a.r. than apple. apple is copying designs of social media apps in china.t is copying china because china is innovating beyond what apple can do. it has to still from china to stay competitive. caroline: sad, changeable. how can we see tech talent fostered within the united states for those who grew up from the beginning in the united states? >> immigrants want to come to america. we love america. this is the place to be. if we allowed people to come here and give them visas, they would come. they would make americans compete. as long as there is not a salary disadvantage, competition is good for the country. the problem was when you have cheap labor, indentured servitude when people are tethered to countries -- companies. it would fix the range of problems. caroline: i will throw other problems that you because it is not cheap labor many people feel has undone manufacturing in the united states. many say the crux of the problem is automation. this is something you have written a lot about. what about the answers for the? ensureout educating to perhaps ever