holmes is noted a.j. charms historian tour guide speaker and the author of the book a.g.h. homes the true history of the white city devil welcome so my welcome from the windy city of chicago adam selzer thank you so much for joining us adam there for having me once you've been featured on a number of documentaries including the history channel's investigation into the 3 that a church arms was also jack the ripper you won't what is it about the story of holmes that captivates was so much over a century after the man's death. but really the legend is very intriguing here's this guy who supposedly had a building full of hidden rooms and torture chambers how do you not get interested in something like that but even at the time there was something about the guy that just captured people's imaginations so that the just encourage people to let their imaginations run off screaming no he wrote and published a convex confession of sorts some of which is often misquoted because it was reprinted so many times. in one that i actually had to say it one of the things that i read. through