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congratulations to the alabama crimson tide, who, last night, beat the georgia bulldogs to win the college football championship. it's the best thing to happen to alabama since not electing roy moore. ( cheers and applause ) good for you! that's two in a row! that's two in a row! ( laughter ) but the big story wasn't the game itself, it was one special ticket-holder: donald trump. he was on everyone's mind before the game, including the players: >> ( bleep ) trump! ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: i know that seems inappropriate, but, in that player's defense, he was just quoting rex tillerson. ( laughter ) speaking of our president,

bipartisan meeting on immigration reform, focused mainly on reforming our policy of having immigrants. the stakes are high. if the two sides can't find a compromise, the federal government is going to shut down on january 20 -- or as historians call it, "one year too late." ( laughter ) now, this meeting was today. doesn't mean this afternoon, right? ( cheers and applause ) they had the meeting this afternoon and they did it in kind of an exceptional way. hadn't seen this before. they held an open meeting and let cameras in for the negotiations. they don't let cameras into the bachelor fantasy suite when they're engaging in "bipartisan negotiations." i mean sex. ( laughter ) trump seemed confident that a bipartisan immigration solution was possible. >> having the democrats in with us is absolutely vital. it should be a bipartisan bill. a bill of love. >> stephen: and you know what they say, if you lso

( laughter ) if they come back to you, build a wall so they can't get in. but here's the thing -- last week, trump gave his price for an immigration deal. he wants to end the green card lottery, family immigration, and he's demanding $18 billion for the initial phase of his mexican border wall. wait, no, you said mexico would pay for the wall. it was your thing. you chanted it. now you've forgotten it? that's like bon jovi forgetting the lyrics to "you give love a bad name." by the way, mr. president, you give love a bad name. ( laughter ) ( piano riff ) ( applause ) these people don't. these people know how to love. ( laughter ) but, this weekend, trump clarified. >> yeah, i believe that mexico will pay for the wall. i have a very good relationship with mexico.

nafta, we'll see how that goes. yes. but mexico will pay-- in some form, mexico will pay for the wall. >> stephen: "yes, mexico will pay for the wall, in some form. i'm thinking free guac on your birthday." ( laughter ) okay? that's got to add up. that's got to add up. it's like 50 cents for extra guac. it adds up. and in this meeting, trump delivered a strong message of leadership: "somebody else fix it. " >> you folks are going to have to come up with a solution, and, if you do, i will sign that solution. my positions are going to be what the people in this room come up with. >> stephen: "i've always firmly believed whatever the people i'm in the same room with tell me to believe. my brain is made of tofu. it absorbs the flavor of whatever you throw at it." okay? ( cheers and applause ) ssoy, sin ginger, dash of racis, we're good. ( laughter )

( applause ) here's the thing -- both democrats and republicans agree that a path to citizenship should be created for dreamers. the problem is republicans don't want to pass daca without the wall, and democrats do. and, for a brief moment, the president briefly agreed with the democrats. >> what about a clean daca bill now with a commitment that we go into a comprehensive immigration reform? >> i have no problem-- i think that's basically what dick is saying. we will come up with daca. we will do daca and start on the phase two, which would be comprehensive. i think a lot of people would like to see that. but i think we have to do daca first. >> mr. president, you need to be clear. what senator feinstein is talking about, we don't want to be back here two years later. you have to have security, as the secretary would tell you. >> that's what she is saying. >> no, i think she is saying something different. >> stephen: "i agree with dianne feinstein because i heard her speaking last. what's that? kevin's talking now? okay, i agree with kevin. although, technically, i want to point out i'm now the last

with myself. good meeting. cheeseburger time, bye bye." ( cheers and applause ) ( piano riff ) and while republicans won't approve daca unless it comes with funding for the border wall, trump demonstrated his master negotiator skills by saying, what if it was less wall? >> that doesn't mean 2,000 miles of wall because you just don't need that because of nature. because of mountains and rivers and lots of other things. there are large areas where you don't need a wall because you have a mountain and you have a river. you have a violent river, and you don't need it. >> stephen: we all remember the chant from trump campaign rallies. "build the wall! unless the local terrain provides sufficient enough protection and can act as a natural wall proxy! maga!" ( cheers and applause )

but really good. ( laughter ) and trump made it clear that he has congress' back, even if an immigration compromise is unpopular. >> if we do this properly, daca, you're not so far away from comprehensive immigration reform. and if you want to take it that further step, i will take the heat. i don't care. i don't care. i will take all the heat you want to give me. and i will take the heat both off the democrats and the republicans. my whole life has been heat. i like heat, in a certain way. >> stephen: then i've got great news, sir. you're in hot water with robert mueller. ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) that's why you look par-boiled. he's the frog. ( laughter ) speaking of which, one of the questions of the russia investigation has been the senate testimony of fusion g.p.s., the opposition research firm that compiled the infamous "steele dossier" of allegations against trump. it's got a lot of stuff in

fusion's founder testified to the senate back in august, and he's repeatedly asked for it to be made public, but that's been blocked by iowa senator and man who gives out religious pamphlets for halloween, chuck grassley. well, today, senator dianne feinstein said, "screw it, i'm 84. here it is." ( laughter ) the testimony was released as a 312 page pdf, and, just like everyone else, i quickly downloaded it and searched for the word "pee pee." nothin'. also tried "tinkle," "urine," and "asparagus." nothing. got skunked. we'll have more on the story tomorrow as it trickles out. ( laughter ) meanwhile, back to the russia probe headed by special counsel and man who was just asked how the investigation is going, robert mueller.

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( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) >> stephen: jon batiste and "stay human" right there, everybody! ( cheers and applause ) absolutely beautiful! absolutely beautiful! what a lovely

welcome back! >> jon: what's happening? >> stephen: how's it going over there? you guys sound good tonight, real good. ( cheers and applause ) love to hear you sing. that's nice. ( singing ) >> stephen: this just in, hours ago when we did this show: after explosive revelations of criticism of the president in the book "fire and fury," steve bannon has been forced to step down from his post as executive chairman of breitbart news. ( cheers and applause ) yes. yes. ( applause ) bannon, seen here in happier days? ( laughter ) has lost his white house position, his billionaire benefactor, his base, and now his job. it just proves what i've always said-- criticizing donald trump is not good for your career. ( laughter )

meanwhile, it's day two of the oprah 2020 campaign. ( laughter ) when will she choose a running mate? does she even need to run? or does she just say the white house is one of her favorite things and move in? ( laughter ) everyone wants to know what oprah is thinking. and we got an inside scoop today from oprah's bestie and my three-legged race partner at the cbs company picnic, gayle king. here she is talking about an oprah presidential bid on "cbs this morning," this morning. >> gayle has even said she would bet her first-born child that oprah would never run. so gayle? >> stop talking, jan. just stop it, jan. >> stephen: uh-oh gayle. looks like your son belongs to jan now. ( laughter ) everyone knows cbs works on rumplestiltskin rules.

so, gayle didn't say oprah was running. but she didn't say oprah wasn't not thinking about not, maybe, yes, running. or something. >> i absolutely don't think that her position has changed. i don't. you know, i was up talking to her very late last night. i do think she's intrigued by the idea. she loves this country and would like to be of service in some way, but i don't think that she's actively considering it. >> for the record -- >> i'm not trying to be cute here or be mysterious, but i do think it's a very intriguing thing that she had never considered. no matter what happens, i will be at "cbs this morning." >> that's not what you said earlier. ( laughter ) >> stephen: put a cork in it, norah! do you want to be friends with oprah's chief of staff or not? i can't believe norah o'donnell violated gayle's trust like that! i just want to say, gayle, i would never betray you like that. >> jon: that's not what you said earlier.

jon! of course, all of this talk about oprah was sparked by her stirring speech at the golden globes on sunday, after which she got a wave of support on twitter. including from first daughter and robot greeter at a japanese airport, ivanka trump. last night, ivanka tweeted: "just saw at oprah's empowering and inspiring speech at last night's #goldenglobes. let's all come together, women and men, and say #timesup! #united." "and don't forget to pick up your rose gold 'times up' bracelet at ivankatrump.com promo code 'you go girl.'" ( laughter ) ( applause ) we made up some of that. >> jon: you make up any of that? >> stephen: we made up a little bit of that. ( applause ) now, ivanka didn't get around to tweeting this until the night after the golden globes. i mean, she's way too busy to live-tweet tv while it's happening. it's not like she's the president.

( laughter ) and ivanka's tweeting in support of someone who would run against her own father. it's the most surprising endorsement since churchill. >> we shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them on the landing fields, but one thing you can't beat is german engineering-- buy mercedes-benz! ( laughter ) >> stephen: gary is so good in that. >> jon: yeah. >> stephen: >> stephen: one person who has no doubts about how donald trump would do against oprah is donald trump. >> can you beat oprah by the way? >> yeah, i'll beat o -- oprah would be a lot of fun. >> stephen: yeah, it would be fun watching two billionaire tv stars wrestle for control of our nuclear arsenal. you know. fun. ( laughter ) we'll be right back with james franco. ( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) if your moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's symptoms

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( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) >> stephen: hey, everybody! welcome back! ( cheers and applause ) hey, everybody, welcome back to the show! i'm so excited! my first guest just won the golden globe for "the disaster artist," a great movie about the worst movie ever made. please welcome james franco. ( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) hey! welcome back! >> thanks, brother. >> stephen: good to see you again. >> good to see you. >> stephen: i'm so happy for you. >> thank you. >> stephen: i'm so happy for you. when i heard that you were going to make this movie, i didn't know what to think. did anybody know what to think

movie? >> i read the book first and the story behind the movie is incredible. if you knew that, but -- >> stephen: still a bold choice to remake essentially parts of the worst movie ever made and showing us how it got -- >> it was a bold choice. seth rogen said, i can't believe we're making this movie. >> stephen: that's really good. >> i had some practice. >> stephen: congratulations on the golden globe. well deserved. ( cheers and applause ) >> thank you. >> stephen: i saw it. what i love about it is, yeah, it's one of the worst movies ever made. >> "the room." >> stephen: what i love is it's like a valentine to what is essentially beautiful about the need to create and to have your work validated, to be seen

known. >> yeah, i mean, essentially what i saw is what you're talking about where, yes, it's bold to make a movie about a bad thing at the center, but underneath that, it's the same story as any artist, you know. he has the -- tommy wiseau had the passion of everyone, you know. he had the same feelings, the same dreams that we had, you know, and it's just that the filter it kind of came out there made it weird, but -- >> stephen: right. but the story we wanted to tell was the story of his passion. >> stephen: when he gets up at the premiere and he says, my movie is my life, you know -- ( laughter ) is that what he said? >> this is my movie. this is my life. be cool. >> stephen: that's the heart of it. this is my movie. this is my life. you know what i mean? >> yes. in a weird way, the disaster of it is my movie, my life because i had the same dreams, we had the same heros. james dean.

>> stephen: you won a golden globe for playing james dean. >> yes. >> stephen: and you won a golden globe for playing a guy who wanted to be james dean. >> that's right. >> stephen: you should stop now. this is it. full circle. >> i brought him up on stage and after that, all that and he kept saying, destiny, james. destiny. >> stephen: well, when you want, you did invite him up on stage and then you checked him into the boards when he tried to go for the mic. you actually dropped it like an atomic elbow on him. why? why? and what? ( laughter ) >> look, you don't get much time up there. i feel bad for tommy. i was going to give him the mic, okay, if i had extra time. it's just that they told me, like, 40 seconds. >> stephen: sure. and i knew i was not going to get everyone out. i didn't get to thank the writers, i didn't get to thank a lot of people. i knew i had to thank my brothe

i love him and -- >> stephen: that's one of the most beautiful parts. i love that. >> i'm sorry, tommy, i just had to thank my brother. >> stephen: well, he told the "los angeles times" what he would have said. >> i know what he would have said. >> stephen: would you feel comfortable -- would you be comfortable in saying what he wanted to say as tommy? >> so this is what everyone missed -- if a lot of people love each other, the world would be a better place. >> stephen: that's not bad. ( applause ) that's not bad. by the way, i'm a big fan of your brother dave as well. he's fantastic. dave, would you mind coming out here for a second? ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: so nice to meet you. thank you for being here. have a seat. ( cheers and applause ) what is going on? did your mom dress

suits? is one of you the stunt double of the other? i can't figure out which it is. >> we have the same stylist. i don't know. >> i stole his stylist. >> stephen: you stole his stylist. you're the younger brother. >> yes. >> stephen: by how much? even years. >> stephen: that's significant. you need to moisturize. ( laughter ) >> true. >> stephen: obviously, you've won the awards, but how does it feel, when you look at yourself in the mirror tonight to know that your brother's performance in "21 jump street " is funnier than anything you will ever do. truly a master fulfill performance. did you ever say, i'm coming for ya? >> no, i'm shocked you even know who i am. i don't know why i'm on the show right now. you made my year, man. >> stephen: great. well, listen, you gotta talk. we've got

david franco, everybody! ( cheers and applause ) i love him! >> i love him. >> stephen: you did this thing that was kind of nice is that you took all the nominees for best actor and best supporting actor out to dinner or most out to dinner, was this the night before? >> the night before. >> stephen: did you place bets on who was going to win? >> no. no, the point was the opposite of that. >> stephen: you were psyching them out. >> no! >> stephen: just locking eyes with carell. >> no! >> stephen: just going shock eye on him. >> when i was nominated for an oscar -- >> stephen: when i was nominated for an oscar, nice opening to a sentence -- ( laughter ) >> okay. that year was the year of the king's speech and everybody was talking colin firth. >> stephen: what were you nominated

>> 127 hours. >> stephen: i follow his career more than yours. ( laughter ) >> i thought it wouldn't disturb me. i thought, okay, just let it go. >> stephen: you don't care, right? >> yes, but to show that i didn't care, they asked me to host the oscars, and i hosted the show that i didn't care because eight hosts in the history of the oscars had hosted the night they were nominated and out of all those eight, only one in the history of the oscars has hosted one, david nimmen and i thought this is a way to show i don't care. i showed how much i don't care because to take that show on when i never wanted to showed i cared. i just wanted to take the curse and the pressure off of it. the guys were so excited. it was, like, yes, you know. >> stephen: hank says they should do it every year now. >> yeah. >> stephen: call it a

honor. >> it was an honor. >> stephen: and what tom hanks says goes right into the constitution. >> it's true. >> stephen: so it's not going to happen. ( applause ) now, we've got to go here in a minute, but before we do, i do want to ask you something. i mentioned backstage i wanted to talk to you about this and if you're okay talking about it, i want to ask you about criticism you got on a golden globe's night because you were wearing a times up pin in support of the time's up movement which has been created by many powerful women in hollywood to say that the time is up for the abuse, misuse of women both sexually and otherwise, not only in hollywood but around the country. they've established a fund, a legal defense fund for women and men abused in this way. you got criticized for wearing that. do you know why and do you have a response, anything you want to say about that criticism? >> well, first, i want to say i wore it because i dopp

i was, you know -- look, i was so excited to win, but being in that room that night was incredible. i mean, it was powerful. there were incredible voices, and i support it. i support change. i support 50/50 and 20/20 which just means, you know, people underrepresented, women, people of color, people in the lgbt community get leadership positions that they fill all positions they have been deprived of, i completely believe in that. ( cheers and applause ) that's why i wore it. there were some things on twitter -- >> stephen: today. yeah, i didn't -- i haven't read them. i've heard about them. okay, first of all, i have no idea what i did to ali, i directed her in a play off

with her, total respect for her. i have no idea why she was upset. she took the tweet down. i don't know. i can't speak for her, i don't know. the others, look, in my life i pride myself on taking responsibility for things i've done. i have to do that to maintain my well being. i do it whenever i know that there is something wrong or needs to be changed, i make it a point to do it. the things that i heard that were on twitter are not accurate, but i completely support people coming out and being able to have a voice because they didn't have a voice for so long. so i don't want to -- i don't want to, you know, shut them down in any way. it's, i think, a good thing and i support it. >> stephen: well, is there something

some way to have this discussion that isn't in social media? is there some way to have this conversation that piggy backs on what's happening in social media? because when accusations happen -- because for so long accusations were not believed. when accusations happened, in your case, you say this is not an accurate thing for me. do you have any idea what the answer might be to come to some sense of what the truth is so there can be a s.e.c. silliation between people who clearly have different views of things? i mean, it's a big question but i don't know how to leave or to further this discussion. >> i mean, like i said, if i -- you know, i -- i can't -- the way i live my life, i can't live if there's restitution to be made. i will make it. so if i've done something wrong, i will fix it. i have to. i mean, i think that's

works. i don't know what else -- i don't know what else to do. i mean, as far as the bigger issues, you know, how we do it. i -- look, i really don't have the answers and i think the point of this whole thing is that we listen. you know, there were incredible people talking that night. they had a lot to say, and i'm here to listen and learn and change my perspective where it's off, and i'm completely willing and want to. >> stephen: well, thank you for taking a moment to talk about it right now. ( cheers and applause ) congratulations again. it's an absolutely beautiful movie. thank you. james franco, everybody. "the disaster artist" is in theaters now! we'll be right back with lena waithe! ..a worm! like, a dagger? a tiny sword? bread...breadstick? a matchstick! a lamppost! coin slot! no? uhhh...

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( cheers and applause ) ban ( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) >> stephen: hey, everybody! welcome back to the show!

guest tonight is an actress and emmy award winning writer on "master of none." her new show is called "the chi." please welcome lena waithe! ( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) >> stephen: nice to finally meet you. >> yeah. >> stephen: we were saying over there, we were there emmys night on stage at the same time because you were the first african-american woman to quinn win writing in comedy for "master of none." congratulations on that! ( cheers and applause ) that's nice. >> big responsibility. >> stephen: yeah, big responsibility. >> you know? just got to make sure i'm not the last. that's the goal. >> stephen: that's true. ( cheers and applause ) also big responsibility because you were an actress

of none." >> correct. >> stephen: and i understand did not intend to be a writer on the show. >> no. i was, like, acting as, you know, that's a tough enough job, remember my lines and hit my mark. also, i said i'm busy, man. i'm trying to get "the chi" picked up. i was shooting in london. he's, like, okay, we'll come to london and write it there. he came to london, we wrote it in a couple of days and, book, made history. >> stephen: wow. ( cheers and applause ) speaking of awards history, you were at the golden globes. >> i was. i was one to have the seven black people there. an honor. >> stephen: you were there for the launch of oprah's 2020 campaign. can you give us what the vibe of the room was? >> well, it was very exciting, you know. it was also -- i just wanted to say, like, i want to be an intern for the campaign, you know, i wao

sweep the floors and, you know, help comb the curls out and make sure her hair is always just so. >> stephen: mm-hmm. of course, the camera guy got me listening intently. just going, yeah, you are the goal to take over the world, to be on that stage, to be eloquent and amazing and smell like heaven. ( laughter ) it was phenomenal, man. it was crazy town. it was, like, this is god's child. on stage, giving us a word. >> stephen: but how do you feel? >> dead inside. ( laughter ) >> stephen: while it had been announced, the golden globes was the launch of the time's up campaign. >> time's up, man. >> stephen: how did you feel about how the launch of that began? >> honestly, it was any first golden globes and it was an honor to wear black, to walk on that carpet and see so many other people wearing plaque and wearing the pins, i was the beginning of t

together and saying, look, this what's happening now isn't okay and we want to step up and do something, and i think the fun is us putting our money where our mouths are. we're not just talking about it. we're saying let's do something about it. but for people who have an issue and want to come out and say, hey, i was abused and was harassed and i wanted to support it and financially as well. >> stephen: the financial support of a legal fund that both men and women can use who feel they're powerless and being abused in the workplace is a wonderful thing. >> absolutely because you don't want to come forward and go broke having to speak your truth. we want to make sure justice goes to those who deserve it and we want to give the financial support to those they so desperately need ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: yes. did you think of yours

primarily or do you make this differentiation primarily as a perform rp or writer? how would you identify? >> i think of myself as a writer who got co-opted to perform a bit. >> stephen: what do you mean? alison jones said do you have any desire to act? i said no. she said, okay, i'm going to bring you in for stuff anyway. >> stephen: was writing easy for you? some writers have to write. they have no option. >> i don't know if i say it's easy, but i don't have a choice in the matter. it's the gift that god gave me so i'm going to use it. >> stephen: when did you know you had it? >> when i was seven. >> stephen: wow. yeah. i was watching a different world on nbc as a little black kid in chicago and said whatever that is, i want to be a part of it. my fifth grade teacher said i enjoy reading your papers, lena. i said why? she said because you write the way you speak. i remember thinking, huh, that's good. so i said, i likech

i'm going to put those two things together and make a lot of money doing it. >> stephen: at seven? yeah. and then maybe in the back of my mind said i'll be the first black woman to win an emmy for writing funny stuff. >> stephen: good plans to follow. ( applause ) tell me about the new show. the new show is called "the chi." your creator, producer, writer. you're producing this with common. >> yeah, man. >> stephen: and you're from chicago but this is not autobiographical, right? >> yeah. >> stephen: what's the story you want to tell about "chicago" -- about chicago? >> the story is they're not a bunch of hooligans. the truth is they're a lot of working class folk, trying to go to work, feed their kids and get to church when they can and that's what i really wanted to tell. i wanted to tell a human story and i think it may be a very simple concept to tell the story about what it means to be black and human on the south side

chicago. sounds like a novel idea, but i think tv needs that because i don't think people often think of black folks as human beings and i think it's important i did that because we're becoming dehumanized. >> stephen: especially in chicago black people end up being statistics. >> and we're dehumanized, we're desensitized to our deaths. i want to put a human face behind the statistics. >> stephen: can you tell us what's aping in the clip? >> one of the characters brandon has lost his brother does to gun violence and is thinking about doing something that maybe he shouldn't do to get revenge. >> stephen: jim? how you doing? supposed to go over to my mom's house and help her clean (bleep) out the room. but she's blaming me for (bleep). >> sorry. he's hearing voices and (bleep). >> why don't you roll with me tonight, man. get your mind off stuff?

something up? talk to me, bro. >> brandon, i think i know who killed my brother. >> it's the feel-good show of the year. lots of laughs ( laughter ) >> stephen: thanks for being here. congratulations on the new show. >> thank you. >> stephen: "the chi" airs sundays on showtime, lena waithe everybody! we'll be right back with a performance by anderson east. ( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) hi...so i just got off the phone with our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. so the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight-

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