clancy, is a.t. smith still on the secret service payroll? >> yes, sir. he is a detailee. to another homeland department. >> where does he work? what is his title? >> sir, i'm not aware of his title but he works for the cvp. >> your chief of staff? >> no, sir. >> he doesn't hold the title of chief of staff? >> sir, i don't know what his it title is. >> does he work in the secret service building? >> no, sir. >> does he have a secret service vehicle? >> not that i'm aware of. no, sir. >> you'll get back to me on that and confirm that? >> yes, sir. >> whose direction, whose decision yours or secretary johnson to detail smith rather than transfer him out of the agency? >> sir, it was my decision. >> so why do you keep him in the secret service? you sent out a press release says he's accepted a position within the department of homeland security effective tuesday, february 10th, 2015. but he still works for the secret service. >> sir, he's detailed to -- he is on our payroll, yes, sir. >> why? >> sir, i can't -- >> you told me, the ranking member, the world, you all sent out a

is a.t. smith still is secret service payroll? mr. clancy: yes sir, he is a detailee to another home a department. chairman chaffetz: what is this title? mr. clancy: i'm not aware of his title. chairman chaffetz: is your chief of staff? does he work in the secret service building? mr. clancy: no sir. chairman chaffetz: does he have a secret service vehicle? mr. clancy: not that i'm aware of, no sir. chairman chaffetz: you will confirm? mr. clancy: yes, sir. chairman chaffetz: whose decision was it to detail smith rather than transfer him out of the agency? chairman chaffetz: you said he is accepted a position within the department of homeland security, effective tuesday, february 10, 2015. but he still works for the secret service. mr. clancy: he is detailed, he is on our payroll. chairman chaffetz: why? you told the ranking member, you told the world, he said at a saying he was being transferred. but he still works for the secret service, doesn't he? mr. clancy: he gets a secret service paycheck. chairman chaffetz: how long is he det