>> schieffer: today on "face the nation." breaking news overnight, it appears isis has executed another american hostage. a new video has surfaced indicating that american aid worker peter kassig has been beheaded. latest on that and we'll talk to former republican presidential nominee mitt romney. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, two key senate armed services committee members missouri democrat claire mccaskill and utah tea party republican mike lee. plus america's top spy national intelligence director james clapper and panel of analysts. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning again we're going first to london and cbs news

veteran iraq correspondent charlie d'agata more on this atrocity. >> good morning, bob. the video surfaced this morning it appears to show that same english speaking isis militant seen in previous videos claiming to beheaded peter kassig. unlike previous videos this did not show kassig alive before the alleged beheading. 26-year-old aid worker was captured in syria just over a year ago while trying to deliver food. he's a former army ranger served in iraq, set up his own agency. his family from indiana they released statement saying they're aware of the reports. death of their treasured son but they're awaiting confirmation from the u.s. government. national security council said they're trying to confirm the authenticity of the video but if true, the u.s. government is appalled by the brutal murder of innocent american aid worker. the 15 minute video included gory scene which reported to show beheading of syrian

soldiers are unlike previous videos usually cut away when showed every last detail. bob. >> schieffer: thank you so much charlie. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu now joins us from jerusalem, thank you for coming. another of these hideous videos, another execution. are we losing this war with isis? >> no, i think you're fully engaged in it. we see these horrors, this atrocity the people of israel are with you we're with the family, we're with all the american people who understand that we're up against. we support you in this battle. support president obama in leading this coalition. it has to be fought isis, has to be defeated and it can be defeated. >> schieffer: last time we talked you said that us rewas a was ready to help in any way possible you did not go beyond that. are you going to take -- is

israel going to take more active role in this fight against isis? >> we're fully coordinated with the united states, we exchange all information that needs to be exchanged. i really don't want to go beyond that. i will say i think we have a global conflict here. basically the middle east is awash with militant dissidents. led by al qaeda and the isis on the sunni side the militant is led by iran and hezbollah. on the shiite side, we want both of them to lose. l.a. thing we want is to have any one of them get weapons of mass destruction. look at what isis is doing now with assault rifles and pick up trucks, just imagine what iran would do if it had nuclear weapons. both our enemies are fighting one another. we can both --

>> president obama says his reaching out to iran to help in the fight against isis has nothing to do with iran's nuclear program. should the united states try to work with iran to fight isis? >> iran is not your ally. iran is not your friend. iran is your enemy. not your partner. iran is committed to the destruction of israel just as the united states and world powers in negotiating with iran on nuclear agreement. ayatollah, the ruler of iran called for annihilation of israel, he just did that four days ago. he specified nine reasons of why. he participated in chants of death to america, death to islam. this is not a friend. neither in the battle against isis nor in the effort great effort that should be made to deprive capacity to make nuclear

weapons. don't fall for iran acerous they are not your friend. >> schieffer: there is a week left to the deadline for the u.s.-iran nuclear talks. do you think the united states should agree to any concessions in order to make a deal with iran? >> i want to be clear what has to be achieved. it's not merely preventing iran from having nuclear weapons today. prevent them bob from everything nuclear weapons tomorrow. that means that iran should not be left with the residual capacity to enrich u rain yum you need for a bomb. or long range ballistic missiles to launch them. why they have developed a list of missiles. they need them to reach united states. now they're asking the capacity to make in very short order the nuclear bombs to put on those missiles that can reach the united states. they should be deprived from

having that capacity to make those weapons. i think that is what is on the table. i think it's important to continue the sanctions alternative to a bad deal is not war. alternative to a bad deal are more sanctions, tougher sanction, is that will make iran dismantle its capacity to make nuclear bombs. >> schieffer: prime minister i would like to hear your characterization of how you think relations are now between the united states and israel. as you well know, an administration official told the "atlantic" that you were a chicken expletive. have those comments affected your relationship with president obama? >> i'm not going to deal with anonymous sources that issue all sorts of critical statements. i think that is not appropriate. i will say this. i think the relationship between israel and united states is very very strong. i mean, there is bipartisan

support for israel which we appreciate, and support for the american people is at all time high. because i think americans when they look around the middle east and they see isis beheading americans, see the chants "death to americans" they see the fluidity that is an understatement, the fact that one state after another is collapsing, they see this democratic state of israel admittedly a bee leagued democracy but one that stands for values of democracy personal liberty and free speech, an organized society hi-tech society. people instinctively understand that israel is america's best ally in the united states, in the middle east. best ally of the united states. we think america is our best ally, too, there's a very, very strong bond there. yes, we can have disagreements between governments, that happens in the best of families. but we are one family. >> schieffer: prime minister

thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you bob. >> schieffer: we go now to salt lake city where former republican presidential nominee mitt romney is standing by, governor, thank you so much for joining us. this is the third american now that we've seen executed. you said recently about the president's foreign policy, i'm going to quote here, it's tempting to think h inept. what should we be doing differently now in this war against isis and are we doing enough? >> well, first of all what we should have done by now is has had american troops standing by in iraq, that was something that we argued for years ago the president didn't do it. likewise we should have armed the moderates in syria a time ago so they would be able to keep something like isis from being formed. as a result of the mistakes that have been made in the past on the president's part we now have terrible visions being shown on tv and of course threat to ourselves here in the homeland.

the right course for this nation is to do whatever it takes to destroy and defeat isis. and of course it's appropriate for us to provide support to the iraqi military and intelligence that we should have been doing a long time ago. i think the president's wrong in saying that under no circumstances will he consider ground troops. no one wants to put-own ground troops there. if you're going to defeat something you don't tell the enemy exactly what you plan on doing or don't do. say we're going to defeat you regardless of the consequence. >> schieffer: what you're saying governor, is that if it comes to it that we may have to send american fighting forces, not just advisors, but american fighting forces on the ground back in to iraq and perhaps even in to syria? >> well, no one wants that. but when the president says we're going to destroy isis then you have to recognize that that is a statement which means something. and it doesn't mean something if you say we'll destroy it unlessor only if the following ways. you say instead we're going to do whatever it takes to destroy

isis that's something that president is ultimately going to have to make a decision on. i hope that we're able to see isis destroyed with troops from iraq and with troops from other neighboring nations. but if that does not work, i certainly hope it does work, but if it doesn't we have to be open to whatever it takes to destroy isis. it is not acceptable to represent the kind of threat it does to the peace of the world and to our interests. >> schieffer: sending american ground troops back in to iraq is still on the table. >> no one wants to call it on the table, i don't think. i don't think you take things off the table. you don't say that we're going to destroy isis. when the president says that isis is a cancer and it must be eliminated. he's right. but you don't say we're only going to use the following tools in doing so. you say we're going to do whatever it takes hopefully be able to do that with other people's troops but if it takes our own troops you don't take that as a source of our strength from the battlefield. >> schieffer: all right.

let's shift to domestic politics. a big battle coming in the congress over immigration the president saying he may take unilateral action that will keep millions of people in this country, illegal immigrants from being deported. republicans say that's waving a red flag in front of a bull. they're going to try to stop that, some are even talking about maybe shutting down the government. what is your advice to the republicans at this point, governor? >> well my advice to the democrats at this point and to the president in particular is take a breath. the president said that he was not on the ballot in the election that was just held. but policies were. the american people sent a very clear message to the president about his policies they're not happy about them the republican congress, house and senate come together with legislation that they put on his desk which relates to immigration.

he can veto it or not, but let the congress and let the selection have its say as opposed to jumping in and by doing something unilaterally in way which is extra constitutional he's poking an eye of the republican leaders and in congress making it more difficult to be a permanent solution to this issue. what he's proposing to do is a temporary solution which would ultimately potentially be reversed by a republican president. it's the wrong way to go. it doesn't help the people that are hurt by the lack of policy in this area, and it's going to set back as opposed to bring forward the needed reforms that the american people want. >> schieffer: if it came to shutting down the government to prevent him from doing that, would you advise republicans to do that or would you want them to do something else? >> well, i think there are mother productive ways to impress on the president the need to work for a permanent solution as opposed to a

temporary stopgap solution. this idea of poking republicans with a stick in the eye is not a good idea. he necessary that. i had circumstance where i fought very hard to get majority of my state of democrats whittled down a bit i ran republican state senators and state representatives we,ed very hard, i lost. didn't pick up a single seat. but instead of fighting the democrat majority we sat down said, we got to go about the people's business. the president has got to learn that he lost this last election round. the american people spoke loud and clear, let those people who were elected come together with a piece of legislation on this and other topics and then he has chance to veto if he doesn't like them. the idea of violating the principles of our constitution which is a balance of power checks and balances, that is something which is wrong and i think would not be the president's benefit. >> schieffer: governor, thank you for being with us, we hope we'll see you again. we will hear next from democrat

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ideology they're with them because of political failure in iraq. i think we need to give time to this strategy to work and make sure that for the first time we have the arab neighbors who have so much at stake in this war that they are participating fully instead of the united states carrying the entire lead. >> schieffer: we talk about what he said on immigration. he said what the republicans have been saying up on the hill, the president taking union rat hall action on immigration is a poke in the eye like waving a red flag in front of a bull. are you comfortable with the president taking unilateral action? >> i'm not crazy about it. but let me say this, i'll tell what you a poke in the eye is. a poke in the eye is for united states senate almost a year and a half ago passing by a two-thirds majority comprehensive immigration bill which republicans voting for it from places like tennessee and south carolina that got re-elected by double digits.

speaker boehner has refused to debate one of the most complicated and difficult problems facing our country. all he has to do next week if he doesn't want the president to ask, take up the senate bill amend it change it, put up your own bill. let's get back to doing our work instead of just blaming the president for everything. >> schieffer: if you had your wish, would it be that the president not make the first move here, give the republicans the chance to do something first? >> my wish would be that on monday speaker bane we're say we've realized this election was about change and being functional. here is what we're going to do. we're going to come up with a health care plan and vote on it to replace obamacare which they will not do. we're going to debate immigration, another serious problem in our country that deserves debate on the floor of the house. i am tired of the politics of, let's just blame the president let's just say everything is wrong with the president say

washington we need a policy partner here to compromise and find consensus. i think that is what this election is about. >> schieffer: let's talk about democratic leadership. you were one of i think at least six democrats who voted against harry reid to be -- to stay on as your leader in the senate. is leadership among democrats one of the problems here? >> well, i think this was a message from the american people. our party got wall lopped and i think they're saying need to change what we're doing. just common sense, it's not complicated. >> schieffer: so what do you think, what do do you from here on? >> i think we have to begin to find those things we can work on together. get a national security reform bill through we've got to find our government. i'd like us to fund roads and bridges for longer than six months at a time.

if we get out of this moan of trying to make the other guys look bad, get back to working on things we can agree on the moderate middle in the senate i hope to be somebody who is driving people to the center instead of the politics of today which had a senn ten see to be on the edges. >> schieffer: elizabeth warren, the fiery opinion pew last from massachusetts has now been part of -- voted in as part of the leadership. how do you feel about that. another woman in leadership. but is this going to leave the impression that the party is moving to the left when lot of people think only way that you can get anything done is if both parties move toward the center? >> i think leadership team hopefully may expand even more with more moderates in it. by the way the same day that elizabeth warren was elected a flat top farmer from montana who 'bout who is moderate through and through and so his voice is

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>> schieffer: for third point ever view we turn to republican senator mike lee conservative republican i should add. he's from utah but he joins us here in washington this morning we're glad to have you. let me just ask you, mitch mcconnell the republican leader in the senate, said there's no way that he's going to let the government shut down again. he's done with that. do you support that? would you see circumstances where, for example if the president takes line lateral action on immigration that might threaten to shut down this government? >> i think senator mcconnell is right. we're not heading in to a government shut down, there are a lot of reasons for that. one has to do with the fact that this president has a few options in front of him. now he can listen to the american people who have just spoken just weeks after he said

that his policies will be on the ballot. one of those policies was in fact possible executive action on amnesty. he can listen to the american people, which i think would be good. or he can turn away from what the american people have said. ultimately this congress is congress that neither republican or democratic it's the american people's congress. congress is going to stand up to the president and the american people expect him to do that. 74% of those who voted in last week's election oppose the president taking this kind of unilateral executive action. and i think even if he doesn't respect elections, he at least needs to respect the rule of law. ours is not a government of one he doesn't have the legislative power. >> schieffer: what if he does? how far would you be willing to stop it? >> exactly what we do may depend on what he does and when he does it. how he goes about it, what his proposed basis for doing that is. it's difficult for us to know

how best we should respond when we don't know what he's going to do yet. but we're standing ready looking at the fact that it's important for us to defend the rule of law and to make sure that the institutional prerogative of congress, which again belongs to neither party it belongs to the american people. that the institutional prerogative of congress to be the law making body is respected. a lot of -- >> schieffer: people over on the conservative part of the republican party i should say the very conservative part of the republican party, say that will be an effort to repeal obamacare. you know as well as i do that whatever you do on that you don't have the votes to override a presidential veto. >> that's right. >> schieffer: will that be a big priority for you or will you concede that there's no way you can defeat obamacare? >> a lot of important policies to tackle in the upcoming congress. a lot of things to go after. that is one of them. i do think that a vote on repeal

measure is likely. possibly on budget reconciliation. and even though we don't have the votes to override the veto, if that is what the president wants to do, the president needs to stand ready to explain to the american people why it is that a health care law that is making health care more expensive and more difficult for many people to get is still a law that he wants to impose on them. >> schieffer: what will you try to change it? >> yes i think also be a number of efforts to change it. among other things, very soon we will see a vote to repeal the medical device tax in obamacare. i think we may see a number of other votes on other provisions as well. such as the moving work week down to 30 hours which is hurting poor and middle class americans. possibly repealing individual mandate and some other provisions. >> schieffer: do you think -- your colleague, ted cruz, said that if you nominate for

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webb welcome back to "face the nation" our panel today. ruth, a columnist with the "washington post." the bash washington bur recheap. dana, also a columnist for the "washington post" and jeffrey goldberg is with the atlantic. jeffrey i'm going to start with you. you are the one that some official in the united states government told that prime minister netanyahu was a chicken blank. i asked him about that. the prime minister said relations are better than ever with the united states. number one, if you care to reveal who told you that i'd be happy to listen this morning. also i'd like just to get your take on u.s. and israeli relations right now. >> i'll decline your first offer.

and on the second point let's separate out issues. relations with israel and united states remain strong. defense relations or intelligence but team to people if you will, relationship between president of the united states and prime minister has never been worse. go back to eisenhower period look for a more tense. >> schieffer: what's the deal? >> they're very, very different men with different ideological viewpoints. this administration believes that netanyahu is actually put this in more diplomatic way. is a general feeling that he doesn't take risks for peace, he doesn't do what he needs to do to solve the middle east crisis. for his part, netanyahu believes that this administration doesn't understand the middle east. it's as simple as that. one leans liberal, the other is conservative. dispositions are different and so they have a very dysfunctional relationship going to be very interesting and tense to watch as they move to the iran talks how it's going to go. >> schieffer: jerry we saw

this hideous video this morning this is the worst of the worst. this seems to me that the war on terrorism is a long way from being over. you heard mitt romney say we should keep on the table the idea of putting american troops back in to iraq. is this administration, where do you think they are? >> it's interesting because president obama talking today before he leftish radio to -- asia of a actually left the door open a little crack on that question of u.s. troops on the ground. there are going to be more u.s. troops on the ground. but i think the key here is that this is a long struggle. we're not losing the war against isis but we're not winning it. we as kind of a group as the u.s. iraq, the syrian army which is in trouble, modern arab states, the saudi, is that whole collection is not winning this war, going to take awhile to turn it around.

>> schieffer: one of the kurdish officials is saying this morning that there may be 200,000 of these isis people. now that seems pretty high to me. >> that's very high. the truth is, what we don't know about isis exceeds what we do know. the numbers that seem to be most reasonable somewhere in the 18,000 to 30,000 but again they're drawing people. the longer it seems we can't stop them the more attractive they will be to radicals around the world. >> one thing that is really interesting and horrifying about this terrible video is that isis is own worst enemy. you have the administration increasingly open the door not just for more troops but for possibility of getting increasingly involved in combat. we saw this in the past. when isis engages in brutality like this, and videotapes them puts them out for the american public to see it rules up the american public and makes it

easier for better or worse for the president and military to do what it needs to take to deal with isis. >> schieffer: let me shift this immigration situation. obviously we're heading to some kind ever showdown. the president saying he's going to take unilateral action that would protect millions of illegal immigrants in this country from being deported. congress is saying don't do it. you heard what both sides were saying. where do you see this going? do you think there is any possibility, because some on the -- talking to shutting down the government again maybe we'll have to do that. >> i love this notion that everybody is floating the old poison the well. everybody has been drinking pure water up there if not already full of arsenic and pc bs already. the well is poisoned. the president has no choice he made this promise he probably should have done it earlier. the truth is he has an incentive

to do it now because he wants to provoke a fight. if you saw the way he's come out, all about fighting this new republican majority. love to lure them in to that shut down, maybe even impeachment proceedings, maybe another lawsuit to draw those distinctions he won the shut down fight over obamacare and exit polls were lopsided in favor of legalizing the illegal immigrants. >> schieffer: this may be told me that brier patch we remember that. >> everything about his news conference was saying, in the my fault, no mistake here, i'm going right back at it with climate change, with immigration, with minimum wage all the things they don't want to have. >> this has been a "let's go back atince the election, really interesting on number of fronts. climate change, threatening veto on the keystone xl pipeline throwing out with the internet neutrality. i totally agree with dana, no way he can back down on

fulfilling this immigration promise. i think that it's clear also from the republican point of view that the grownups in the party, leadership in the party do not want shut down, but with the bull metaphor and the flag it's waving the red flag and the question is, whether they can control the bull because even though nobody rational wants a shut down, it may be hard to avoid it. >> schieffer: this one issue which i think the president showing may be prepared to challenge the left, that is free trade. that is a big one. talked about that a lot in asia that is not popular on the left. that is a real litmus test going big or things republicans don't like or big that define obama agenda. >> schieffer: if you needed an example that everybody is on edge up there on capitol hill we got it this week during nancy pelosi, the house leader for democrats when she had a news

conference. our nancy cordes asked her since they lost majority in two straight elections if she was thinking about giving up her leadership post. and, let me just show you what she said. >> first woman, was not that curiosity that the boehner on the front of "time" magazine mitch mcconnell wins on the front of "time" magazine a pattern here, as i said does not depend on any of that with all due respect to all of you. but as a woman, is there a message here? something that we're missing. >> may i say -- oh, please. it's not as if nancy pelosi when she became first woman speaker of the house did not get a ton of attention including from yours truly. i think with all due respect to the former speaker playing the

gender card here, not a great idea. the really tough feelings, not a lot of fun these days. >> great week for "time" magazine. >> the covers still matter. >> schieffer: she is a terrific fundraiser for democrats. is it her fault that they lost the majority two times in a row? >> it's not her fault per se. but only question now is it the worst since 1946 or 1928? one year leader of a party that's been brought to that point got to think maybe need some fresh faces. the top three leaders, people can do very well. but they're 74 75. maybe they need to bring in a little fresh blood at higher level. you see none of that in the house. very little of it in the senate a little bit with elizabeth warren. but no indication that i see that either side is getting

ready to cut some deals or do anything. >> schieffer: we just had claire mccaskill who voted against bringing harry reid back. i think we know of six votes, six senators those votes are in secret there may actually have been more. what about this idea but she is from the left. is that going to give the right impression to the democratic party that they're moving to the left as republicans are moving to the right? >> i think she had to be taken in to account. she's a force, and she represents a force. but the other thing that's happening you had claire mccaskill from moderate part of the party she said i'm part of the moderate middle where we like to get some things done. that moderate middle just got wiped out -- at least got deluded a lot. senator pryor and haban they all lost. not as much in the middle left.

the left is right in saying we deserve representation. >> i was struck how quickly she mentioned senator tester also coming in, the flat top farmer, whatever the expression was. as almost neutralize whatever signal, which wasn't effective messaging, we're still sort of the same mix of what we were. >> the democratic party isn't really clear what it wants to be right now. it's clear it doesn't want to be minority party but not clear how that is going to be solved. toe have that debate. >> harry reid not about to change his stripes. he's an old cop he's an old boxer, he punched his future father in law, tried to strangle a guy trying to offer him a bribe. he's not going to back down. that the moderates are done he's going to be slugging it out. >> schieffer: let me go

around the table, quick answer. who thinks mitt romney is going to run for president again? >> we were talking about that before. i think he likes being on tv that doesn't necessarily suggest he's going to run for president. i find it hard that he does. >> i think we like to be president but not run for it. he's not on list of 32 possible candidates the republican party put out this week. >> he's available to be drafted to run for president i don't think he's going to run for president. >> i'm going to go on a limb, what is he doing up so early on sunday morning? i have to say a lot of the points that he's making, that he made in last campaign are looking pretty good in retrospect? >> schieffer: if jeb bush does not decide to run he will give it very serious thought. i think that is probably where it is right now at least from my sources. he'll be back in a moment with my interview of director of national intelligence, james clapper. thank you all very much.

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>> schieffer: who puts going to goat korea a on their bucket list. america's top spy. that is one of the things we found on friday when james clapper, the director of national intelligence, invited us to his office to talk about his top secret trip there to bring home two american prisoners. kenneth bae and matthew miller. why do you suppose they chose the top spy in the united states? >> that's a great question. for one, they wanted someone who is currently in the government who was part the national security council. i think i followed the korean peninsula as i served there as director of intelligence in the mid '80s. >> schieffer: had you ever been to north korea? >> this is the first time i flew over north korea with permission. when i served in korea in december 1985 straight in to north korea obviously without their permission, they shot at

us. we made it back to the south. my line first time i went in with permission. >> schieffer: let me talk about when united states aircraft transport plane, set down in the north korean capital. what went through your mind? were you apprehensive? >> yes, i was. quite apprehensive. because we weren't sure how this was going to play out. i personally was not completely confident that we would actually -- that they would release our two citizens. and so, yes, it was apprehensive and from personal standpoint always been on my professional bucket list to visit north korea, so i did get to do that. >> schieffer: paint the scene for me, you said it was night time. >> it's dark anyway. in north korea famous picture overhead shot of contrasting the two parts of the peninsula at

night with north korea being dark and south korea being lit up. that image i think was kind of sustained. it was very dark appearance. so we went immediately off the plane, in to a limo that took two or three vehicle convoy that took us to the state house. >> schieffer: what happened then. and who greeted you? >> the green party that was headed by the minister of state security, of course translator. >> schieffer: what did they talk about? >> i made the point, i was very interested in recovering our two citizens. i think they were disappointed frankly that i didn't have some breakthrough. >> schieffer: you did bring a letter from president obama. >> a short letter which basically identified me as

president's envoy and characterizing their willingness to release two citizens as a positive gesture. >> schieffer: did you take any kind of reply back to the president? >> the major message from them was their disappointment that there wasn't some offer or some -- again term they use was break through. i did take ray of optimism from a younger person who accompanied me on the way out to the airport, i think illustrates potential here for the few fewer, because i do think there is a generational difference between the older part of the regime, i say older my generation -- >> schieffer: our generation. >> yes. we were stuck on their narrative and there was i saw a

difference generationally in this person who i think professed interest in more dialogue, asked me if i'd be willing to come back. >> schieffer: let's go back to, so you got there, you were taken to the hotel was there a dinner or something like that? >> yes. i was hosted by the head of the, what's called reconnaissance guidance bureau which is their combination intelligence and special operations force. >> schieffer: what was the tone of the dinner? >> it was pretty kurt. reinforced for me something i always think i understood about north korea a country feels itself to be under siege a certain institutional paranoia that was certainly reflected in a lot of things that he said, for example allegations about our exercises that we conduct in

the republic of korea. did bring up the human rights issue at one point although we were well in to the dialogue criticizing us for our interventionist approach interventionist policies in their internal matters. it was that sort of dialogue back and forth. it wasn't exactly a pleasant dinner. >> schieffer: where did you finally find out that they were going to release these people? >> we spent the rest of the day waiting, for quite some time until late afternoon, then the mss representative came by state guest house said you had 20 minutes to pick up your luggage we're leaving. check out we were taken to the hotel downtown and much ushered in to a room in which the amnesty granting ceremony i

guess i'd call it was conducted. >> schieffer: up to that point they hadn't told you they were going to release them. >> right. we were leaving went to the hotel, then during this am mess fee granting ceremony, and afterwards he turned to me and said he hoped we had more dialogue but not about detainees. we shook hands i said thank you, we walked out. our two tee taken knees changed clothes. we went to the airport got on aircraft and flew. >> schieffer: do you think this has changed anything? >> that's a good question. that remains to be seen as to where we go from here. is this -- will this perhaps serve as a catalyst or stimulus for more dialogue? i hope so, but i don't know. >> schieffer: director how would you rate north korea on scale of dangerous places in the world? is it the most dangerous in your view? >> well these days, that's hard

to rank. there's lots of dangerous spots around the world. my half century in intelligence, i don't know a time where we have been beset by a more diverse array of challenges and crises that we are today. north corey radio is a danger spot. but there are others. >> you mentioned different danger points in the world. i wonder, could i get your take on what's happening now in iraq and syria where we hear of this alliance between al qaeda and syria and isis. do you -- >> we don't see that basically because of the competing objectives. i think what you're referring to is the al qaeda chapter, franchise in syria. and isis. they are competing objectives and who would be -- have to be subordinate to the other really

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