a.c. grayling! [cheers and applause] boom! professor grayling good to see you again. nice to have you back. >> nice be back. >> stephen: you are a professor of philosophy, master of new college of the humanities london. you have written several books including "the good book the humanist bible." you were here for that last tight. you have a new book called "the god argument the case against religion and for humanism." what sp humanism? is that like veganism? because i don't go down with can balls because i am delicious. what is that? >> it's an attitude about how we live a moral life. it's about where you start. >> stephen: it's religion. >> no, no. >> stephen: how you live the moral life. we have the laws from god, obey them. end of story. there's an older and richer view which stems from the greek philosophers who say, we human beings are responsible for thinking about our -- not a set of laws or a code. we have to take responsibility for ourselves not about how we're going to live a good life but how to relate well to other people. it's really what humanism is all