from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: today on "face the nation" will americans be safe at the sochi olympics. what is the tea party's plan now as new year begins in washington. as washington prepares for the annual state of the union address, we'll talk to the man who led the government shut down last fall. texas republican ted cruz, what is his next move? key senate democrat chuck schumer responds. with a sochi winter olympics near how homeland security michael mccoal just back from russia will have the latest on security preparations. and we'll talk with two openly gay members of the u.s. olympic

delegation, tennis great billy jean king and 1988 gold medalist brian boitana what could they expect. plus analysis on all of this from peg knee noonan of the wall street journal, legendary "washington post" reporter bob woodward, conservative william chris tall of the weekly standard and former white house chief of staff now cbs contributor william daly. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs >> schieffer: good morning again as you probably know by now there has been another mall shooting yesterday, a 19-year-old police have now identified as darion marcus aguilar of college park, maryland, took a shotgun and two homemade explosive devices in to a suburban mall in maryland,

shot and killed two people then apparently turned the gun on himself. plus there is a new threat against the sochi olympics that is surfaced this morning from the same group that claimed responsibility for the bombings in volgograd, rusha those killed at least 34 people. for latest on both of these stories going to the chairman of the house homeland security committee michael mccall he is m sochi. and i want to get to your trip but if you know anything more about the shooting at the columbia mall yesterday. we're told that police call it an isolated incident. i take that to mean this was not a terrorist thing. >> that's correct. this is not a terrorist threat at all. probably more domestic squabble. it does highlight the vulnerability of shopping malls two, shootings, targets like we

saw in the -- that's scenario we do not want to see happen in the united states. >> schieffer: what do we do? more security at the malls? what do you do to combat that? >> you can't have security lockdown at our malls things like canines, heavier canine presence, very good at detecting explosives. i know this individual had a backpack of explosives. but the fact is, bob, it's very difficult to stop a lone gunman who may have mental issues that wants to kill people. he can only do so much to stop that. >> schieffer: well, let's turn to sochi. i know you're just back, when you were there you said you wanted to come back and get more intelligence before you decided whether you would recommend that your own family go to sochi for the games. where does that stand right now in light of now another terrorist threat to the games. >> that's a difficult question to answer.

i would say we should not scare people from attending the olympics. it's a time-honored tradition f. we do not support our team and show up i think the terrorists are winning that's what they're trying to do here. having said that i say the security threat to the olympics this particular olympics are greatest i think i've ever seen. because of the proximity of the terrorists to the olympic village and just recently, bob, most significantly now we have leader of al qaeda from pakistan, afghanistan, now calling for global jihad against these olympics. as homeland security chairman that is very disturbing to me in terms of the security at the olympics. >> schieffer: let's talk about that a little. is this something, should we just cancel this whole thing, should we not put our athletes in harm's way? when he's talking about a worldwide jihad that sounds

pretty serious stuff here. >> it's concerning, it's a little spooky combined with the so-called black widows are seeking revenge for their husbands' death and one of these penetrated the ring of steel, if you will, i don't think it's time to be alarmist and cancel. if this thing gets worse maybe we would consider that. but remember this ring of steel has about 100,000 security officials, i saw them down there, the special forces, military, this is quite a fortified event. putin is putting everything he has from security standpoint down almost we have also had added our diplomatic security corps, fbi to help with the security. the perimeter is secure, the olympic village. i think the real threat lies outside this ring of steel where

soft targets can be hit quite easily. probably go fog see more of those, like you just saw with that train bombing you had on the program earlier by a suicide bomber. and they're calling for more of these attacks just as of yesterday. i think you'll see more of these attacks but outside the perimeter. >> schieffer: do you think we are getting the kind of cooperation that we need from putin himself? for awhile there he wasn't talking outside agencies and to us he said, we'll handle all this. is that situation changed at all? >> sense up get over there in russia is sense of nationistic pride. they do not want the united states to tell them how to secure their olympic games. we have delegate, i would say area of cooperation that could be most effective that is not happening is the intelligence sharing.

alsoil with respect to these ieds, being the weapon of choice for these terrorists. we have these jamming devices that could stop ieds from going off. we've offered that to the russians so far they have not accepted that offer. i would implore them to work with us on that. >> schieffer: all right. just tell us where we are right now, where does this stand? how dangerous is this, what has to happen here, what needs to be done? >> i think what brings this home, bob, i remember appearing on this show talking about the boston bombers trying to explain why this area is so important. this is a chechen rebels, this s the dagistan area, war with russia with 150 years now spun off in to a radical islamic movement. again, the concern -- my job is to look at threat assessments and protect americans. we are sending 15,000 americans

at these olympics, this latest development with the leader of alexi da there's no connection between pakistan, afghanistan and chechen rebels before although some would argue there's been support. for the first time coming out endorsing, blessing, calling for this global jihad against the olympics, wow, that gives me great pause. >> schieffer: all right. very disturbing news this morning but thank you, mr. chairman. hope you'll keep us informed. we want to turn now to the president's state of the union speech on tuesday and we're going to houston and the tea party republican ted cruz who led the shut down of the government last fall because the president wouldn't agree to shut down obamacare. senator, thank you are for coming. you have already released a list of issues you want the president to address in his state of the union speech. including you want a new investigation in to the bin good e controversy and i.r.s.

you want him to admit that economic program failed that, it was mistake to pass obamacare on partyline vote. senator, that sounds like you want a confession not a speech. >> what i put out are the questions that i'm hearing from texans all over the state. i spent a lot of time traveling the state of texas listening to texans and the questions they raise over and over again they say, why are jobs and economic growth so dismal? we've got the lowest labor force participation in over three decades, since 1978. if president obama wants to give an honest, candid state of the union address this week he'll address the fact that his economic policies are not working and that they're exacerbating income and equality. they're hurting the people that are struggling the most. each of the questions i put up are questions that the people are asking. i think the odds that the president will answer them are not high but it's what he should

if he was listening to the concerns that people are raising. >> schieffer: well of course what he would say is that he is creating more jobs, that unemployment is going down and on and on. but we'll leave that for the democrats talk about. let me askou this, you became a celebrity when you led the drive to shut down the government over obamacare. but afterward your fellow republicans said you led them over a cliff. can you conceive of any situation in which you would do that again, try to shut down the government in exchange or in demand for some action by the president? >> well, bob, with all due respect i don't agree with the premise of your question. throughout the government shut down i opposed it. i said we shouldn't shut the government down, i think it was a mistake that president obama and democrats shut the government down this fall. the reason they did so, is that president obama dug in and said he wouldn't compromise, he wouldn't negotiate. i went to one of the most surreal meetings i've ever been at where president obama invited

all the senate republicans to go up to the white house, in the middle of the shut down i invited you here to tell you i will not negotiate, i wl not compromise on anything. that's why we had a shut down. that was a mistake. but in terms of whether we should have stood and fought on obamacare, i think the proof is in the pudding. millions of people across the country have seen why we were standing and fighting because obamacare is a disaster. for the state of the union, one of the things president obama really ought to do is look in the tv camera say to the over five million americans all across this country who of ha had their health insurance cancelled because of obamacare to look in the camera say, i'm sorry. if you like your health insurance plan you can keep it. if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. that wasn't true. i'm sorry. but then, bob, here is the real quicker if you are really sorry you don't say you're sorry you do something to fix the problem. the pattern we've seen over and over again with this president is he says he's sorry, expresses

outrage then doesn't fix the problem. keeps doing it over and over. >> schieffer: let me go back the question i asked, would you ever conceive of threatening to shut down the government again? >> as i said i didn't shut down the government the last time. i don't think we should ever shut down the governmen i repeatedly voted -- >> schieffer: senator if you didn't threaten the shut down the government who was it that did? >> president obama. bob, i understand that the white house said over and over again the shut down is the republicans fault, i understand, that's what you're repeating. but the reality is, i voted over and over again to fund the federal government and the reason we had a shut down -- look, the democrats were very candid i know they told you we think the shut down benefits us politically right now the democrats are telling you that they want another shut down because they think it benefits them politically. it's hard to understand that they forced the shut down when they -- >> schieffer: senator, i know

what republicans were telling me like john boehner who said this was the disaster and never again. but let me ask you one more question here. the government is -- >> let me ask you -- >> schieffer: just a minute. the government is approaching another deadline, february 7th. when it will run out of money unless congress agrees to raise the debt ceiling will you agree to raise the debt ceiling or demand something in return? >> look, of course we should do something. we shouldn't just write a blank check. five years ago the national debt was $10 trillion that took 43 presidents over 200 years to build up $10 trillion in debt. now it's over $17 trillion. it's grown 70% with one president in five years. and if you ask any american outside of washington, should we just keep raising the debt ceiling while doing nothing to have fundamental structural control of spending to get washington spending problem under control?

it doesn't matter if you're talking to republican, democrat, independent, of course. and it's worth noting in the past the debt ceiling has been the most effective lever point for real structural reforms whether it was graham rudman who did great job getting it under control or budget control act. both of those came through the debt ceiling. what the president is saying is he just wants a blank credit card to keep growing and growing the dealt. i think that's irresponsible. i think it's irresponsible our kids and grandkids to stick that debt on them. >> schieffer: let me ask you something on different subject. do you think chris christie is still a viable candidate for the republican nomination? >> you know, bob, i like chris christie, i think he is brash and outspoken i think it's terrific he's been able to get elected twice as republican in a very blue state. i think it's unfortunate he's found himself in this mess.

i hope he can extricate himself. i'm rooting for him. i think he's an effective leader and i'd like to see him move on to governing new jersey and not being mired in the scandal. >> schieffer: will you run for president? >> well, look, my focus is on the challenges facing this country right now, on the senate. my focus, for example, on the abuse of power from the president. let's take something like the i.r.s. scandal. >> schieffer: i take that as a yes or no? or still -- >> what you can take that as that my focus is standing and fighting right now in the senate to bring back jobs and economic growth. economic growth is my number one priority. >> schieffer: thank you so much for joining us. we'll talk to you again. >> thank you, bob. >> schieffer: we'll be back in one minute. you can separate runway ridiculousness... from fashion that flies off the shelves. and you...rent from national.

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i'm just give you the chance to respond, what did you think of what senator cruz had to say? >> well, a lot of it sort of alice in wonderland. says the president's policies haven't worked, but he hasn't let them go in to affect. he's blocked just about everyone. i would say this, i have good news on the debt ceiling. i do not believe republic leaders will follow -- let me say that again. i do not believe that republican led leaders will follow ted cruz over the cliff once again. i believe we will pass a clean debt ceiling. that makes sense, we don't want to risk full faith and credit we can debate all these other issues at a different time and place. but i think they learned their lesson with the government shut down, not only did at the time party ratings plummet so did republican party ratings. and i think there's a new way of thinking in the senate and the house among republicans so that we can get more done in 2014 than we did in 2013 not just

going to mindlessly follow ted cruz and republicans over the cliff in to this hard line position unless we get our way, we're going to hurt innocent people whether by shutting down the government or not renewing the full faith and credit of the united states. >> schieffer: let me ask you about "the hill" newspaper ran headline said that chuck schumer had a plan to poison the tea party. i think we've got a picture of that maybe we'll show that before the broadcast is over here. do you? obviously you -- >> the question millions of americans are asking not just democrats but independents and republicans how can a small extreme minority paralyze the government. i think of plan how to deal with that. dealing with the fundamental contradiction in the tea party. the tea party elites believe government is evil. everything about government is bad and they blame all problems,

even noneconomic problems, problems that were caused with you the private sector on government. but the tea party rank and file is different. they have been fed this line that government is to blame but when you ask them about specific programs they are for them. they're more medicare. they want to keep it. they are for the government building highways which its traditionally done. for the government helping middle class families let their kids go to college. when we let them justifies anti-government theory on everybody. and the world is changing. the tectonic plates are changing. the average middle class person with his or her income declining wants help and they want a government to be not blocked and obstructed as ted cruz does all the time but actually to do things to help them. so we're going to focus on some specific things that we think have support even among tea party rank and file. like raising the minimum wage,

like make knowledge college more affordable to middle class families. like creating jobs by infrastructure growth. >> schieffer: let me ask you this, do you think there's any chance of getting anything done on immigration reform this year? >> i do, bob. let me tell you why. there's a lot of republicans who feel that they should do something, this is not a monolithism. economic conservatives like immigration reform and in fact many support it, the bill that john mccain and i put together in the senate. you have major republican groups, evangelical, christians, business community, hi-tech community, lobbying for this. speaker baner is now entertaining it. obviously he's not going to do it exactly the way we do but i would predict that we will get immigration reform done this year, another example of the mainstream republicans not just listening to the tea party but doing what's right for their country and for their party.

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>> now to help us understand what it all means. peggy noonan. bob woodward, former white house chief of staff turned contributor to cbs news, bill daly all of them here at the table today. bill, you actually have some news, i understand, because you've learned that republicans are going to present an alternative to obamacare? >> obamacare is a disaster not getting better but the best talking points, what would you do. just go back to the status question which wasn't great. losing health insurance allegedly with -- you asked me i just had to say it.

senior republicans layout the outlines of legislation which will become real legislation that would be conservative reform to obamacare it would deal with preexisting condition problem, tax credits for the poor, it would get rid of all the ridiculous bureaucracy regulation of limitations of obamacare. i think it will senators coburn of oklahoma who is retiring, very well ped. senator hatch the ranking republican will become chairman of senate finance and senator who is senior on health committee. this is seen just piece of legislation, it could get across the board support. there will be tweaks, but with the tax credits so forth. i think it will make it harder for the president and democrats to say republicans have no alternative. >> schieffer: will there be any chance that that could pass? >> republicans in the senate and i think 2015 you can imagine

republican house passing this, might even this year, whether he wants to abandoned obamacare sign on to sensible health care reform. >> schieffer: what did you think about ted cruz today? is he -- does he still enjoy the support that he had back whenever led republicans to shut down the government? >> i think he's fighting to regain his footing a little bit. i don't think there are too many people who say that was a huge success. what happened last time with the government shut down. we have laughter from democrat now because huge success is not quite the way he put it either. but could i note, if the republicans who are going to unvail their machine tomorrow if that plan is simple and marked by clarity and is not 2,000 pages is not too complicated for a normal human to get it, that might gain some purchase and go some place.

but to your question, ted cruz is trying to come back i think. >> schieffer: bill daly what about it. do you think there's any chance that republicans can come up with something to replace so-called obamacare? >> you hear they finally decided this is important issue that they ought to put some principles on it. the president i think has been very clear last -- make this better which i don't think it's perfect. we be the first to say it's not perfect. it is working better, those who have been praying for the collapse of reform and health care the thought this they may now be willing to engage is good. >> schieffer: what do you think is going to happen this next year, bob? >> everything and all of this looks like gridlock and deadlock. looks like people aren't agreeing, there are spending and taxing issues which could be negotiated if these people would

sit down that really could make a difference for obama and the republicans. and you listen to what obama was saying to the new yorkers, david remnik what's in the papers, looks like everyone is going in to -- we're not going to do anything mode. that's unfortunate. >> schieffer: we'll see. we'll talk to all of you in part two of our broadcast we'll stop right now. we have lot more coming up, we'll see part two here. ] yes? lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid. 100% real milk. no discomfort.

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>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation" page two. peggy noonan of the wall street journal, former house chief of staff now contributor to cbs bill daley. let's get back and talk about what to expect from the president's state of the union. we were just saying as we left, bob, it looks like not much. he's not going to make any big promises this time. >> small ball as bill daley was saying, no ball. and there are governing issues and if you look at this, i've spent some time looking at the democrats, obama has good ideas, the republicans have some good ideas they should sit down and

say -- i think one of the indicators here is over the summer obama had dinner with a bunch of c.e.o.s from the hi-tech world. and one of them asked the right questions, what are you worried about most? obama said, unemployment, second he said, climate change. third, he said, pakistan. now, number one issue, unemployment, how do you do the things the government can do that both parties have ideas and -- on the back of an envelope, bill daley could work out something that would be saleable to both sides. >> what i meant by no ball, it doesn't look like congress can play any ball game together. and that i think the president after very difficult year with very little done and partisanship and fight within republican party that seems to be playing out continually. and my opinion through at least '16 that the odds of something happening there are pretty slim. i think what the president is

going to do and what i think is a smart move is try to figure out how to use the government for each of those issues in a way that you don't have to go to legislation to get mired in this craziness that's been going on on the hill for too long. >> schieffer: you know, isn't he going to have to reach out more to the pill? i mean. seemed to me that, though, obama white house has some of the worth relation, is that i can recall since i've been in washington, with the hill. there was at one point where nobody knew who his congressional liaison was, they couldn't identify him in a line up. i mean, really. >> you've got to -- you have got to want people to reach out to you. a sense that we just don't want to engage this white house. when i was there in '11 we had a lot of engagement, very difficult, there was a sense that there was a chance with divided government to get somewhere, as you saw -- >> schieffer: you're not

saying democrats on capitol hill who say i don't want to engage with the white house. >> there's republican strong piece of the republican party up there who has been consistent since they got control of the house and many people like ted cruz, who is pretty clear even though he's rewriting history with you on what happened with the shut down just don't want to engage this president. if there is a person who is reaching out more than any president i've seen in long time it's been president obama who has done. that but you've got to want someone to reach out to you to respond to it. i'm not seeing that in the last couple of years. >> schieffer: do you agree with that, bill? >> i think, white house chief of that have, i've talked to fair number of democrats haven't heard lot from this president. they have controlled the senate all five years of the obama presidency. doesn't have the sense that the president has lot of legislation going through that body either. no, i don't think he's been effective leader. i'm curious, he is the president, he's commander in chief that's one thing you don't

need congress. is he going to defend this deal with iranian leaders, surrender by the u.s. or whether making clear they're not going to dismantle anything? what is he going to say about afghanistan. bob gates served him, said that president obama just wants to get out. the he -- >> doesn't believe in -- >> having ordered a surge, which i supported at the time is he going to say something serious about afghanistan, just said that i didn't know this he said pakistan was his number three thing that keeps him up at night. what happens to afghanistan happens with pakistan. >> schieffer: let me ask you about one thing you wrote this week you said that republicans ought not to expect a debt ceiling bonanza. go ahead, vote, let the debt ceiling aised make your fight on something else. >> vote against it if they want. my advice to my friends and conservative activists tea party wing of the party. my advice to republican leadership don't push immigration reform which i think

totally splits the republicans party and forces negotiation with bad bill out of the senate. my view is no amnesty on immigration, no default on debt ceiling and happy year for republicans. >> schieffer: i was taken by the piece you wrote in the wall street journal yesterday which said basically people will snooze through the president's state of the union message because they have stopped listening to him. >> i think so. i think people have gotten to the point where at the beginning of the sixth year of the obama administration, people are managing to restrain their excitement when the president speaks in a big speech or not. he spoke the other day on nsa. talked to 1500 people, half of the people didn't know he'd said a thing. one in ten paid attention to it. they didn't like what he said. that's what's going on. he is over exposed as all presidents are by this point. but he more than others in the past. he also has hanging over him

right now not only his inability to be a swaying force with the congress of the united states. he also has over him the fact that obamacare this year came out. it's no longer a hazy promise it's a reality and reality that has caused more upset than good. it has lost more people coverage than giving them. it's also become obvious that truths were not told in the spilling of this darn thing. so when you put together, oh, my, god, the central meaning of this presidency was put forward somewhat fraudulently plus always in our face. that will equal, i don't think i'm going to watch the speech. i'm sorry. that's a harsh thing to say but that's what's going on. >> the management experts would say the way you have to deal with this and obama said in these recent interviews he understands the power of the presidency. he realizes he can do things. and the answer is, to pick one

thing to focus and act aggressively on that one thing. you look at all of the -- like the nsa speech, it's kind of, women, i like the nsa but i'm worried about them. he wants to have lots of these things both ways and he's got to come out and say, this is what we're going to do and this is what we're going to fix. he has good ideas. one thing it's expensive to spend money on infrastructure, stools, bridges,. and you look at the economic impact of that, it could be favorable, people could get jobs. there are lots of republican senators, bill, who are willing to go a long with that. who in exchange -- >> five years ago. >> corporate taxes. there's a deal to be made. ip fact what the president should do, bill daley knows, turn it turnover vice president biden and tell him to go down make a deal as biden has done

time and time again. >> one of the most conservative republican senators given a speech laying out proposal to reform the highways, the transportation bill which is notorious. send the money back to the states. let's be serious about fixing the infrastructure. i agree if the president takes bail daily's advice which i don't think he will call him, can we reform highway bill at the same time that we spend money? there would be republicans willing to work with him. >> the president, all sounds great at this table when you get to the rlity o the hill and the inability, lack of desire by lots of people who have come to the office of the senate or house with the express purpose of, we're going to stop this president, stop him from being successful i think it's going to be very difficult to do other than what he can do on his own and this year, too, now suddenly in the -- everyone focused on the hill are running for president. or running for re-election.

the climate in this town -- saying it's going to get better we've seen this now and right now my advice to the president, don't go for home runs, when you go to the hill you better make sure you've got a unified plan both republicans, but it all sounds good but the president has tried much of this. when i was there in two years ago on infrastructure we had reasonable plan. nobody is there. >> it's always hard. was hard fn johnson those southern democrats they weren't too much about desegregation. >> if a president tried to do what lyndon johnson do he'd be indicted. >> schieffer: he got something done. >> not at the table like we're analyzing what he did how he did it. >> we're doing that. sure we were. you and i were here.

the grownups were at the table. >> last democrat to be elected, he capitalized, negotiated with congress. full of people with lunatic, whackos, running against clinton, new england they cut very useful deal which led to budget surpluses. >> schieffer: when they passed that civil rights bill lyndon johnson went up to tap toll hill and he signed it up there. not at the white house because he said if it hadn't been for every -- we'd have a bill. we have a law. he said, i want to make sure he gets credit and he said the other part he daughter this, he said the other part of it is some of the people that voted for this are going to get beat the next time. i want them to know i appreciate that. >> a lot of people who voted -- president understood for health care reform lost their election that was courageous vote as under bill clinton voting for tax increase in '93 probably cost democrats.

this president has not been afraid to take -- have his friends take -- as they did -- >> schieffer: >> what everyone is saying you have unruly very difficult political opposition. the job of the president is to figure out how to manage that. and, look, you know john boehner the speaker is a traditional conservative anyone who has dealt with him knows you can make deals with him. >> things have gotten better obviously looks like they may be. quite frankly there is a battle going on with the republican party within the republican party that we cannot dismiss. and that has driven since control was changed in house to the republican -- >> you don't think that is -- that's exploited. don't say they're taking each other apart. >> i'm going to bring you in. >> you know, i hate to keep going back to this this is not tutorial on lbj but there was

battle going on between northern and southern democrats -- >> that was year ago. are you saying today president could pull off -- >> that was even before that. >> you saw the great movie on lincoln f. a president did what he haddon, lincoln, the pass that i would assume as i said etch peachment would be the least of his experience. >> the president did worse. keep the house then fought off -- >> he fought off that -- >> all i'm saying to go back to the lyndon johnston analogy you'll due respect to him and type of congress and system we had there then, and say you could do -- that's the model, just not reality. >> obama is capable of doing this. >> the thing he probably did to

get those votes that never probably with reported are are things that got it passed. today you can't do those things. it's not just giving a speech it's -- >> without a single republican vote -- the drama you need them coowning this bill with you. you need them moderating this. can i ask a question, i'm so sorry, bob. >> schieffer: of course. >> tell me, the president begins his brand new sixth year ahead. state of the union on tuesday night. you know him, you have been his chief of staff, what governing part of his job as chief executive, president of the united states, does he love? does he love this job, lyndon johnson loved it. does he love the doing of the presidency? does he love the deal making? >> doing the deal making, there's a big difference.

that's a little different. for what i know this president he absolutely loves the job, he loves the fact. i think if you read in that long article you mentioned, bob, that he understands that whether it's four years or eight years or part of history, things he's trying to do whether it's health care, whether it's reform of the banking system as was done and other things going forward. that there is a -- he does love the job, he loves the fact that he is able to help people and i think the thought that he doesn't love the job is just from people who have -- >> a lot of people -- >> schieffer: let me just shift to something else. the "new york times" magazine today put out a cover that -- i think we'll be seeing this for a long time. it is called "planet hilary." i must say my first reaction, i thought it was chris christie.

then i thought well maybe it's the man on the moon or something. what about this article? >> my first thought was, it was unfortunate rendering of an attractive person. but i guess my second thought is, you know, mrs. clinton i'm not sure if she's going to run, she may not be sure or maybe everybody understands she's going to run. but, man, she takes up all the oxygen and keeps other potential democratic presidential contenders from getting in to the story. if she does not run, she's going to spend now between now and when she announces she won't run being the star and being the assumed democrat, i wonder what that is going to do for the democratic party, i would worry about it. >> schieffer: what about, bill kristol. >> i'm not -- i don't -- not about her this drama going on, she as enemies and frenemies and friends and supporters and she

has been senator from new york for eight years and secretary of state for four years. shouldn't the "new york times" be reporting on her record, the pluses and minuses not this kind of childish psycho analysis. >> i couldn't agree more. sucking all the oxygen out of this, it's about the consultants and aides even in one version that have in the magazine in her -- dick morris. he worked for her husband is now an enemy of the clintons, would that be -- hardly in the orbit you've got all of this stuff about the consultants and the teams coming in, going to micro target, macro target. talk about fund raising. the average democratic voter i think says, wait a minutes this a railroad? is there a choice for me? >> schieffer: we have to end there. we'll continue this in the green room. on the air here we'll be back in one minute to talk about the olympics. this is the story of the dusty basement at 1406 35th street the old dining table at 25th and hoffman.

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>> schieffer: we've been talking about the olympics and the security of americans attending the games, isn't the only reason that the games have been in the headline. russia asterisk anti-gay policy, former olympic gold medal figure skater brian boitano is joining us because he's part of the u.s. delegation to sochi recently went public with the fact that he is gait. i would ask you, brian, is that why you decided to come forward and announce this because of the situation in russia. tell me about the timing of your announcement? >> you know, when i said that i would love to be on the delegation it was a huge honor and when the press release came out where it was mentioning where president obama was sending a message through the delegation of tolerance and diversity, i looked at it as an opportunity to step outside of my -- i've always been a private guy in -- i've been a public

figure but also been very private. i took it as an opportunity to step out, stand for his message and this is a huge platform. it can make a difference in so many people's lives that's why i deshieded to make it public. >> schieffer: it was very brave decision. i want to ask you, are you concerned about the safety of our athletes over there with all these threats we're now hearing about, now a new one coming out this morning? >> in regards to the new one coming out this morning, i think it's a concern for everyone. i think that the athletes' safety should be first and foremost. i'm sure it will be. i think actually athletes' village will be one of the safest places to be. from athletes perspective to cancel the tricks would be devastating. since the olympics, it's really about people meeting together through sports and putting aside their country's differences for that time.

>> schieffer: would you advise your family to stay home? >> that's really good question. i would want my family to make their own decision. i would totally understand if they decided to stay home. but for me as an athlete i would always choose to go. >> schieffer: how do you stay focused on your sport? you're a professional athlete how do you stay focused with all this going on in the background? >> you know, certainly it takes your attention away a little bit. but elite athletes at the level of olympics are so used to blocking everything out and this is devastatingly serious, but at the same time they are so used to blocking things out that it will be another thing that they have to push out of their minds to focus on the task at hand of representing their country as best they can. >> schieffer: i'm very sorry i have to cut you off. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> schieffer: we spoke earlier to another openly gay member of that u.s. delegation to sochi, legendary tennis

player, billie jean king. let me just ask you, what kind of reception do you expect, it's been pretty dicey for sometimes for gay people in russia. will you feel safe going there? >> i will be alert, that is for sure. but i have been going to russia since 1962 and i can't tell you the people are fantastic there. they're very hospitable, very welcoming, they have been nothing but very kind to me. i hope it will continue just like that. i went as an 18-year-old. it's been quite an amazing journey going to russia off and on through the last few decades. >> schieffer: if there are demonstrations, if there are parades, if any of the athletes decide to express support for the gay community, will you take part in any of that? >> i'm not so sure we can. i think the athletes if they're asked questions by the media can answer it any way they see fit.

the thing that cannot do according to rule 50 is to demonstrate a protest because they could have their medals taken away and be sent home. i think if the media asks an athlete a question that they can respond. >> schieffer: do you think this could have a positive impact on russia and the attitude there? >> i think this will be very positive. i think people are genuinely kind and i think most people are accepting or at least will start thinking about it. i think it's important not to boycott. i think it's important to show up and be there and be a part of this wonderful occasion in sochi seeing our athletes try to go for the gold. >> schieffer: billie jean king you always set a great example not just for athletes but for all americans we want to wish you the very best. i hope you have fun while you're there. >> thanks a lot, bob. >> schieffer: we'll be right back with some personal thoughts.

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