and his own ex-wife says marty rathbun lives for war. people, many of them who you know very well, they all say david miscavige is kind, hardworking, a passionate man who has done really nothing but good for the church. >> they will say anything they need to say, anderson. >> current senior members of the sea organization say while their former colleague, marty rathbun was repeatedly violent, for many years, none of them informed the church's leader, david miscavige. >> that guy has a streak of violence. >> on four occasions between 2000 and 2002 to you, mr. starkey as well as five incidents in 2001. nine incidents between 2000 and 2002. >> marty rathbun is gone. when we found out he's out of the church. >> let me finish. >> mr. miscavige was not there. >> he was not there. you have telephones, fax machines, e-mails, why wasn't he informed. >> you don't immediately pick up the phone and call the leader a world-wide religion. >> you had four years to do it here. no one over the course of four years informed david miscavige a high ranking

nine incidents between 2000 and 2002. >> marty rathbun is gone. when we found out he's out of the church. >> let me finish. >> mr. miscavige was not there. >> he was not there. you have telephones, fax machines, e-mails, why wasn't anybody informed. >> you don't immediately pick up the phone and call the leader a world-wide religion. >> you had four years to do it here. no one over the course of four years informed david miscavige a high ranking member of his church was mistreating people. >> there's something you don't understand. >> you can say yes or no. >> marty rathbun was not in a top position when that happened. >> he was -- he was a member of the sea organization, he was important enough to have an office next to you. nobody informed david miscavige this was going on. >> here's the point. the point is when mr. miscavige was informed, marty was removed, that's what matters. >> there's no physical evidence proving the former scientology charges just as the affidavit attacking miscavidge and his critics cannot be verified. although they disag