>> dickerson: today on "face the nation." >> john boehner stuns the political world. he's here to hell us why. john boehner was all smiles when he met reporters of a her his bombshell announcement. >> it's been churning for a couple of months. not good for the member. not good for the institution. >> dickerson: will his stepping down fix the chaos. speaker boehner here with us to stalk about his decision and what impacts that emotional day with the pope had on him. and talk with bernie standers sand long time boehner friend and republican, ohio governor john kasich. we'll have political analysis take look how just for a moment it wasn't business as usual in washington. all come up on "face the nation."

captioning sponsored by cbs welcome to "face the nation." speaker john baner with us. this interview had been planned for some time. we will talk about the pope's visit but the big announcement. so i want to talk to you about that let's get right to the news. four days the government runs out of money is throwing go to be a shut down? >> no. >> senate is expected to pass, house will take up the senate bill. also take up select committee to investigate these horrific videos that we've seen from abortion clinics that in several states, raise questions about the use ever federal funds and raise questions about abort the fetuses. >> dickerson: the continuing resolution will that require votes? >> i sect my colleagues will

keep the government open. >> dickerson: what about the rest of the business you want to get done before october 30th? >> i've got another 30 days to be speaker. i'll make the same decisions the same way i have the last four and half years. to make sure that we're passing conservative legislation. that good for the country. i expect a little more cooperation from around town to get as much finished as possible. i don't want to leave my successor a dirty barn. i want to clean the barn up before the next person. >> dickerson: let's talk about the state. a lot of your colleagues i've talked to who have served with you, used the word dysfunction say that you had to resign because it's a sign of how things dysfunctional are with the house. >> i wouldn't call it dysfunction. disagreement, yes. i said on friday

i was planning on leaving at the end of last year when my prepared lost his primary election in july of also year. i just couldn't belief. i had to provide transition for the next leaders. i planned on serving through this year and on november 17 i was going to make announcement. on thursday evening friday morning, why do i want to put my colleagues through this when i'll make my colleagues -- why put institution through this. it was the right decision. i thought we handled it the right way. >> when you talk about decision they were going to have to go through. going to be -- >> motion to vacate the chair. >> kick you out of your job. help at home. >> winning that vote was never an issue i was going to get the

overwhelming numbers of votes. but make my members republican members walk the plank. because criticized at home. by some, who think ought to be more. accomplished a lieutenant over the four and half years that i was speaker. whether it of the largest deficit, saving $2.1 trillion 899% of the american people from increase in taxes or first major entitlement reforms in 20 years. all done over last foyer and half years with democrat president all voted against by my most conservative members because it wasn't good enough. really? this is the part that i really don't understand. gave us system of government, majority of the house need 60 votes. the president gets to decide.

some parliamentary system if you won the majority you got this long slow process. change comes slowly. too slowly for some. >> are they unrealistic in government? >> absolutely. but the bible says, beware of false paragraph pets. there are people out there spreading. noise about how much can get done. i mean this whole idea that we're going to shut down the government to get rid of obamacare in 2013 never had chance. but over the course of the august recess in 201 course of september. lot of republican congress who knew it was a fool's errand, all this pressure to to do this we have groups here in town, members of the house and senate here in town whip people into a

frenzy. they know are never going to happen. but 25 great years here in washington, great staff great colleagues, very thankful. to my family and my constituents for giving me the honor. >> dickerson: is ted cruz a false prophet. >> pick a lot of names out i'll let you choose them. >> dickerson: you don't debate that? >> i'll refer to you my fundraiser in august in colorado. >> dickerson: let me put up a picture as you as member of gang of seven 25 years ago the last member of gang still serving, do you -- got some things changed do you see any of yourself in these current conservatives who are giving you deprive now? >> no. i was a rebel. it wasn't about shaking up the

republican. the house was run as one democrat chairman called it the last plantation in america: the post office scandal. my share of members to jail over ism proper activities in the house. but all that have bee we began to question how the house was being run ther from of the house: helps us write the contract with america get into the majority. it's been a great run. >> dickerson: let me ask you about -- you called, i believe you word jackass. button that up for the america people. switching to a much more bigger topic what was the bigger topic being named speaker or dash.

>> grew up as altar boy was a big deal. i've tried with the last three popes to get them to address joint session of congress. the first time i did this, back in 1995 or ''96 somehow showed up my mother called my, still alive then, my mother never called me. i answered the phone john, it's your mother. now listen i see you're inviting the pope, if he's there, i'm there, you got it? >> dickerson: he was with you this time. >> well, looking from above. dickerson: that's what i mean. tell me about that day. the impression it left on you big deal, then you're in his presence. >> yes. a nice greeting when he came to the capital once the cameras were gone and hope sat down i

said, your holy father you're on boehner time. he looked at me funny that means you're on time or you're early. you're early. we had wonderful chat and cardinal rolle and myself got in the conversation about education and the kids. then the meeting broke up, my family came in my six week old grandson allister was blessed by the hope. >> dickerson: when you -- you told another store row what the hope said to you about prayer. >> we left where the hope addressed all the people in the capital we came through my office the hope went down to

the firster from on my elevator i took the steps down to the first floor, in which we now call freedom foyer i was standing there with the pope, the cardinals and the entourage was all moving out to their vehicles and the pope takes his left arm grabs my left arm pulls me near him and saying nice worse, i wouldn't repeat because it cause me to cry. then put his arm around me and pulled me right into him and said, please pray for me. well, you can imagine, i was a mess. who am i to ray for the snow but i did. >> dickerson: there is belief in the catholic church that the holy spirit can move us. did it after that visit to make this decision for you? >> it helped clear the picture.

i never related one of these instances to the other. but by friday night it was obvious, it's time to do this j. so you woke up -- >> thursday night. woked up to starbucks and back. walked to -- at 7:45 i said, yeah, it's time to do this. >> dickerson: in a year or so you will be back in the hall nor the unveiling of your portrait. what do you want them to stay about you at that ceremony some. >> he was a good man. dickerson: that's it? >> all. dickerson: and do you have anything that you can say now that you're headed out the door that you wouldn't have said if you had to go through another election? >> no. i love my colleagues. even ones may disagree with me.

i love the institu i tried to do the best thing every day. i'm a simple guy. do the right thing for the right arenas the right things will happen. >> dickerson: tell us about your thoughts about president obama. you worked on that grand bargain, didn't come through. reflect on that for a moment? >> it's probably one of the best egg disappointments in my speakership. we were so close to having -- two days later the president walked away from it. save about $5 trillion. been good for our economy, good for the country good for the kids and grandkids. but it's washington. things happen. and on friday morning, nice conversation with my dear friends george w. bush. all my legislative colleagues.

>> dickerson: what advice do you leave for your successor about the job. >> do the right things for the right reasons. >> keep the country best interest in mind. and have courage to do what you can do. it's easy to have the courage what you can't do but the courage to do what you can do. our system of government is not about hail mary passes, it's the woody hayes school of football. three yards and a cloud of dust. it's a slow methodical process. >> dickerson: one last, what are you going to do now by the way? >> i don't know. i made that decision, we'll figure it out. >> dickerson: one thing this i heard a rumor about that you might be able to admit now that year leaving, do you do yoga? >> i do.

not as diligent as i used to be a year ago. but i do. matter of fact i thought about it this morning because it's great far my back. i've had back problems for 50 years but older you get all those tendons muscles wall want to tighten up. >> dickerson: thanks so much for being with us. >> nice being with you. dickerson: we hope to see you again. you'll come back in retirement? >> we'll see. dickerson: lots to talk about. we'll be back with democratic candidate bern my name is watson. i'm helping doctors keep people healthy. take ted here. i'm pulling together data he shared from his wearables health records and family history, so we can analyze it. he's doing everything right... for the most part. no pain, no gain.

you are a beast, ted. my name is watson. how can i help you? >> dickerson: joining us now is vermont senator bernie sanders. welcome. i just wanted to get your reaction to john boehner's news, he came to congress with him at the same time. >> well, john has had

impossiblely difficult job trying to reconcile the conservative wing of his caucus with the extreme right wing of his caucus that will not do anything, pass any legislation that barack obama will sign. it's an impossible job i admire him for hanging in there. >> dickerson: another piece of news this week, scott walker folded his campaign you've talked a great deal about the billionaire class that influences politics by getting money to candidates. the koch brothers were a big supporter, he dispoured from the presidential race. is that a rebuttal to your argument that big money calls the tune in politics? >> i wish it were, i wish that the koch brothers say gee, now take the 900 million that we machined to spent supporting

right wing republicans than either the democratic party will spend we're not going to spend it. i don't think they live that lesson. the power of money over political process is horrendous. i think that super pacs are playing destructive role in our political system and i will do, if president everything that i can to see that this citizens united, supreme court decision is overturned. american democracy is not about billionaires trying to buy elections. >> dickerson: you did something you went into audience that is not there just to applaud you automatically you went to liberty university, fundamentalist university you brought your same message one of the things that you said that the audience knew you had disagreement on the question of 'worse on or same sex marriage but asked to put them aside.

the inequities, would you have the same message for liberals that on those issues that really stopped fighting about though focus on the big thing which is the economic inequality? >> this is what i said at liberty. this is what i believe. i am pro choice, i've always been pro choice. i am strongly in favor of gay marriage i know that at liberty university people there have honest disagreements with me. i said, any time when we have grotesque level of income and wealth inequal. all the wealth going to the top 1% when we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country on earth many millions of americans are working two or three jobs just to sustain themselves can we not get together and talk about creating an economy that works for all ever us and not justionaires and billionaires.

when children go hun america, that is an issue. when 51% of african american kids are unemployment or under employ at liberty university among these communities you have some very sincere honest people who take these issues seriously. by the way many are concerned as pope francis is, about climate change. the need to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel they believe that the earth created by god cannot be destroyed by grief. my question was can we work together to address those issues >> dickerson: like to play something for that you jeb bush said on the campaign trail and get your reaction to it. >> message one of hope and aspiration, wasn't one of did i kicks, get in line, we'll tear care of with you free stuff. our message one that is

uplifting you can achieve success. >> dickerson: that kind of argument that will be used against you if you use the no, ma'am knicks. your promising health care for all free college bunch of free stuff. unrealistic, what is your reaction? >> let's be clear that jeb bush is proposing massive tax breaks for the richest people in this country. while he will fight to cut social security and medicare and programs that tens of millions ever elderly people and middle class people are working class people are depend upon. i happen to believe that in democratic civil rised society all people should be entitled to health care. i do believe that. is it radical no. every other major industrial crisissed country does the same. yes, i believe that it is absurd that highly competitive global economy with hundreds ever

thousands ever bright young people, can't because their family doesn't have the income. i believe that public -- should be tuition free. germany does it. other countries around the world do it. they know investing in their kids is good for the economy. we'll pay for that on tax. >> dickerson: on free college hillary clinton weighed in on free college let's listen to what she said. >> i am not going to give free college to wealthy kids. i'm not going to give free college to kids who don't work some hours to try to put their own effort into getting their education. >> dickerson: what is your reaction to that critique, senator? >> my reactions that i think if you look at my agenda the wealthy people are not

particularly supportive of it. because we are going to ask the wealthiest people in this country to pay substantially more in taxes because we have situation where they are almost -- earning almost all of the new income. we are going to ask large corporations profitable corporations some cases zero in federal income taxes to paying their fair share. but i do believe that we need a system, free college education for all free tuition in public colleges and universities. i think it is simple, straight pore ward, it exists inner countries in fact 50 or 60 years ago used to exist in the united states of america. >> dickerson: hillary clinton had, quote no interest in attacking you. you've said you won't attack her. do you take her at her word? >> i certainly do. i hope that that will be the case. one of the reasons our campaign is doing well is we are focusing on the real issue that impact

the middle class and working families of this country. decline of the middle class climate change could runt campaign affordability of college, et cetera. that is what i do. i happen to have known hillary clinton for the last 25 years, i respect her. i admire her. i'm not going to get into the business of attacking her. i have never run a negative ad. there are very ugly ads against me. i hope that in this campaign we can have civil discourse discussing our differences of opinion which are many on important issues facing our country that is what the american people want us to do. >> dickerson: the super pac ads is that her promise ex spends to those? >> i would certainly hope so. dickerson: let me ask you one

final, what is status of the debate more of them, any chance going to be more democratic debates? >> i have a feeling there will be. i think debates are good for the american people, it's of it promotes serious discussion, in our kelp:see see i'd like to see more. >> dickerson: thank you sore much: we'll be back in a moment.

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they interrupted him before he could finish. >> do unto others as you -- [ applause ] >> dickerson: it was possible that it had been loosened. the work that could get done with ideological foes recognized the good. how long would it last? days, weeks? months? thenswer, less than 24 hours. >> just a few minutes ago speaker boehner announced he'll be resigning. >> dickerson: that was not applause for john boehner's years of service what one boehner colleague called unseemly competition of grave dancing it wasn't democrats doing the cheering it was members of boehner's own party.

>> that's good. that's one down. that's 434 more to go before we done. you want to know how much each of you terrify washington? yesterday, john boehner was speaker was house. [ applause ] y'all come to town somehow that changes. >> dickerson:congressman tweeted it look like christmas is coming early this year, speaker bane tori sign from congress in october. congressman told, it couldn't be better day politically for us. took john boehner 20 years to convince pope to come do congress. frances spoke of mercy less left indelible mark on the speaker but not his opponents. we've had a little tech income call problem with governor kasich we're going to start with our panel.

susan page with the "usa today" and ed o'keefe for the "washington post" our own nancy cordes of cbs news. kim, start with you, what is the boehner -- put the boehner decision in larger context of the republican party. >> he's being put out as scapegoat for ought the frustrations. probably bigger scapegoat ought to be mitt romney he failed to win the presidency. he left president obama with a veto pen from the minute that happened what was very larry they were never going to get through anything that rolled back the obama agenda they have been hitting their heads on the wall ever since. i think the real measure how you would look at boehner's tenureship ought to be not what they managed to roll back but what they stopped. it was two years into the obama presidency there was plenty more the president wanted to, do lot more spending. a climate change, all kinds of things did he m did manage.

but never able to force him to give up op his agenda. >> dickerson: nancy, the speaker said, false prophets. that's pretty tough -- we've seen him. business earl but false prophets is about has hard as he's been on the conservative, inside outside of the house. >> what always frustrated him was not just that he felt that their agenda was unrealistic they knew it was unrealistic that they pushed for members towards anyway. basically set up no win situation where they tried to gain these symbolic victories that put in tactical disadvantage. he was always trying to convince his members trying to educate them, word he used a lot to play the long game. to be tactical that is reason that he stuck around as long as did he through all the ups and down because he was tactical guy it was very frustrating to watch a lot of these members celebrate some of these short-term gains.

in fact on friday ally told me that this even pushing him out to symbolic victory. even if they didn't agree with boehner, at least he was willing to take a lot of slings and arrows for him. >> dickerson: i've heard two things in my reporting with members on the hill. one group conservatives say we are on the rise here. the next speaker is going to have to listen to us we have to listen. then another group of boehner alloys who say conservatives are going to have to be chased because they're going to kick out two speakers in a row if the next speaker doesn't deliver, what is your sense how it plays out. >> that is the last six seeing speakers have all left not of their own devices. seems to me most conservative forces in the house are emboldened by what happened to

john boehner. this creates very difficult situation for the next speaker, probably kevin mccarthy and republicans running for president. we already see this in the republican presidential contests where the rise of the outsiders create enormous problems for people we think are more realistic nominees. this is story not finished with john boehner leaving at the end of next month. this is tori that will unfold over the next year. >> dickerson: let me ask you one of the arguments conservatives made he didn't take on mitch mcconnell. they want new speaker to beat up on mock continental. how much control does speaker of the house have over majority leader. it's not just -- in grass roots as well.

>> made it clear they would work more closely. i'm truck not only by rank and file republican lawmakers but presidential candidates saying let's iris the rules of the senate get rid of the filibuster rule get things done. mcconnell has stood firm that absent 60 votes on republican side not going to get this legislation through. he's fanned standing by. >> dickerson: what do you think the message is? >> mitch mcconnell said, how disappointed he was, he knew that john boehner was a straight shooter even the democratic leaders, nobody seems more disappoint than them. nancy pelosi. can't be overstated how much itch can going to miss john boehner because he had to

wrangle this very restless conference of multi-headed boast, if you will. and he never over promised. he said, this is what i can do. >> now hear that extended conference where they talk about hopefully not what leader they want but what they want out of the a leader. because they got two brain cells to rub together, they can spend the next year beating their heads or whether or not they can defund planned parenthood or if want to get something done pick the battle, is that they have do the investigations that they can do put out a message that is going to help them keep the house, and keepment senate and put republican in the white house. that in the end is only way they ever accomplish things that they say they want to accomplish. >> dickerson: how do they do that? presidential context we've been discussing you have candidates who are running against that just precisely what kim outlined will continue to be what john

boehner calls the false prophet. >> very sensible plan, the energy of the republican party is let's battle. let's call to arms, it's not worked for us we keep winning elections in the getting the results we want to see. i think it is a force has been unleashed, it is unlikely that that -- things are going to be done in the next 30 days by john boehner deciding i'm going to pass some stuff that my folks may not like. to clean out the barn as he said in his inner view. doing he go for longer funding bill so you don't have crisis on december 11. try to pass the infrastructure bill. does he choose to do that which he'll have to do with democratic notes. >> and mccarthy look likes the next speaker does probably have better relationship with this crowd, the freedom caucus if you will. than boehner did simply because

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on republican side you have two governors of experience that are now gone. rick pear, scott walker left last week. what does this say? >> something about scott walker not as good as candidate. but also says something about state of the republican party. significant states are out and meanwhile retired neurosurgeon a former ceo and celebrity billion they're are still in the race in the hunt. it tells you something about the mood of the republican electorate which is, we don't like what we've been seeing, we're willing to entertain candidates that seem quite extraordinary. >> dickerson: what does something do to have been in politics in their life? >> i think you are seeing that. scott walker's support appears to have gone to marco rubio has been in poll techs his entire

life. what you have seeing here, there's some other lessons roswell. lot of talk about super pacs, one of the reasons you had 17 people in the republican field that alone cannot actually get you over the finish line. and i think what you're going to see you can probably have some more poem dock out that's probably good for the field. it's allowing focus to go you are seeing some people begin to congeal around the top make their way up. probably have better debate going forward as result of this. >> in part the resumes are the rope they got out. rick pear and scott walker, i am clearly not going to be president i have better things this do there are lot of other people who maybe don't hoof as much going on. behooves them to stay in the race. >> a big week for candidates on both sides. the fundraising quarter comes to an end. the in the next few days here

rumblings some who ran out of money can't continue going. we've seen hillary clinton jeb bush, seib other others, raise as much as possible to sigh license the critic. >> because fundraising knobs will be proxy how they're doing. >> and the shine come off too. some of the outsiders. donald trump did not have good week following that debate. you see go to other people. and others going to some of those candidates that have been in politics their whole life because they're putting out policy proposals that are getting attention. >> dickerson: where is is jeb bush in all of this. not in the conversation as much as he would like. >> down single digits. he needs to win -- needs to win some police maybe new hampshire not doing well. i think he is -- tal money is not everything. money is not everything. but money is something. he does have fair amount of

money, lot of experience in running these elections. he does need to do better. debates he's been disappointing. but he needs to show a little more passion he needs to be a little more like his brother when it comes to getting tea attacked getting back in cutting way. >> dickerson: switch democrats with news we've got. nancy, another person going to do well is probably hillary clinton. but more questions about e-mail this week, what is the state of her campaign do you think at this moment? >> i think she's trying to talk about this as much as see can take some of the air out of the balloon he they found when he was answering it was stonewalling had nothing hide. she's admitting to a large degree this is now out of her control which is something you never want to have to admit if you're candidate you like to have everything be under your

control. the fbi inquiry she has no control over that. the benghazi committee will call her to testify next month. she has no idea what they're go tg ask or how that is going to go. now the state department and intelligence officials are certifying more e-mails that she had not and handed over. there are questions are why they weren't in the original batch. she's doing what she can which is to answer the questions and troy to move forward. it's definitely going to be ongoing challenge throughout election day. >> dickerson: part of the reason it's interesting that the supporters of the vice president, joe biden are still talking and saying do whatever he'll do. indications are that at some point maybe into november now make decision. >> dickerson: what about bernie sanders and his campaign, we're always talking about how he's

doing well but what is his next stage for bernie standers? >> i think he's won the battle but may well lose the war. he's won the battle that he's pushed hillary clinton to the left. he's helped define the conversation on the democratic side, as the conversation more on issues he wants to push like income and equality, for instance. but i think he continues to struggle with the idea that he is not a likely nominee. that the democrats are unlikely to nominate someone who is the democratic social list from is the and 73 years old even if they're unhappy with hillary clinton. >> what is your sense of the republican attack against bernie sanders. there's a lot of conventional wisdom, be so much easier to attack. what is your sense about him as target for republican? >> he would be easier to attack than hillary clinton. a lot of his views are out there. but susan makes valid point.

articulate the main messages that any nominee is going to make. on women climate change, the environment and things like this. the interesting thing when you look at bernie sanders how many people out there in the party are passionate 'brought bernie sanders' bid how much is protest vote against hillary clinton. and those are the numbers that the biden he'll, for instance, are like can at. let's just wait there for us to scoop up if we get in this race. >> dickerson: thanks so much. thanks all of you. we'll be right back with governor john kasich.

>> dickerson: we fixed our satellite issue. republican presidential candidate and ohio governor john kasich joins us from columbus. thank you. you heard some cheering when john boehner's resignation was announced, you've known him for awhile. >> long time. dickerson: give us your reaction to his resignation? >> i'm saded.

john was a very -- he's a great guy. interview described it all. it's a shame that people weren't seeing that earlier on you did a very good job in the interview. i was there in the '90s when we got things done. think about it we changed welfare system which had been in place 40 years. we balanced the budget of which i was chief architect. and we cut taxes the economy was growing we were doing great and when i left washington we had a $5 trillion surplus. boehner sat right next to me. that was some of the most productive time that republicans or conservative has had. think budget which people think is fiction, reforming welfare and cutting capital gains taxes and creating economic growth. we need to reflect on his accomplishments then and riding and becoming speaker. >> dickerson: what about his -- in terms of why that is harder to do today what patrol do you think the group that he calls

false prophet in your own party what rule do you think that plays in the current state of things? >> with it's about ingenerals. the people who keep saying they want things to happen what have they accomplished? what have they got done? they are serving in the congress have they accomplished anything? when i served there we achieved thing. i achieved things. i was referee former, i've been reformer all my life i shake up the system all the time, you know how much reform and change it took to balance the federal budget? i stepped on more toe, is that you can i am handling in. coming to ohio and reformings things out here this state was a he bout debt, now we're doing well. people didn't think i could do it. you know how much we had to shake up? a lot of people who were doing the complaining maybe they ought to look in the mirror. are they just speech makers, just people out there yelling and screaming? i have to disagree with your panel. when i travel around this

country, i was just in south carolina, new york boston, in iowa maybe people are yelling loud but at the end of the day people are now beginning to say what can you do, governors to bring people together to accomplish things. sometimes you hear loud voices out here who get the attention get the headlines. i tell you at the end of the day i believe the republican party will pick somebody who is reformer who is a change agent what accomplished things have experience. these people yelling and screaming. you ask them what have you accomplished at the time that you've been in public office. would be interesting question, wouldn't it? >> dickerson: we appreciate your help there. the question asking front. let me ask you this. who are the people now out of the republican race, they did stuff, governor perry governor walker they had experience, no longer able to run for president. what does that say about the climate which you're crying to

make the case that you just made? >> three things you need to be president in my opinion. said by smart democrat. one you got to have issues. two, vision, you have to be likable. you got to have at least two of those three. i think in regard to scott walker he'll come back, he may be president some day. just got over -- spent a lot of money they ran out. you have of to laugh your resources. my campaign has gone on for slightly more than just two months john. i'm in the top tier in new hampshire, i'm beginning to rise in iowa. if what i'm saying is not true, then i should be getting out of the race, which i am not. because i think we're making really good progress and connecting. but remember, people want change. they want reform. they want to see something done but just whine about it making speeches doesn't get it done. america needs to solve problems. some ways it it's even national

security issue when the world looks at mesh being unable to solve problems they love at us then they worry is america failing? we need to be able to solve problems in this country. and send a message to the world. >> dickerson: let me go on that theme there are now two groups in siders and outsiders running in the 2016 republican field. you've worked both in the public sector and private sector those who are coming from the private sector who running are they making unrealistic and whip it all into shape? >> i respect people need to know how it all works how you have to maneuver things bring people together. now, i want to repeat one more time. nobody is shaking up the system more than i have. military reformer andre play can party, i challenge can my own party on balancing the budget

and driving change. coming into ohio where they said i was going to have to raise taxes rather than balancing the budget by cutting taxes? i've always been unorthodox in this, against the grain. but you know what, i know how to get it done. again, john, if we elect somebody that doesn't know how to get it done, who makes a lot of promises, what have we achieved? even if republicans win we have to solve the problems of immigration, of balancing budget. dealing with entitlements, rebuilding the military. by the way you better reform the pentagon. i sat on that committee for 18 years i know the challenges in terms of the delivering resources that get to the men and women and the services and not into the bureaucracy. lot of challenges out there. the other thing i was struck by you point out -- >> dickerson: i'm afraid i'm going to have to interrupt you we've run out of time. >> we'll do it longer the next time, john. >> dickerson: op the campaign trail. we appreciate it.

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