>> schieffer: i'm bob schieffer today on "face the nation," it may seem a long way off to the rest of us but the republicans have descended on new hampshire and campaign 2016 is off and running. >> when hillary clinton travels there's going to be two planes, one for her entourage one for her baggage. >> schieffer: most of the huge republican deal was there and to the surprise of no one hillary clinton was there. >> hilary going to raise $ billion. which that's lot of chipotle my friends. >> schieffer: we'll hear and talk to martin o'malley who may actually challenge clinton for the democratic nomination. west virginia senator joe manchin will be here to talk

politics and latest on the iran nuclear deal. plus our panel and look back at the oklahoma city bombing. it's all ahead because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning. when we sat down with marco rubio at the manchester community college he had choice words on hillary clinton, we may have to go to war with iranians to stop them from building a nuclear weapon. and he talks candidly about deciding to run against his friend and mentor jeb bush. we started with a simple question. why do you want to be president. >> i believe the country is at an historic moment. an era of extraordinary opportunity. allowing our nation to fulfill the potential. i believe i have the ideas for the country, i believe i have the vision for the country and positioned to help lead this country to this new american century. the 21st century will be better.

been it there's some things we have to do to make that happen. >> you said the other day that this election presents a generational choice about what kind of country we're going to be, didn't we just do that? >> i think obama campaigned on some of those themes unfortunately his ideas don't help achieve it. not just to have ideas but good ideas. >> schieffer: you're young grew bright you've been in the senate but to the for a very long time. a lot of republicans think the last time they chose somebody with that very same profile they didn't choose, but didn't work out very well. how do you convince your party you're not you know who? >> i think there's a dramatic difference from president obama and i and our experience. only candidate thinking about running for president that served at the local, state and federal levels so nine years in florida legislature i was speaker of the husband i'll have served a term in the senate. i'm prepared for that. >> schieffer: let's talk about immigration. you're hispanic.

you have a wonderful life story you were part of that bipartisan group that put together an immigration reform bill. you voted for it then got a lot of heat from people in your own party, you walked away from it. >> that's not accurate assessment. what i'm saying we can't do it in a piece of legislation i know, i tried. we understand that we have to deal with 12 million human beings that have been here longer than decade, we know we have to deal with it. we're not prepared to deal with it until first you can prove to us this will never happen again. >> schieffer: if you became president, would you sign the bill that you put together into law? >> that's a hypothetical that will never happen. what i would do -- first thing i would do ask congress to pass their specific bill that puts in place e-verify, entry-exit tracking to improve security on the border once we achieve that, that will modernize our legal immigration system. less family based more merit based. third step, pass the bill that

goes to ten million people that are here, been here longer than a decade have to pass background check, have to learn english have to pay taxes, have to pay a fine. get a work permit. after substantial period of time in that status assuming they haven't violated any of the conditions of that status they would be allowed to apply for legal residency just like anybody else would. not a special process. after legal resident after number of years by law allowed to apply for citizenship a. long process, a reasonable process, a fair process. but it has to happen in that order. it begins with enforcement measures. >> schieffer: your friend your mentor, former florida governor jeb bush, you say you are you're not running against him, but how can you not run against him? >> i have a tremendous personal admiration for him. my view there will be multiple people rung. we were blessed as republicans a strong field of quality people that are running i think democrats are struggling to find one. we have eight or nine. we're going to be a better party

for it. america is going to get a better president for it. >> schieffer: was that hard for you to decide well he's going to run too but i'm -- >> unique situation. i don't think anyone could envision that. comes point in time where if you have an opportunity to serve your country legitimately serve your country especially someone feels tremendous debt to america it's an opportunity i had to take seriously. at the end of the day won't change how i feel about governor bush, he will remain my friend and someone i admire. >> schieffer: why would you be a better president than hillary clinton. >> i believe the clinton presidency would be another four years of barack obama. to this point i'm not seeing her distinguish herself on a single issue with what the pot president is doing now. that is true on foreign policy. we cannot ignore secretary of state during first four years of the obama presidency virtually no meaningful achievements. >> we set russia or response to benghazi or everything in

between there's obama foreign policy during the clinton years as secretary of state have been disaster for americans. today our allies -- enemies fear us less, less influence in the world today than it did four to six years ago. >> schieffer: what is the single most important issue, biggest challenge in this campaign and for the next president? is it foreign policy? >> always begins with foreign policy, most important obligation of federal government to keep us safe. today we face threats from abroad that are multi-faceted in comparison to what they were 10 or 20 years ago. face the risk of rising china erosion of nato'sability to blunt putin's efforts. we see the rise in the middle east both multiple radical jihaddists groups, the world has multi-faceted -- >> schieffer: do you think we're winning? >> i don't think we're doing as well as we could be.

on any of these fronts. >> schieffer: can you senator, envision under any circumstances sending american ground forces back into the middle east? >> it's not the ideal outcome. there are circumstances hypothetically that it would happen. it isn't the best option. best option would be combination of sunni-arab combined army. who confront a radical sunny group on the ground and defeat them in combination with u.s. air support u.s. logistical and u.s. special operation forces. that is the best option moving forward. in the on sense of that, we have outsourced ground operation the shia ma legss under control of iran they're not leaving. if isis is defeated, they will then become predominant group on the ground you just triggered whole new era of iranian influence over iraq. also increase for sectarian violence in that region for years. >> schieffer: does that

present a threat to the american people? >> to begin with. iran continues to develop long range rockets. they're not trying to put a man on the moon. the reason why they're developing intercontinental ballistic missiles to hold leverage point initially against europe ultimately against the united states. >> schieffer: where do you come down on trying to limit nuclear weapons? >> i don't think they will be successful. leaving in place will provide anti-aircraft capabilities. chinese will build nuclear reactor capability. all of which is basic infrastructure you need to weaponize that -- >> schieffer: if you don't get a deal, what is the alternative do we have to go to war? is it necessary to be absolutely certain they don't have a nuclear weapon? >> absolutely. i think best way to achieve that leave in place the unilateral sanctions and international sanctions can you combine with that very clear demarcation of

the regime. if you cross this threshold you will face military action on the part of the united states. dough we don't want that to happen. the risk of nuclear iran so great that option must be on the table. >> schieffer: if it came to that you would -- that would be option that you would actually -- >> absolutely. >> schieffer: and use? >> let me tell you why. if we don't do it someone else will. the saudis will not watch them build a bomb. israelis will not sit there watch regime that calls for their destruction. but again we would hope to have avoided that point by severely limiting and sanctioning iran for nuclear ambitions, quite frankly i think this deal could literally deal to increasing prospects for war but -- >> schieffer: we cannot let iran become a nuclear ally. we have to do whatever is necessary if that includes going to war? >> if iran doesn't need nuclear power, oil rich country, only

reason why they want enrichment to one day be able to be nuclear threshold or nuclear -- >> schieffer: let me ask you talking about things on earth let's talk about things above the earth whole idea of climate change. you have said, if i'm correct that humans are not responsible for climate change. did you say that? >> i said humans are not responsible for climate change in the way some of these people out there are trying to make us believe for the following reasons. i believe climate is changing because there's never been a moment where the climate is not changing. the question is, what percentage of that or what human activity if we do the things they want us to do, how much will that change the pace of climates change versus how much will it cost to the economy. scientists can't tell us what impact it will have on reversing these changes. but i can tell you with certainty have devastating impact on our economy. >> schieffer: talk about social issues. you have said you're against gay marriage. do you think that homosexuality

is a choice? >> not that i'm against gay marriage, the definition of institution of marriage is between one man and one woman. faith has also regulated, if state wants to have different definition have a political debate. i don't think courts should be making that decision, i don't believe same sex marriage is constitutional right. i also don't believe that special preferences war choice, in fact the bottom line is, i believe sexual preference something that people are born with. >> schieffer: senator, we thank you. >> thank you. >> schieffer: marco rubio now i want to give you the very latest on the tragic breaking news from overseas fishing boat carrying the estimated 700 migrants capsized in waters in libya overnight people trying to get out of libya but u.n. officials says they fear this is a tragedy of vast proportion.

cbs news of course will continue to follow this story. but we want to get back to politics now turn to democratic governor mart in o'malley may challenge hill he reclinton. while all these republicans in new hampshire she was out in iowa driving around in a little van out there. just first, are you going to do this? are you going to challenge her for the democratic nomination? >> i'm very seriously considering that. i'll make up my mind by the end of may. >> schieffer: why? >> our country faces big challenges. i know that leadership is important if we're going to turn these challenges into opportunities. i have 15 years of executive experience as big city mayor and as a governor bringing people together to, get things done. and i believe that i have the ideas that will help our country move forward to a time when our economy is actually working for all of us again instead of wages declining. >> are you going to run against her or are you going to run against republicans?

the republicans is pretty clear they're running against hillary clinton. do you join in that group? do you have a different story to tell? >> i think that the best campaigns are not campaigns that are against. campaigns that are for. in other words, our country is doing better than we were four years ago. we're creating jobs. but the vast majority of us are working harder and falling behind. wages are declining in the united states of america. i believe that we need to do in order to bring people together is to talk about the ideas. especially if we're going to be the party that actually leads america into the future. >> let me ask you the same question i asked marco rubio, why would you be a better president than hillary clinton? >> because of the experience that i can bring to this job bob. the seven years as mayor of baltimore, eight years as the governor of a state. i guided our state through this recession and i did so with results that actually mattered.

the highest median income in the country, middle class is upwardly mobile. greater participation fuller participation of my citizens and economic social, political life of our state. difficult things like passing marriage equality. passing the dream act. doing common sense thing that allow new american immigrants to fully participate, pay their taxes, play by the rules and take care of their families. that is the inclusive america that i believe all of us want to move to. >> schieffer: what do you think of way she launched her cam in? all these republicans are out there making speeches, kind of doing it the old fashioned way she gets in this little van and drives all the way out there, giving no interviews as far as i can tell. hasn't had a news conference. can you get the nomination that way and how will you do it? >> i'll let others talk -- second guess her strategies and tactics she can certainly defend

herself. i have a tremendous amount of respect for secretary clinton. best way to campaign is one on one. you can't forge a new sort of consensus, you can't forge public opinion by following public opinion you have to engage with people in living room after living room and lunch counters that is the best type of campaign as one on one contact. we talk about better choices we need to make to get earn tongs rise again. >> schieffer: do you think that having more candidates is good for the democratic party? here is a party that won last two presidential elections. yet it comes down to there seems to be this one candidate. shouldn't there be more people out there. shouldn't the party -- why nobody but you, i don't mean this in deprecating way towards you you seem to be the lone guy even thinking about challenging. >> i'm not sure why that is. but i think it would be an

extreme poverty indeed if there weren't more than one person willing to compete for the presidential nomination of the democratic party. this is the way i this it's supposed to work. if you had the executive experience, ideas that can serve our nation well and ability to govern you should offer your candidacy let the people decide. if we do that then we can be the party that leads our country into the future but we won't do it unless we offer ideas for the future and break with trade deals, systematic deregulation of wall street that many democrats were complicit in and helped get us into this mess. bob governor, than you, i hope you'll come back with your decision. >> thanks very much. >> schieffer: we will be back in just a minute. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world, our whales are healthy.

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b we're back with west virginia senator joe manchin i'm going to get away from the politics for just a minute talk a little bit about what's going on with this proposed deal with iran. the supreme leader there says that we can't do inspections on military bases there. senator rubio says he doesn't think the deal will go through i'm beginning to agree with him. i think it's going to be difficult to get it done under these conditions. what's your take here? >> patrioter negotiate for peace. you look at his tore are where we are 2003 had 164 centrifuges president bush and administration took hard line stance. fast forward to today got 19,000. since they started talking about a year and a half ago at least stop from progressing. we don't trust iran they don't trust us. it's about verifying.

>> schieffer: if you don't have inspections, real inspections, how can you really be sure? >> i've been told from all meetings that we are having real inspections. they are in there. basically the first time, they are able to be there. those are the people with expertise as far as secretary of energy with his expertise. you've got to believe some of the people that have that ability to evaluate. going back into cocoon saying we don't trust, walk away from this. i don't think there's senator that doesn't want to be involved in this process. i've signed on to menendez that says as of june 30 we will have sanctions. let the people that are skilled. >> schieffer: let's get back to poll fix we can. do you think hillary clinton should have competition?

would you like to see more serious democrats in the race? >> my question is, aren't there more serious democrats in the race? >> you know, bob. i support hillary clinton. i know hillary clinton. i find her to be compassionate and tough. and i think people finding that, she's going to earn every vote, working for every vote she can possibly get. she brings more experience to the table. she's been more on front lines of any person, more experienced than any person we have at that level. she knows leaders around the world w. that being said we have to have somebody who can hit the ground running. i don't know there's lot of good people that are showing interest, there's lot of them on republican side. on democrat side there will be more. she's prepared to do the job for america. >> schieffer: let me ask you this been lot of talk, people are saying come back here run for governor. i know you many times along the

way here have been pretty discouraged where things are going. have you made up your mind what you're going to do with your own future? >> bob i had to make toughest decision of my political life at that time i had to decide, should i try to run for senate or stay governorship. i was two years into my second term. job that i love very much, people know that, job i thought did pretty well. brought people together democrats and republicans, put the state of west virginia before our own politics. we had pretty good success with that. i thought maybe i could take that same can-do attitude, same common sense approach to washington. i'll be first to tell you i didn't think it would be this difficult. it's been challenging. but i think we made some inroads. i believe that we've changed the whole process to a certain extent in the senate willing to put our country first. i want to continue to fight for that. that's reason i made decision to stay in the united states

senate. >> schieffer: going to run for re-election. >> serve the people to the best of my ability. if my country does well my state will do well. my purpose being in the state senate serve people of west virginia. most patriotic people. i know that things are not -- that things are working the way they're supposed to. i'm not going to stop fighting to make it work. >> schieffer: senator. thanks for much. we'll be right back with some personal thoughts.

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>> schieffer: i've always seld the great thing about being a reporter is the adventure getting to talk to the people who make the news, seeing things with your own eyes that other people see only through eyes and lens of others. i've always said, best training to be a reporter are or anything else to work the police beat because every story you cover is the worst moment in someone's life. if you can learn to get the right information under those circumstances you won't be phased by the high and mighty and certainly not by on the make politicians and spin doctors. which is why i want to add a paragraph or two to the rash of stories lately about cops gone wrong. this is not about them. this is about all the cops you don't read about. they deal much of the time with the dregs of our society those who prey on the weak most of the

time the police deal with them humanely as they should. what we overlook is just how difficult that can be sometimes. it's not easy to remain passive when a child beater looks you in the eye tells you you have to understand the kid was keeping him awake. it takes a lot of professional training and strong character not to respond in anger i know. because i spent my early years listening to some of these awful people. sometimes i wanted to hit them myself. i didn't. but it helped me understand how hard it is to do a cop's job right. as hard as it is great majority the cops will do just that. back in a minute. i care deeply about the gulf. i grew up in louisiana. i went to school here. i've been with bp ever since. today, i lead a team that sets our global safety standards. after the spill we made two commitments.

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>> schieffer: welcome back to fakes the nation. all all-star political panel. april ryan for american urban radio network author of "the presidency in black and white" dana milbank for the "washington post," want to welcome david cantanese senior politics writer for u.s. news and world report. plus we're joined by our own congressional correspondent nancy cordes and her political director john dickerson. it was all republicans all the time up in new hampshire this weekend, hillary clinton was out in iowa. but she turned out to be topic a amongst all the republicans. here is just a sample. >> as i was coming up i was a little bit startled because i could have sworn i saw hilary's

could bey-do van outside. then realize the it couldn't possibly be that. because i'm pretty sure y'all don't have any foreign nations paying speakers, right? >> listening her, would you like to meet the dear leader and ask him anything you would like? how does she get 'weigh with it. i don't know. >> if you looking for something new, don't look to her. look to the 35 people running for president on the republican side. >> schieffer: john dickerson you were out there, i was out there this week while hillary clinton was driving around in that little van out there in iowa. >> you couldn't get republican people running in the van. need to rent airport shuttle buses. one thing that was interesting about republicans there's so many, but no favorite. there's nobody -- maybe chris

christie doing this. the way they have in the past. free-wheeling open contest. what's interesting you see different way voters are trying to categorize these folks. on one hand they love speaker like ted cruz because he's pure. he speaks old time religion. frank luntz with all the activists saturday morning raise your hand if you want senator in the white house. about three to five did. if you want governor, entire room raised their hand. lot of senators rhetoric but do they want the executive. good thing they have ten months to do it. >> schieffer: david, you have been tracking ted cruz among other things. while they may not want senator he has to be taken seriously i think. i didn't believe that at the beginning. he raised $4 million the week after he announced campaign now raised about $30 million. if he serious candidate? >> he has to be taken seriously.

cruz campaign told me that since the end of that first quarter they already raised additional million dollars. they believe they are in the top tier. most republicans you talk to them they don't believe ted cruz will be the nominee. but when guy that has that type of money and establishing the organization, and if you look at the polls he did get a boom in iowa and new hampshire it has held that -- he's right now second place in new hampshire. will it hold in ensuing months? that's too soon to tell. right now you have to probably bump ted cruz up into that top tier at least for the time being. >> schieffer: you nancy were out in iowa watching hillary clinton. you got to say it's a very unusual way to start a campaign. she hasn't had a news conference. >> she's a very unusual candidate who doesn't necessarily need as much attention because she is all by herself in the van. probably wouldn't mind getting less attention rather than more. the question that a lot of us

had who are out on the trail this week, is this what the entire campaign will look like she's kept at distance the from us? this is just the first week. the roll out where they didn't want the marred, is she going to open up, we just don't know. >> schieffer: the question i asked joe manchin, i'd like to get your take on this, also you april. why is it that a party that's won last two elections some would say they won last three because lot of democrats think that al gore won that election. why is it that party comes up with one candidate? >> i think it's extraordinary bob. if you look at o'malley, in that interview he was hardly challenging hilary at all. i think if he's going to sit there say i did good job as mayor of baltimore, i was a good governor, as much chance of landing at the white house if he's going in there in gyrocopter. not going to happen unless he takes on more forcefully.

there is potentially a huge populous opening here for somebody, nobody taking that position. i think it's extraordinary. may not beat hilary but real opportunity here. i know you're going to have some free time after this summer -- >> schieffer: if nominated -- >> bob, you know, the clinton machine, some of the republicans have made mention of it. but there is such thing called the clinton machine, i'll telling you many of the democrats are jumping on the bandwagon. talking this week i'm telling you this now but i'm going to go for hilary. she has got everyone, the former chief of staff, bill clinton will do everything in his power to get her to the presidency. you have to remember that hillary clinton is a part that have machine the bill clinton machine. the clinton folks are trying to figure out what works. martin o'malley is not a problem to them right now. really no other rock star out

there right now. it's interesting, a lot of people, democrats in iowa who were in tryinged by martin o'malley. going out to see him got to remember iowa is caucus state caucus involved getting into a room and talking about your choices. they want more people in the race even if they support hillary clinton. i talked to one guy who is in her announcement video said i've been supporter since -- but i want martin o'malley to run. i think there is that hunger out there. >> doesn't she share a problem with jeb bush? i interviewed george w. bush a month or so ago i said what do you think your brother's main problem is, what is his main challenge? he said, he has got to make the campaign about him not about me. and that's why you're not go nothing see him make any big speeches out on the campaign trail because he himself says the minute i make a speech then it's about me again.

he's got to keep looking forward not backward. she has to do exactly the same thing, keep people from looking in the rear view mirror and keep them focused out front. >> that's why you have that jeb bush boom, he's going to be the 8 0 pound door rim la. only one here on republican race nobody really broken up. part of jeb's problem was because who is going to run against hilary. you do need a fresh face there hilary faces that same problem the answer for that talk to people. not sit in your scooby-do van not being chased by media and refuse to get out there. democrats should want somebody in there challenging here. >> only the first, i got to say did what she had to do, frankly

but she went out some of the stuff is orchestrated. she laid some experience among democrats, obama supporters that you're going to have a voice in the campaign. said look, be able to play music at the rally. pick what we do that's not how it was. i talked to democrat, are we going to be dictated by some consultant she said, no, this is going to be an iowa campaign different from last time. this is only the first week. eventually she's going to have to have those impromptu moments, have to get the scrum with reporters like all these republicans in did in new hampshire take tough questions that have to happen. really this is only the first. i say -- >> cut her some slack. >> schieffer: you cannot over state that. i complete ly agree. >> going at it learning it was the first week. going to see her at construct sites, at community college trying to figure out really what

works. beyond the scooby-do van there are -- to keep momentum going even if martin o'malley decides to jump in, even those republicans are talking about it. >> hillary clinton is never going to, no matter how many vans she's going to get in, she's never going to look like regular person who goes through all the abrasions of daily life. it came through even behind the bulletproof glass of the staged event was that she has been thinking about these issues of family wages, health care her entire life. when she refers to a scholarship she set up when she was first lady of arkansas she has facility. she's not going to tell somebody, i know what it's like to change diapers because it just isn't going to seem authentic. when i was thinking about these issues that you care about now for 30 years that's where her strong -- >> changing her grandchild's

diapers. >> she can say it. but not going to make people think -- >> think the problem still goes back to this. anybody who saw that hilarious "saturday night live" skit where she's practicing making her opening video and guess who keeps showing up over her shoulder, don't forget is that good for her or bad for her? >> i think it will be good for her in certain places and times. not good for her right now while she's trying to establish that she is the candidate, one and only front and center but there are going to be times when she can come out be more comfortable with the press than she can. he can create that image of openness that she's striving to achieve. but she can avoid it. >> schieffer: let's take quick break we'll come right back.

i care deeply about the gulf. i grew up in louisiana. i went to school here. i've been with bp ever since. today, i lead a team that sets our global safety standards. after the spill we made two commitments. to help the gulf recover and become a safer company. we've worked hard to honor both. bp has spent nearly 28 billion dollars so far to help the gulf economy and environment. and five years of research shows that the gulf is coming back faster than predicted. we've toughened safety standards too. including enhanced training... and 24/7 on shore monitoring of our wells drilling in the gulf. and everyone has the power to stop a job at any time if they consider it unsafe. what happened here five years ago changed us. i'm proud of the progress we've made both in the gulf and inside bp.

>> schieffer: we're back now i want to go back play you something that jeb bush said up in new hampshire at a breakfast up there when he got to the subject of is he going to be his on man. here is how he put it. >> everybody knows me as george's boy barbara's boy, w's brother. i have? other family members but if i'm going beyond consideration of

running for the highest office in the land i need to share my heart to show a little bit about my life experience. those that have family members i think you can appreciate this.'re not always like our brother or sister or mom and dad. we all have our own unique d.n.a. and our own life experiences. >> schieffer: he obviously knows that's what he's got to do. but how does he do that? >> i think ironic thing if jeb bush was named jeb johnson, successful two-term governor from florida he might be in a better position in the republican party. right now other than the money the bush name brings him is the money and the connection. but i think that the w stuff, he can't get around. it is going to follow him everywhere. just like clinton, her husband and what he did is going to follow hilary. i don't think he's going to be able to do it. i think that's why -- some of these polling his favability is

under 50%. that is a problem for the presumed early front runner. >> also making really no effort i think to get away from his brother and particular. you hear him out there using the word "evil-doers" we have ptsd flashbacks. where is jeb different. i don't think we've seen it yet. you're right it's a parallel concern for hilary, where is she going to be different from where her husband was. she was asked about trade this week, huge fight between obama and democratic base. just completely punted said she's not getting involved. >> she is different from obama. i think jeb bush has model how to do this. when you run for governor everybody says same thing just another bush. but also said i went to 200 schools. i hustled and spent the time in the schools and showed that i cared about the issue, in other words he didn't talk about how he wasn't george's brother he showed that he was using --

spending lot of time raising money but they hope have this opportunity to do a similar thing. show who he actually is. that's it is hard to do in today's news cycle. but that is his real challenge to actually show who he is and hope that the carack tour which has the numbers are for i'm people take i thought he was something else now he's this other thing. it's very funny at times very much what you hear from supporters of hillary clinton for their model of introducing new person that is hard to introduce as new because everybody knows her. >> nancy you think this e-mail business is going to prove important in this campaign. >> i think congressional republicans will make sure to keep it at the forefront throughout her campaign. no accident that the house benghazi committee we want to hear from you by may 1 they knew she was going to roll out her campaign in april they said, let's dog the campaign

announcement with more 'brought benghazi and e-mails. that is going to dribble along. part of the reason that i think they are afraid for her to take questions. because they're worried that all the questions are going to be about e-mails and not about her vision for the future. >> schieffer: what about all this foreign money. there's no question that lot of money poured into the clinton foundation and i guess they said, what is latest now going to limit that from here on in. >> she's put away -- separated it. >> schieffer: aren't republicans say, you ought to give it back. >> of course they're going to do that. say you should release your server to get the e-mails off. that's going to be on the background here i think throughout the problems with republicans can't run general election campaign right now. i went to the national games the rnc was giving out "defeat hilary" beer coozies, as lindsey

graham said 35 people rung for the presidential nomination. receive be more shrill than the other and lambasting hillary clinton to the point where you have donald trump retweeting about hillary clinton that is not going to win any of them the nomination. got to differentiate themselves other than how they can be the most anti-hilary. >> she has albatross around her neck, but at the same time republicans are using this for their advantage, they're going to start internalizing saying look at each other point at each other. once they start that the flack within that party will start showing whether it be w -- i'm sorry. or cruz or whoever else, huckabee whoever else. once they start looking inward

they're going to show hilary is going to rise. there's going to be back and forth, who has momentum, the issue is, when will they stop pointing at hilary and go inward. >> schieffer: one of the -- we're now in age of anything goes. there's nothing over the top any more. one of the more interesting comments made by huckabee this week, he told a radio station in iowa, i think it was, that people whose children were thinking about going into the u.s. military they might be wise to put that off until you have another commander in chief because current one is not very nice to christians. >> that's going to get him a headline. >> schieffer: got him a headline. >> and it looks like getting closer to being closer to announcing to the announcement of actually running i think we're going to have two or three more announcements in may. but again there's only so much

piece of pie. these guys on republican side, ted cruz is just as good rhetorically. you have ben carson also going to probably look like getting into the race. eventually what is going to happen you're right, they haven't -- republicans have good in new hampshire, haven't pointed arrows at each other yet. that is coming but i think ultimate argument in republican party will be who can be beat hilary. that's why hearing all the hilary comments now. who can beat her. >> it's true. because they're all trying to compete with beat her not so much distinguishing free running room what they're going to do, this happened in 2008 going to get in competition on policy. chris christie trying to wake everybody up saying i've got ideas about entitlement and social security purely because you can only do so much to beating up of hilary. >> schieffer: marco rubio has

a little problem. i asked him about it. if you looked at his profile it's very similar to that of barack obama. lot of people thought barack obama didn't work out too well. >> still novice on the hill he's got to show that he has the potential to be an executive. he can sit there at the highest and make the decision but problem for him he's so far right, he's focusing when it comes to general election he has got i am breaks piece. the other stuff he's very far right. think he's going to pull the masses of the republican party together like he wants to. >> that's why rubio is polling in the high single digits. each has trouble breaking through a dozen, 15 points here. normally you would expect some to drop out others to gain those

powers. but rubio can raise $40 million stay in this race as all of these other guys. you can't see how race consolidates you. that's where there is a huge opening for you bob, if you choose the nomination. >> schieffer: if you had nothing but a horse back guess who do you think is going to still be around when we get to the new hampshire primary? >> i think a lot will be around. in the old days they would run out of money or people would think you're kind of off to the side, you're kind of a loser. now you have the money because of the super pacs can operate around you and also being an honest man in a process that is against you is a great way to get on talk radio get your own tv shows to build your own following for whatever you may want to do in the future. a lot of these candidates separate and apart from, these are all real candidates. they have held real jobs, governors, senators, they can

pull the room. you have lot of people around which means to win you might see pretty small percentage as winning percentage. >> schieffer: we have to end it right there. but once again i've always said, every campaign is different. and certainly this one is going to be different than any that i can remember. so, thanks for all of you. we'll be back. we'll have look back at the oklahoma city bombing on "face the nation."

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led investigators to of all people u.s. army veterans timmy mcveigh and terry nichol, is that weekend then white house chief of staff leon panetta appeared on "face the nation." >> there is nothing there is absolutely nothing real or imaginary that in any way justifies killing of devilsless children. these people are not patriot. they're cowards. they're not heroes, they're criminals. >> schieffer: when the final death toll came in two weeks later, 168 people were dead. including 19 children. nichols was convicted on all counts certainly serving life without parole. mcveigh was sentenced to death executed in 2001. three months before 9/11. back in a minute.

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