mr. clough, let me ask about the funding for the smithsonian, about 35% from government sources, the stock market is struggling and debt increase, are you looking for other sources of funding? >> we are, we want to be more self-reliant, there was a budget challenge even before the economic recession. we think we have come through the recession pretty well. we had an increase in attendance, we are a wonderful bargain for the american people, because we are free. and we have had some increase and had some tightening of the belt. and now the question is how to deal with the long-term economics. and we can through grants and contracts and fill -- fill --fill philanthropy. >> can you think of any time you would charge admission? >> no, that's not part of our thinking, when i see the families and the wonderful smiles on the faces there. and the people come multiple times. that's a great thing for the american people. and at all costs if we can keep free admission, we should try. >> stacey, first question. >> you had this job for more than a year, when can you think about in the scandal of congre

mr. clough has inherit? >> i think there was a number of changes, there was a culture o problems and he's had to move quickly to deal with that. and he's got experience with a college, and he said that they were behind and has to bring them up quickly. it's a sprawling institution and he's done much to put things in place. and congress and the public will trust the institution more. >> this came up and looking back, what happened and why was there no oversight? >> one thing the board was a high-power, the justices and the president of the united states were on the board, but didn't have time to watch, and mr. small was accused of keeping a lot of things to himself and deciding he would act like a corporate executive than a nonprofit executive. and he got into a lot of trouble, the board talked about resigning because they were so in the dark. but in the end they decided to overhaul themselves and have invited the public to ensure trust. it was g8÷a messy situation and conflicts, there was a scandal a week in