a.b. stoddard, veteran washington journalist and associate editor and columnist for real clear politics. o latino, maria teresa kumar, and msnbc contributor. a.b., governor abbott of texas says this is a red state versus blue state political battle. but how? how is this a winning issue for him? spending state resources to put these people on a bus, are they really people in texas saying, right on, governor, you've got my vote. >> yes, stephanie. this is not only a winner for republicans with their base, but they are bargaining governors that it's a winner with swing voters as well. president biden's approval on immigration has been terrible throughout his presidency and in politics right now, the average of all the polls, 34.8% approval on this issue. his own pollsters, the new york times reported in may, tell him that this was a huge own ability for him, that voters were beginning to think there was no plan for chaos at the border. he has changed policies, obviously, since president trump, more permissive policies, that have allowed for more crossings. and these governors are saying, let