aaron burr had been living in dolley's mother's boarding so dolley had knew aaron burr.t is aaron burr that lets her know that james madison wishes to meet her. so james madison would meet dolley and we believe here in this parlor for their first meeting. in the quaker community, they expected at least a year of mourning before you would get married again. so it really raised eyebrows in the quaker community that she would marry within less than a year. and she's very scrutinized by the quakers for that. and the fact that he is not a quaker means that she will drummed out of the community as well at a meeting as they say. swain: well that video gave us a very broad overview of the biography of dolley madison, so let's fill in a few of the blanks. first of all, where was she born? allgor: well, that's a little bit of a family scandal. so she wants very much to be considered a virginian born and bred. and her mother's folks are indeed from virginia and probably her father as well. but what happens is that john payne converts to quakerism which mary coles, her mother, is qu

so dolley had -- knew aaron burr.aron burr that lets her know that james madison wishes to meet her. so james madison would meet dolley and we believe here in the parlor for their first meeting. in the quaker community, they expected at least a year of mourning before you would get married again. so it really raised eyebrows in the quaker community that she would marry within less than a year. and she's very scrutinized by the quakers for that. and the fact that he is not a quaker means that she will drummed out of the community as >> that video give us a broad overview. where was she born? >> she wants to be virginia born and bred. her mother's folks are from virginia and probably her father's as well. john payne converts to quakerism and they go off and live in north carolina in a quaker community. as far as we know, they were just going to move there. dolley was born there so she is north carolina's only first lady. something happened on the frontier which we think had to do with her father's shady business practic

. >> it is aaron burr that lets her know that james madison wishes to meet her. >> she carved out a space for women where they could wield a great deal of political power.

in that gore vidal book about ehrenberg, he insinuates that -- about aaron burr, he insinuates that burrs the true father. michael: i would say it is a delightful tale but it is almost impossible. although during the campaign of 1840, that was certainly raised. then garin had been and it -- martin van buren had been a close associate of ehrenberg -- associate of aaron burr. the likelihood that martin van buren's mother, living in new york after having all these kids already was having an affair with aaron burr is highly unlikely. susan: stephanie johnson on twitter would like to know: pat: yes she did. here is this thing about young women in the white house. they are pregnant much of the time. they are either pregnant or giving birth. michael: angelica is pregnant twice in the white house. the first child, she lost. shortly after that, she retreated from public life because she was already pregnant and women were kept in private after that. pat: and she had three boys after the presidency. susan: terry in independence missouri. caller: high, i was wondering why martin van buren didn't ma

, jackson had actually been a close associate of aaron burr's as well.m charmed by him. but the likelihood that, you know, that martin van buren's mother living in this tavern in kinderhook, new york after having all of these kids already, she'd already been married once before, was having affair with aaron burr is really highly unlikely. swain: bethany johnson (ph) on twitter would like to know - i would like to know if angelica had any kids? brady: yes, she did. and, you know, that's one thing about these young women in the white house. their pregnant much of the time. they're either pregnant or they've given birth and they're nursing or the child dies and they're mourning and that was angelica's situation. henderson: yes, angelica was pregnant twice in the white house. the first child she lost rebecca. and had shortly after that -- - she retreated from public life because she was already pregnant and women were kept in private after that so... brady: and yes, and she had three boys. henderson: yes. brady: after? henderson: after that, right. brady: af

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