a.b. stoddard political journalism, current associate editor and columnist over at real clear politics. od evening and welcome to you both. a.b., i have a bit more of joe biden to play for you tonight then we'll discuss. >> this is not a -- we face a totally different world than we faced in the obama-biden administration. president trump has changed the landscape. it's become america first. >> a.b., are people conflating the appearance on that stage of integrity and expertise with the appearance of a third obama term? >> well, i think it's interesting because joe biden ran often, you know, harkening back to the obama-biden presidency. and he's having a lot of people fill top posts who worked in the obama administration. i think it's easy for people to say, look, that's just what he's doing, and it's a third obama term. i don't see it that way as the former vice president -- the president-elect subscribed. this is layer and layer of crises that while president obama inherited a deep recession, near depression joe biden is going to have to navigate a once in a century pandemic with a very

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a.b. stoddard, associate editor and columnist for real clear politics. i will start with you, john heilemann. this is as weird of a year, as bizarre of a context for people to have to decide who to put in charge of our troubled country for the next four years, troubled in terms of the pandemic and the economic challenges that have ensued. i know you're sort of barnstorming in a non-traditional way. what is the feeling that you get out there? >> well, first of all, hi, nicolle. happy election day. and i think you know dish think i will say, not to be overly self-promotional about the podcast, hell and high water, but there's been an outpouring of love for you over this podcast. it's only been out for a few hours. but thousands of people saying how much they love hearing you talk not when you're on television, just in a more casual environment. and also amazement that you curse more than i do. which i don't think anybody thought was possible. but the f bombs were flying throughout this podcast. >> what a way to start. >> swearing like a sailor. >> did they

a.b. stoddard, and jim routenberg is back. jim, you've been all over this story since before the election ended which proves the point this was trump's plan all along. they seem to have the ability to pull accurately enough to know they weren't going to win on election day. but the piece they seem to not have in order was that you can't go into court and make things up the way donald trump does on twitter. is that where this is falling short for him? >> i mean, definitely. the courts, these are like evid evidentiary proving grounds. the interesting thing is there's a public case the president is making and that is fraud, fraud, fraud. in the courtroom they're not even often making that case. and when they even flirt with that case the judges say there's just no evidence for this. but especially when they're asked what they're asking for is the wholesale disenfranchisement of so many americans. >> and i'm glad we're finally calling it what it is, and you have a great piece in "the times" today about not just the wholesale disen

a.b. stoddard from real clear politics and byron york from "the washington examiner".governors kelly and reeves from kansas and mississippi trying to thread the needle here to not hurt small businesses but also deal with this surge. it is a real challenge. >> it sure is a real challenge. i think that in a lot of ways we may be understating just how much this crisis will define politics probably for the next 15 years in this country. and i think that quite frankly i think it stands to hurt politicians who are -- who are trying to do these lockdowns and do these mandates because i think that a lot of people feel like we've tried those things and the pandemic continues. it continues to spread and, you know, at the end of the day it will be things like the therapeutics, the vaccines and of course personal responsibility across the board that is going to be what -- americans are funny. they can have a lot of funny opinions about a lot of different things. one thing they do care about, they like their freedom. i think these kinds of mandates especially when the people that a

a.b. stoddard is back with us, current associate editor and columnist over at real clear politics. good evening and welcome to you all. jonathan i'm going to start with you because of your beat covering this president and this white house. so, there are a couple things going on. there's the daily flail. there's the unique moment we're in where we haven't heard from the president in person for days. there's the ongoing attempt to decapitate our intelligence community in broad daylight, in plain sight. then maggie haberman reports this tonight. as a next step, mr. trump is talking seriously about announcing that he is planning to run again in 2024, aware that whether he actually does it or not, it will freeze an already-crowded field of possible republican candidates. and republicans say, it will keep the wide support he showed nevin defeat and could guarantee a lucrative book deal or speaking fees. so, jonathan, this is about popularity. it's about the merch after all this? >> yeah, brian, that lines up with our reporting as well, where the president right now is indeed mulling his