axelrod. >> dickerson: today on "face the nation." the democratic race for president and donald trump says republican campaign is crooked. as it continues. once cordial democratic contest has gotten snippy and sarcastic. >> hillary clinton called them out. they must be crushed. >> dickerson: after that debate candidates a cooling off period include their different places. hillary clinton met with movie stars in hollywood. bernie sanders took his family to the vatican. we'll talk to sanders and then on to the republican race. donald trump has huge lead heading into new york's primary. but he's been crying foul. >> the system is rigged. it's a bad system. it's a

>> dickerson: blaming the republican party rules for recent delegate losses. we'll see what rnc chairman reince priebus has to say. plus new battleground tracker polling we'll talk to dr. anton knee fauci about the zika virus here in the u.s. all coming up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. the new york primary is two days away, according to our cbs news battleground trammer the forecast is looking good for the front runners. donald trump leads republican field by more than 30 points. and ted cruz and john say sick are in a tight race. things look promising in the keystone fate for donald trump, too. 20 point lead at 46%, cruz and kasich are in close race for second with 26 and 23% support among republican primary voters. california is one of the last stops on the primary calendar

over the top with the 1237 delegates he needs to secure the nomination. with 49% support. fuzz comes in at 31%, john kasich is at 16. turning now to the race for the democratic nomination, hillary clinton spent most of her weekend in california, our battleground tracker has her up there by 12 points over bernie sanders. 52 to 40%. and in her adopted home state of new york, she holds on to her ten point lead, 53% of democratic primary voters say they will support her and 43% are going for bernie sanders. as for bernie sanders weekend he is back from his trip to the vatican where he met briefly with pope francis and he joins you us now from new york. welcome, sector, what happened to the democratic race there. the "new york times" described you as ferocious performance in the debate this week. >> ferocious, i'm not sure what that means. i think what

i've become a little bit tired of being beaten up by the negativity of the clinton campaign. worry ponding. she has super packs and raises whole lot of money. she is $1 minimum wage, not good enough. i am for $15 an hour minimum wage. i have views on foreign policy with the war in iraq, with syria are different than mine. views on fracking, whether or not we have clean water in the united states and around the world are very different than mine. i think what we are doing, i am doing making very clear that my views are out there. i represent the needs of working families in the middle class i am prepared to take on powerful special interests. >> dickerson: what negativity got you so irritated from hillary clinton? >> you name it. i mean, she came in -- after we had won eight out of nine caucuses and primaries they made it very clear that what their goal was, i

disqualified defeat and then reunite the party later on. gone after us in every single area that represents my views. idea that they have said in the past that i attack planned parenthood when i regard planned parenthood, for example, as one of the great organizations in this country. i want to expand for planned parenthood. but on and on it goes. what you are seeing now is the real differences of the opinions between secretary clinton and myself. probably most significantly we raised $7 million individual campaign contributions more than any candidate in american history at this point. averaging $27. she is out there raising money for the wealthy and powerful, i think you can judge a candidate based on how you raise money and who you ultimately become dependent upon. >> dickerson: let me ask you about that. you were named to example where the money she raised from wall street influenced her, you didn't offer an example she said that proved the attack was

>> first of all i did offer example. second of all, another one. she voted for a bad bankruptcy piece of legislation. which benefited wall street at the expense of hard pressed consumers in this country. that's an example. you never can say, john, just because you vote for something that that was caused by something else. >> dickerson: isn't that the implication of what you're offering in the critique, isn't that what you're saying? >> the broader critique is after wall street's greed and illegal behavior destroyed our economy and drove us into a major recession, in my view the proper response, of many economists and americans, these people are running an operation, we can't trust them. they have too much wealth, they have too much power, too much concentration of ownership, the proper response, my view then, my view today is break them up. that is not hillary clinton's response. that is the best example but

another piece of legislation where she was on the wrong side of the issue. >> dickerson: t money she takes to position on minimum wage which you mentioned the $200,000 speech fees that she's gets then she doesn't support the $15 national minimum wage. aren't you kind of fuzzing up what is economic policy disutes you have with her and making it seem like she's just being stingy? >> no, not a question of being stingy. if you can go before goldman sachs or morgan stanley end up after an hour's work for 0 minutes work with 250,000 check, and that is your life, then refuse to support the fight for 15, the need to have a $15 an hour national minimum wage, you are living in world far removed from where working people are. the truth is minimum wage today is a starvation wage, $112 an hour for you is not enough, the american people in state after state now moving to

she's behind the curve. >> dickerson: but you say -- maybe if you make $225 in an hour maybe don't know what it's like to live on ten bucks minimum wage. >> dickerson: on the crime bill there was lot of discussed in the 1994 crime bill which you voted for, which she supported, do you regret your support for that crime bill now in retrospect? >> that bill, whenever you have piece of legislation that has the big bill lot of stuff in it it has violence against women act, during my tenure as mayor of burlington worked very hard against domestic violence and ban on assault weapons, something that i believe in, i believe back in 1988 when i ran for office. but there is no debate that that legislation has resulted in massive incarceration, we have more people in jail than any other countrya broken criminal justice system, i am leading the effort to make certain that we have ve

criminal justice system right now. people are in jail who should not be in jail. have to prevent people go from into jail. we need a parole system. we need to end so-called war on drugs which has resulted in a disproportionate number of african americans being arrested. enormous amount of work that has to be done now to address the crisis in criminal justice. >> dickerson: a quick political question. donald trump says democratic nomination is stacked against you because of the superdelegates, do you agree? >> it's not only that, i will tell you, the answer is, yes. that hillary clinton is the candidate of the establishment. and she has many, many times superdelegates than we have. i'll tell you something also is of concern to me. we're going into tuesday, we're fighting hard, i think we have real shot to win on tuesday if there is a large voter turn out. here in new york state, you have voting system which makes it impossible for independents to participate in the democratic primary, that makes it impossible for people to

election which many states do. which is going to result in a lower voter turn out than i would like to see. but at the end of the day, because we are defeating trump by large number than secretary clinton in poll after poll and state poll, lot of these superdelegates are going to concludes that bernie sanders is the candidate what must not be allowed to happen this is donald trump becoming president of the united states. >> dickerson: thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. dickerson: now to the republican race. reince priebus joins us from party headquarters, welcome, mr. chairman. donald trump seems to have pretty simple charge in the case he's making which is the person who gets the most votes should get the nomination. why is that wrong? >> well, it's majority of rules party and the reality is, that having plurality means that the field has a

delegates in order to be the nominee and ultimately the delegates of our party through the votes and participation all the states decide who the nominee of our party is. >> dickerson: i'd like to play a clip of something that donald trump said and get your reaction to it. >> the republican national committee, they better get going. because i'll tell you what, you are going to have a rough july at that convention. you better get going, you better straighten out the system. >> dickerson: do you take that has a threat? >> not particularly. i don't know if it's hyperbole or positioning the truth is, that they are facts. the rnc doesn't have the power to change the rules between now and the convention. the rules were set years ago and each state's delegate system was set in october of 2015. and it's up to the delegates at the convention to decide what they're going to do

and it's up to each individual state over the next four years to decide how they're going to allocate delegates. i don't take it personally, john, because i kind of just rest on the truth. it matters when something is right and something is wrong to me. >> dickerson: but he has shown some ability to get his supporters exercised and energized when he says something like this, i wonder if that gives you any pause? >> well, i mean, sure, it gives you pause but that's why i'm talking to you and i'm talking to many media outlets as much as i can to set the record straight. that the rules have been set, the rules are set by each individual state, the rnc doesn't have the authority to change the rules, even if we wanted to. each candidate has to know the rules, learn the rules and abide by the rules and ultimately the majority will decide everything in cleveland. >> dickerson: you mentioned that the delegates are the ones who make the rules, it's a

their hands. trump's complaint would be that some of these delegates who are coming in that he'd be snookered out of those delegates, that those delegates are not being picked through a fair process. so that while they make the rules, the people who actually going to cleveland are getting there through a funny system. >> well, there's two parts. one part, there are delegates that are allocated to each candidate based on the outcome of each of these contests. like, for example, in florida, donald trump won all delegates, 100% even though he received about 55% of the vote. those delegates are bound to donald trump no matter what. they could like someone else but they're bound to vote for donald trump. now, there's another part of the process which is making sure that as a candidate the people that are sitting in those seats are people that once the process gets going are friendly to your wishes and desires. that's a function of each

each of these states with grass roots activists in the party. because ultimately it's the grass roots in our party that have a lot of power at the convention over what the rules say and what the committee work is. that's just relationship issue in each of the states. >> dickerson: do you think donald trump is just not very good at that second stage part of the process? >> it's not matter of good or bad just matter of the facts being that each campaign has to go into each of these states and work with the party and the grass roots, if they want to have 100% of everything they want to have happen they have to be 100% committed to each of these states and how they select delegates. >> dickerson: is donald trump's ally, roger stone, who has worked with him over the years, has threatened to send out the room numbers of any delegate who is pledged to trump on the first ballot but then switches, what

>> yeah, it's not helpful. it's not -- i don't find it to be an appropriate threat and i'm committed to making sure that the delegates have a great week, that they have a fun week. but a construcktive week and safe week. we're going to do that. we'll have plenty of security, plenty of protection for all the delegates. we'll be prepared. it will be a great convention. it will be convention. and either way whether we have presumptive nominee beforehand or at the convention it's going to be a great week. i no that if everyone here understands that we're watching american history. >> dickerson: all right. chairman priebus we thank you for being with us. >> thank you, john. dickerson: up next with more on our battleground tracker is cbs news elections directorial honey salvanto, you think i'd get it right. tell us first, where we are in new york and california with the republicans. >> well, new york sets up v

without the home state advantage. they see him as authentic, they see him as effective, which in new york more so than some other states they define as president who could negotiate. that same metric helping john kasich, too. also see donald trump as most electable of the candidates, when we asked these new yorkers who know him best do you think that donald trump will pivot to the general election become a little less outspoken than he is right now. they overwhelmingly said, no. >> dickerson: they're okay with him being outspoken because they're new yorkers. >> they're forkers. in california we see a lot of very conservative republicans. we don't often pay attention to california as we get to this part of the primary process but they will have, if you will, their moment in the sun or at least their political sun as they will probably be the decisive primary when it all comes down to it whether or not donald trump goes over the top. there the immigration question helps him a lot, that's keeping him on

fears of terrorism, all of those things are propelling him. we'll see dynamic in california that makes for fitting final to, all of this because the electorate there looks very much like the kinds of conservatives who have been participating in these primaries all the way up to now. >> dickerson: let's pull back now and look at the entire republican race, the big question is, how well does donald trump have to do in new york to get him to that -- to get to 1237 that number we keep hearing. >> the key for everyone watching new york, can donald trump get over radio%. the polls suggest egg. if he does get the bulk of delegates out of new york. he needs to do that to get back on the path to 1237 now what we mean by paths he's got to then keep on winning through april, through may then out to a big win in california. in order to make it. even if he does the mass suggests it's going to be close. >> dickerson: a squeaker. update us on the democrats in new york and california. >> the racn

previous primaries which is to say, bernie sanders leads hillary clinton on some metrics like honest and trustworthy, like being authentic. clinton is up on him big on, is she specific about policy. she's got wide lead there, there is criticism of bernie sanders in new york. she's got the demographics on her side as well. all that have adds up to her lead. with keeping bernie sanders campaign going also is that his voters say this they feel they are part of a larger movement. a movement that is larger than just their individual vote. i think that contributes a plot to the enthusiasm that they continue to feel. >> dickerson: may take that movement all the way to the convention. so tell us now where the democratic big picture is with pledge delegates, then superdelegates, walk people through that. >> the elected delegates will probably not shift very much coming out of new york. because in the democratic races they give out delegates to both the winner t

so, anywhere near close probably just about split them. the difference, as you mentioned in your interview is superdelegates. they are party leaders and elected officials who are free to choose whichever candidate they want. right now they overwhelmingly back hillary clinton. so the difference for bernie sanders is, if he's going to catch hillary clinton, the math is not on his side, if he is, he needs not only big wins in places like new york to get elected delegates but also have to do some persuasion. he'll have to convince these party leaders, elected officials that are superdelegates to come over to his side as well. >> dickerson: thank you for straightening that out for us. we'll be back in one minute. , "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪

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dr. fauci, tell americans what they can expect in the united states this summer? >> well, we already have what's called travel-related cases over 350 people got infected in the regions in south america, the caribbean and here in the united states. we very likely, though you can't say definitively will get local transmitted cases as we get into the robust mosquitoe season into the summer. the reason we think that is going to happen is because infections that are quite similar to see could like chicken flu which are transmitted by exactly the same mosquitoe and have been in the caribbean, south america for awhile we've seen in the past little clusters of local transmitted cases within the country. the critical issue is that in the past we've successfully prevented it from becoming sustained and disseminated. that's what we have to be prepared to do when we do get those locally transmitted cases in the united s

happening to, move quickly, do you need -- congress has not acted yet is that -- are we at state of real peril here or give us sense how urgent things are? >> we need to act -- we are acting right now from number standpoint general public health standpoint much of the work done for centers for disease control and prevention in their work, december micly, domestically in puerto rico and work international like like south america. at national institutes of health we already starting on the develop. vaccine. the cdc and others are responsible because they work with the state and local health authorities we can't wait to start those things. we're starting them right now. >> dickerson: what about congress, how much more helpful would the money from congress be? >> more than helpful, it's necessary. that's the reason why we asked for it because right now we're using money from other accounts to do that and that is going to be just a stopgap measure.

be able to do the full job that we planned to do. >> dickerson: didn't we go through with this ebola, why doesn't congress get what you're saying? >> well, congress gave us money for ebola we did very well with ebola. right now with the fiscal constant there's disagreement. but i can just tell you from a public health and research standpoint we do really need that resource in order to be able to get the job done. >> dickerson: from the public health perspective, what should pregnant women or women thinking of becoming pregnant in the united what should they do. >> if you are in the united states there are no local cases. if you are pregnant, thinking of becoming pregnant, might be pregnant definitely should you not travel to the areas where there are outbreaks such as south america, the caribbean and central america. so the cdc travel advisory should be adhered to by pregnant women. >> dickerson: what if they -- doesom

the equation? >> depends on the extent of local case in the united states. if you just have couple of clusters that you can essentially sustain the suppression of it by not allowing it to become widespread, very likely any major change there. but if we do get widespread changes then we'll have to reexamine, the cdc in realtime examines what the situation is, makes recommendations accordingly. for example, we just found out over a period of several weeks that there's now sexual transmission from men to women. so, there is -- from men to even male sexual parter there was case of that. recommendation now that if you're a man you to go this area you might be infected and come back you should refrain from sex or use safe sex for at least six months if you don't have pregnant partner or have pregnant partner for the entirety of the pregnancy. should follow those recommendations that are very well delineated by the cdc. >> dickeon

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>> dickerson: welcome back, join us from chicago is democratic strategist and cnn political commentator david axelrod. start with bernie sanders who you talked to earlier what is your sense of his path to the nomination? >> everybody was wondering why he went to the vatican in the middle of the new york race, at the end of the new york race. i suspect he was maybe looking for some divine intervention because it's going to take a minor miracle at this point for him to upset the apple cart here. the fact is, hillary clinton has a fairly significant delegate lead. bernie sanders would have to win landslide after landslide starting in new york to change that math. you look at your own poll and others, it doesn't look like he's going to win in new york, even tie would not be very helpful to

and so i think that he's running out of runway here which may be why he seems a little bit aggravated with the whole situation. >> dickerson: lot of democratic strategists i've talked to in the last week or so have basically said that he has to do some big or there has to happen a huge game-changing event to change that structure. do you feel like that's right? >> without question. if he -- if these polls are right and he loses in new york on tuesday, then you have five states coming up the following week, quite a few delegates where polls suggest that he'll do no better than tie, may fall behind. he's going to have to win like two-thirds of the remaining pledged delegates to catch hillary clinton. and if she is ahead in popular vote and she is ahead in delegates, it's very hard to turn to the superdelegates where she has a huge lead and say, you really ought to come with

i think he's -- he's run a splendid campaign, john, he's influenced the debate in a big way. and i think he surprise add lot of people. but a this point it just looks like time is running out. >> dickerson: did you see his influence on the debate or in this nominating fight in the debate when hillary clinton changed her position on minimum wage? >> well, there's no doubt that on economic issues he's pushed her hard, i think she's responded to that. and probably to her benefit in terms of strengthening her candidacy. a lot has been made of this debate, there's no doubt that it got testy but i think back to 2008, barack obama had a debate with merry christmas in myrtle beach that made this look like a high tea. and so, i'm not -- i wasn't impressed that this was some sort of cataclysmic confrontation and that the party

i think this he has influenced her. i think she's embraced a lot of his positions, i think he'll have lot of influence at the convention and probably will ploy those cards very aggressively. >> dickerson: what is your feeling about the convention? there seems to be everything from sanders campaign, regardless of what the numbers are he's going to go all the way to the convention, maybe make her win it on the first vote. will that cause bruised feelings? >> it may cause bruised feelings, one of the advantages that both parties have is the conventions are earlier, there's more time to heal bruised feelings. but it will be interesting to see how he plays it after the final primary on june 7. hillary clinton endorsed barack obama shortly after the primaries. she did go to a first ballot but she then walked on the floor of the convention and halted the vote and moved that the convention embrace obama by acclimatio

the questions whether at 134 point senator sanders will do the same. that would obviously -- that would be advantageous the democratic party. >> dickerson: is there anything that bernie sanders is bringing up in -- anything that's coming up in the democratic race here that can be weaponized by the other side in a general election, either hillary clinton transcripts or anything like that that lives on? >> john, my sense is that they have quite a weapons factory going over there. anything that has been fired by bernie sanders will be fired by the republican party regardless. so, i don't think that bernie sanders is doing significant damage that wouldn't be done by the republicans. but i know there are lot of democrats who are concerned about the tone of the debate. that he may land a blow that could weaken her as nominee. my sense is, that once the candidates are chosen given the situation on the republican side that

together, some more happily than others. but it's hard to see the party sitting idly given what's going on on the republican side. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the republican side, john kasich's pitch is tougher candidate against hillary clintons he right about that? >> on paper that's true. and there's reason to believe that that is true. problem is he wants to be the nominee of the republican party and the republican party doesn't seem interested in everything him as the nominee. so, that is just a theoretical discussion. he has to struggle not overcome marco rubio who has more delegates isn't even in the race. i have respect for john kasich, it's very hard to make the case that you finished a distant third there for the party should turn to you. i think he's got very tough road to how here. >> dickerson: trusts or donald trump from the democratic perspective? >> i think people have run through that

i think that trump in theory is more vulnerable but he's also guy who can land the unexpected blow. he plays by his own set of rules and that makes him a little bit more frightening. i'd go for the conventional if i were democrat and i'd say, let's try cruz see what happens. >> dickerson: david axelrod, thanks so much for being with us. >> good to be with you, john. dickerson: we'll be right back with our panel. just gotta get the check. almost there. i can't reach it. if you have alligator arms, you avoid picking up the check. what? it's what you do. i got this. thanks, dennis! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. growwwlph. it's what you do. oh that is good crispy duck.

>> dickerson: now for our politics panel, susan page is "usa today's" washington bureau chief. clarence page is come omanis with the "chicago tribune." amy davidson is staff writer contributor for "the new yorker." and ron fournier is senior political columnist and author of new book "love that boy: susan page, started with you. who has better argument between donald trump and reince priebus about the republican nominating process? >> reince priebus is correct. the rules have been in place for a long time. but donald trump has very powerful political message to make here which is, if he sat in the most votes, got the most delegates why in the world would you deny him the nomination? this is the dilemma i think for the republicans, they have two bad choices, they can nominate trump and lose a lot of traditional republicans who find him unacceptable. they will lose his shorters they don't have good option here.

>> dickerson: when reince priebus says the rules, but sometimes, when you look at things in the light of new day seems reince priebus says he was rest in the truth. i don't know if he is that restful right now. >> he didn't look restful. one thing that trump has going for him is that fits so well with the general case he's been making. that things are rigged. that it's corrupt. he's basically worked on the assumption that you can't tell american people that the political system is corrupt. that he explains his contributions to democrats saying, i had to buy them off. it works for him because it doesn't contradict anything that his supporters like about him. >> dickerson: one thing that donald trump has been doing in addition to making this claim about the republican party that he's kind of retooled a little bit his campaign, i don't know, what do you make of it? do you think that -- >> he's found the need to retool because he did not haveu

a ground game, for example. ted cruz has found distinct advantage in number of states by having people there to roust up votes for him. and delegates for him. even as we know by now the delegates and the votes are not necessarily connected. he's not in the way most people might think that's why reince priebus has this rob frow now, why frump has argument. much like the florida debacle or is the 68 when hubert humphrey got the g.o.p. nation without having the votes in the primary. hits the soars by surprise, they say, it is rigged, must go rigged, i don't understand it. this gives trump some traction with that argument. >> dickerson: what do you make of -- covered so many presidents, as a candidate what does this tell us, donald trump's approach to this other complicated business, what does it tel

potential president. what are we learning about his skills? >> that he will do anything he can to get what he wants. he's a very bot line machiavellian guy. people understand that politics needs to be reformed. let's talk about the reform on this specific issue. up to the 1970s everything was picked, all nominees were picked by bunch of white men in smoke filled rooms. and what was said in the "washington post" had sensible blend of voters tart participating making their voices known and men in smoke-filled rooms making decisions, at least the establishment. i think going forward what bernie sanders is tapping in to the public believes in evolution, at least in political evolution, going forward we need to have more kelp crate can, more accessible, more transparent process for nominating candidates or these parties no longer will be relevant. if you want to be relevant party you need to find different way to nominate people.

>> dickerson: can that be done, susan, while you're trying to put convention together? >> one thing that reince priebus said is not entirely accurate or a little misleading. that's true in the end. the rnc rules committee is meeting in hollywood, florida, they could send to the convention rules cmittee which is separate body different rules. in fact i think we may see a really fierce battle that begins this week in florida over do we use house of representatives rules or use robert's rules of orders how easy would it to be open the nomination to people who did not compete in the primary. this fight is going to start really soon. >> dickerson: we're going to get -- >> the key thick that delegates even if they're pledged to trump in theory are not pledged to him on rules questions. only on the nomination question. a trump delegate can even before balloting start vote against trump. >> focus on who is getting on that rules committee is the

campaign. just as they have been focused on delegates, election process that the trump campaign. they are focused on who is going to sit on that important rules committee on the 18th decides what rules that convention will abide by. >> dickerson: for a senator whose colleagues say he doesn't know how to play strategy. he's played the back room part of this very well. >> right now this weekend in miami-dade county, not using a smoke filled delegates in a warehouse. >> dickerson: throw back. susan mentioned the idea of maybe another person coming in on the stage based on the way the rules may be written. paul ryan, house speaker tried to take himself off the stage this week. what did you make of that? >> that song "i won't dance" he sounds very much like he did when lot of folks wanted him to run for speaker of the house, said he wasn't going to do it. he's now speaker of the house. i think

ryan personally to stay -- to be honest broker he is speaker of the house. he may be called upon to at least help resolve the disputes that are rising now. i can't help but believe that if he was offered the presidential nomination he would take it. however, folks say, maybe it's too soon he wants to wait, because he's basically moderate conservative, pragmatic conservative makes i am very attractive right now find alternative for the more ideological folks. >> dickerson: best way for him to be a draft candidate on the third, fourth or fifth ballot to have like he wasn't -- >> doing it for the country, for the party. somebody's got to get the nomination. if there's really a deadlock it's going to be opened up. and he may say, i hate to do this. you made me. >> i think paul ryan means what he says.

calculated strategy on his part. i think he's playing longer game, whoever they nominate for president he's going to be an alternative voice for what it is the republican party stands for. that is not a bad position to be in. remember he's also a young guy. he can run in four years, eight years 1 years, when the situation may be less turbulent. >> i trust the house speaker here, too. what i don't trust is that unruly, angry, disruptive, desperate for change group of convention delegates would do anything conventional. >> i think that's right. his motors may be right now but may be on the knight ballot where people are looking around -- >> or not in the mix right now. >> mo udall said, if nominated i'll move to mexico. if mexico i will fight extradition. >> dickerson: let's move now to the democrats here. ron, what is your sense,

situation that bernie sanders has to bakesly lightning has to strike for him. his supporters think that that suggests a system is rig had is your feeling about where things really stand? >> they're both right. david axelrod we have to have fundamental change in the race something involving secretary clinton for lightning strikes with bernie sanders. and banders are right that the system is rigged. he decided to run in democratic primary which is rigged towards the establish the. again, in the '70s democratic party became more democratic in that primaries have lot more power than they did before the '70s. but they don't want to give up all the party to the people or power to the people. still have these party establishments who get to vote for whoever they want no matter how the voters vote in their districts or in their state. they are going to hold it. >> david axelrod played down any sense of contention between the two candidates. lot of people spent time how

tough the battle is, push and pull between bernie sanders and certainly seems irritated. in my conversation with him what is your sense wherever the democratic race is now how much -- damage could be created between now and convention? >> a lot. in terms of the superdelegates it cuts both ways. there are so many superdelegates it's basically very possible that bernie sanders can present hillary clinton from getting absolute majority, the magic number, without any superdelegates. at which point he said that his campaign has said that they will just treat that as a big primary that hasn't happened yet. 700 delegate primary that will happen at the convention and push it to then. a lot is going to depend on how the clinton campaign responds to his ideas about a party platform. about their direction, how they go after him f. it's in a way that reinforces questions that sanders supporters have about her forthrightness it could b

>> dickerson: one of the things that was brought up in the debate was the 1994 crime bill. both bernie sanders voted for it and hillary clinton supported it as part of her husband's administration. why are we talking about the 1994 crime bill? >> because politics, position of the democratic party, ideological position really shifted. also it's a different time, crime is much less of an issue than it was in 1994. lot of people are behind the 1994 crime bill, look what hillary clinton herself has described at the consequences which was incarceration of so many african americans, especially men. attitudes toward that have changed just as attitudes have changed in significant way since the bill clinton administration on things like defensive marriage act. there was series of things moderate centrist democratic president did in the 1990s that don't look -- that now are controversial in new ways when you look at the party in 2016. th dickerson: clarence, one of

clinton for defending has wife for using the term, super predator, in the context of this debate in the 1909s. so, he said basically racist term, everybody knew it was racist term, is that right? >> no. quite the opposite. super predator was term that sociologist came up with who by 1999 was regretting it because looked at the numbers again found that a new generation of super predator teenagers was not created after all, in fact crime went down among juvenile and adults. but meanwhile, though, even most of the congressional black caucus two, votes as i recall supported the crime bill. and felt that somebody needed to be done. the problem was, wanted a broad-based group of reforms to try to prevent

people away. they were interested in punitive actions that's why mass incarceration trend increased. not -- got a cross party coalition now with ted cruz and rand paul who want to see the high cost of incarceration and ineffectiveness of it reversed. so, it's a different world now. >> policy matter there are now tens of thousands of african americans who are in jail right now under sentences that have been rolled back by congress because the crack -- cocaine disparity. but they're still in jail because they weren't grandfathered. in the stroke of the pen, president obama can free them, for some reason hasn't. just been a few, 30 or 40. but there's thousands of african americans who are in jail under this crime bill now democratic party, but liberal president for some reason hasn't used his powers.

>> the debates of super predator era is with donald trump who one of his early forays in the central park five. these were 14, 15, 16 year olds who were labeled super predators whose execution he called for in ad in the daily news. he later when they were exonerated, shown to be innocent in the last year or two has not regretted that at all. said that they were pulling scam on the city. >> dickerson: want to just quickly before we leave here mention, ron, your new book "love that boy" tell us quickly about where the title comes from, there's a political -- talk about this later on the web. >> my son had quirky encounter with president bush, my son was quirky and awkward because he has asperger's condition, a wonderful quirky condition he grabbed me, said "love that boy" as a father

quaint, i love my boy despite his idiosyncrasies. over the course of doing this book talking about child development expert i need to love my son because of what makes him different. >> dickerson: very quickly then go on tours with him to historical places. >> visited with president clinton and president bush and they both could not have been more gracious. how decent these men and women that we cover was very gracious thing. >> dickerson: all right, thanks so much. thanks all of you for being with us. we'll have more of our conversation with ron on website and we'll be back in a moment.

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anyway. >> dickerson: donald trump says his opponents are trying to steal the nomination. that was also the charge at the republican convention of 1952. >> this convention, president of the united states, the name of dwight david eisenhower. >> dickerson: that's what eisenhower forces chanted. accused thief, senator robert taft. taft controlled the party

his delegates instead of eisenhower. >> he rigged, liberally rigged the vote. >> dickerson: all that stood between taft and nomination was vote by the whole convention. okaying what the back room base in the credential committee had worked out for taft. but debate raged between conservatives who backed taft and eisenhower, who moderately thought was more electable. >> i accept your summons. i will lead this crusade. >> dickerson: it was a shocker. taft was overthrown. in an effort to unite the party, ike chose a rising conservative senator with sterling anti-communist credentials has his running mate. 39-year-old richard nixon. ike rolled on to victory in nor. and the chaos of the 195 convention was swept aside. republicans were happy conservatives were not they would carry on the fight until they get their own nominee 12 years later, barol

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