>> today on "face the nation". the summer of trump continues, and we has a new target among competitors. >> finally. >> responding to a remark from a scott walker ally, the billionaire unloaded on wisconsin governor while campaigning in iowa yesterday. >> the only one beating me in iowa is scott walker, and not by much. and he grew up next door. except wisconsin is -- >> at the top of the polls and turning out big crowds, is trump a summer fling or has he tapped into something? >> we'll hear from two other republicans fighting for the same voters. rand paul, and former texas governor rick perry. in louisiana investigators are still trying to find a motive in the aftermath of the mass shooting in a laugh yelt movie theater. we'll get the latest from the

state governor, bobby jindal. and then joe menchin about gun laws and mental health. and the reporters round table. it's all ahead on "face the n captioning sponsored by cbs good morning and welcome to "face the nation". i'm john dickerson. we begin with kentucky rand paul. senator paul, i want to start with kentucky politics. you were cenas the example of a politician who tapped into the grass roots and brought that energy to washington. people are now saying that about donald trump. that he's grabbed that same energy. do you agree? >> well, any cand daift with a billion dollars worth of free advertising might help them get the message out. but i think we're doing well. we haven't gotten quite the same attention recently, but when you look at my polling against hillary clinton i lead her in five states won by

president obama. we even led hillary clinton in pennsylvania which hasn't been won by a republican in a long time. so i think our candidacy which i'm billing as a different kind of republican, we're pretty happy where we are. >> john: do you think the different kind of republican, that you're bringing out different kinds of voters than the ones attracted to trump by the billion dollars worth of coverage that you talk about? >> yeah. i've been to detroit and the south side of chicago. i've been to ferguson and philadelphia. i've gone to howard university. i am trying to say you know what, i'm a different kind of republican and we need a more diverse republican party. so i think our strategies are slightly different as far as try how we grow the party. but i think we'll see in the end which is more successful. i think the republican party if we begin attracting more african-american votes we're going to be a big party and a party that's very difficult to beat. >> john: i'd like to sku about

hillary clinton and the e-mails friday. there were reports that investigatorsed from the state department and other federal agents found that they discovered classified material in her private e-mail. here's what secretary clinton said in response to that. let's hear what she had to say. >> i'm confident i never received or sent any classified information at the time it was sent and received. i think what you're seeing here is a very typical kind of discussion to some extent, to a disagreement among various parts of the agreement over what should or should not be publicly released. >> additionally the clinton campaign says it has nothing to do with bengahzi which the investigation is supposed to be about. what's your reaction to that? >> this is president obama's department of justice saying she may have revealed classified information. this isn't a bunch of republicans making a mrlt

point. this is president obama's government saying she may have released classified information. here's the other important thing. the rules say that she should have it on a government serveer and use a government e-mail. she doesn't obey the rules and then says, oh, trust me, i didn't have any classified information. and trust me. i've given you all the e-mails. it's a little bit hard to have trust in hillary clinton when she breaks every rule and then we're supposed toed trust her to give us all of her e-mail? i think this is a real problem for hillary clinton. and this isn't going away. >> john: and to the question of what it has to do with bengahzi? >> e-mails do have to do with bengahzi. i asked her did you read the cables from the ambassador? if she did exchange e-mails with the ambassador on a non-classified setting even his whereabouts and acknowledging he was in bengahzi could be a breach of security. her schedule is a breach of

security. she puts herself at risk by having her schedule sent back and forth on a non-classified or a non-government server, and also the people that have to protect the secretary of state are put at risk by having her schedule out there. they did this because they're clintons, and the clintons think they live above the law and differently than all of the rest of america. and i think it's going to come back to bite her. >> john: talk about tax policy. you put out a video that got notice andening ta. in the voo you had a wood chipper and a chain saw you re wetr desoying the tax code. you would like a flat tax. one of the things is every lobbyist has their fingers in it and that's why you want a flat tax. how do you get to a flat tax in a city overrun with lobbyists messing around in the tax code? >> you've got that right. the city is overrun with lobbyist. and they don't want a flat

tax, they want to manipulate it to help their customers. i think the 70,000 page tax code we have is chasing jobs and companies overseas. burger king reincorporated in canada. canada's business tax is half of ours. you get rid of the favoriteism, and have a single rate. 14 1/2 for businesses and individuals. and the one thing we do is get rid of the payroll tax. if you're a worker and you make $40,000 a year, you're going to get $2,000 a year more with the flat tax. >> switch now to put legislation forward about planned parenthood. planned parenthood is under crittedicism for some of the videos. they vey people are talking about fetal tissue research.

they vey people are talking about fetal tissue research. you want to deny federal funding. how do you plan to do that? >> as a physician, i watched this video of a physician and her callous disregard for anything human about life, and just to casually say oh, well, we manipulate the baby around to get the body parts out first, and then crush the head at the end instead of the beginning. i think even pro-choice people were horrified by this. i think the abortion issue i don't talk to pro-choice friends who horrified bue this. every bit of money planned parenthood gets is given to community health centers. they do everything planned parenthood does, except for abortion. there's no reason for planned parenthood to get any federal money, and it's unacceptable to a vast majority of people. >> john: unacceptable but are

they illegal and will that help you get legislation through? >> my legislation is not whether it's liloer not. money can change hands for research purposes, but realize what this woman is saying. this woman is saying she manipulates the body around, and most babies present head first. she's moving the baby around so the head is still in, trying not to crush the liver, and talking about harvesting baby parts. whether it's against the law or not everybody in america is horrified by th, and they don't want their tax dollars going to this group. >> john: thanks for being with us. >> thanks, john. >> john: and joining us from austin is former texas governor rick perry. governor perry, i want to sku. you said that donald trump was a cancer on conservatism, and you also said that he threatens to send the republican party into the graveyard. what did you mean by that? >> i want to be clear that i'm

not going to go quietly as any individual as when donald trump lays out concept that is are outlined with the old historical conservatism. >> i think conservatism is the future of the country allowing people to live free from overtaxation and overlitigation, overregulation. that's what we need to be talk youing about in this country, and not being trying to divide the country. conservatism is about bringing people together. finding solutions. i hear mr. trump with some rather inflammatory remarks. you know, whether or not you agree with john mccain or not, his politics, you must not say that he's not a hero. and those that are captured to belittle those. at that particular point in time, ime not going to be quiet about an individual

running into the republican ticket saying that they're a conservative, but not espousing conservative views. >> so in that instance, john mccain and some of the things he said, i know they're distasteful, bihow they harm the conservative message. i think any time you have someone who is going to ask to be the commander in chief of the military, and to cast dispersion on those individuals, how is that individual going to have the respect of the men ask women that they're going to ask to go into harm's way? i think that is the type of rhetoric. we've had a divider in the white house for six and a half years. in barack obama. we don't need that out of the republican nominee. we certainly don't need a republican divider in chief. >> john: when i talk to republican voters who have good things to say about mr. trump, they say he's just telling it like it is, and they like his kind of -- that

he doesn't hold back. what do you say to those voters? >> l he's obviously talking about border security, and we've been dealing with that for the last five or six years. it's not something new to us. we understand that that is a real concern for americans. whether or not they're republicans or democrats. i think in a lot of cases americans care about the cuter. but throwing out invectives and ideas that don't hold water is not what americans are looking for. we need a serious mature conversation about solutions on how to deal with that border. i know how to do that. last summer when the president came to dallas, and i looked him in the face and said mr. president, if you don't secure the borders texas will. and mr. trump he took offence that texas hadn't done its job and we failed on border security. the real issue here is that donald trump obviously didn't

either recognize or know that border security is the federal government's responsibility. it's not the states responsibility, but when the state fails i'm going to step in and try to protect my citizens as best i can. and in doing so protecting the rest of this country. we had a very successful effort last year. a 74% decrease in apprehensions after we sent our national guard and texas ranger recon teams and parks and wildlife wardens. this conversation needs to be about solutions. >> john: the voters turning out in such numbers for donald trump are they mistaken in affections for him. why are they cheering him on? >> there's i lot of time to go and a lot of conversations to be had. there's a lot of debates. and laying out solutions, whether it's dealing with economics, whether it's dealing with our security, whether it with foreign policy. at that particular point in

time mr. trump will be requireed to get down and to lay out solutions and not juster sound bytes. >> the reality tv will gather a lot of interest in a lot of people and enjoy the celebrity of that, but for the last 14 years i've had to live in the real world and deal with real world issues. and i think that's what the people of the country want. >> john: is there anything he says that you do agree with? >> he makes a good point that we've got challenges on the border. i just disagree when he says that texas is not doing a good job when the fact of the matter is that texas rangers, the texas recon teams and the national guard have done a fabulous job on the border. but it's not texas' responsibility. i think that's the real challenge for me, is to help educate him what's going on. i'm glad he came to the border. i hope he came away

understanding it better than he had before. >> john: governor perry thank you for being with us. we'll be right back. stay with us.

investigators are trying to determine the motive of john russell houser when he killed injured 9 before he turned the gun on himself. they obtained this security video at the hotel houser had been staying at prior to the shooting. he had a history of mental illness, but purchased the handgun legally in alabama. we go now to lafayette and the governor of louisiana bobby jindal. governor, have you learned anything more about what prompted this attack? >> john, i know law enforcement continues the investigation, and going through the journals i found in the hotel room, and talked to family members. we know some things we didn't know in the last couple of days. for example, it appears and

they're still trying to confirm this -- it appears he may have been in other movie theaters in southlouisiana. we they not know dwr he chose lafayette or thursday night. we know this theater had security on friday ask saturday night. we know there was an exit with a park if nearby. heechs trying to escape. he-a wig and diguises in the hotel and car. >> why he came here and chose thursday night to disrupt innocent peoples' lives. we may never have the answers, though. >> john: people are searching for an swrp in the wake of this. what's your feeling about the person with a history of mental illness and still was able to purchase a gun? >> john, that never should have happened. here in louisiana we passed tougher laws a couple of years ago. for example this how'dser had been involuntarily committed here in lose lutes that

information is automatically remited to the national backgroup check system, and he wouldn't have been able to buy a gun or go into that pawn shop and buy that gun as he did in another state. look every time this happens, it seems like the person has a history of mental illness. we need to make sure the systems in place work. in louisiana we toughened laws a couple of years ago. if he had been involuntarily committed here and tried to buy the gun here, he wouldn't have been able to. so making sure the states are following the laws better or how does a person searching for a solution here -- what do they look to? >> every state is stressing laws and makings sure information is reported in the background system. we need to make sure that the background system is working. this man never should have been able to buy a gun. there's evil in the world and i know a lot of folks are upset and angry that somebody would walk in and feel he had the right to take innocent lives and disrupt these

families. i talked to the father thursday night i actually went to the emergency room and talked to the father of the first girl-auto first woman tlafs shot that was shot. he was desperately hoping that his daughter had surviveed and somehow she had just gotten lost in the shuffle. first responders went back in and got the license, she happened to be it is very first person that houser shot and killed. that's news no father wants to get. tomorrow that father and mom, they have to bury a child. no parent should have to go through that. there's a lot of tough emotions here in louisiana. a lot of angern and grief over why this mad man came in here and disrupted peoples' lives. his daughter simply went to a movie. >> john: let me ask you built funeral service tomorrow. the westboro baptister church is threat i think to disrupt. what do you do to keep them

away. fi. they try to disrupt this funeral, we're going to arrest them. they shouldn't try that in louisiana. we want to let the families grieve and celebrate their daughters, their childrens, their spouses lives in peace. they better not try that nonsense here. >> governor jindal, thank you for being with us. >> thank you, john. >> john: joining us is now to manchin: you worked on gun legislation until wake of the you new town shooting. >> it's gun sense. i don't know a person who hab adjudidateed mentally opener a criminal to be able to get a gun. we're just saying shut down the loopholes with the background check. with that said we need to have a thorough job and people need to turn records in, and we know who is criminally

prosecuted or adjudicated mentally. and it gets into the system, and right now a lot of states and territories and areas do not do it, and they need to do that ask make sure it's done, and used the way the government does to make sure we have an accurate data base. i understand it was a pawn shop. i'm not saying he did anything wrong. but somehow that shouldn't have happened. him having a criminal record and a mental problem on top of that. he was a double whammy on us. >> john: is there any federal solution to what you're talking about. somebody slips through the cracks here. what's the political environment for any federal gun legislation? >> right now republicans -- any of my friends on the republican side of the isle to help us with the most reasonable sensible path forward. pat toony worked on this, and we looked at this, and it's not gun control. it's just saying if you go to a gun show, commercial

transaction, we need ton who you are, and if you have a problem before. if you've been criminal or a mental problem. and if you go on the internet, those are two ways we don't have personal contact. we give rights back to law abiding gun owners. but people are scared. they say i'm scared because i don't trust the government. and it's a shame when you get in that position that you don't trust anybody. we're not going to let that happen. we protect skkd amendment rights. we have to step forward with the fbi backgowned checks and make sure the courts on doing their jobs. >> let me ask you about hillary clinton as a democratic representative. you heard what senator rand paul said. he said this is not just a political witch hunt. this is people from within the obama administration looking into the e-mails and the private server. >> when i became governor, people sit down and counsel you and tell you what you can and can't do and what's done

in the past and how people handled these affairs. and i'm sure hillary went through the same situation. she's more high profile. with that said, they're watching her closer f. she's done something wrong, it will come forward. we haven't seen that. she's willing to testify and turn things over. she's done everything asked. >> the one thing she won't turn over is the server. that's something she did she had her own system at home. >> basically she had her husband, who was a former president they used the server he had. it's a situation where a sitting ment, and he basically served his term out and his wife steps in. it is what it is. i think basically we should be talking about the problems we video in the country. >> your administration would have to have support. one of the ways they train the argument is if you don't get a deal here, there's going to be military action.

if it's a way to stop military action would you support this deal? >> ifrt first of all john, military action, we can do that any time. we can drop a bomb, anyplace, any time, anywhere. i'm saying if we can prevent that war tr starting, and prevent us from getting bogged down in another middle east conflict that we have been in 13 years -- if money or military might change thated part of the world we would have done so 10 or 12 years ago. for us to get drawn in and if we can do this with amlies, and that means there's five other countries involved i've spoken to representatives at four out of five count reaps ask they believe this is a path way to be taking. i'm looking at allhe information. >> you've done a lot of reporting. are you going to support it? >> i'm leaning strongly towards that because of the options.

the only other option is to go to war and i'm not ready to send our people into harm's way again until the people of that part of the world want to clean up their own mess. >> john: so you're eye tentative yes? >> i'm leaning. if something shows me different, and basically the other count reeves are not with us -- we can't do it alone. >> john: we have to leave it there. we'll be right back. stay with us.

>> john: we've got a lot for "face the nation" coming up. including a look at donald trump and break ups with fellow republicans.

>> john: for mote of you, we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation". right back with a lot more "face the nation".

>> john: welcome back to "face the nation". i'm john dickerson. donald trump and the republican party are at eye rocky patch in relationship. let's look at the story so far. before donald trump was a presidential candidate he was known for a high profile divorces. he's happily married now. it's his political relationships blowing up. first a slip from lindsey graham who trump says once called him asking for a favor. >> he called and i never met the guy and wanted a contribution. >> gave trump his private cell phone number. >> i don't care if he drops out. stay in the race, just don't be a jackass. >> so trump gaich out graham's phone number to the world. >> i wrote the number down. i don't know if it's the right number. >> now he needs a new phone.

at least he's a sport about th e whole thing. trump was also once found of rick perry. but that was four years ago. and now -- >> he's doing poorly in the polls. he put glasses on so people will think he's smart. >> so perry got personal too. >> donald trump's candidacy is a cancer on conservatism and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded. >> next is scott walker. trump split with him after a walker fund raiser referred to trump at dumb, dumb. >> he was in high office five months ago giving miaen award. i like scott walker. he's a nice guy. but today one of his people hit me. i said why is he doing that? the person is a stupid person, but why is he doing that? he hit me. i said now the gloves are off. >> no one has thrown a lamp yet, but trump suggests he might leave the party and run

as an independent. >> i doont want to do independent. if i'm treated poorly that's one thing. if i'm treated well with respect and don't win i would not do that. >> republicans worry that trump, the independent candidate will steal their voters and hand the presidency to a demcalt.ocrat. >> so while things are heated with republicans they might want to to send trump flowers. joining us is cbc congressional correspondent, bloomberg pms managering editor, and the washington bureau chief of the "wall street journal", and a writer for slate magazine. >> nancy you were until thick of the trump madness. tell us -- we talk on the show about who's supporting him, and the nature of the support. what did you discover out there? >> i talked to a lot of folk who is stood in line for hours to hear him.

some people say i loved him on the apprentice. some people said he's sticking it to the president and other republicans too. some people said you know, i don't think i'll vote for him as president, but i love what he's saying, and i want to hear more >> and then people love a good show. when you go to one of his events it feels like a cross between a one man show and a standup routine. and that's entertaining. >> john: governor rick perry said we've seen this before with various candidates they come and go. is that the trajectory of the trump rocket? >> no. we've never seen this before. we've never seen a candidate who has a hundred percent name i.d. and has $10 billion of net worth. even conservative estimates, dlx*f$4 $5 billion. and because of that, he's determined not to play by anybody's rules, and the way

the modern media works the cable eats up, and ratings are high everywhere from the liberal to the conservative sphere. there's no ipinceptive until the votes are cast. there's no reason why donald trump did not continue to do what he's doing which is to dominate the discussion, blot out the sun suck up all the oxygen whatever cliche you prefer. i've used all of this. >> john: are you docked for not using a sports metaphor. >> janel. they said it was a billion dollars in free teasing. a poll shows in iowa, trump is second only to scott walker. and then in new hampshire that the crucial early state, donald trump is on top. 21%, and a washington poll also showed him doing well. who is he blocking out? what's happening to the rest of the field in the summer of trump? >> he's blocking out ted cruz,

rand paul, to a lesser extent, scott walker. trump is pulling from this group of voters that are under rechted in terms of media attention. these are people who are suspicious of outsiders to the country and want a restrictive immigration policy, and the nationalism that trump brings to the board. and typically no one directly appeals to the people, they dance around all the issues. but trump is outright saying, you know, ip topt keep immigrants out. i want to go to war with more countries. and if you want those things, support me. and for everyone in this mrlt space that trump ask it makes it more difficult for them. whenever he leads they expect someone else to begin talking about that too. >> john: when he leaves might he leave and go his own way and become an independent? >> i think it's a real

possibility. he's not seem like the kind of guy that will exit quietly and graciously after he loses the iowa caucuses. he's getting oxygen, as you said, sucking the oxygen out of the room for everybody else. i don't think he necessarily is going to go easily. he uses the word i an awful lot. this is about trump frump in the end. i will say there's another thing the polls show you which is that his unfavorable ratings are high. this is not a popular person. people tend in the end to vote for people they like. i'm not sure people who say i'm for donald trump like donald trump. and in the end that's not for real votes. >> holding two simultaneously ideas. one is donald trump is not be the republican nominee ask the other is he won't be president. but at the same time he matters. he can continue to effect the race. and i think this is a brilliant thing he's doing with the republican party.

right now, the interest of fox news and the republican party which are normally in perfect alignment are not. everybody in television wants trump. everybody in the party doesn't want trump. and trump is threatening the party and saying if you try to block my akis and try to shut me down, i will gf third party. that's what will happen, and he would draw from republicans. that threat -- the party doesn't have that much power, but that's a powerful threat if he goes forward and looking for the oxygen and then he has months where he could occupy minds and media talking about whether or not he's independent. and they will court him and bribe him to want do what they don't want him to do. it could go on for month it is. >> and in in environment, normally high unfavorite is a death nail. but even if he has a deal feeling, ative% that's enough for him to come in first or second in iowa.

>> john: in advance of the fox debailt. there are going to be 10 on the a stage. you've been perry and graham try to use trump as a foil. have they gotten anywhere? will we be talking for those candidates were it not for trump. >> i don't think we would. i think rick perry is glad donald trump is at the top of the polls. it gives him a chance to indulge rhetorial barbs. on the other end if you aren't inclineed to attack trump you have to up the an tee. and huckaby is saying -- it's insigne to say. it might be enough. >> john: sit tight we'll be back with miles per hour in a moment.

>> john: i want to ask you about hillary clinton. her private server. a new development about the e-mails, and possibly classified information. what do you think. >> it matters because it keeps an issue alive and it's an issue that takes people back to the question can you struft hillary clinton. is she honest. i thinks there's thousands to come out. and it matters for another

reason. hillary clinton said interesting things this week about changing corporate incentives in america away from the next quarter short term incentives and harm long term investment. it got no attention, maybe in the pages of the "wall street journal". but this kind of thing destraights from the substance of >> and it came and swamped it a little bit. there's also a chance we will government and it works out. what will it look like. how will it go down? >> back to the question. i'll answer that. it's amazing from their point of view. there was criminal perfectly against hillary clinton then say they'd it was the e-mails

in general. today they walked back the criminal part because it's apparentedly not true. the world hillary clinton was in friday, if there were criminal referrals it would have been a huge catastrophic problem for the campaign. now it looks like this is a matter of whether there mucher -- you know, may have been classified and she didn't know they were classified. and the marked classified. there's a debate. that's a better place to be. it's bad for the store tow keep going on. compareed to friday when we thought there were criminal charges, it's better than that. i think these questions go to the question of the gauze gau hearing, and what the argue cemetery all about. when is it going to take place and what is going to be allowed to be discussed. what is the scope and when is it going to happen. we don't have an agreement yet. >> i think that's a funny conversation to v because the

idea you could constrain a bunch of house members through particular questions is laughable. i've never seen a hearing where house members agreed to ask about certain things and want others, ine if they were told they had to. they wouldn't do that. they ask what they want. >> and the hillary team is handling intelligently say i want to testify. what's your problem with me? they will discuss the e-mails. they're not trying to rule that out. that's not off limits, and i think that's smart because they have to talk about it. >> and also her team seems to bank it is on the hopes that in this hearing, members of congress will behave as they occasionally do, go over the top, and she'll be able to use that. you think she has a shot at turning that to her advantage. >> if i bet monot i would say so. >> somebody is going to say something that will give her a chance to play off of it and say this is a witch hunt. there's no evident of wrox*ng adoption on mywrongdoing on my part

or the state department. give me a hundred dollars to bet on this, and i think that's going to happen. >> another interesting thing that happened in democratic politics. martin omaly and bernie sanders were heckled and confronted by the black movement. put that in context. is that important? what does that mean? >> it's important and illustrative about both parties. right? the activist parts of the parties are praying fraying at the seams. in terms of the trump movement, and there's a fraying at the seams in the democratic coalitions with the activist part of the democratic base raising its voice and wanting to see not just the old kind of language of the democratic party patronizing and wants to move on, people in the activist base of the party are saying we want action now this is an

urgeept moment. we want to hear more about the typical voices in the past. >> john: and janel you janelle wrote all black lives matter. why doesn't that ring true? >> i think a good analogy would be if you want to a fund raiser about breast cancer, and you want to raise money for breast cancer and somebody in the audiens says we have to do stuff for all cancers too. in that moment, the reference to all cancers acts as diverting attention. at this moment we're talking about breast cancer. likewise, the black lives maefrt activist are right there's an acute problem with police violence against black americans bing. you think it's an addendum. black lives shouldn't be subject >> ask to say all lives

matter. reads as a dodge or a dismissal. >> hillary clinton was want at that event but talked about this issue on the stump. >> the first time she didn't get it right and improved since then. and i think the frusteration stems from the fact that these activists feel you haven't paid enough attention to this movement to understand what we want to hear. to understand what the movement is about, that this is not just about civil rights. this is very specific, and you're not saying what we want to hear. you're giving us platitudes and generalities. you're saying what you've done for the community in the past. we want to hear specifically what you're going to do about this issue going forward. >> i'll say one other thing that's important. >> this is why bernie sanders will not be the democratic nominee. not enough strength with minority voters. hillary clinton has that. he is consigned to difficulty because of little support among african-americans and hispanic.

>> john: i want to thank the panel. we'll be back to talk about new developments in the war on isis. oh my gosh, it's the guy from last night.

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>> john: turn to the war on terror. joining us first on the analysis is former obama security adviser, and the chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers. now the host of something to think about. tom, i want to start with you. this week in turkey. turkey actively joined the fight against isis with airstrikes and allowing the u.s. access. how important is that? >> i think it's very important. we've had a difficult time with turkey. they've been very reluctant to get involved. they haven't alloweditous use the facilitys in turkey closer to the fight in searia. so it's significant, and it awrieses out of their recognition in turkey that they now face a threat from isis. they had a terrible bombing with 30 people killed and they indicated they're going to take direct against against

syria, and indicateed in principle. they would allow u.s. forces to operate out of airbases in turkey closer to syria and undertaken a sweep of isis through terrorist organization organizations. itch we have a difficult time, and 43ed in principle, and haven't laid down -- it brings us closer. the airport is only 50 miles from syria and would make it more effective. >> we've had two instancings in which the fbi direct are and the loretta lynch. and the al-queda. what's your view of that? >> i think it is for a couple of reasons. over three years there's been a little bit of foreign policy neglect when it comes to isis. we watched this professionalize their propaganda machine and grow militarily and finance themselves and recruit.

>> without anything that disrupts their flow or ability to promote the idea they're winning. why it's important at home is now that they've been able to -- every single fbi field office all 56 fbi offices have opened investigations against isis, either sympathizer or somebody who expressed an interest, or participating in financing or and recruiting. that's a serious problem. al-queda is still a threat, but ice sis communicating with the youth of the ice in the use. the youth of the ice in the use. we've seen that in arrests and attempted activities here. >> and we've been working on the issues for a long tile together. time together. >> the terrorist threat has evolved and metastasized. this is an important evolution with a terrorist threat against the united states.

isis is unique and dangerous in terms of scale. >> it's a problem and very sophisticated social medeia. it's important we don't under estimate. >> because of the size of the attack or-i. two reasons. one is the style of attackings, but most importantly because of their intentions. the purpose and the stated purpose and focus of al-queda is focus of attacks in the west. >> and they have active cells participating to plan and coordinate those attacks. that's why al-queda remains dangerous. >> isis grew up in iraq in part. what's your sense of the way things are going in iraq? >> isis is a successor of al-queda in iraq. and it has grown up quite

fast. it's unique in terms of foreign fighter participation and social media and the scale and approach where it has occupied territory in iraq and trying to build a protostate. it's absolutely critical in the united states in terms of a threat in the region that we shrink isis. that we attack t shrink it and ultimately defeat it. why? because the great strength of that organization is the success, and until we stop the narrative of success, it will continue to have success. now we have not shrunk this fast as possible and that hatches. that's largely because we haven't been able to take back territory. >> john: change to the iran nuclear deal. what's your feel being this deal? boil it down for us?

>> it's important to recognize that thinking it's this deal or war is fundamentally incorrect. i've looked through the deal several times. there's problematic areas. opening them up to receipt of conventional weapons want that adds to the notion much destablization in the region. very concerning. the fact that we not only guide thlt path to their program, we light it. we're going to need all the scientific gaps that they've experienced in trying to develop a nuclear weapon program n. this agreement it provides scientific relief to fill all of those gaps. they'll have capability to understand the components of a nuclear weapon. i think that's why people are concerned. >> tom what's your feeling about this? >> this is a solid sensible deal and national security of

the united states, and a number of things and we have a shrunken closely inspected verified and monitoring iranian nuclear program. it's not deniable for the next year or decade and a half, the pathways towards a nuclear weapon to psycheser ran will be cut off sk, it acts for a couple of decades. intensive monitoring and allow to have keen insight into whether they're moving towards a nuclear weapon. in terms of security for the united states. to roll back this program, stop it, and have inspections and monitoring of it is a positive thing. >> john: we'll have to leave it there. we'll be back to this issue. we'll be right back.

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