>> i think what technology has done is speed the process of creating, i'll call them pseudoicons. a capacity to turn someone instantly into something larger than life, for relatively little achievement and little accomplishment of any kind, so the technology, in my mind, is probably facilitating that kind of, if you will, iconic creation. >> and while that's true, ellis, the plus of the internet is the availability of history, even if it's not taught in school there at your fingertips yet at the other end of it is i say with the social networking, the advent of 24-hour cable coverage and the like, we see warts o people that heretofore you would not have seen, some iconic figures would not have been as pristine. >> sure. >> in today's world. >> not just the technology, it's the whole approach to what you report on people that has changed over the years as well, so there are a lot of flaws that get reported and a lot of trivia that get reported that would not have been reported in the old days but i think something howard said is key and it goes, it actually goes beyond the issue of