>> schieffer:. >> i am bob schieffer and today on "face the nation" campaign 2016 gets down and dirty as the president levels a blistering attack on john mccain and the republicans, saying politics over the iran deal has reached a new low. >> the partisanship has crossed all boundaries. >> schieffer: and that is just the beginning, we will get secretary of state john kerry's reaction and heard from rand paul, the latest republican to announce he will seek the presidency as hillary clinton prepares to announce her candidacy later today. >> we will talk to republican party chief reince priebus who already ordered a full-scale attack on her. >> what difference at this point does it make? >> par of the course for the clintons. >> they are always secret if

the. >> we will get democratic perspective from minnesota's senator amy klobuchar and answer another question, who is going to take my place? on "face the nation". captioning sponsored by cbs >> good morning. well, we begin with the secretary of state john kerry, who is at the state department this morning. mr. secretary, last week the iranian supreme leader said no nuclear deal unless all sanctions are lifted. there will be no inspection of military sites but according to the chairman of the armed services committee, john mccain a long time colleague of yours, he said that the ayatollah's comments were not what you had been talking about. and here is what he said in a radio talk show interview. >> 0 john kerry must have known what was in it and yet chose to

interpret it in another -- in another way. it is probably in black and white that the ayatollah is probably right. john kerry is delusional. >> and then last night, the president shot back pretty hard at john mccain. >> when i hear some like senator mccain recently suggest that our secretary of state john kerry, who served in the united states senate a vietnam veteran who provided exemplary service to this nation is somehow less trustworthy in the interpretation of what is in a political agreement than the extreme leader of iran, that is an indication of the degree to which partisanship has crossed all boundaries. >> schieffer: so there you have it, mr. secretary. what -- do you agree with what the president said? do you go that far? >> well, bob, i am going to answer your question but let me

just begin by publicly congratulating you on 46 extraordinary years and it is a pleasure to be on with you and it is really an amazing career. with respect to the question you just raised, i think the president has spoken very powerfully to senator mccain's comments and belief in the ayatollah's interpretation. i will let the facts speak for themselves. yesterday the russians, who are not our usual ally, released a statement saying that what we have put out in terms of our information is both reliable and accurate and i will be briefing the congress in depth tomorrow with the house and tuesday with the senate and i will lay out the facts. everything i have laid out is a fact, and i will stand by them. in the end, it is really the final agreement that will determine it. and i would remind you, we had this same dueling natives

discrepancy, spin, whatever you want to call it with respect to the interim agreement bob but in the end the interim agreement came out exactly as we had described and what is important is iran not only signed it but has lived up to it in every respect. iran has proven that it will join into an agreement and then live by the agreement, and so that is important as we come into the final two and a half months of negotiation. it is also important to note that we have two and a half more months to negotiate so this is not finalized. this is an outline, parameters and most people are very surprised by the depth and breadth and detail of these parameters and went well beyond what they expected and i think people need to hold their fire, let us negotiate without interference and be able to complete the job over the course of the next two and a half months. >> schieffer: but do you think, mr. secretary a hearing of senator john mccain i must say i was surprised by his comments. he went so strong here.

can you possibly get this through the congress if a deal is reached if he is talking that way already? >> well, again, the president spoke to senator mccain's comments and i am not going to say anything further about it. i am focused on the facts. i am focused on getting a good agreement. i think what we have thus far are the makings of a very good agreement and the key is now can we shut off iran's four pathways to a bomb? i think we have laid out and, an outline that does that and what is interesting is the scientific community, expert community joined i might adobe russia, china, germany france, great britain, their experts all agree with us. so this is not just the united states of america. this is a global mandate issued by the united nations to be able to negotiate with iran, they are the ones who created the beginning of this and the congress assisted bypassing

sanctions helping to bring iran to the table. the whole purpose of the sanctions was to have a negotiation, now we are having that negotiation and i think we have earned the right through that we have achieved in the interim agreement and what we have laid out in this parameter that has been set forth, we have earned the right to be able to try to complete this without interference, and certainly without partisan politics. >> schieffer: let me shift quickly, the press met with raul castro yesterday, the president and said he would consider your recommendations on whether or not cuba should be removed from the list of nations that sponsor terrorism, what did you meet? >> what what did you suggest? >> i will allow the president the latitude which he deserves obviously, to be able to make his decision based on the recommendation we made and i never talk publicly about recommendations that i make to the president particularly when he hasn't made a decision.

so he will make his decision in the next days as the interagency process works through what we have evaluated and i am confident we will go from there. >> schieffer: let me ask you also, hillary clinton is going to announce later today that she is going to run for president. the big controversy over the e-mails, are you confident that she has turned over all of the e-mails that were relevant to her role as secretary of state? >> well, the state department is currently in the process of review of those e-mails. it will take a matter of months i think about a month has gone by so there are a couple more, but we will release all the e-mails that are appropriate based on classification, obviously we are looking through them to determine that no classified information is inadvertently released. but those e-mails will be released at the appropriate moment. and i also have asked the inspector general of the state department to evaluate all of

the methodology of the management of e-mails here in the department so that we get ahead of the curve and figure out if every procedure that is in place is appropriate and as for myself, i deal with a state.gov address and all of my e-mails are being secured by the state department. >> all right. well mr. secretary, thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks a lot, bob and again, congratulations. >> . and joining us now kentucky republican senator rand paul, who announced last week that he is running for real estate. >> senator paul, this controversy now, this seems to totally bog down in partisan politics. where do you come down on all of this? >> the funny thing is occasionally i can be partisan as any other politician but on this i wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the ayatollah is telling the truth and my government is lying to us. now, i do think there is a problem, though, and the problem, the biggest problem we have right now is that every time there is a hint of an agreement the iranian foreign

minister tweets out in establish that the agreement doesn't mean what our government says it means. so i keep an opined as to who is telling the truth, but the thing is is that the iranians aren't helping the situation by tweeting out in english that the agreement doesn't mean any of that and they will go on with their nuclear program, they won't have inspections so it is very, very damaging to the american public and to getting to the details of what the agreement are if we can't trust the sincerity or the credibility of the iranian government. >> schieffer: so at this point you have an open mind about this? >> yes, i want peace. i want negotiations, i don't want another war but i also want a good agreement. and it has made it very difficult for someone like me who is a republican who does believe in negotiations who does have an open mind, it is making it very difficult for me even to get to the specifics when i am having trouble getting beyond whether or not i can believe that iran is sincere in the negotiations. >> schieffer: do you want a deal? >> i want a good deal. i think i want iran will give up

their nuclear ambitions and i really do want sincerely want a deal and i don't want war. >> schieffer: let's talk about your campaign. you have been reaching out to black voters to millennials you have said that the 1.1 million immigrants in this country already here should have some legal status and pay taxes. i, if i didn't know better i would think you are a democrat. to you really think you can get the republican nomination making those statements and taking those positions? >> well you add that to the fact that i am also one of the most conservative members of the senate in the sense i vote against penned spending, i vote against unbalanced budgets and a proponent of lower taxes so all of those are right within the mainstream of the party but i do have some additional things i call them sometimes the libertarianish kind of issues of believing in privacy believing in criminal justice, that everyone should be treated fairly under the law no matter the color of your skin. we still have a large problem in our country that if you are black, you are not always being

treated fairly under the law and i want to fix that. >> schieffer: i did say 1.1 million, i think i meant 11 million immigrants but you want to find some sort of legal status for them. >> what i want to do first is secure the border, if we secure the border and we know who is coming and going and only people come, come legally the 11 million that are here i think there could be a work status for them and i think what i have tried to say is, what we want is for legal immigration so we have less illegal immigration but i am hoping, open to immigration reform and voted against the bill that came forward, though, primary because it limited the number of legal work visas. >> do you think already some in the republican party who are not as interested in becoming more inclusive than you are? and i say that because after all when the republican party became dominant across the south, it was right after the 1965 civil rights law was passed. >> right. i like to remember further back 1928 when two-thirds of the african-american population

voted republican. it switched a lot in 32 but you are right it kept dwindling, gin ling and we have not tried very hard, but i have been going, i have been to ferguson, i have been to detroit, i have been to chicago, i have been to milwaukee, i have been to a lot of the nation's bigger cities and i have tried to say to the african-american population, one, i am going to fix the criminal justice system, two, i believe in your privacy, and we believe in economic opportunity. i am for a billion dollars tax cut for detroit to try to help them bail themselves out. >> schieffer: but do you think there are some in your party and a larger segment that would be we don't want to be more inclusive. >> i am not finding resistance. you will have reince priebus on here and i worked with the republican national committee and we opened the office in detroit they were the ones in charge of opening the office and i was there helping them so i think the party when i talk to people, every day, even people who are trying to defeat me in the nomination process, they will come up and say and we do like you are trying to make the party bigger so i am not finding much objection from republicans.

>> hillary clinton is getting ready to announce, maybe within the hour or so. what are her credentials for being president? we know the positions she has had but also been involved in a couple of controversies. >> i think precisely what some will say is her strength is actually her weakness. her tenure as secretary of state, there is one thing that people want as a commander in chief, they want someone who will defend the country and when her 3:00 a.m. moment came, when she was asked to defend benghazi, not just that night but f months leading up to benghazi, they were begging and pleading for more security and i think the facte that security will go to the heart of the matter of whether or not we should have her as commander in chief. >> schieffer: he is a woman and she is going to make a strong appeal to women. >> i think the problem will be with that line is, she has taken money from countries that abuse the rights of women and saudi arabia, a woman was raped by seven men, the woman was then

publicly whipped and then she was arrested for being in a car with an unmarried man. i think we should be boycotting that activity, not encouraging it and it looks really bad for the case of defending women's rights if you are accepting money, she accepted money from but inside where they stone women to death for a dull tri. >> women aren't allowed to make act sayings, women aren't on the juries women don't vote so it will be hard to say she is for women's right when she is accepting women from stone age sort of regimes that really abuse the rights of women. >> what do you think your greatest challenge is going to be as a candidate? >> i think it is portraying myself for who i am and not who people say i am and i think that is true of all politicians your enemies have to, try to characterize you and you voluntary to put forward who you actually are. >> schieffer: and what is your greatest strength? >> i think it is that i am honest. i amgen wine, i am unafraid to answer questions. someone who gets, it sometimes get me in trouble but i try to be straightforward and answer

the question and i think so often the people who rise to the top are the best at not answering questions. >> schieffer: let me ask you about one thing, you said at one appointment we should end all foreign aid, even to israel, i understand you have kind of walked that back a little. >> yes. it is sort of interesting. it is funny how people interpret it because i still believe it and always have believed that but what i have said is in the interim since i first said that is there is not much support for walking back any foreign aid in washington so you know what? let's start with the people who burn our flags certainly there must be a consensus of people who hate us, i don't think israel hates us, i think israel is an important ally and i say you know what? let's take netanyahu's position, he came here in 1996 to a joint session of congress and ultimately israel will be stronger when they provide for their own defense, right now when we give them foreign aid they actually have to buy from our defense contractors. they are developing their own defense industry which is good for any nation so i am a supporter of israel and never targeted them but ultimately

every nation really is going to have to stand on their own two feet and it should be like anything else we give to somebody it should be temporary and transient. >> schieffer: well senator i want to thank you. i always admire anyone who is willing to get out and do what you and these other candidates are doing because it is a hard job. >> thank you. >> schieffer: and it is a hard job to get the nomination in either party. so i wish you the very best and thanks for coming. >> thank you. >> schieffer: and we will be back in one minute. >>

>> mason: back now for a litter democratic perspective, senator amy klobuchar democrat of minnesota who has a new book out called the senator next door. it is not out yet but it is coming out in august. does that mean you are running for president senator? >> no, bob. i just had the opportunity, i wanted to take it to give people a little faith in our democracy, to tell my story of the granddaughter of an iron ore

miner and newspaperman and teacher and ended up in the united states senate after starting my career in my suburban high school raising money for my prom with a life safer lollipop drive so it is that story the it is story of working across the aisle and practicing politics the way i think it should be. >> schieffer: let's talk a a little bit about the politics of today. >> yes. >> schieffer: my heavens this iranian deal seems totally bogged down now in politics. also, the pea met with raul castro yesterday. somebody said he won't even meet with benjamin netanyahu but now he is meeting with one of the castros. >> what about this policy change on cuba? >> well, i think first of all he has met with the prime minister in the past, but as for the policy change in you barks i support this change, i am leading a bill with a number of republicans, including rand paul senator, to lift this embargo, we know it is going to take a while but this was a historic meeting this weekend

we have to go back to when nixon was vice president to have a meeting like we saw with president obama. i went to cuba a few month ago, i saw the people were ahead of the government, enter, entrepreneurial spirit, 600,000 people owning small businesses and there is a port there a newport, and it is going to replace the havana port which is now going to be focused on tourism, a great occupation for retirees, they can cruise to cuba but the muriel port will be a port for goods all over the world for these 11 million people 90 miles off our store and i want those to be american goods. and that is why i am sponsoring the bill. >> schieffer:. >> schieffer: let's talk about where we are on this situation with iran right now. do you think senator mccain went too far he when he said secretary kerry was delusional? >> he may have yes, i have never used those words, kerry has been dogged in his work here to try to do something which has been one of our foreign

policy priorities for a long time and that is preventing iran from developing a nuclear weapon. i personally am a fan of john mccain we work together on a lot of things. >> i know you do. >> and i will continue to work with him but that aside, i think what we have got here is just the beginnings of a framework. there is some progress made we didn't expect and now it is heading, i think, to the congress. >> schieffer: hillary clinton she is going to announce later today i know you are a fan of hillary clinton as well. what is her biggest problem going to be? >> well, i think first of all she has had this larger than life job as secretary of state and now she she has this opportunity to make a compelling case to the american people really in small groups. i love how she is announcing this pa because she is going to go to iowa as, you know, we can see iowa from our porch in minnesota and i know having spent the last few weeks in southern minnesota and places like ruby's ashton in the 10:00 a.m. coffee, people want

to hear her vision for america people are worried about howe. >> let me ask you about this you heard rand paul say here she is holding herself out to be a champion of women and she is taking money in her foundation from saudi arabia. >> well, i think those contributions to the foundation are open for everyone to look at and i am sure that for, you know, years now we have seen hillary clinton being attacked for various things but i think the focus is today, she is going to start being able to make here case to the people of this country, in small groups, in a warm setting where she sells because i saw her as a senator and one to one on those bread and butter issues and that's all i hear about in minnesota, the farm bill, those guys are just announcing on the republican side they didn't even vote for it, will go to iowa and talk about world policy and things that matter to the people of this country. >> schieffer: what if they say they ought to give those contributions back senator because it leaves sort of an air of hypocrisy about this whole thing. what would you tell her to answer?

>> well, i think she has answered this and talked about this was a foundation, i think you have seen other foundations take similar contributions but the point is this, i don't think anyone can quite match her record for promoting women's rights all across the world and if they want to go on that plane and have that argument i will say she wins. >> schieffer: amy klobuchar thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> schieffer: we will be back in a moment and have some personal thoughts and some news about the future of "face the nation". >> this portion of "face the nation" is sponsored by the people of america's oil and natural gas industry. learn more at energy tomorrow.org. >>l er... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue.

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>> some of our stations are leaving us now but for most of you we will be right back with more face the nation, including the chairman of the republican party, reince priebus. >> and our political panel so stay with us. >>

>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation" with the 2016 campaign now off and running with hillary clinton getting in the race officially today, marco rubio will announce later this week, we are going to start with the chairman of the republican party, reince priebus. >> thank you very much for coming. >> congratulations, bob. >> thank you so much. you know we showed a little clip of the latest republican ad, and you went right after hillary hillary clinton even before she announced. is there a concern that you might, you know, that it might backfire here and make her, you know people sympathetic to her with all of this starting so soon? >> i don't think so, i mean, she is kind of portrayed this air of inevitability. i think if you look at the facts of the case, which is where i really would like to stay as chairman of the party, you know, if you look at the facts of the scandal that state your names

her, you look at the facts of the recent polling, where a majority of people in battleground states say she is untrustworthy, when you look at the fact she has 100 percent name recognition -- >> schieffer: a majority -- >> a majority of the people polled, in colorado, virginia, iowa florida, said she is untrustworthy. >> when you took -- you take the fact that she has 100 percent id this is an important fact for people to understand. she has pure saturation. but yet she is losing to a number of our candidates in those battleground states that have a third of her name recognition. so if you me and you are chairman of the national party, and you have someone on the ticket that would unite your party, would help you raise a lot of money and help you recruit a ton of volunteers, you would want nothing more than hillary clinton to be on the other side. >> schieffer: let's talk about some of the things you have heard when we were talking this morning about the clinton foundation and so forth, in making contributions from foreign countries like saudi

arabia. >> sure. >> schieffer: is that a legitimate criticism of her? >> well of course it is and now she is going to be under even more scrutiny about where she got the money from, if she used her position as secretary of state, some of which is why these e-mails are so important why 60 percent of americans are saying that what she did in regard to her e-mails is inappropriate. these are things we want to know. and the fact -- in fact, i have a hard drive for you, bob. it is stop had been in, hillary.org and the clinton e-mail files it is a bit of fun but we have to do a number of things to point out the fact of the case are such that hillary clinton is quite frankly someone that the american people can't trust, and so we are going to stick to the fact and the fact are, people have a lot of questions about who she was on planes with, who she was talking, to and how perhaps she used her position as secretary of state to get money into the clinton -- >> schieffer: i was listening to your answer about the contributions from saudi arabia. they do go to a foundation.

she can't use that money personally but it also occurs to me, a lot of your candidates and the democrats as well are going to be taking campaign contributions that we are never going to know where they come from, but now you can give these unbelievable amounts of money without any accounting of where the money comes from. >> the difference is, all those other entities, super pacs, parties, individual candidates they can't take money from kings of saudi arabia and morocco and yemen and that is what hillary clinton did. and so he is going to have to account for this money. and she can't have it both ways. she can't pay women less in her senate office and claim he is for equal pay she can't say -- even. >> schieffer: we don't know she did that. >> the fact don't bear that out the facts show she didn't pay women and equal amount of money in her senate office an can't talk about these things as if she is a champion and then take money from saudi arabia that has a record of abuse of women across the world. the point is if we stick to the

facts and that's where we want to be, then we are going to be able to make the case to the american people she has a product that isn't worth buying and at the same time we have to make the case for our own party as well. so it is not just about hillary, it has to be about both things. >> schieffer: i was looking at the electoral map you are talking about, the states that have the most -- that have been the most solid he democratic since 1992 the democrats start off with a huge advantage, about 242 electoral votes they only need 270 to win, you start off probably in those states with 102 votes, or overall 102 votes. it looks to me like you are starting -- you have got a high-heeled client here. >> there is no doubt we have to be about perfect, and the other side can be about good, so the fact is, we do have a higher burden, but if you just look at the 2012 map or the 2008 map, i think you are right, but if you look at some of the things you have done at the inc, some of the things rand paul is talking

about in expanding the map in the black community and the hispanic community, all about one hispanic vote in colorado, john kason got 20 percent of the black vote in ohio, if mitt romney would simply have gotten ten, 20 percent of the black vote, ten, 20 percent of the hispanic vote he would be president right now, we are working on expanding the maps a and not just showing up every four years it is talking two or three years in knees community about things we have in common, before you go in and sell the final product. that is that we are working hard at at the dnc dnc, it is not the most exciting topic on mechanics but this is how you win presidential elections and this is what i am focused on as chairman of the party. >> let in go back to the contributions from the foreign countries. what should she do right now? should she draw the line and say no more contributions? should she give money back? what could she do to make that right in your mind? >> well, there are a couple of things she should do.

number one should show abide by the requests of the committee in congress let by dougherty to respond to the e-mail requests and hand over the server that is number one number 2 she should account for all of the money she received at the clinton global initiative and once she goods an accurate accounting people like you and others you are going to have on your show can look through it and figure out whether or not these are things that we need to look into further. we just want her to reveal the facts, that's all. >> schieffer: all right reince priebus great to have you this morning and thanks for joining us and we will be right back with our panel to get their thoughts on all of this. >> i care deeply about the gulf. i grew up in louisiana. i went to school here. i've been with bp ever since. today, i lead a team that sets our global safety standards. after the spill we made two commitments. to help the gulf recover and become a safer company. we've worked hard to honor both.

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>> schieffer: well, now break down all of these campaign 2016 moves we turn to our panel peggy noonan, of course, columnist for the wall street journal, cbs news contributor john heilemann is the managing editor of bloomberg politics david ignatius, columnist for the washington post, susan page is usa today's washington bureau chief and john dickerson, our cbs news political director who is soon going to have a new job.

so i have got to ask you john and you have to know the answers to all of these, in this job is reince priebus right when he says in the battleground states that hillary clinton is viewed as untrustworthy? and also that she pays her staff as the senator paid, has the senator paid her women workers will than she paid the others? >> on the polling question he is right, there have been some polls that show her unfavorability is up high, cbs has a poll with very high unfavorability, bloomberg also shows that in its recent poll. she has got a lot of work to do. the thing is she has been getting beaten up pretty hard over the last couple of weeks and hasn't launched a campaign, she has been in the worst possible situation. the clinton folks used to say during bill clinton's campaign you are explaining, you are losing and she has been on the explaining side and not explaining very well so today her campaign begins and her chance to beat whatever the attacks are against her with an actual campaign that has a

message. we will see whether those where those polls are in about a month after she has had a chance to -- >> schieffer: what about this charge he made that she paid her women staffers less than she was paying her men staffers on capitol hill? that caught me by surprise, i will admit that. >> i believe if, because you can check with the male and female staffers were paid, it is all public record that can be figured out. i don't know if he is right, but it is something that can be -- it is not a mystery. those numbers are public. >> schieffer: has anybody does anybody else have any -- i thought that was pretty interesting. >> there are some stories suggesting this in the past. >> yes there have. >> now peggy, let's talk about this, jeb bush has a new video out in light of hillary clinton entering the campaign. here is a clip of what he said this morning. >> we must do better than the obama clinton for policy that has damaged relationships with our allies and emboldened our enemies.

>> schieffer: well, what about this? we are getting ready to have a campaign, a lot of people say is going to be clinton versus bush again, do you think that is how it is finally going to come down? >> i think it might be a year of surprises on the republican side. nobody knows how this thing is going to play out. on the democratic side, we will see what happens with mrs. clinton, whether it is possible anybody could really come forward and challenge her. she is, i think, about to announce just after this show goes off. >> schieffer: yes. >> and then just realizing how much i wish she was in a big rally with a few thousand people with a brave speech that tells america what she wants to do and how she want to do it, what direction we are going to go in, and she meets with the press, she does two days of meetings from small groups to one on ones like this. that would be so powerful for her, instead, it looks like in about half an hour she is going to tweet something out maybe

facebook something out and then have some little video. it all feels not like the answer to her problems to me. >> schieffer: what do you think, susan? >>susan? >> it looks like she is hot taking your advice. [laughter.] >> it is not for the first time. >> doesn't need to do a big rally in order to get our attention we do nothing but pay attention to hillary clinton. >> but you are right she needs to explain why is she running what is her motivation? where does she want to take the country? and look at one of the big challenges she is going to have in that jeb bush, when he referred to the clinton obama foreign policy. >> the way she gets tied to every negative thing about the obama administration is going to be a big issue for her, and we are going to have to see how she manages that. >> i hope she ends up doing the press thing you talk talked about and i hope she talks in a big way of where she thinks this country should go in the future. >> schieffer: i think that is the key. she has pot to keep the campaign looking forward.

she has got to keep people looking out of the window at the corner of the house because the back door, that's where i think all of this e-mail thing has hurt her. i don't know if she committed a felony or not but once you open that door to start looking back, then you get into all of the things that people talk about. >> very wise man. >> ,000 a very wise man who happened to be her husband, the campaigns are always about the future and she is going to make this campaign about the future and try to make herself look like the future and that's a tough thing to do given the history ano she is not the youngest woman in the world, but i will say to your earlier question bob, she is going to be the democratic nominee in the absence of some new scandal or health issue she has no plausible challenger, the party likes her, even though as john says if you ask the country she got, her -- are trying, women, african americans latinos lgbt voters, the core of the democratic nominee electorate likes hillary clinton, she doesn't have a challenger and

raise a lot of money and will be the nominee. >> jeb bush not nearly as clear he will be the republican nominee and i think one of the things john mentioned we have a bloomberg politics poll that just came out, we have to, we have a viability question we went to people not to the horse race would you considerably might consider, never consider the country and the subsets, on the republicans and independents, 42 percent said they would never consider voting for jeb bush, that was a big that was a shocking number to us doesn't mean he won't be the no, ma'am these but that is a really -- that is a stealing on his support a and a large number of people in the republican electorate they are done with him, they do not want a bush on the ticket. >> let me, excuse me, let me just ask david and bring him in on this the whole talk of this broadcast we are talking about this whole where this deal with the iranians is right now. do you see this as impacting on the campaign? >> oh, i think without question it is an issue that will over lie the campaign. it is the most important foreign policy issue of the day the

most important diplomatic negotiation i would say of the last few decades. hillary clinton has been very careful in what she said, but the truth is, this whole initiative, engagement began when she was secretary of state and so in a sense she is going to need to take ownership of the process, if not necessarily the result. i think one problem she has peggy and susan were exactly right in saying he is going to tell the country what she wants and a part of that story is contained in her time as secretary of state and benghazi blunts that, and every time she says i was secretary of state and then up comes benghazi, there are many areas that she listed in her memoir where she disagreed with president obama and she is going to have to make those clear egypt russia syria, key areas of policy but i do think she is going to have to take foreign policy on iran and everything else and make it a key issue for her as a former secretary of state. >> where do you think we are on this agreement?

>> honestly -- >> is this going to be signed? after mccain says what he says i am not sure you could ever get it right the congress thmpleght is an unfinished agreement and mccain is right there is a significant gap between the fact sheet we put out and the statement that the iranians put out. over the next three months, those differences are going to get narrowed and there are going to be concessions and horse trading on both side and if we give too many concessions to the iranians to get the deal they will be visible and obvious to members of congress, to the public, to us us in the news media and make president obama very vulnerable, so if they could sign the deal that they --, you know, the fact sheets described, i think that would pass congress, it is a pretty good deal. we don't have that deal yet. >> the question is, the administration is now acknowledged there is going to be a congressional review at some point. they hope it is a review and not an approval, right? so they can review it but they don't have the power to block it, something like the bill that senator corker initially outlined.

but there was as the senate said in the interview with you they were surprised when the framework came out it went further than people expected if they could deliver that deal it seems to me that has a pretty good chance of not being blocked by congress. >> i think part of the story is all of this is the result of the trust that never developed over six years between the president and the congress. this is yet another playing out of we think we have a good possible deal, frankly we are skeptical of you. we don't think you do good deals and if they are not good we feel you would not tell us.y3 it is the divide that is, that has run for more than six years playing out again. >> schieffer: peggy you are not a spokesman more the republican party, you were a speechwriter in the bush and reagan administrations. i mean but you are a conservative, and i want to talk a ill little bit about rand paul this morning, because can he get

republican nominations saying i want to find jobs for these 11 million immigrants that are in the country illegally? you know, as i said to him, you know, if i didn't know i would think you are a democrat on some of the things you said. he is not like the others in the republican party. >> i would agree he is interesting, he is someone trying to expand the base, and get new voices in. he goes out to northern california, to berkeley or palo alto or something and got a huge reaction from the young people there. i have to tell you i listened to it and i like it, it sounds common-sensical to me. i think john has some information about how rand paul comes over with women republicans, that is perhaps that shows you how much work he has got to do. but i will tell you a year ago i would have thought he is a little too on the edge for the republican party. i listened to him now and i think, that's okay.

that's good. that makes sense to me. >> he is not out of the the question? >> this viability question, we have a striking difference between men and women among republicans and independents look at rand paul 22 percent of men said they would seriously consider voting for him only 11 percent of women and that gap between men and women is larger than it is for any other republican in the field. i think some of that, i don't think much of that has to do with some of the controversies he had with various news interviews he has done with various women because i don't think many voters in the country know about that but i i think the libertarian part of the republican party is male. >> overwhelmingly male and a lot of young frat boy types in that wing of the party. you know, i think the former policy thing was the bigger problem for him and when you think about the republican party right now where jeb bush caught a huge amount of flack over jim baker making statements an -- jim baker was too conservative not conservative today for today's republican party he has a huge problem because rand paul is more liberal and bake her get

hacked by the party and jeb bush will be attacked for associating with jim baker. >> that's where we are in the foreign policy on the republican party. >> and if you look at how republican candidates are looking at this deal with iran third all saying the united states is operating from a position of weakness and the response to that is a strong foreign policy and the next president will be judged on who will be strong. well if you look at rand paul's position on iran it has shifted, 2007 when he was campaigning for his father and asked about thisable and he said when i was campaigning for someone else. you have to distance yourself from your own father to get away from your previous position, you are not on stable ground and if it is about who is the strongest, i mean in 2007 he seemed to suggest that it was okay if iran got the bomb. that this wasn't worth going, as he said to war, he has a different position now but uncertainty on the iran question is not a great thing is not a great place to be for him. >> this deal that opens -- then the republican party -- he is pretty open to the possibility he could sign on to this deal. >> schieffer: let me ask you all, and david, i want to hear

from you too. you know, the first voice out there was ted cruz, he obviously is going after the evangelical vote with iowa coming up he knows he has to get in and get part of that from mike huckabee i would assume, out in iowa, i think what you will see him now is go after the conservative national security vote. he thinks, my understanding is that he can attack hillary clinton on that. he won't have to talk about the other republicans and then he can kind of lay out how different he is from them. does he really have a chance? >> well, it is so early in the campaign, it is hard to forecast the horse race but he will express that muscular john mccain style republicanism, be tough, more defense spending no appeasement. what is interesting about rand paul is, he is peeking to a country, including the republican base, that is pretty suspicious about the use of

american military power overseas, when people look at iraq and afghanistan, they don't really say, we want more of that. they say we are deeply skeptical about it and i think that is a kind of wildcard in this race. >> it is. >> so cruz will come back in the traditional, muscular themes, beat the table, more of this but where rand paul gets some traction in saying well, no, wait a minute s this really in our country's interest? >> and a for hillary clinton, because he is such adomian informant front runner the presumptive nominee really even at this point before she is formally announced he is the only target for everybody, for the republicans and she is a spokesman, she is defined the democratic party for next year but you look at the republicans and they are having a really interesting fervent debate about what does it mean to be a republican? and talk about looking ahead you know look a at rubio and rand paul and ted cruz, they are talking about different version visions of what is ahead, that sat good thing for a political party to have. >> and we have never had a dynamic like this. it is going possibly to be

boring versus bloody dynamic and full of people hitting each other over the head or something that may look stable but may look entitled. >> schieffer: all right. well we have to end it there. i want to thank all of you very much and we will be back in a minute. >> and i think peggy -- >> >> we are going to overrule you, we were all talking in the green room about what a privilege it is and has been to work for you. you have had one of the epic careers in broadcast journalism. we have all watched it. john said you taught us how it is done. it was a real privilege to work with such an old school gentleman and cool guy. so thank you. >> schieffer: my goodness. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> and we will be back in just a minute after this.

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