in queens yesterday, why? >> there's the old story about the gangster who calls his son and says i'm very sad because i'm too old and too much pain to plant the garden and plant the tomatoes this year. his son hangs up and said, pop, i'll take care of it. he calls the fbi and says, i've got a tip, there's someone buried there. they dig it up. he calls his father and says you can plant the tomatoes now. this is kind of an annual -- stay with me, charlie -- this is kind of an annual rite of spring. jimmy hoffa. they're digging up jimmy's driveway since 1978 and

associated bodies along the way. there's a reason it happens in spring. they always get this information in february. and then they take a long time to get that warrant because nobody want to be throughout. >> this reminds me of a story about bob hope once that he had $500 million. and he came home and his wife, he said, well, who's been digging in my backyard. his wife said it was me looking for the 500,000. 500 million. >> i think they're looking for a body, that, we know. but i don't think we'd be surprised if they found money. out of a robbery, 5 million bucks, they recovered all of $20,000. what's out there somewhere whatever wasn't spent. >> john miller, thank you. and the worst wildfire in colorado history could lead to a criminal investigation. officials have ruled out natural origin near colorado springs. barry petersen reports that finding the cause may be even harder than putting it out. >> reporter: for more than 500 homeowners, destruction almost beyond belief, making the black

forest fire the worst in colorado history. and even more troubling, investigators expect the fire was caused by humans. it started here on the west side and roared to the east and then north, growing to more than 22 square miles. now, with the help of atf arson investors, the hunt is on to track the fire back to its first minutes. how do you get it down to a cigarette that somebody threw away? >> you know, you kind of work -- look at the burn patterns and work your way back to the point of origin. once you get to the point of origin, you look for clues. cigarette butts, footprints. tire tracks. >> reporter: but it doesn't always work, a year after this fire, 12 miles away burned nearly 350 homes, investigators still don't know if someone set it deliberately. >> there are fires that we look at. we just can't find the cause. >> reporter: veteran arson investor doug allen has more

than three decades of experience, helping in the conviction of a serial arsonist who was given the death penal foyer starting a california blaze in 2006 that killed five firefighters. he says it was solved using painstaking detective work with evidence from the forest and the suspect's home. >> all of these bits and pieces come together as a mosaic. it's like putting together a crossword puzzle. once all the pieces fit, you've solved the trial and the whodunnit. >> reporter: allen says if the fires were started it's vital to find the person soon. >> this won't be the person's last fire. they'll continue to set fires. >> reporter: "cbs this morning," barry petersen, outside colorado springs. it is an epic transportation project. but even the people of new york city had no idea what was going on beneath them until now. we'll take you underground. incredible pictures ahead on "cbs this morning." ♪

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♪ not far off the coast of st. petersberg, florida, two went were tossed from their boat from a large wave. the drivers boat kept going in circles until picked up. the boaters were picked up. more than a million people ride the new york city subway system. there is one line that no one has been on. it was planned over 100 years ago. don dahler shows us. >> reporter: the pictures at times look like something straight out of a science fiction movie set. an alien planet far, far away. but they're actually photos of one of the most challenging public works projects in the country. taken by photographer patrick kashan. >> i've got one of the coolest jobs in new york.

you do feel like you're in another part of the world. >> reporter: the plan will extend down eastern manhattan. 16 new stations connected by two 24-foot wide tunnels. at their deepest, the tunnels will be 134 feet below surface. drilled through solid bedrock. >> you have one photograph where there's this little machine that looks like a tonka toy in this enormous, or brightly lit cavern. >> it's the size, in the 72nd street cavern, it's just huge. >> do you ever get a sense it's dangerous? >> right away, you worry about your exposure, your composition and not getting run over by some tractor coming up behind you. >> if you asked me what is the biggest challenge, actually drilling in the densest possible urban area that you can find in

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♪ good morning. it's 8:00 a.m. welcome back to "cbs this morning." the g-8 summit takes on the crisis in syria. president obama pushes u.s. allies to stand against russia. meanwhile, the president tells charlie that china is stealing

from u.s. companies. we'll have more of their interview. plus, a doctor who says don't take your vitamins. but first, here's a look at today's "eye opener" at 8:00. >> nsa is not listening to your phone calls and it's not targeting your e-mails unless it's getting an individualized court order. >> someone claiming to be the nsa leaker is defending his actions in an online chat. >> snowden's father now is rging himself to stop t. but snowden himself is not backing down. >> the white house described the atmosphere and talks as business-like. we asked a top white house official about all of this, he just shrugged and said what you see is what you get. >> the pentagon is about to announce its plan to start integrating women into combat forces that includes elite units. >> james martorano is expected to face a grilling by bulger's defense team. >> he is right now highly

credible and incredibly scary. >> and this shows a worker carelessly dropping boxes on a conveyor belt. >> he is not stable. >> passengers were forced to tackle a fellow passenger who began screaming about conspiracies. >> that's strange. >> what do you think? >> i think that was the boss of the guy who was loading the boxes. [ laughter ] >> today's "eye opener" at 8:00 is presented by hilton. i'm charlie rose with gayle king and norah o'donnell. president obama is working to gather support on syria, as the g-8 summit wraps up today. the president is at odds with russia who backs see s the syri government. >> with the president in

ireland, major garrett. >> good morning, syria remains a divisive issue, is in supporting the government of bashir al asued as the united states moves to provide some military assistance to certain forces. the g-8 summit leaders are trying to come up with something to end the violence and come up with a diplomatic solution. on the one front, there was a breakthrough the united states and the european union agreed to negotiate a trade pact. talks will begin next month in washington. president obama will soon leave the summit for berlin and deliver a speech at the brandenburg gate just days shy of the 50th anniversary of john f. kennedy's famous speech with west berliners living in the shadow of the communist construct of berlin wall. president obama talked about the syria civil war in the pbs interview. he rejected criticism that he

should have decided earlier to send arms to syria's rebels. >> these folks are carpenters, you know, blacksmiths, and dentists. these aren't professional fighters. the notion that there was some professional military inside of syria for us to immediately support a year ago or two years ago -- >> but they were the syrian generals who were part of the syrian army? >> there were those who were a part. but i don't think anybody would suggest that somehow there was a ready-made military opposition inside of syria that somehow could have quickly and cleanly defeated this syrian army or assad or overthrown it. and one of the challenges that we have is that, some of the most effective fighters within the opposition, have been those who, frankly, are not particularly friendly for the

united states of america. and arming them willy-nilly is not a good recipe for the long term. the last point i'd make on this is, you know, a lot of critics have suggested that if we go in hot and heavy, no-fly zone, setting up humanitarian corridors and so forth. >> heavy artillery? >> heavy artillery, that that offers a simple solution. the fact of the matter is 90% of the deaths that have taken place haven't been because of air strikes by the syrian air force. the syrian air force isn't particularly good. they can't aim very well. it's been happening on the ground. >> so you think a no-fly zone is not necessary? >> what i'm saying is that, if you haven't been in the situation room, poring through intelligence, and meeting directly with our military folks and asking what are all the options, and examining what are

all the consequences. and understanding that, for example, if you set up a no-fly zone, that you may not be actually solving the problem on the ground. or if you set up a humanitarian corridor, are you in fact committed to not only stopping aircrafts from going over that corridor, but also missile have we mapped all of the chemical weapons facilities inside of syria to make sure we don't drop a bomb on a chemical weapons facility that ends up dispersing chemical weapons and killing civilians which is exactly what we're trying prevent -- unless you've been involved in those conversations, then it's kind of hard for to you understand that the complexity of the situation, and how we have to not rush into one more war in the middle east. and we've got -- >> people think that you do not want to get involved in another conflict? >> charlie, that shouldn't be just my concern.

that should be everybody's concern. we went through that. we know what it is like with a war in the middle east. it is very easy to slip-slide your way into deeper and deeper commitments. because if it's not working immediately, then what ends up happening, six months from now, people end up saying, well, you gave the heavy artillery now what we really need is "x." and now what we really need is "y." because until assad is defeated in this view, it's never going to be enough, all right? now, on the other side, there are folks who say we are so scarred from iraq, we should have learned our lesson. we should not have anything to do with it. well, i reject that as well because the fact of the matter is we've got serious interests there. not only humanitarian interests. we can't have a situation of ongoing chaos in a major country which borders a country like jordan which in turn borders

israel. and we have a legitimate need to be engaged and to be involved. >> he certainly laid out his position very well. and when you said, charlie -- when he said to you, unless you've been in the conversations, it's kind of hard to get involved with knowing the information he has. but you certainly challenged him. you certainly challenged him, what he had to say. what were you going to say, i'm sorry? >> 90% of the deaths that have taken place have not taken place because of the air strikes, that he's calculated this. everything -- the way he was thinking out loud in the interview and trying to explain to you. if we drop bombs we have the chemical weapons and civilian casualties. the humanitarian corridor may not work because of this. extraordinary to hear him think ought loud like that. >> you reminded me of this this morgue. remember when bill clinton was called even by the president the great explainer. i think he feels he's not done a good job in explaining his own

mind. and this was some effort to try to get at that, as you suggest. >> there's another part in the interview, too, where you ask him, why did it take you so long? a year ago you could have decided to help rebels. right. and he said a year from after we armed then, people say, why aren't you doing more. you end up slip-sliding into further engagement in the middle east. i think it's the first time we heard the president really explain his thinking on syria. >> i think there's also some sense he understands because he's been involved in withdrawal from iraq and afghanistan. if you get mugged, or drawn back into that, it interrupts whatever your domestic agenda is and your belief because you've got to fix america, too, economically and otherwise the return of an investment in the future. >> it was good to hear a long-term solution. the marriage rate in america is down to an historic low. a new estimate says more than

175,000 weddings have been put off since the recession began. now that the economy is improving, there could be more marriages in the next two years. a virginia company says that's because companies feel more secure about their financial future. the world's most definitive dictionary said "tweet" is now an official word. the oxford dictionary defines it as to make a posting on the social networking twitter. also to use twitter regularly or habitually. another term in the dictionary, how do you like this one "bad dancing." that defined as an awkward, unfashionable or unrestrained style of dancing performed by a middle-aged or older men. so i took the liberty of calling this morning they know you're dancing. and they wonder when you're coming back. they have videotape to document it. >> i remember that night. >> i've also seen charlie rose on the banquettes.

>> that reminds me of that. >> bad dancing is a term. >> you can also dance backwards. he's a man millions of americans believe in alternative medicine. but a leading doctor says this, we're wasting money. and we may even be damaging our health. we'll talk to him next on "cbs this morning." ♪

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believe in magic." it debunks treatments that says does not work. it's written by dr. paul offit of the children's hospital of philadelphia. good morning to you, dr. offit. >> good morning. >> you say there's no such thing as alternative medicine. either the medicine works or it doesn't. >> right. if the medicine works it's called medicine. if it doesn't work it's called alternative. >> you're talking about mega vitamins specifically, why? >> when you take large quantities of vitamins, five-fold, ten-fold, greater than the recommended daily allowance i think the data are clear that you increase your risk of heart disease, and shorten your lives. there's even one commercial actually where they have a woman taking a small preparation of vitamin c saying you would have to drink two gallons of orange juice to get as much vitamin c. you're not supposed to drink two gallons of orange juice. >> is your argument don't take

vitamins but don't take too many? >> that's right. >> as gayle pointed out, you say there are two kinds of medicine. there are a lot of people who use acupuncture who say it actually helped me. you say there's no proof that it helps? >> no, acupuncture does help people. it just has nothing to do with putting needles underneath the skin. you can use retractable needles. releasing endorphins which are these pain-relieving medicines that our body makes. that's right. the ancient chinese didn't know anything about human anatomy. >> are there supplements worth taking? >> i think there are four, folic acid should be taken by woman. i think vitamin d should be taken by babies whose mothers are exclusively breast-feeding an don't get outside as much.

and then the calcium and vitamin d, there the data are on both sides. >> i talked to david kelley who is a friend of steve jobs for "60 minutes" and david had cancer as well. and david talked to him go get good medicine right away. you believe what about steve jobs? >> steve jobs had pancreatic cancer. i think when people think about pancreatic cancer they think it's a death sentence. but that wasn't his tumor. he had an endocattic tumor. he waited. he thought this was an all natural thing to do and it ultimately cost him his life. >> but with respect to you, sir, isn't it dangerous to say if you never treated a person what might or might not be the consequence of this disease? >> i don't understand -- >> in other words, did you treat steve jobs? >> no, isn't it dangerous to say

what he might do when you didn't treat him with respect to survivabili survivability? >> you're, you know he it a neuroendocrine tumor. you know he suggestly delayed his surgery. you know those things. i think that adds up to the fact that he put himself at unnecessary risk by using an alternative course. >> so for steve jobs or anybody else, the most important thing to do when you have cancer is to go immediately to? >> someone who has expertise in treating the disease and not try to treat yourself off the internet. >> the name of the book is call the "do you believe in magic?" it was very fascinating to me. i learned a lot. especially the menopause section. coming up, the astronaut who became the true space pioneer. do you know who it was? next on "cbs this morning." are choosing advil.

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♪ welcome back to "cbs this morning." coming up in this half hour, vanessa redgrave has been recognized for just about every major acting award but her latest role made her nervous, she said. that's hard to imagine.

vanessa redgrave nervous. we'll ask her why that was. and the woman who gave up her life on wall street for the road less traveled. you'll see how she's quickly becoming one of the top names in cycling, that's ahead. right now, it's time to show the headlines from orlando the globe. "the new york times" said at&t is offered solar-powered charging stations. starting today, new york city, they can handle six devices at a time for all brands. and the service is free. it may look good but the "washington post" says bad things can happen if you wear high-heeled shoes. including calluses, corns, pinched nerves and joints and achilles tendons. this news is shocking to me. breaking news, everybody, high-heels are bad four. >> yes, but are you giving them up? no. i love a good corn and callus. "the daily news" dominos

gives its pizza imperfect triangles. that way they look rustic. oscar mayer turkey slices are no longer oval. and egg waffles. "detroit free press" says divers in michigan are looking for an historic ship wreck the beams could be part of a ship that disappeared in 1679. it's called "the griffin" the first ship to sail the upper great lakes. and "wall street journal" looks for better things for motion sickness. experts do not what causes it. the best advice, not getting queasy, always be the driver. and don't watch tv or read when you're in the car. and the "south china morning post" said a man was arrested for trying to stage a repeat of

tiananmen square protest. and president obama discussed economic and security issues. in an interview for pbs, i asked the president what he thinks about china. >> they have achieved such rapid growth. and they have grown so fast, almost on steroids. that there's a part of them that still thinks of themselves as this poor country that's got all these problems. the united states is, you know, the big cheese out there. trying to dictate things, perhaps trying to contain our lives. so i think what you're seeing inside of chinese leadership is the desire to maybe continue not to be responsible. not to be a full-stakeholder. work the international system on something like trade, for intellectual property rights. get as much as they can.

>> right. >> and be free riders, and let the united states worry about the big hassles and the big problems. at the same time, with the national part, saying, we're big, too, and we should be seen as equals on the world stage. what we're saying is, you can't pick and choose. you can't have all the rights of a major world power but none of the responsibilities. and if you accept both, then i will you will have a strong partner in the united states. so i'm optimistic about the future. but you know, what i've found working with the chinese government is candor, being clear about american values. pushing back when americans are trying to take advantage of us >> speaking of pushing back, what happened when you push back on the question of hacking and the serious allegations that come from this country that believe that the chinese are making serious strides in hacking, not only private

sector, but public sector? >> we had a very blunt conversation about cybersecurity. >> do they acknowledge it? >> you know, when you're having a conversation like this, i don't think you ever expect a chinese leader to say, you know what, you're right. >> caught red-handed. >> we're stealing all your stuff, and every day, we try to figure out how we can get into apple. >> and cyber. >> right. every country in the world, large and small, engages in intelligence-gathering. and that is an occasional source of tension. but it's generally practiced within bounds. there is a big difference between china wanting to figure out how can they find out what my talking points are when i'm meeting with the japanese which is standard fare. and we try to prevent them from penetrating that. and they try to get that

information. it's a big difference between that and a hacker directly connected with the chinese government or the chinese military, breaking into apple's software systems to see if they can obtain the designs for the latest apple product. that's theft. and we can't tolerate that. >> tell me turn to a number of things. before i do, though, the notion that you have simply continued the policies of bush/cheney. >> right. >> how does that make you feel? i mean, how do you assess it? because many people say, you know, you're bush/cheney light. and then people say, no, no, he's not that at all. he's tougher in terms of drones, in terms of many things, guantanamo bay. >> well, i haven't yet closed

guantanamo. one of those things you learn as president, is, you know, what have you done for me lately? if you didn't get it done then that's your problem. i accept it. that's my job. until i close quarterbaguantana they're right, i haven't closed guantanamo. when it comes to drones, i gave an entire speech on this, and what i have said is, and this is absolutely true, is that we have put in place a whole series of measures that are unprecedented. and we will continue to do so. you know, we ended enhanced interrogation techniques. we ended some of the detention policies that had been placed that violated our values. there are a whole range of checks and balances that we put in place. but i think it's fair to say that, you know, there are going to be folks on the left. and you know, what amuses me, now folks on the right who were

finding with a republican president and now obama's coming in with black helicopters. >> i did the interview. so it's interesting for me to see the president's mind at work. >> i thought the point he made about the chinese government. or the chinese military going in directly to try to steal apple's designs, that that is theft. of course what the u.s. government has accused the chinese of doing, not just apple, but our own military systems. and stealing our designs for military hardware. >> we talked about that by the interview, which i said to him, it is said that they're doing that because they want to bring their military up to parity. he acknowledged that was true, with the military, to bring it up to parity. >> you said it's to assess the president. but how does it happen, charlie. last friday, we're sitting here saying, what are you doing this

weekend? i might go home and mow the lawn. at no point did you say i'm going to the white house? when did that happen? how did it come together? >> after this program, i was talking to a colleague in my office, there was a call from the white house saying where are you this weekend? i said, where do you want me to be. >> yeah. >> and they said, well, the president would like to have a conversation about a range of issues. and you're the guy he'd like to have it with. >> there was that conversation about a range of issues. >> it's always good, in covering the white house, it's always interesting when you can talk with someone about important issue who can make decisions that affect those issues. >> no doubt. well, when we come back, vanessa redgrave. she's been on screen and center stage for more than five decades. guess what, she's here with us in studi

♪ vanessa redgrave is among the few actors to win, listen to this, a tony, an oscar and an emmy too, thank you very much. in the new movie "unfinished song" she plays a cancer patient who gets involved in a local choir to cope with other diagnosis. ♪ show me a smile and then don't be unhappy can't remember when i last saw you laughing ♪ ♪ if this world makes you crazy and you've taken all you can bear just cope ♪ ♪ because you know i'll be there ♪ >> "true colors." "unfinished song" opens in new york and nationwide july

5th. i watched your movie last night, vanessa redgrave. you know what it reminds me of, "a glee for seniors." at one point in the movie, you guys are ♪ let's talk about sex baby it was just a funny scene. did you enjoy it? >> yeah. >> clearly you did. because? >> well, i love singing, yeah. i think most of people do. >> but most of us can't do it, though. >> anybody can sing, that's the truth. >> check me because i remember -- well, you know what -- >> two out of the three, vanessa. >> you know, it reminds me, too, i have to say to your daughter, i was telling you in the green room, i met your daughter years ago on the red carpet. and she was so lovely and so kind. and i've never forgotten that. >> how was she kind? >> because i was a local yokel at the time. she acted like she was very interested in everything i had

to say. normally, you're sort of dismissive of local yokels, i mean. >> i had a chance to find out. >> you know what i mean about her being kind. you know exactly what i mean. >> i do, yeah. she's very open. very friendly, very open to people. but essentially young people. because young people get the rough and stiffer returns. >> they do. >> this movie is about music that brings three generations together. what attracted you to playing this role, this movie? what fascinated you about it? >> i think the fact that it was this -- this lady was wanting to sing until she drops. and she does finally. >> because she had cancer? >> yeah. i think i love the fact -- i like the song "true colors."

she thinks she's got the best husband in the world. she actually has. but no one else believes that. >> he's pretty cranky. >> but she knows his true colors. i think that's what actually attracted me the most. because people with true colors aren't always evident to everybody. perhaps nobody, because they don't show that sometimes >> hou. >> sure. >> you come from a great theater people. as you well know. you said i want to act as well, continue as possible all my life. you continue to do that. >> i guess that's -- yes. >> that's what i mean. that's my point. what is it that makes you just want to keep, as long as you can take a breath, you know, do what you do? >> well, i suppose it's lots of things.

i've gone far too long. i think it's because i've come to understand over the years that, first of all, that theater is not that i love the different meetings, but the theater's one place that, apart from the terrible prices of the tickets. it's the one place where everyone can come and where, where you've come from doesn't matter. your age doesn't matter. your religion doesn't matter. it doesn't matter if you haven't got a religion, what your politics, doesn't matter. you've come to listen and share and experience. churches divide people, with all respect, and people make their choices. but theater.

doesn't. it brings people together to listen. and there's not many chances in this world to listen and consider and take some things from it. >> well, congratulations on the new movie "unfinished song." thank you, vanessa redgrave. a woman quit the rat race to follow her dreams. she could be riding from wall street now to the olympics. that's next. and tomorrow on "cbs this morning" -- >> i'm bill whitaker at the port of long beach where customs are using this high-tech truck to break up a multimillion-dollar smuggling ring. >> it doesn't look like

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for others, their dream is walking away from a career like that. as our ben tracy shows us, riding away. >> it's a big experience to have to overcome. >> it is an experience. >> reporter: like a lot of people, evelyn stevens had not been on a bike since she was a kid. when did you get on a bike and saying i really like this. >> i was living in new york at the time. went to visit my sister, she was a passionate cyclist, i tried and loved it. >> reporter: it was 2008, stevens worked on wall street. >> i just wanted to be freer. i used to sit in conference rooms and look out the window and say i wish i could just fly away. >> reporter: so she did. stevens quit her high-paying finance job to see if she could make it as a professional cyclist. and you wouldn't have any idea how good you are had you not taken that leap?

>> no idea. i have to say it still surprises me. >> this is your office now. >> this is my office now. kind of incredible, right? >> stevens is now 30 and a pro cyclist. in 2012 she beat the reigning queen of cycling marianne vos of belgium. stevens became the first women to win one of europe's most prestige races. her coach was blown away with how much stevens can generate over a long term of time. in layman's terms what does this show? >> this says she's got a big engine. she can produce a lot of power and the more power you produce the faster you can go. you want to show me what you got. >> reporter: in boulder, colorado, we got a chance to see that engine. she was leaving me in the dust.

>> evelyn stevens is definitely unique. >> reporter: davis phinney won in 1984. his wife won the gold and their son. pushing her to be her very best. >> how good is she? >> i don't think there's a question that evelyn won't be the best rider in the world in very short order. >> reporter: the best? >> the best, yes. >> reporter: gyet, like wall street, every high-flying cyclist has one crash. >> i always say you can't physically crash when you work in finance. but you can physically crash when you work in cycling. >> reporter: three months ago she was going 35 miles per hour in a race and crashed right on her face. she needed 40 stitches and two new teeth. >> it's a hard sport and it's humbling. >> after your crash, it was it tough to get back on the bike? >> the bike is kind of my

therapy in a sense, so actually taking it away was really hard. it was the hardest part. when i started cycling it was what i love and know. >> reporter: her goal is the gold in the 2016 olympics. i'm going to try to keep up. go for it. she has plenty of staying power. for "cbs this morning," ben tracy, boulder, colorado. >> she said bye-bye ben. >> it's great to see people with a special gift find it and be

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