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irma devastated florida, residents of the keys are able to return to the hardest hit neighborhood. protest spark over acquittal of white policeman who shot a black man in st. louis. on the political front president trump continues to hurdle with top democrats in the hopes of making a deal to cover the children of undocumented immigrants. sparking anger among some of his own party. all coming up on "face the nation." good morning welcome to face the make i'm john dickerson. we'll get to the story that dominated news coverage most of last week, that of the aftermath of hurricane irma. but there's lot of other news coming up this morning so we'll begin by talking to secretary of state rex tillerson, welcome. let me start with the paris climate accord. the wall street journal reported that the administration was looking for a way to stay in it but in june, president trump said, it was time to exit. so what is the administration's position? >> well, the position is being led and developed over at the

i think if you recall the president also said, look, we are willing to work with partners in the paris climate accord if we can construct a set of terms that we believe is fair and balanced for the american people. and recognizes our economy, our economic interest relative to others in particular the second largest economy in the world, china. if you look at those targets and terms of the paris climate accord they were just out of balance for the two largest economys, so i think the plan is for director cohen to consider other ways which we can work with partners in the paris climate accord. we want to be productive, we want to be helpful. the u.s. has tremendous track record on reducing our own degrees house gas emissions. >> dickerson: there's a chance that if things get worked out both on voluntary side from the u.s., voluntary restrictions for u.s. but there's chance the u.s. could stay in the accord is that right? >> under the right conditions the president said he's open to finding those conditions where we can remain engaged

others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue. >> dickerson: move on to north korea, this week the u.n. increased sanctions against north korea but then they fired another missile, what's next? >> first i think it's important to understand the policy of the united states toward north korea to deny position of a nuclear weapon and deliver to deliver that weaponful our strategy has been to undertake this peaceful pressure campaign we call it, enabled by the four no. the being that we do not seek regime change, do not seek the regime collapse, do not seek accelerated reunion any occasion of the peninsula or reason to isn't our forces north of the demilitarized zone. the peaceful pressure campaign is built around putting together the largest and strongest international coalition we can to send the same message to north korea and to north korea's neighbor, china and russia that is the policy. you've seen that expressed in

resolution to impose the strictest sanctions ever. all of that designed to bring north korea to the table for constructive productive dialogue. if our diplomatic efforts fail, though, our military option, we'll be the only one left. all of this is backed up by a very strong and resolute military option but be clear, we seek a peaceful solution to this. >> dickerson: so, going back to those four nos, those are message to north korea that despite fact north korea says the u.s. has aggressive aim, united states doesn't have aggressive aim, you've been clear about that, clear this morning not getting the message, are they? >> it's also to assure china that is also the u.s. policy as well. as you well know china has concerns about regime collapse in particular and impact it might have along their border. that is also to assure their government of china that that is not our agenda, either. in an effort to bring them as part of our effort, they have joined us in the

sanctions both at the u.n., we believe china and russia as welk bring a plot of pressure to bear on north korea. >> dickerson: what direct action does china need to take? >> there are two particular economic revenue streams to the north koreans are quite important to their ability to fund their weapons programs. and to maintain their economic activity just within their own country. one, of course, is energy. no economy can function if it does not have access to energy. china is the principle supplier of oil to north korea they have cut off oil supplies in the past within things got bad. we're asking china to use that leverage they have with north korea to influence them. in the case of russia it's foreign labors, russia has over 30,000 foreign laborers, from north korea those wages all go back to the regime in north korea. >> dickerson: china says cut off oil will lead to that collapse. anything the u.s. can do to allay their fears? >> what we said, you

best information, you have your hand on the bow. you set where it's going to create the message that you want to send to this regime that they must change the path they're on. so we're leaving it incline that's hands at this point. >> dickerson: and why not just start talking now, they have all said the u.s. should solve this with talks at the diplomatic table. >> i'm waiting for the regime of north korea to give us some indication that they're prepared to have constructive, productive talks. we have tried a couple of times to signal for them that we're ready when they're ready. they responded with more missile launches and nuclear test. all they need to do to let us know they're ready to talk to stop these tests, stop those provocative actions and lower the threat level and the rhetoric. >> dickerson: do they need to stop them, give them two weeks or say, we're going to stop. does it have to be a verbal promise? >> i've said in the past, john, that we'll know it when we see it in terms of their

seriousness. >> dickerson: if china doesn't do what you think is necessary either on oil question or anything else, are trade measures in order to punish china to put pressure on china? >> the president has been very clear that he views this threat of north korea as ever growing, as we've watched each missile test and each nuclear test their program is advance, it's advancing technologically and capabilities. we've said from the beginning we don't have a lot of time left. we don't have a runway left to land this plane on so we need china's assistance to bring them to the table. >> dickerson: this week the president is going out to the united nations and going to speak. he's talked about an america first policy, one he's talked about. united nations is a collective action group how does america first fit into a group -- organization that exist through collective action? >> it's a very important week for the president and the u.n. general assembly. there are two aspects of his participation up there. one is his major speech that he wiiv

assembly, the world will be listening, american people will be listening. the message he's going to deliver in that speech is first he's going to promote and advocate for the strength of democratic values, going to reinforce that it is those shared values that bind our alliances together. and that have kept the world a stable place. so he is going to be advocating for those values and the protection of those values. then going to be making the case that those values are under attack. they're under attack from threats that we just spoke about in north korea, they're under attack from threats of iranian destabilizing efforts, they're under attack by others who would undermine our democratic values, he is going to be very clear in terms of his view that that is what brings us together. that's what binds these nations together, makes us the most powerful and also creates stable world. then he's going to address these specific threats of north korea, iran, terrorism, global terrorism and why it is important that all of us come

unified body. i think he does believe the united nations can be a very important instrument of addressing these threats to the world, but i think he also takes the view that the united nations has fallen short and he wants to motivate them in that regard. >> dickerson: let me ask you about iran, has to notify congress whether iran is in compliance with the nuclear deal arranged by the previous administration, you say they are not in compliance, british foreign minister says they are. are there any other people who believe that ivan not in compliance with the nuclear deal? >> my view on the nuclear deal they are in technical clients of the nuclear arrangement. but if you go back and read the reamble to the jcpo, the nuclear agreement there clearly was expectation between the parties, negotiators from the western parties as well as iran that by dealing with this nuclear threat we would lower the tension between iran and the rest of the world and create conditions for iran to rein

that wants stability and wants peace and prosperity in the region. that's why all these sanctions were lifted. but since the nuclear deal has been concluded what we have witnessed is iran has stepped up destabilizing activities in yemen and syria, exports arms to hose and other terrorist groups and continues to conduct very active ballistic missile. none that have i believe is consistent with that preamble commitment that was made by everyone. >> dickerson: very quickly, did there not a nuclear power you're dealing with north korea why not do one thing at a time, why take on potentially take on iran on that question, why not leave that for another day, you have pretty serious thing with north korea right in front of you. >> it's important when you consider the iranian relationship how we view it as i said, have said to others in europe, consider our full breadth of our relationship. that is what the president has said as well, we have lot of issues with iran,

long, the nuclear issue is only one foot of that yard. we have two feet of other issues that we must deal with and it has to do with iran's destabilizing activities. >> dickerson: on cuba, senators suggested closing down the beam see there. >> we have it under evaluation. it's a very serious issue with respect to the harm that certain individuals have suffered. we've brought some of those people home. it's under review. >> dickerson: mr. secretary, thank you so much for your time. >> my pleasure. dickerson: we'll be back in one minute with arizona senator john mccain. customer traffic? t can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian... legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. you're saying the new app will go live monday?! yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes.

>> dickerson: we're back with the chairman of the senate armed service committee senator john mccain. welcome. your reaction to secretary of state, u.s. wants to sit down at the table with north korea. >> well, you know, this is one of the longest standing crises that we have faced three previous administrations tried to make deals with north korea in order t

progress they have been making towards the acquisition of nuclear power -- excuse me, nuclear weapons and means to deliver them. and i'm all for us going back to the table. but i'm not sure that we aren't facing a serious situation here of two options, one nuclear armed north korea or with -- so we would prevent them from the further acquisition. so, it seems china is very important and yet we can't revisit that same old scenario we had before. we're going to have to do number of things including incredible emphasis on missile defense, south korea and our own missile defense system since there is the scenario, you never know exactly where it is they can strike the united states of america and alaska, that is both of those are unacceptable options. so, i think missile defense,

think influence china to -- which china has never done, this is probably one of the most serious international crises, national security crises we face. >> dickerson: give me your assessment of the administration, secretary tillerson suggested today all this is backed up by a swift military capability, everybody talked how tough those options are. but give me your sense of how soon that capability could be put into operation. other analysts have said take a long time for the u.s. to actually move militarily, what's your sense of the timeline? >> i think it's difficult but i think we are making sure that we have the capability as far as militarily and south korea but also the emphasis now has to be on missile defense to a large degree. i have great confidence in our capability to develop counter missile capability. we don't have that right now. when some analysts are saying

capability to hit the united states of america. >> dickerson: you're working hard on defense reauthorization in the senate. there have been a number of incidents, eight so far including one on uss john mccain named after your father and grandfather. you said this on the senate floor this week. this is you, we are killing more of our own people in training than our enemies are in combat. why is that happening? >> it's because of the thing called sequestration and our failure over the last eight years to make sure our military is prepared, equipped, trainedful, whenever you cut defense capabilities the first thing that goes is the training and the readiness and -- because that's easy enough to cancel if it's a new weapon system or something of significant impact then that's a lot harder. the first thing that goes is that. so our readiness continues to suffer and the training that they nve

there. and i would add to that, adding on all this political correctness stuff, with a shri shrinking military. when you really look how much time they have in actual training and readiness it's continued to shrink. so we have accident after accident after accident. we are killing more americans in uniform in training than we are than engagement with the enemy. >> dickerson: can that be fixed? >> it can be fixed in the defense authorization as far as authorizing. the appropriations, the money side is still on the decline and we have to fix that and i would quote none less an expert than chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who saidf we don't turn this around within five years our adversaries will have caught up with us in capabilities. we don't want to do that. we don't want to do that to the men and women who are serving

we don't fund them adequately, i get overheated at this, we put their lives in danger. don't we have responsibility for these young men and women and their families. i called the families of the ten that were killed on uss mccain. i tell that you is one of the most heartbreaking things that you can do. and if we're going to ask young men and women to voluntarily serve in the military we better -- our part of the barring town provide them as much as we can and as much as they need in order to operate in the most safe manner. >> dickerson: you supported on friday a bill that would prevent president trump from implementing a bill on transgender, give me your -- >> first of all, i think that transgender people are in the military and to somehow tell them along with the dream that's right they have to leave the military, which is short

qualified personnel, i believe that a study is going on right now conducted by general mattis as to the whole issue, one, we wait untail is completed. and finally, what do we tell those young men and women who are transgender that are serving, that they're out? same thing with the dreamers, there's 900 dreamers in iraq and afghanistan right now, what if we tell them -- go to them say, hey, pack up, you have to go back to el salvador? that's just not fair. >> dickerson: quickly two other issues, president is working on bipartisan approach, what do you make of that? >> i'm interested in that, of course. this president always full of surprises. but the problem is, john, it shouldn't be bipartisanship it would be both republican, democrat and the president. so yes he surprised the republicans with the deal that he made with chuck and n

three of them both leaders republican and democrat and the president sit down and say, okay, we got a problem here. we need to fix it. and that means that we can come up with all three of us in one solid proposal. why did obamacare fail? obamacare was ran through with democrats' votes only, it ran through our proposal with democrats and the president, that's not the way to do it. we've got to go back, if i could just say again, the way to do this is have a bill, put it through the committee. we have patty murray and lamar alexander, bring it to the floor. have amendments, we passed our bill 27-0 armed services committee. >> dickerson: thank you. >> i had more to say. dickerson: we'll get you back then. we'll be back in a moment with ken burns and lynn novick codirectors of

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>> dickerson: tonight the ten-part documentary series "the vietnam war" premiers on pbs. joining us codirectors ken burns and lynn novick. ken and lynn, there's been a lot done on the vietnam war but what is so interesting you've done tell the story of the north vietnamese as well. i want to play a compelling clip of american soldier and north vietnamese then talk to you about it after we watch it. >> every major contact i remember with the mva was initiated by them ambushing us. outnumbered us and we were fighting in their yard. they knew the ground, we didn't. they were just really good.

>> the north vietnamese carried soviet-made seemingly indestructionible ak-47s. the marines had to fight with newly issued m16 rifles that had for a time a potentially fatal design flaw. they needed constant cleaning and often jammed in the middle of fire fights. their rifles worked, our didn't. the m16 was a piece of [ bleep ] you cantle your bullets at the enemy have them be effective. and that rifle malfunctioned on us repeatedly.

>> my hatred for them was pure. i hated them so much. i was so scared. i was terrified of him. the scareder i got the more i hated them. >> dickerson: so much going on in there, ken. the meeting was that always the plan? >> yes. i think that what americans talk about the vietnam war, which w

talk only about ourselves f. we really want to understand it, ask the fundamental or try to answer the fundamental questions what happened, you've got to triangulate, know what is going on. we have many bottles where you have soldiers, american advisors or their counterparts and viet-cong, you have to get in there and understand what they're thinking. amazing thing in this film how similar our marines and army guys sound to viet-cong and the mva. >> dickerson: ask you about that similarities. doing the interviews, what struck you when you were talking? >> yes, i had the chance to go to vietnam multiple times to do a lot of the interviews there with people -- kept hearing the same echo of things that american soldiers experience. just an openness to tell their story and whether they never speak about it in vietnam. what the war was really like. the war there is this

victorious without people in it. the people who survived want the next generation to know how terrible it was, how difficult it was. they are very interested in communicating with each other and with americans at this point. we were the beneficiaries of that openness. it was incredible. >> dickerson: any questions from one side to the other through your work? >> yes. they were very interested to know, what was it like for the americans, do they know where we were? sort of just what were the conditions that they fought in, there's a lot of back and forth. we'd love to put them all in a room. >> dickerson: we'll continue this conversation but we need to take a quick break, we'll take a break we'll be back in our second half hour with much more from ken burns and lynn novick. if your station does not continue immediately with "face the nation" we'll have second part of our interview on our website, cbsnews.com just as quickly as we can. helping keep shoppers safe. this is a financial transaction secure from hacks and threats others can't see. this is a skyscraper whose elevators use iot data

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>> dickerson: we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation" including more on the vietnam war and our political panel and update on how florida is recovering from hurricane irma. stay with us.

>> dickerson: 8:00 come back. we continue our conversation with the vietnam war film makers ken burns and lynn novick. ken pack up on what lynn was saying about the two side. >> i think the reconciliation is possible within our two countries where we're both divided as well as between the two countries where we seem to have at least superficially solved the distance between us. we had a not vietnamese soldier that we interviewed that had come to new hampshire where we were editing, made some comments. we put him into the film he had chance when lynn took the film back to vietnam to look at it, when i was in the army through the prop began da i saw demonstrations that were taking place against the war in united states as sign of our weakness as a country. and their superiority because they had monolithic sense of morale and purpose. but he said, i realize now that that was a

strengths. that he didn't have that luxury of being table say i disagree without ending up in reeducation camp or worse. for us americans who are still torn on the bias about vietnam to realize that from distance of our enemy, they can actually now appreciate all of the things that were going on with us might help us all heal. >> dickerson: lynn, the american presidency and this war. you so beautifully chart that many presidents of both parties, what was the state of the american presidency through the vietnam war? >> we think that you can really see a sea change between when the war began or when got involved right after world war ii that was it, truman administration. kennedy, johnson and nixon that there was a sense that we believed in our leaders, that they were good people, that they knew what they were doing, that they were confident, that they would not lie to the people,

that would sort of carry on the nation's business in the best possible way. and that just eroded and eroded. you had credibility gap where as public began to doubt that they were getting the true story under johnson. it sort of metastasized into terrible cynicism that we cannot trust our president, they don't tell us the truth, they are not doing the right thing that are sort of pox on both their houses, that's where we are now. become from naive idealist to skepticism to cynicism. that's a disturbing thing. you hear this at audio tapes we were able to include when you hear our presidents speaking private see especially johnson and nixon about what they think about the war, they had terrible doubts, no confidence, want to get out, don't see the point. they got on television the next day say everything is going great. >> dickerson: it's about decision that becomes in a sense irrevocable has its own momentum, give me your sense that have also as filmmaker, how do you take those of white house

weren't living in that moment, back to a -- now vietnam just connotes failure for people. how did they not know. how do you convey that to people? >> good storytelling someone once told me, and then, and then, and then. you start at the beginning, they're making decisions based on domestic political conversations which is a polite way of saying, will i get re-elected. what is interesting for our film makers, maybe too much inside, we're trying to sort of manage a combination of a bottom up and top down way of communicating history. ordinary folks at the granular level or combat as you saw. but also we've got the president sort of supposedly top down, 30,000 feet with our best interests and here you are hearing the intimacy of the tapes, particularly johnson and nixon, the exact opposite not only of what they're saying but it explode this notion of the great men and

same very human level as everyone else we're dealing w. you're perceiving this momentum that all know that this is not going to work out. that as we have a strategy of not losing rather than winning or any articulation of particular goals that would represent winning. then they are also saying one thing in public, another in private, that you can get at their humanity and their failures at the same time our ordinary witnesses are bee trying the same sorts of by occasions. i hated them, i feared them at the same time. >> what was it like to have the vietnam war in your head for this length of time? >> for ken and me and our writer, our producers, none of us got a whole lot of sleep over the course of this. it was a 24-7 obsession. and it was devastating. it was devastating and it was deeply inspiring. devastating to think of the

million lives, 300,000 are still missing in vietnam. to try to absorb the meaning of that was totally devastating. every time we go to the wall we cry. and yet we were also just deeply moved and sort of inspired by the courage of the people who share thirster stories with us. that they sort of -- some of the inner resources to speak about things that were deeply troubling. and to see them living and breathing and able to function and tell us what happened to them. people who lost a son, people who lost a friend, people who were wounded horribly. they survived. here they are. that's incredible. >> dickerson: how did they do that? they are so calm in the description like what you want to do is try to go in and listen, too often now in a journalistic dynamic you have a set of questions, you're not -- it isn't really listening because what we want to do is hear something in a twitch of

couple of minutes, we have an hour or two hours to sit with them and hear that that question number seven may in fact have b, c, d, e, f thing and suddenly you're down a worm hole that we, more importantly they, weren't completely sure they much going to go to. there's nothing more satisfying proceed income -- professionally than to be witness to sort of express memory for the first time. some of these people had stories, i won't say practiced ever, impossible to have this practiced. but some of them i think surprised themselves by the way the moment, the memory over took them. it's said that you fight wars twice, one on the battlefield once in memory. if you got your camera there and you're sensitive to it you can sometimes see the conflict, it's not always between armies it's within a particular person, that kind of growth and development you want to capture, too, so many of the 79 people you meet

profound psychological and emotional changes as a result of this war and thankfully, gratefully they were willing to share that transformation with us. >> dickerson: what surprised you the most in the process? >> well, i was devastated to find a sense ever leadership never really had confidence of the war from the very beginning, to think of all the lives lost and all the terrible suffering that people went through both here and vietnam. i think i didn't expect that. i thought there ha was some moments along the way, understanding how deeply complicated the war still is in vietnam, they -- vietnamese government and people on the winning side are now to this day reckoning with the loss that they suffered and asking questions abut what it means, some of the same questions we asked. that surprised us, we didn't know that there would be this sense of, was it worth it, what price did we pay? were our leaders doing the

thing. that was a revolution for sure. >> dickerson: we'll leave it l. thank you both so very much. an amazing piece of work. tonight it will air on pbs at 8:00 p.m. eastern "the vietnam war" we'll be right back.

[bullfighting music] [burke] billy-goat ruffians. seen it. covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ >> dickerson: time now for our political panel. susan page the washington bureau chief. of jeffrey goldberg editor in chief at "the atlantic," "slate" magazine's chief political correspondent and cbs analyst jamelle bouie and ramesh ponnura. what did you make of that? >> he's walking a line, obviously. the thing that is interesting about his position is that you see that thi

still believes that the leader of north korea is someone cannot be -- these are huge questions. and people like me who have watched this for 20 years see new administration come in and believe that they can move this issue. i'm a little bit surprised that they believe they can move the issue to the degree that they think. on the other hand, they are taking to in a rational, reasonable way, understanding that the military option is really not much of an option if you're in south korea. if you're in japan, obviously. he's walking a line. but i don't predict great success out of this plan. >> dickerson: ramesh, it does seem difficult to try to figure out, we're a few weeks away from fire and fury, president trump's said that if north korea threatened again it would see fire and fury. secretary of state saying military option clearly still working diplomatic, very clear to say we don't want regime change in north korea

what do you make of where things are now. latest iteration of a pattern, really. >> right. i think the secretary of state's call for deescalation of rhetoric is particularly interesting in light of the president's earlier comments about fire and fury. look, i think he's conceiving that the attempts we have made to send a message that they need to calm down stop sane or rattling have not gotten through. so it does have a little bit of disconcerting sense of spinning of the wheels. >> a quick point on that, he talks about the four nos, but south koreans let it be known they have decapitation plan at the ready. in other words, violent removal of north korea's leadership. the north koreans are not hearing rex tillerson they are hearing about decapitation plan. >> dickerson: susan they're going to hear from the president, they are hearing from the president in tweets and other places, what do you expect the president goes to the general assembly next week to speak to the world, what do you -- how do you see that in this con?

is north korea and today he labels the leader rocket man in a tweet, which i am sure is not something that rocket man finds amusing, right? >> not really translatable. >> not a diplomatic -- dickerson: fan of western music? >> the trouble with pursuing endlessly to several administrations trying to deal with nuclear north korea they're just closer and closer to being in really devastating position with the nuclear arsenal. the ground on which this is being played just gets more and more dangerous with this just same option, is that we've had from the start. >> dickerson: let me pivot here to the president's negotiating with another group the democrats this week. where are we at the end of the week in terms of what the president may or may not have agreed to or negotiated with the democratic leaders and what republicans are doing with that news? >>

democrats are entirely certain of what they negotiated with the president, what seems to have happened to the president made a commitment to do something on daca on the deferred action for childhood arrivals, the dreamers. and democrats believe that they are on the path to some sort of permanent solution for those immigrants. the trade here is a permanent solution and for border security, for spending on what the president has labeled upgrading the fences and existing walls on the border. that i think is -- may happen, republicans obviously are not happy about this, although republican lawmakers have -- said their interested in a permanent solution. what is interesting is the activists response to the democratic negotiations, this worry that to get this deal democrats will be bolstering a hard line immigration status quo

so there are rumblings that some activists don't want this kind of deal if that's what it takes to get a permanent solution. democratic activists. >> we always knew that when president trump was elected with different kind of coalition that it was possible he could govern as a third party president. i think that's what we're seeing the last few weeks. this alarms i think activists democrats but more alarms republicans who figured we'd accept president trump all the uncertainties that it created fit meant we could get our priorities signed into law. that's what is in question now. >> i actually disagree with. that the border wall that trump appears to be giving up, he's not asking for that, at least as part of this deal. that's not as though mitch mcconnell are paul ryan are enthusiastic. that wasn't the republican party, that was priority for trump's base specifically. i think a lot of congressional republicans are fine with legal status for this group of illegal immigrants who were brought here int

not a problem for the congressional establishment that's more the problem for trump's very distinctive base, they're the ones that he seems to be selling out. >> what's interesting about all of this is that like no one is happy here on one hand president trump has not been able to advance traditional republican agenda like this hoped. other hand he is betraying that core base of his that hoped on immigration restriction -- >> you know who is happy here? americans who look at this say, for -- americans look say, nothing gets done 16 years they debated about dreamers, now, we got to raising the debt ceiling, funding the government for no big fight. that is exactly what people have been frustrated about washington that nothing ever seemed to get done because nobody was happy. >> dickerson: is this letting trump be trump? >> allows him to tweet abnormally let's

normal deals with people he actually likes. one of the thing that's interesting, i think normal trump or letting trump be trump is recognizing the fact that he likes chuck schumer more than he likes mitch mcconnell. that's not a betrayal in his mind because he doesn't care about mitch mcconnell or paul ryan. he cares about the base. there's always a limit on how far he'll go as long as the base becomes activated against him on the issue of the wall which is highly symbolic. you hear the trump people talking -- going back to this idea of normalcy, talking in a more normal way, not really a wall, it some things we already have in place, trump is being trump in the sense we can't predict what tomorrow will bring or the next tweet will bring. >> dickerson: ramesh, stick to policy a tiny bit here in context whichs the president has beginnings of a deal, but republicans want other things, there are other pieces in play, what are they, what should people pay attention to but does this mean the president has to be the negotiator through all th

works democrats, republicans, with himself, his base? >> different republicans want different things m. would like policy where it's mandatory for employers to use e-verify to make sure that their new hires are legally residents of the united states. if the wall is gone there are other things that people want to look at in terms of border security. as for whether trump is going to negotiate this, we use this language about negotiations and deal but we're also not used to deals being made in dc. but we haven't noticed in fact the debt ceiling was not a negotiation, that was just trump saying i agree with the democratic position. so far we have a somewhat more specific agreement between trump and the congressional democrats on legalizing dreamers and everything a about the things that trump might want from the democrats is vague and up in the air. >> dickerson: susan, how do you see this playing out for paul ryan and mitch mcconnell who have sometimes been on the receiving end of bad news from the president. they woulav

through here, what does this look like going foresteward. >> have to agree to bring a bill forward. president may be -- it's not always clear but paul ryan and mitch mcconnell will determine what gets debated on the -- in congress. so, he needs them to at least cooperate. but they're pretty pragmatic, pretty strategic. i assume it's going to be hard for either to just defy the president. one other thing, it's a little bit like triangulation in the clinton administration where clinton worked with republicans who were on the rise in congress, that worked until clinton faced impeachment and he needed to be a democrat again. this russia investigation is proceeding, we don't know where that goes. there may be time when president trump really needs to be republican again. >> one of the many interesting moments, in the last would be, it seems as if trump forgotten that the

house and the senate. and he is post partisan or nonpartisan whatever you want to call it, they will remind him over time. they will remind him that they're in charge of those bodies. >> dickerson: jamelle, the democratic base, there must be both political and moral limitations to how far they're willing to go with the president. and i was struck this week the president had kind of two positions on what happened in charlottesville, he signed legislation condemning the white supremacists then returned both sides. that notion of both sides is this moral piece that he is talking about. >> i think that is the core dilemma right now for democrats who find themselves unexpected position of being able to dictate terms to president trump how trump accept them. if that's the case why shouldn't you working toward practical goal not to give town that. on the other hand, when the president is unwilling to make firm

supremacists when the president until recently employed advisors who worked or ran websites that sort of facilitated those kinds of groups, working -- delivering a political victory or policy victory to the president isn't delivering him a political victory as well. then you're stuck in the situation where you're practical accomplishments in the bolstering someone who morally you have this profound disagreement. i'm not really sure how democrats square that circle but it is a real dill lem pennsylvania on the activists level, progressive activists are wary of this turn. >> chuck schumer is obviously comfortable making deals with donald trump. >> dickerson: what did you make, talk to african american senator about these issues, what is the net result that have interaction do you think? >> it's not clear, because it was after that meeting that the prest

talked about both sides. what that suggested even though trump has been getting favorable publicity for working with the democrats, cannot resist relitigating the previous episode where he got very, very bad press. he just has to have the last word in on that argument. >> dickerson: now we have violence in st. louis which will provide another flash point moment for this question of race in america, thank you to all of you. we'll be back in a moment to take look how florida is recovering from hurricane irma.

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>> dickerson: it's been a week since hurricane irma made landfall in the florida keys. cbs news national correspondent is in marathon, florida, with an update. >> john, as people start to return home they will find in many cases that their homes are gone. fema estimates that 25% of homes here in the florida keys were destroyed by hurricane irma and a large number have heavy damage. now to be clear not all parts of the florida keys look like this. some parts escaped the worst of irma but in neighborhoods like this, it could be

years before people can completely rebuild. >> dickerson: what is the greatest need throughout florida right now? >> well, it will be a financial one going forward as people try to get back on their feet. not only insurance claims but also seeking assistance from fema. you can hear right now still some of the resources being deployed to help people, helicopters and navy ships are being positioned off the keys. but we should tell that you a week out from the hurricane hitting here, there are still pockets of south florida that do not have power and here in monroe county there are areas that lack clean running water, fuel and food. the governor of florida, rick scott, said he's already spoken with the president and fema about what he considers the most pressing need going forward for the island chain, that of course is housing. >> dickerson: manuel, at this point do people think about government response, are they giving it a grade? >> not a grade just yet, if you will. no response is ever going to b

considered perfect and there are certainly people who decided to ride out the storm who say they saved few days of desperation waiting for food and water. what we can see the preparation and cooperation between local, state and federal officials really did pay off. we're talking about state officials urging people to evacuate as early as possible and also from the federal government all five branches of the military being prepositioned in areas nearby so that after the storm passed they could try to get to some of the hard hit areas and deliver food and water as quickly as possible. the quick question, of course going forward will be how people view the government's role in the recovery phase. >> dickerson: manuel bajorquez, thanks so much. we'll be back in a moment.

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