and today on "face the nation", ebola and what to do about it. a patient with a first case of ebola confirmed in the united states is taken a turn for the worse in a dallas hospital. he is in critical condition, officials are working to contain the virus and calm fears, but is there a plan? we will go to dallas and we will talk with dr. anthony the top infectious disease doctor at the national institutes of health. we will hear from the new house majority leader kevin mccar and democratic congressman elijah cummings. we will turn to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu for the latest on the war on isis and with less than a month until election day, we will have new results of the cbs news new york

times battleground tracker survey. 60 years of news because this is "face the captioning sponsored by cbs and good morning, again, well, here is the latest on the ebola situation. the death toll from the disease in west africa stands at nearly 3,500, the threat of it spreading here has raised fears and calls for more government action, but what too? we begin thi this morning in dallas where thomas duncan is now in critical condition with ebola. he is the man who was first sent home from the hospital even though he told emergency workers he had recently traveled from liberia. >> manuel go or questions is in dallas this morning. manuel. >> well, bob he has been in an isolation unit in texas health presbyterian hospital for almost a week .. doctors say he has slipped from serious to critical condition. health officials here have been trying to reassure the public they can stop this virus from

spreading after a series of missteps, as you mentioned he was released initially by the hospital after a first visit to the er he complained of a fever and abdominal pain but was not tested for ebola. that may have put other people at risk. four family members he shared an apartment with have now been taken to an undisclosed location, but there is criticism they were not immediately quarantined. the apartment has now been decontaminated but officials were also criticized for waiting three days to make that happen. now health workers have fanned out across the city, they are monitoring 50 people who may have had contact with duncan, they say only nine of those are believed to have had close contact and so far none have shown symptoms. bob. >> schieffer: is there anymore of explanation, manuel, as to how they let this slip through after he told them he had come from west africa? >> at first the hospital said there was a flaw in the way electronic records interacted

between a nurse who knew duncan had been in west africa and the doctor who treated him. now they are saying there was no flaw and the team did have access to that medical information about his travel history, but they have yet to fully explain why he was released. >> schieffer: all right. well, thank you so much, manuel. and joining us here in washington, dr. anthony falchi who heads up the allergy and infectious diseases institute at the national institute of health. doctor, thank you so much for coming, can you say at this point that this situation in dallas has been contained? >> i believe so. right now, the way you classically prevent an outbreaka index person under isolation and care, mr. duncan is in that situation. and then you do what you just heard here is that you do what is called contact tracing. people who have come into direct contact with the patient are observed for a period of 21

days. if they develop symptoms they are put in isolation and if they have ebola, they are treated. and when you put that umbrella over the people who have been the contacts, that is how traditionally over the years in africa outbreaks have been controlled. >> well, is it likely that any of these people, i think there are nine people that had the closest contact, are they likely to come down with ebola? >> well, it depends on what you mean by likely. is it conceivable they will? absolutely i would not be surprised if one of the people who came into direct contact with mr. duncan, when he was ill, will get ebola. you can't say, you can't put a number on it, it is impossible to do that, but there certainly is a risk so i don't think the american public should be surprised if you hear that one of them actually does come down with ebola. >> schieffer: republican senator rand paul who is also an ophthalmologist, a medical doctor, says that we are underestimating in his works the

trance missability of this disease .. >> i don't think there is data to tell us that is a correct statement, with all due respect. we have had experience since 1976 with how ebola is transmitted and it is clear it is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids, blood, diarrhea, vomit or what have you, and there is no indication that there is another insidious way it is transmitted we are missing because of the experience we have had so we really have to go with the evidence based. there is always hypothesis and surmise but no scientific evidence. >> schieffer: he went so far he is worried about sending 3,000 army troops over there, can you imagine how easy it is for a disease to spread on a ship, that they may come back and they might, you know, spread it among themselves and the rest of the country. >> no. i'm sorry but that is really not a concern. first of all, the troops that are going over there are going to be fundamentally for logistic services, command, control,

engineering, setting up the hospitals. they are well-trained. they will not be in direct risk of, in the sense of contact with individuals. and even if they are, the protocols are in place to prevent spread from there, so i don't, and the army does not have any real concern that those three to 4,000 troops are going to be in danger. >> schieffer: we have seen already that human error can play a role here. is human error the main thing to be worried about right now? >> well, human error occurs. we have seen the misstep in dallas. it has now been corrected. certainly no one is perfect and there will always be some missteps but what we need to do is have layers of capability to overcome that, and if you look at what is happening in dallas right now, things are going well, particularly with the contact tracing. >tracing. >> schieffer: it didn't go very well in the beginning. >> i think not and anyone who denies that is not being realistic, there was a mistake there in the beginning. hopefully this will be lesson learned so emergency room and

clinic docs throughout the country when they have someone come in and have symptoms compatible with ebola, they ask them have you been 0 to west africa and if they have you trigger the protocol. >> schieffer: you say we have run out of this experimental drug cause z map that was used to treat two americans who had ebola, is there going to be more of that and where are we on vaccine? >> well there will be more z map, unfortunately it is difficult to produce .. a lot is being produced right now. it should be ready in a month and a half to two months, we are not going to get it tomorrow or the next week. a vaccine to prevent ebola, we have started a vaccine early phase one trial in the nih, in bethesda, maryland on september the second, 20 volunteers who, we should have data as to whether or not it is safe very soon, probably by the end of this calendar year and then we will go into a larger trial in west africa. >> doctor, what we are coming up

on flu season. >> correct. >> schieffer: people will show up with flu symptoms i am sure some of them are going to think they have come down with ebola. >> right. >> schieffer: what can you say to the american people right now as we preach flu season? >> i think people have to be -- and it is understandable the fears we respect it and understand it so really we take a look at evidence. if you are in massachusetts now and you get a cold, there is almost no chance you have ebola because there is no link between an ebola case. you have to look at it in a rational way. the rational way is you get a case of ebola, it is isolated and you do the contact tracing. i have heard people say, well, should by afraid of getting on an airplane in san francisco? it has nothing to do with ebola, so you really have to be rational and have the evidence be the major thing that gets you in your decisions and your concern. >> schieffer: and probably not a bad idea to get a flu shot. >> that's exactly right. it is not a bad idea to get a flu shot. good point, bob. >> schieffer: thank you so much. we want to go to new york

and cbs news chief medical correspondent john l jon lapook, thank you for being here this morning. are you satisfied that the government has the right protocols in place here? to prevent the spread of this disease? >> i think the protocols are right, but the big question is, is, there is a big difference sometimes between theory and practice and unfortunately, with the first patient who ended up having ebola having come into a hospital emergency room in dallas with them full bhing that, it undermines the public's confidence, but i think that, with that said this is not africa, there is 40 years of experience with a couple of dozen previous ebola outbreaks in africa and they have all been successfully handled. so i think people should view this and say this is not the type of magical thinking. this is the time to believe in science. there is experience. i mean, i spoke to dr. frieden this morning, the head of the cdc, we know how to stop this in

its track which is to isolate people who come down to it and figure out who their contacts are, watch them closely. >> schieffer: all right. let's go over quickly what are the symptoms and how is ebola transmitted? >> all right. well, the symptoms are really flu like so it can be headache, fever, aches and pains, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and legionnaire disease you can have some bleeding problems, it is very similar to flu-like symptoms which is why i agree with the medical advice, get the flu vaccine to help get rid of any confusion, and avoid direct contact with fluids, that is so important, i was on twitter and social media, it is the same misconception over and over again about how it is spread. it is spread through direct contact with body fluids, meaning vomit, diarrhea, you know, stool, blood, sputum, even semen so if you do not come in direct contact with that, then

the odds of you having ebola are extraordinarily low. >> schieffer:. >> i think one of the problems people have they are talking about theory, what happens if someone. >> schieffer:. >> sneezes in your face, when is the last time someone sneezed in your face, yes if there is fluid that goes into your nose, eyes, a broken piece of skin you can get it but across the room there is no evidence it gets so aerosol lized the way flu does. if this spread like the flu there would be millions and millions ofzsl you so much, doctor. and joining us now, the new house majority leader, kevin mccarthy. he took cantor's place and the number two in the republican leadership in the house and i want to ask you a little bit about that but first i want to ask you about this whole ebola thing. are you satisfied the administration is doing all it can to keep this thing from spreading? >> well, we are working on wit the administration. we provided more punning in the continuing resolution, but actually it speeds up the process we are talkingq@ that vaccine, we are working on

how to treat it but we cannot ignore africa. and we have money to go forward with those troops but we want to make sure there is a plan out there that the safety for the troops but the logistics to make sure we can move forward, and one thing i have learned from watching what happened in texas and the human error, every city should deal with their medical emergency roots and their emergency individuals being prepared at least, we don't want it to come here, we want to make sure we are prepared if something does happen. >> schieffer: you know, some of the republican side have come up with some rather drastic suggestions, bobby jindal the governor of louisiana says flights from ebola stricken countries should be stopped. you heard me quote ryan paul just a while ago. he is worried about all of these soldiers coming back, that the united states is sending to west africa. what is your reaction to those kinds of suggestions? >> i think it is right to ask the questions.

now i am not a medical experts and i want to listen to the medical experts but i don't want to ignore the challenge so i want to make sure to look that this cannot spread. we know that africa does not have the same medical treatments as we do. so we can't ignore it and let this spread around the world. it is not just our problem, the it is world's problems. if someone traveled from liberia and went to another nation in europe and met somebody and that person came to america, so how could we possibly stop all of that? i don't know that the plan does that so we have to go to the core of the problem, solve it there and invest in a vaccine and a treatment so we cure it once and for all. >> schieffer: what do you see as congress's role? you talked about some of the things you have done already. >> i see as making sure the accountability they have a strategy and plan and it will work for the safety of the american public. secondly to make sure the funding is there to carry it out and that's one thing i saw congress acted ahead of time not only to speed up, but most importantly let's not have bureaucracy and red tape slow down the fda from any

experimental drug that can happen and can cure in africa and can test it. >> schieffer: let me ask you a little bit about the war with isis. we will have prime minister benjamin netanyahu, i interviewed him earlier this week. he sees isis taking the threat to israel. do you think w we ought to exted ground combat troops if that becomes necessary into northern iraq and syria if that is what it takes to get these people in. >> well, first of all, i don't think we should ever sit back and tell our enemies whawe will and will not do. if we need special forces there, if sat what the generals say we need to do it, if we engage in a conflict we know this is a threat to america, we should make it so one-sided it gefer over very. >> very quickly so have everything on the table to make sure we win this, and this is a big crisis and this was not an intelligence failure. this was a lack of action neuroon the administration. you know, fallujah and ramadi

fell ten months ago, former cia director and secretary of defense leon panetta talks about those actions at the that the administration knew of this and did not take. so options are more limited today maybe we could have handled this differently but i think special forces and others are probably going to have to be on the ground because after those missiles hit and they get out of those hum sprees and repaint their trucks, we have to know where they are, and are the hits being successful? >> schieffer: should we go directly after assad's forces, the dictator of syria? >> we have the best trained military in the world. i would listen to them and give them whatever resources they need to make sure our troops are safe, but actually carry this mission out as fast and lo lopsd as possible. >> and do whatever is necessary including if that includes direct attacks on assad. >> i would lay out the mission to see what generals say and evaluate from there. >> schieffer: all right. should the house, should the

congress vote on this, take a vote either endorsing or take some other action on this? >> well, the current actions we are taking now the president has the legal authority do. if he want to expand this, it has to come back to the house and the house, the minute the president asks for authorization we will debate it and take it up no matter what time he want to call that, if he does. >> schieffer: do you think it would pass the house right now? >> a guess. >> i see the threat before us, okaying at the chambers we will sea what people debate. i can pick and choose what goes forward but would never second-guess the house. let's have the debate and let the american people actually see what is the goal, though. the president has to lay out a strategy. i don't see that for the american public what is the goal? what is our foreign doctrine? what is our foreign policy? >> schieffer: what is the policy of kevin mccarthy? how will the house be different with you as the majority leader than it was with eric cantor? >> look, i continue from a small town of bakersfield, california, i grew up with democrats, i

started my first business when i was 19. i learned a valuable lesson as a small business owner. you are the first one to work, last one to leave and last one to be paid. that entrepreneur spirit has to start america working again and we need to open this house back up. but most importantly as i travel, i have been to a 100 districts before this election, the number one thing i hear from the public, can washington work again? you just see all of these failures by the administration from the role out of the healthcare website to the debacle of veteran affairs and benghazi, the secret service can't even protect the white house today and we have in the senate harry reid who has held up 387 bills that have passed the house and he won't let them vote on it. >> schieffer: we will have to end there. thank you so much. thanks for having me. i hope to have you back and be back in a minute to talk to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu.

>> schieffer: we want to turn

now to the week's other big story, the war in northern iraq and syria. i sat down with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, after his address to the united nations last week in that speech he called isis and hamas branches of the same poisonous tree. >> so i asked if isis now pose as threat to israel. >> absolutely, i mean isis has got to be defeated because it is doing what all of these militant islamists are trying to do, they all want to first dominate their part of the middle east and go on from there. their twisted idea of world domination. the difference between isis and hamas and isis and iran and so on is they all agree that the world should be an islamist hill but they all want, each of them wants to be king of the hill. that's what they are really fighting about. essentially they want to

accumulate enough power to then carry out their mad am biggss to that is the danger with isis, it is creating a statement and has 2 million petro dollars a day and weapons it has taken over from the iraqi army and so on it is dangerous, no question. but if you think isis is dangerous, and should be defeated as i do, and i .. completely support president obama's efforts, leadership in this regard. then think how much more dangerous iran is. iran doesn't have 2 million petro dollars a day, it has 100 million petro dollars a day and it has got -- it is working on obtaining nuclear weapons. and that would be, i think, a pivot of history. i think it would endanger the future of our current civilization so that should be defeated, defeated and prevented. >> schieffer: on this battle with isis, do you foresee israel becoming more directly involved in the battle against isis? >> we are already supporting and helping in every way we are

asked to do, but these are things that, you know, we don't discuss necessarily on tv, not even on "face the nation". >> schieffer: a lot of back and forth about what should we do about assad and can they defeat isis without taking down assad. what is your sense of that? >> i think that -- >> schieffer: should we attack syrian forces? >> i think right now, the real issue is isis. isis has taken over supplies in syria, it has got basically uses syria as a safe haven and as a launching ground for attacks and i think wisely a decision has been made that isis tarts in syria and iraq are equally targetable. as far as assad is concerned, i think that certainly don't have to prop them up and you don't have to make kind of a deal with

them anymore than you have to cut a deal with iran. they are going to fight isis anyway. you don't have to reward them and reward iran with a nuclear deal anymore than you have to reward assad with bringing back the chemical weapons because he is fighting these guys as iran is fighting them anyway. so i would say -- i wouldn't say what to do -- i wouldn't prop up assad up but i would in any way, and i wouldn't give him immunity but focus the effort on isis on one side and preventing iran from getting atomic bombs on the other side. >> schieffer: more of that interview later in the broadcast, including the prime minister's answer when i ask him to describe his relationship with president obama. our commentary is next. this portion of "face the nation" is sponsored by bp, proud to be america's largest energy investor.

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>> schieffer: maybe i am just so used to all the bad news lately i am making more of this than i should but wasn't that a little good news last week from of all places afghanistan? i am serious. i read in the paper that ash i don't have da any was sworn in as the new afghan president and before the ceremony was done he appointed abdullah, abdullah his chief rival in the recent election to be the government's chief executive officer. that has taken us a strong signal he intends to give the political opposition a real role in governing the country, the thing we hoped for but never got in iraq and unless i read this part wrong and let's not say it too loud, this may be the result of work by u.s. diplomats who helped the two sides to negotiate the power sharing agreement after the long and bitter election process. so a little shout out here to

that beleaguered american crew. and here is the part i am still not sure i believe but appears to be so. the afghans are also signing an agreement that allows us to keep a small force of u.s. military people in the country as we draw down our forces. that is the kind of arrangement critics say we should have insisted on' before we left ira, and had we had such a thing, maybe the country would not be in the state it is. no one believes afghanistan is anywhere near where it needs to be, corruption is rampant, the economy is a mess and terrorism is still a deadly force, but folding into the other events of last week, that is some progress. back in a minute. >> rd

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>> schieffer:. >> and welcome back to "face the nation". president obama and israeli prime minister netanyahu's relationship has been the subject of endless speculation over the years, so enwe talked last week in new york, i asked the prime minister how he would describe it. >> how do you describe your relationship with the president? >> actually it is quite good. i have to tell you we had a discussion i don't want to say like an old parried couple but the president says he has had more meetings with me nanny foreign leader. there is a mutual respect, you cut to the chase quickly, you talk about the real things openly, like real allies. i think we have a relationship of mutual respect and mutual appreciation. >> schieffer: well let's talk a little bit about iran. >> what concerns you most about

these negotiations that are going on with iran? >> well, from the start, i think, i would understand why we should let the world's most dangerous regime which practices terrorism all the time, all the time, i mean, i heard president hamid shed these crocodile tears about the spread of global terrorism he should talk his own people, they are the ones doing it, so this is the greatest terrorist regime in the world, and we don't want them to have the ultimate weapon of terror, which is nuclear weapons. my fear is, that they would get the ability to enrich enough uranium for a bomb in a short amount of time, weeks, months and that is the deal i hope is not signed. and to the extent that you take away the number of centrifuges they will have left it becomes a better deal to the extent you give them thousands of centrifuges that becomes a bad deal, a very bad deal, not only

for us and israel but for you and i think the peace of the word, you don't want this regime to be able to kick tout inspectors which is what they -- i don't care how good the inspections are, just kick them out, and say okay at the time of our choosing, multiple crises around the world, throw tout inspectors, go and enrich the bomb and you have enough material to make a an atomic device which they can put on a container ship and they can bring it to any port in the world. we don't want to be there and you don't want to be there. >> schieffer: do you, virginia dodd said like every time -- >> well, telling it like it is and basically the president of iran who is not the leader of iran, the real leader of iran is the supreme leader, ayatollah a my any, he is the leader and he makes the decisions he is a dictator leader and he is a good

front person, so is their foreign minister but they don't make the decisions. they are supposed to smooth talk their way to get basically bamboozling the west to get a daily that lifts the sanctions, the tough sanctions the u.s. has put the place and that leigh them with enough centrifuges to get to the bombing in a very short time. that shouldn't happen. we have seen the smooth talking foreign ministers in the previous century at critical times. that preceded disaster. >> schieffer: as you head home, what most worries you right now? >> i think between east and west there is -- between the great united states that i would never shortchange. i think is the leading power in

the world, a powerful country, it has reservoirs of strength and enterprise and initiative, that surpass any other, between the united states and the west and the rising powers in the east, i visited china earlier and met with prime minister, these are great australians that are happening that are changing the world, obviously, but inbetween east and west there is malignancy of militant islam that, whose first victims are muslims, who don't toto the line, tow and cut down brutally, christians, azidis, jews, gays, women, i think that that malignancy and spreading and sending the tentacles to the west. 20 years ago you will see international domestic terrorism because you see them send people to jihadists to live in the west

to raise jihad against the west and unfortunately that has come about, but the greatest danger that i see from this militant islamists is they will marry their mad ideology to weapons of mass death .. that is a threat not only to my people, the jewish people and the jewish state of israel, but to your people. they view us as one because of our tolerant societies, they think is weak and corrupt. we understand the value of diversity and human freedom and choice. they deplore it. they want to wipe us away. if they had the weapons to wipe us away, they will try. they will fail, ultimately as did the nazis but they took tens of millions of people with them. that should not happen again. >> schieffer: prime minister, thank you so much. >> thank you:thank you, bob. >> schieffer: and we will be right back to talk about the

problems plaguing the secret service. >>

>> schieffer: and we are back now with maryland's democratic congressman elijah cummings, the ranking member on the oversight committee that heard testimony last week about the secret service and the problems it is having. congressman, thank you so much. >> good to be with you, bob. >> schieffer: is this as bad as it looks from the outside or is it not quite that bad? >> i think it is very bad. and i think there is a culture that has developed, a culture of complacency. we see it with the security breaches, morale is dwn, and we have had a series of events, bob, that should alarm all americans and certainly the question has become, is this the service secret we all thought it was? and i am beginning to wonder about that. >> schieffer: well, that is it. what is it that is 0, that has gone haywire here? because i am

like you, congressman i have known people in the secret service sinned the lyndon johnson administration and these are great people who put their lives on the lines, patriots to the core kerr and this thing seems to be coming apart. >> one of the things -- >> i don't think it is necessarily all of a -- all of a sudden, by the way. i think that based upon some information we have gotten from whistle blowers, this goes back a ways. and just the information has not come out. don't get me wrong, the secret service is a great organization, but you have got -- we have got to look at certain things, like training, there has been a reduction in training. again, morale. this whole idea of reduction, with regard to high turnover. things of that nature. and it has led to a group of secret service agents who feel more comfortable, bob, coming to the congress and even going to their own superiors, and it

seems as if we have a secrety service that doesn't even trust itself and that leads us to a lot of problems. and so ms. pearson, the director, the former director, she was in kind of a tough situation. she came before the congress, she was not completely candid with us and it just seems as if there has been like i said complacency and we see situations going back to 2011 where the white house is shot with $100,000 worth of damage done and we don't know it for four days, there is a problem. >> schieffer: well this whole thing, i mean the white house says somebody didn't lock the door. that's the last thing we do before we turn out the lights. we lock the door. >> this most recent fence jumping incident, there were basically five layers of security that failed, which is ridiculous we also discovered they don't have the kind of technology that they ought to

have, the modern technology. so we have got to really -- this is -- bob there is a transformational moment we have to look at the secret service and we have to figure this all out and get it right. >> schieffer: and from top to bottom. >> from top to bottom. from top to bottom. let me tell you something. the mere fact that the director has left, believe me, it did not begin with her, and it is not going to end with her leaving. there are still people who probably need to go, and i think that there were some problems -- you have agents that were basically afraid that the information that they wanted to impart to the top person would never get there. they were fearful that, you know, that they would be, there would be retaliation, all kind of things and i never thought that the secret service would have those kind of issues. >> schieffer:, you know, there are these reports, and i know you are aware of them, in the black community that a lot of african americans are worried that the president is not being protected because he is an

african-american .. and this wouldn't be the case if he were white. >> 85 percent of all african americans have come to me mention what you just said. >> schieffer: really? >> yes. and i don't agree with it, and let me tell you why. again, we have information that this goes all the way back to the bush administration, a lot of the problems we are talking about now. it is just they are coming to light. so a lot of these things existed before president obama, and back to the present situation, the president's people have told me he feels very comfortable, particularly with mr. clancy that is now come in to take over the secret service. so he feels good about it and most importantly the first lady feels very good about it. >> schieffer: well, stay on the case. >> we will. >> schieffer: and come back and tell us when it gets better. >> certainly will. >> schieffer: thank you so much, congressman. we will be back in a minute with a look at how campaign 2014 is shaping up, so stay with us. a look at how campaign 2014 is shaping up, so stay with us. >>

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>> schieffer: and on face, what would face the nation be without a little political speculation, that's what we will do now, brand-new results from the latest cbs news new york times joint venture, the 2014

battleground tracker. with cbs news director of elections, anthony salvanto, jonathan martin, the national political correspondent for "the new york times", cbs news congressional correspondent nancy cordes and cbs news political director john dickerson. well, an think, anthony start us off what is the latest. >> we looked at every state, and republicans keep the lead, 51-49 to retake the senate, if the election were held today, but, bob, there are a couple of twists and turns on the road here, let me tell you about one state in particular, kansas, and in kansas republican incumbent pat roberts found himself in a deadlock race with an independent candidate that is greg orman, now you may expect in this environment somewhere you would see an independent candidate gaining track shun but i don't think kansas is ever a state republicans envisioned having to defend. >> schieffer: could the republicans actually .. retake the senate if they lose kansas? >> yes, they could, the good

news for the republicans here, is they still have a lot of options, there are a lot of states they can win and they are within striking distance right off the bat, but kansas complicates things because first of all we don't know who greg orman might caucus if he is elected and if there is a lot of layers to this stories including stories within the gop. >> schieffer: nancy you were in in this and covering this race and i want to hear your thoughts on what is going on out there, but tell us what anthony means it depends on where he caucuses, because i think we all know what that means but a lot of people out there may not. >> well, what it means is is he going to work for democrats or republicans if he gets elected and what he told me is that he will caucus with whichever party is in the clear majority. he thinks that that is is in the best interests of kansas, but that is obviously complicated because neither party may have a clear majority at the end of the night. >> schieffer: and it may be both -- [laughter.] >> schieffer: for the first time in the history of the

world. but i mean, what that means though, is he will decide whether to vote with the republicans or vote with the democrats on how to organize the senate, and that means on who they are going to elect as the leader. >> right. and democrats of course are willing to take enough of a chance on the possibility that he might caucus with them, but they basically push their own candidate out of the race to kind of clear the way for orman to take on pat roberts. >> schieffer: he may wind up, john, as chairman of the foreign relations committee or appropriations. >> great opportunity. >> schieffer: in order to -- >> some good office space, i think in his future. >> schieffer: a good parking space. >> i was in kansas a couple of weeks ago too and it is an unlikely place you would have thought earlier this year could be shaping and controlling the senate was but you have a scenario it is a long time incumbent, pat roberts who did not have a home of his own in kansas, and an environment there where people are tired of washington, and he represents

washington in many eyes and here is an wind a fresh face and some deep pockets funding his own commercials and saying i am not of washington, i am going to stand up to the rs and the ds now that said kansas historically is a very conservative state and mr. orman is now taking out a lot of negative commercials, so he is seeing if he can hang in through election day but the fact is, this scenario for republicans taking back control of the senate gets a lot harder if they can't keep kansas, it just creates one more seat elsewhere they are going to have to pick up. it is possible, but it makes it harder. >> yes just to look at the map, we know republicans need to take six seats away from the democrats there are three races in which theq. much got that locked in in west virginia, montana and south dakota, that means they need three more seats before kansas became a part of the conversation, now they need four seats out of about seven possible seats that could take away from democrats. that is pretty tough, because all seven of those seats from which republicans could pluck their victories are all tight as

a tick. and, again, to go back to what this means about having this independent, the majority means the names the chairmen of all the committees in the senate so this is extremely, this is extremely important. talk about some of these other races. >> yes, speaking of tight as a ticketmaster.com we have a close race but the democrat has now moved ahead in north carolina, kay hagen one of the southern states, three of them the republicans having eyeing as possible pickup opportunities for some time, we have kay hagan in north carolina but in arkansas, the republicans seem to have cemented their hold a little bit for now with tom cotton up ahead of incumbent mark pryor prior, this stay race the republicans have been eyeing for a while too, that makes them a little bit closer to that majority .. and then in louisiana, i think there is a real strong possibility of that going to a runoff, which could further delay knowing who is in control of the senate. >> schieffer: and the reason you have a runoff on election day is because in louisiana they

do it differently. >> right. >> schieffer: they just take everybody runs in one election and then they take the top two. it is not a -- they don't have partisan primaries there. everybody runs on election. what is going on in georgia? that is another close one. >> well, you have two people who are running who aren't politicians which is a the fun part of that race we don't have that anywhere else and georgia is one of those states that, you know, is one of those battleground states and where the question at the end of the day if we have got seven or eight states that have very, very close on election night we may be looking at saying it was a horrible national year for democrats, the president is not well thought of, the races are being run in red states which is tough for democrats, and the national issues set is all, you know, for everything from the isil threat to the va to the secret service, it is just bad news for democrats. what may help democrats in what to look for in georgia and all of these states are sort of the sandbags on the level i have and that is, levee and that is the

turnout operation .. are they finding the democrats and the votes but also finding people who just don't vote in the past they have put unprecedented amount of money in all of these states from georgia all the way to alaska, where they are flying planes, landing on the water to find native alaskans to sign up, person by person, that's one thing we will talk about on election night if the democrats hold off this onslaught. >> schieffer: nancy, talk about the women's vote because i know for example in georgia i think that race in my view turns on two things, a large black t turnout. if those two things happen, i think democrats which, if that doesn't happen she will lose but wwe are seeing that across the board. >> if that's right if you want to see how important the women's vote is, look at colorado, that's where w we were last wee, birth control, senator udall is bringing up reproductive rights every chance he gets against his republican opponent, cory gardner because he knows he

needs to run up the women's vote, if he is going to win. he won by 15 points am honk women, six years ago, he needs to repeat that if he wants to pull it out in this very tight rare, four of his ten ads have been about reproductive rights. there are gender gaps in all of these races but the democrats that is really what is keeping a lot of them close but also it speaks to how the democrats have to maximize the turnout operation because let's face it the midterms are not being won and lost on anybody being awarded for their recentf performance, certainly not if you -- >> you can't underestimate how central women voters have become to the democratic coalition and the obama era, this is the campaign for a lot of these candidates, you mentioned colorado, but certainly in north carolina too, it is a very simple matter of math, and if senator hagan can get a certain percentage of the women vote it is almost impossible for republicans to win. >> schieffer: have you noticed anything in your polling, i mean my sense of it based on the polling is people are so kind of turned off by the whole thing there is not nearly as much

interest in these -- it is always that way in an off year election, but i senseless interest than usual. >> yes, there is. but for the voters who are going to turn out, there is a great deal of enthusiasm on the republican side to vote against the president, and that is what is note straying the republican side and that is why they have this edge right now because they tell us in the polling that they are more enthusiastic than the democrats. and that's the challenge for the democrats, john mentioned their extensive turnout efforts which is important but the fact is organically if you look at the polling, the republicans are just more excited about this election, and while there is no overriding issue that is driving this election, a la iraq from a few years ago or the recession, of '08, the fact is that for a lot of republicans, the issue is president obama himself, and they will show up, because of president obama, harry treed a lesser extent, that is the best thing the republicans have going, look at at the end of

president obama's speech in illinois, how many republicans grabbed the sound bites saying these issues are on the ballot and put that up on the air immediately, republicans want to make president obama the issue. >> schieffer: well, is there any polling that suggests that more people are going to the polls to vote against president obama than are going to the polls to vote to show support for the president, anthony? >> yes, there are in each of these states. >> we find that the majority say it is more about being against the president, but in particular for the republicans, for the democrats it is about different issues but it is not about the president. >> schieffer: gallup poll has a poll out recently that shows those numbers more people are turning out to vote against the president than for him match the way people knelt advance of the 2010 election as you might remember that was a very bad night for the president and his party. >> and that is also why you don't see the president out on the campaign trail now. democrats say he will make an appearance or two by november 4th but as of right now, they won't tell us where he is going or when, when you do

see himn't out on the campaign trail is mitt romney, republicans all across the country asking him to come in and vote for them and work for them. >> but, you know, when we were at an event in colorado this past week, mitt romney was treated like a rock star, people were chanting run, it in, run. >> schieffer: i mean, i said early on, it seemed to me like he was sort of testing the waters here and might actually run. will let's just go around the table, do you think he is going to run? >> i am skeptical he does but looking closely at jeb bush and chris christie i talked to him this morning on this issue on the way here, bob and he says if he looks and jeb and chris christie and they aren't running or don't look formidable he may make a late move in which would be a rich turn of events because remember in 2012 romney was played by christie hanging out for all that time, and never got in. >> he knows that and keeps saying the ones most attractive

is the one that is not available and that was the problem for him when he was running and now he is benefiting from it one of the benefits of having him around, though it keeps obama in the conversation in these races. >> schieffer: all right. well, it is fun to talk about all of in this morning. i am sure we will talk about it some more and we will be right back. >>

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