i am bob schieffer and today on face the nation, the horrific murder of an american journalist brings home the danger to america posed by the isis terrorists, and breaking news this morning as the 6.0 earthquake hits the san francisco bay area. the secretary of defense says isis is the most serious terror threat ever seen to the united states. >> well this is beyond anything that we have seen so we must prepare for everything. >> and the president says the group must be destroyed but how we will talk to new hampshire republican kelley ayotte and former cia official mike morrell, mitt romney is running,

paul ryan will be along to discuss his new book and the prospect he or maybe romney will run in 2016. >> third time is a charm. >> yes. >> plus we will get the latest from ferguson, missouri as the family and friends of michael brown prepare for his funeral. we will talk to perking son's congressman william lacey clay about what he thinks of the president's ordering a review of the program to supply military combat gear to local police. and we will get a preview of washington's newest memorial from actor gary sinise who is working to armor american's disabled veterans. >> "60 minutes" of news because this is face the captioning sponsored by cbs >> good morning again, on that earthquake on the west coast, it is a 6.0, it was reported north of san francisco in the napa centrally. the u.s. geological survey says it is the largest quake to shake the bay area since the 19896.9 magnitude

quake, the lo ma quake, we want to go to our san francisco affiliate and our reporter there juliet goodrich, she is in napa this morning. juliet, tell us about this. >> reporter: well, good morning to you, yes, i wanted to show you some of the damage, we are in historic downtown napa, bob, and this is a real close to the epicenter. this really shook plus the middle of the night, a 6.0 magnitude earthquake, they are calling this the south napa earthquake. this is one of the buildings you can see in this downtown area. this happens to be a law office and you can actually see structurally emergency personnel are telling me this building could actually go at a moment's notice. there are fires in the area, some mobile home parks, reportedly now fire crew tending to them. so this is a pretty devastating and now at first light we are really getting a look at all of the damage. a lot of people in the area are milling around, but of course

emergency personnel are telling people just to clear away, because these buildings are collapsible and it is very fragile right now. we wilwe will take it back to y. >> thank you so much. well, we turn now to the story that hit america like a thunderbolt, the murder of american journalist james foley by isis terrorists and the growing threat they now pose. the u.s. continued air strikes on sigh sister, isis strongholds in iraq and is now considering air strikes in syria. intelligence sources also report they have good idea of the identity of the man who murdered american foley. we are beginning this morning with michael malloy the former must be 2 at the cia. he is now of course a senior contributor to cbs news. our state department correspondent margaret brennan is with us and our cbs security correspondent bob orr. >> mike, british newspapers some of them are saying this may actually be a british hip-hop

artist, maybe the one who committed this heinous crime. do you have any information on this? >> my sense, bob, is that we are getting closer to identifying who it is, but i don't think that happened yet. what i would like to emphasize it doesn't really matter who the executioner was. this was the group that killed james foley and this order came from the very top of the group, and i think that is important for americans to remember. >> what is the latest that you are picking up, bob? >> well, bob, the fbi and international partners are looking for the identity of this particular person, what they are really more worried about is the threat posed any group, because make no mistake, overtime, with enough space and planning, this can could become the most significant terror threat we have ever paced in this country. short-term the assessment is, maybe they can inspire somebody to do something, you know, kind of a a one off homegrown inspired attack but overtime, since they have western recruit and that is a key point, they could put together a big

template that would rival something like 9/11, that's what we are really trying to stop. >> and mike talking about getting people into this country, because that seems to be what chuck hagel secretary of disefns was talking about, this is not so much about what is going on in iraq, it is a lot about that but the threat that it poses to the homeland. >> i think there are three things we have to worry about, two are short-term and one is long they were. the two short-term pieces are number one, will they inentire somebody here to conduct an attack. the second is that there are a number of americans, a number of canadians and a number of west europeans who went to syria to join isis to fight with them. any one of those could be directed back to the united states to conduct a small scale attack. over the long-term, two and a half, three years, we need to worry about a 9/11 style attack by isis. >> margaret, you were at the pentagon today, last week and you were there when the secretary of defense and the chairman of the joint chiefs both gave their move, i would

say assessments of the threat posed by isis. what is happening now? are we planning to step up the attack on isis? perhaps going even into syria? >> well, it changed the calculus, exactly the attack on james foley is subjected as a terrorist attack on the u.s., i was at the pentagon and asked the chairman of the joint chiefs about the need to sort of strike at the safe havens which so many officials have been talking about privately for some time. which is, you can contain them short-term, isis but in the long-term, it is actually not effective unless you really hit them at the place that their fighters can run to, air strikes in iraq you can run right back over into the safe haven in syria. and so, yes, the pentagon officials are heading to the region, today, tomorrow and they are looking at what can be done now, the problem is if you hit from the air, even if you are involved in air strikes and even if they get a coalition to join in that what do you do on the

ground? because really, the u.s. has chosen hot to scale up this small program of training and equipping moderate rebels, hasn't been industrial strength and haven't built and army and a big question how do you back that up? >> where the president at some point won't he have to go to the congress if he plans to step this up in a marriage kind of way? i and what is the administration thinking? do you think they will get congress's approval? >> well, you have this request for $500 million to train and equip the syrian rebels, the chairman joint chiefs suggested a year ago, it is still sitting and wouldn't even be funded fully until 2015, so there is no shoulder behind that to get that through right now on behalf of the administration, when it comes to air strikes, yes, you are right you would have to consult or at least seriously speak about it with numbers of congress but it doesn't seem like much will happen in the next few weeks there is an upcoming nato meeting at the beginning of september and you can expect uk, french and other

officials to be participating in this as well. >> you have to have intelligence, if you are going to decapitate a terror group like isis and take out the leadership we have seen abu about a car, the leader go to the mosque and give very brazen sermon if you are going to attack these people you need to have a robust intelligence operation that i was you specific what is called actionable intelligence that would allow the president to launch some kind of raid or a drone strike. a and right now i think mike would agree the intelligence we have on the ground in syria is fairly spotty. >> this is the most complex terrorism problem that i have ever seen. there are no magic bullet this is is going to take a long time to get under control. there are two things we have to, we have to. do we have to take away their safe haven, their territory. that requires a political solution in iraq, which is going to require us to continue to press the iraqis to do the right thing, our gulf arab allies to press the iraqis to do the right thing, the iranians to press the iraqis to do the right thing and then we need to get a solution in syria to take that territory away. and then the other thing we need

to do is take the leadership off the battlefield, we have to identify them through intelligence and capture or kill them, we have to remove them from the battlefield. >> i want to thank you all for this insight and analysis. we want to go now to republican senator kelley ayotte a key member of the senate armed services committee she is joined from the home state of new hampshire and the home state of james foley. >> senator, what do you think of the administration's actions so far on this? what do they need to do and what will congress be in the mood to let the administration do, if, in fact, the president decides to step up this situation?. well, bob, obviously in new hampshire, the brutal murder of james foley really brought home this week the threat that it presents to us and our country and i think what a containment strategy is not going to cut it, we need a strategy to defeat isis. >> it is a imminent, e eminent

threat to us, the sophistication of this group, the funding, the territory they control, and we immediate a strategy that is going to expand the air strikes, going to support the kurds further and the iraqi forces but in particular the kurds, get them the military equipment that they are requesting, and also look at supporting more and more support and enhancement for the moderate opposition in syria to deal with the sanctuaries in sy wria,e have to do that if we want to defeat isis as the chairman of the joint chief of staff said this week and say also the political solution is important. we need an iraqi government that is inclusive and also need leaders to condemn isis, to make sure that they are saying that isis has to go, and finally i think, bob, we have to address the congress where the defense budget is right now, because there is a disconnect with sequester from the threats we face around the world and the resources we are going to peed to fight this threat. >> well, congress is on

vacation, the president has been on vacation. and let me just ask you first, the president has been under intense criticism for being on vacation while all of this happened. do you think the criticism of him was justified? >> >> well, i certainly don't begrudge the president taking time for vacation, but i think there was a perception, disconnect when he gave the speech obviously which i appreciated saying we needed to be relentless and also addressing the horrific terrorist murder of jim foley when that day after he was going golfing so i think he has to look at the perception but i don't begrudge him going on vacation. what i want from him is a strategy to defeat isis and that is where i think we need to work together on and he needs to lead this, because the containment aspect of it is not going to defeat them, we are going to have to defeat them because of the threat that they give to us and present to us.

>> well, congress of course also has been envoy case indication, vacation, some rams said it is on vacation most of the year, certainly the least productive congress that i can recall. do you think that congress can be brought together and find a way to focus on this and to find a way to stage some sort of counterattack or do something in response to what is happening there? because it looks like this wole thing is falling apart, and this threat as the secretary of defense said, is greater than ever. >> bob, i do think congress can be brought together. first it starts with presidential leadership but the congress has to recognize and listen to what our defense officials are saying, that this is an imminent threat to us and i know from seeing my own constituents are thinking about what happened to him, this terrorist act against our country, the threat it presents with those who have gone from america to fight in this jihad

in, and the terrorists that can come and hit us, have all the congress has to come together and i think it starts with presidential leadership but as a member of congress i think we have a responsibility to say that we are going to put the protection of this nation first, beyond partisan divide. >> and you, i know, have been in contact with mr. foley's parents, you are going to be at a funeral, i guess, later on. how are they doing? >> well, they are incredible people. i mean, obviously for any parent going through this, the pain that they feel and no one can describe that, but i have been so impressed with the way they have handed themselves, the strength they show, the resilience and most of all we can't forget that jim foley was a brave journalist. he was on the front lines. he had a passion for the truth and i know that they are very proud of their son, as are all of us for what he was doing to

try to bring the truth to america about what is happening in syria and other conflict regions. so that is really i know what they are focusing on and i think that we appreciate certainly their family and the way that they have conducted themselves and our hearts go out to them and what they are going through. no family should have to experience what they have experienced. >> well, thank you so much, senator, thank you, and we are going to turn now to house budget committee chairman and 2012 republican vice presidential nominee paul ryan. he is here this morning because he has a new book out, the way forward, renewing the american idea. he is joining us from orlando and the we will get to the book and talk about it in some detail in a minute, congressman, but i have to ask you first about this whole situation that has arisen with isis. this is the president doing enough? what should be done here? will you

support air strikes into syria if that becomes necessary? >> >> well, first of all i don't think i am hearing enough from the president. i bet the sense that secretary hagel and general dempsey understand the gravity of the situation, candidly, bob, gropt hear from the president how he is reacting to event like the mosul dam what i want to hear from the command in chief he has a strategy for finishing isis off and defeat isis let's not forget there are reportedly thousands of terrorists with foreign passports, if we don't deal with this threat now, foley, fully and convincely it will come home to roost so no, i don't think the president has given us the kind of strategy we need, that is number one, number 2, i think we should let the generals determine the strategy, i don't want to be an armchair general and tell you how this needs to be done but reference the fact general dempsey did say to do this correctly that syria is going to have to be a part of this equation. >> let me ask you about a couple of things in your book, i want to read a quote that has picked

up a lot of attention. it takes us back to last october when the republicans shut down the government in an attempt to defund obamacare. you didn't say much at the time about the ted cruz strategy, that is, rallying key party conservatives on the house side to let the government shut down, but here is what you wrote in your book. in short, the strategy our colleagues have been promoting was flawed there beginning to end, it was a suicide mission, but a lot of members were more afraid what would happen if they didn't jump off the cliff. i guess i would ask you first, why didn't you say that back then? >> because i want party unity. i don't think it was constructed for conservatives to be harping at each other. at the same time the purpose of that passage is to try to unify our party. i don't think we can success if all we do is criticize and define what we are against, the whole point of that was, you can't stop an entitle. with a government shutdown. entitlements like medicare and

social security and obamacare continue on as is, so i didn't think it was really legitimate to tell the country we could stop it unilaterally in the house, .1. .2, the purpose of this book is to show the country that we have better ideas. we need to define ourselves as what we are in favor of just as much aswat we are opposed to and look i don't like to track the, i don't like the track the country is on, and as an american leader i feel i have an obligation to say what principles and policies i would put in place instead to renew the american idea and get the country going. >> well, you put in your book that you had repeatedly advised the romney campaign before you were on the ticket to lay out what the ronald any presidency alternative would be when you compared it to president obama and yet you seem to feel that just -- they were just running against a president obama's record. do you think that's why they lost? >> no. i think there are a whole multitude of reasons why we

didn't win and there are not enough time in this hour to get into all of it but i do believe and i mentioned it at the time and mitt and i discussed it we need to give voter a meaningful choice. look, what i am trying to do with this book is is to help design a unified conservative republican movement that is principled, inclusive and aspirational so that we can win a majority of the american's votes to save this country from what i believe is going on, down the wrong track. getting the government they deserve. people who are struggling are not given the opportunity they need they get in angel think economy and me america is losing its standing in the word world and that makes us less secure and we need to show how we will give the founding principles to the problems today and better solutions going forward. that's the kind of election i think people deserve. give them a choice of a future so they can see and determine what kind of country they want to have so that if and when you win that kind of election we

have the obligation, the moral authy andate to fix this country's problems before they get out of control. our problems are real, they are urgent, but they are not insurmountable, we can turn things around and we can get this country on the right track so our kids have a better future like our parents gave us. >> yo you had a joint appearance with governor romney the other day and teased him a little bit and said something about third time is a charm. you also suggested if he did decide to run ben you would support him. do you think there is any possibility that he might run and of course we want to ask you, are you going to run? >> well, i sure wish he would. i think he would fake a, make a phenomenal president, he has the temperament to be a fantastic president i wish everybody could see the guy i know i think with the mitt documentary they got the sense of that but he keeps saying he is not going to run. as far as myself and my family, this is a decision we are going to take very seriously and weigh in 2015, so i just don't know the answer to your question at this time. >> would you support ted cruz if

he got the nomination or would you support rand paul who has staked out an isolationist position here? >> either of them would do well. >> would you support them? >> i would support either of those people if they become. or punishable six republican nominee. >> what i am trying to conservatism that is inclusive and aspirational and principled and also has strong national defense and a foreign policy that keeps us prosperous and secure. i have differences with different people in the party but that's okay. i want to have a big republican party with a big tent that gives the country a better future that can win the majority of votes in this country. we need to win the electorial college and we need to win national elections so we can get this country on the right track and whoever our no, ma'am knee is going to be will need ebb everybody's help so what i want to do here is get us on the same team, same page and unify the movement so we can win converts to our cause. >> all right.

well we hope you will come back and talk to us about it again and we will be back in one minute. thank you.

when you have covered politics as long as i have it is easy to believe you have heard it all, the excuses, the double-talk, the alibis but even in modern politics where there seems to be no shame, former virginia governor robert mcdonald took the blame game to a new low when he took the stand that is, at his 170,000 corruption trial and basically threw his wife under the bus, that it was all her fault. what a stand-up guy. how is he to know that the $6,000 watch he gave he she gave him had been paid for by a businessman trying to use the governor's office to promote his dietary supplements? was he supposed to know the guy had taken her on a $20,000 shopping

spree, arranged for him to have a spiffy sports car to drive on their vacation, arrange thousands of dollars in loans, and, hey a little credit here, once it became money the mcdonald's did return the check for $15,000 that the businessman had sent over to pay for the governor's daughter's wedding. as the governor told it thursday, all this came about because of his wife's fragile emotional state. he told the jury the whole thing had left him in such despair he has moved in with his parish priest for the duration of the trial. >> friday he reversed course and said he didn't mean she was to blame. >> now, i admit it, i thought i had heard it all but this takes the cake. what i can't decide is what kind of cake. what i can't decide is what kind of cake. back in a minute. >>

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>> schieffer: and welcome back now to face the nation. we want to first give you an update on that 6.0 earthquake out in northern california that struck overnight there and now reports of dozens of injuries, including two serious. these reports are coming in from the associated press. there are also several significant fires and power outages in the region as well. we will keep you posted as the developments come in. there were protests again last might in the city of ferguson, missouri, following the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer, but the demonstrations were far smaller in scope than they had been earlier last week. a funeral for michael brown will

be held monday, congressman william lacy clay represents ferguson and he will be among the speakers at the service. he joins us now from st. louis, congressman, thank you so much for coming in this morning. we learned last night that the president has now ordered a review of this program that allows the pentagon to sell and give military combat equipment, surplus equipment, of course, to various police forces around the country. do you think this program ought to be just flat ended? >> well, i applaud and appreciate the president's quick action on the 1033 program as you know earlier this week, congressman cleaver and myself met with secretary of defense hagel about the program, because i was so alarmed when i went to ferguson and walked with the demonstrators and saw this heavily armed police force,

tactical unit point a sniper rifles at my constituents who were there exercising their constitutional rights and so that is what alarmed me and i applaud and appreciate the president's quick response to our concerns. >> you, congressman, are going to be speaking at the brown funeral tomorrow. are you concerned that the funeral might reignite the tensions there? >> i am not really concerned about the funeral reigniting the tensions. i guess what i am most concerned about, and i made a promise to michael brown's parents that i would do everything to bring all of the resources of the federal government to this investigation so that it is transparent, so that it is a viable investigation and we bet to the truth. now, i am more concerned that if we do not get to the truth and

get to what actually happened and bring justice to this situation, then there is going to be a problem in the streets. >> schieffer: what do you think the first thing that needs to be done down there right now? >> right now is to improve police-community relations. there needs to be a frank discussion about how we change the way the african-american community is policed. these people were sworn to serve and protect and apparently that is not happening here. and so we have to change that dynamic. i think police should be required to wear a body camera and i think each car, each police car should be equipped with a camera, so that when incidents like this occur in the future, there is no dispute.

it is all on tape and then we can sort out the evidence in a clear way. >> all right. well, congressman, thank you so much, and all of the nation will be thinking about you at this funeral tomorrow and the brown family, of course. we want to talk about more about all of this, the news both foreign and domestic joined by our panel this morning, cbs corresponcorrespondent margaretn is back along with david rohde of router and washington bureau chief susan page and i also want to say we hoped to have washington post reporter my nia-malika any with us this morning but just a few minutes ago her office told her to come back to the newspaper to supervise their earthquake coverage, so i guess we are fall the news business and we all understand this. susan, how far has ferguson setback race relations in this country? or has it? >> you know i think what it has done is reminded americans about

some of the racial problems that persist and boy it spotlights once again the chasm between the whites and blacks tend to see issues like this, you know, the whites thought, two-thirds thought the black went too par in ferguson so maybe if we think we have an african american president we have an african-american attorne attorny general, a lot of us think we have made real progress in race relation has this is a reminder of how far we still have to go. >> well it brings back to those of us a of a certain age that would be me, of course, what we saw in the oj trial, the oj simpson trial where the perception just split right down the middle how it was viewed by one community and how it was viewed by another. let's talk about this situation in isis and all of that. park rhett, you were about there is -- there is planning at least underway at the pentagon about striking back, maybe even into syria, i

think it is going to be very, very difficult to get the congress to agree on any kind of plan at this point, when you stop to think about it when did the president extend up this half million dollars request, not half million, but $500 million. >> train and equip program for the syrian rebels, that was just a few months ago. >> yes, it just sat there, nobody seemed to think well we will get around to it when we get around to it. >> right. and that wouldn't be funded until 2015, so there is not necessarily a quick reaction to the isis threat on that level, at least there is a smaller covert program to train some rebels, but building up an army to fight isis doesn't happen overnight. certainly some programs could be launched, the one of the other challenges here beyond congress is getting an arab country in the region to agree to host such a train and equip program, because so many fear then becoming a target if they take

in these fighters to, fighters to make them actually be a standing force. >> has anybody said oh let us do that. >> the jordanians are reluctant. >> there is some training they allow the u.s. to conduct for special forces for iraqis and others but there is real reluctance to advertise that, because then it is seen as you are in the game. but bigger picture, it needs to be articulated before the president goes to congress or speaks to the public here and it is not clear that there is one that the president is comfortable taking, at least not a position yet publicly that would marry him to military action. >> schieffer: david a allen talked to you about something you are uniquely qualified to discuss and that is this idea of these captives, these enormous ransoms these people are asking, you know a little something about that because you were taken captive by the taliban and held for how long? what, seven months? >> seven months, yes. >> in afghanistan, later moved over to pakistan.

is it time for the united states to review the strategy we have? we flatly say we don't pay ransom to terrorists and i think reasons for that are understandable, but other countries are, and that is what is complicating this. >> yes. i think it is a time, it is the time for the international community to talk about in lack of a strategy. i agree with the american approach which is to the, to be fair to the other countries the u.s. government doesn't pay ransoms but if a family or organization can pay a ransom the u.s. will turn a blind eye to that. the problem is that the european countries, france, we saw this in the foley case he was held with french hostages, spanish hostages, danish hostages, they were all ransomed, jim foley is dead and when these governments pay ransoms in the millions of dollars no family can compete with that, the foley family couldn't compete with that and it is not working, there is one estimate that al qaeda affiliates have got 10,125,000,000 in ransom

primarily from european governments just in the last five years. >> what do you think the impact of the foley killing is going to be, susan? my sense is that it was a macabre kind of way a wakeup call, certainly we saw the statements coming out of the pentagon this week, they took a much sharper edge as it were. is that reflecting what is going on at the pentagon or i mean at the white house or do you think that the state department and the pentagon pay be ahead of the white house on this? >> you know, i think this could be a real turning point. you had mike morales saying this is the most complex terrorism problem he ever encountered what kind of statement is that from someone who is a career cia intelligence operative? that is a terrifying statement from your previous guest and i think it is really, the horrific, the horrific scene there i think is has really touched a lot of americans the question is, what has been the impact on president obama? because we have seen in the past president obama has at times talked pretty tough but he has been kind of allergic to

military action when it comes right down to it. does this change his calculus of what to do? that i think is the question to watch. >> president goss on vacation and i can't recall a one who went on vacation that didn't get some criticism for doing it, lbj would go to his ranch, president, first president bush went to kennebunkport. the other bush went down to crawford, texas. but this president seems to be especially criticized for this vacation. what do you -- what do you suppose that is about? >> i don't think anybody who is fair begrudges presidents vacation. we know how exhausting that job is. i thought the white house could have shown a little more sensitivity after the statement following the president made following the execution of jim foley, to then immediately go to the golf course, you know, it is the i guess the word we use now is the optics, the optics of that were a little jarring, and

i thought possibly it would have been wise of the president to do something else in the period right after making that statement. >> do you think it has anything to do, david, and margaret, with just the fact that america is coming out of two very long wars? the country is really stick of war. i don't think there is any question about that. it is almost we are seeing a feeling almost as if it was before world war ii, when the nation was sick of war and you had a strong isolationist atmosphere in this country, led by lindbergh who says we have to stay out of wars. in many ways, we are in kind of a situation like that right now, because this threat -- and i agree with these assessments. this is a group of people unlike anything we have really dealt with, even on the terrorist front up until now. >> well, i think one of the problems with the statements, you know, the american public is war wary they may very well be but the national security

community can never afford to be and many policy makers i mean i remember sitting in briefings back in october of 2013 of the state department where they were warning about the high number of suicide bombings that were spiking in iraq, about the lack of a border between iraq and syria, and certainly the intelligence comnity has been warning about this for some time. so within the national security establishment has said they have been worried, and there hasn't been a follow through on strategy in a more robust way i think there are legitimate questions to be asked there about why it would seem there is a degree of ketchup being played. i think -- i want to come back to one of the things that david was talking about with the prisoner question there is a lot of frustration among some of these families, these hostages that not enough is done and i think this question of what happened with the decision to swap sergeant bergdahl for some prisoners in that were held at guantanamo bay also also brought to to the forefront what precedent if any has been set

there and perhaps should if not money be prisoner squats or things considered. i am not saying it is legitimate but i am saying the question is now being raised. >> let's take a break and come back and talk about this and some of the other news of the week when we come back. >>

>> and back now to talk about the news of the week, david, we talk about the search for isis and trying to find these bases, there is another equally intense search going on, margaret touched on it, and that is the search for arab allies to help us in this deal. >> yes. and i think that is at that. >> a key issue and talk about this also can the president sort of move american public opinion to get citizens to support a limited effort and get the arab state to back us, i think americans are skeptical we don't have allies in this region. there is good news the kurds have been fighting well, they retook that dam near mosul.

i think there are allies and i think we need to have a long-term strategy to arm and train local forces, most people don't like the islamic state, most muslims are horrified and disgusted by the killing of jim foley, the president needs to lead on that, he gave a much stronger statement then went golfing and that was the first clear vision i heard about him about the threat we face and he heeds to now respond and describe a new strategy that is not bootsma on the ground george bush style but not, you know, just drones, you know, barack obama first term style. >> you saw today isis is out there taking credit and you have seen some syrian activists talking about the fact they have taken and air base in syria that was controlled by the syrian regime. with where you saw the assad regime sort of be complicit in the rise of isis according to some diplomats now you are seeing out right fighting between the two and this idea circulating out there may be the u.s. should partner with someone they call a war the u.s. was having a

conversation about strikes against the syrian regime and those were called off and almost exactly a year later we are talking about hitting what the u.s. sees as a new enemy, isis here. isis has been fighting the moderate rebels that we have been saying we have been supporting. they have been at war with each other. and so in the absence of alternatives you are left with these two very dirty partners here, right? you go with isis you go with the assad regime. it is not clear what the u.s. can do if they can quickly train moderates to step up and fill that gap or whether they even want to. >> schieffer: susan let's talk a little bit about paul ryan coming out with this book where it turns out he was very strongly against shutting down the government. he didn't say much about it at the time when republicans did that, but i suppose he is laying the groundwork to run for president if it works out, but he is taking theaumatic brain id

severe burns and blindness and mental illness because of their, from the things they have seen and to have them come here and to be able to feel that the nation has recognized their sacrifices and is honoring them with a special tribute is going to be very special, i think. >> schieffer: sinise has literally spent years holding benefits, visiting wounded vets and lobbying for their cause. the memorial he hopes will help america to better know and understand their story. >> what do you hope people get out of this? >> well, i hope it heightens awareness, awareness is so much a part of helping to heal, and to support these folks. >> so many people aren't really aware. if you don't have a personal relationship with somebody in the service most of the country is disconnected from the military. yet we are fighting wars all the time. we are always deploying somewhere. we just want

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