aaron burr was not necessarily a demagogue but he had a personality that i think would be correct to say could tilt into authoritarianism. they had some political rivalries but if a personality like aaron per had reached the presidency, -- aaron burr if he had reached presidency, i think it would've been a very dangerous person. i am not an expert on him but that is what i would say. host: norma in las cruces, new mexico, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am 78 years old and it is a shock to me all the sudden that people think this is the worst country in the world that exists. i have a degree in history in 1984. things have changed a lot in the way history is taught. every country in the world can go back and look at mistakes that have been made, but this country has tried, regardless of what others inc., two rectify the issues that existed back when the country was founded. my family came to this country in 1912 from italy and they were very happy to come here. they wanted to work, get a job, let their children's have an education, and they were not of means a

aaron burr was not necessarily a demagogue but he had a personality that i think would be correct to say could tilt into authoritarianism. they had some political rivalries but if a personality like aaron per had reached the presidency, -- aaron burr if he had reached presidency, i think it would've been a very dangerous person. i am not an expert on him but that is what i would say. host: norma in las cruces, new mexico, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am 78 years old and it is a shock to me all the sudden that people think this is the worst country in the world that exists. i have a degree in history in 1984. things have changed a lot in the way history is taught. every country in the world can go back and look at mistakes that have been made, but this country has tried, regardless of what others inc., two rectify the issues that existed back when the country was founded. my family came to this country in 1912 from italy and they were very happy to come here. they wanted to work, get a job, let their children's have an education, and they were not of means a

another was aaron burr. and of course another one was alexander hamilton, who, though he was dead by the end of jefferson's first term, in the presidency, by the time jefferson was leaving office in march 1809 he knew that his own pastoral vision of an america of farmers, small farmers, big farmers, people close to the earth who were by that very fact morally superior to people who are not close to the earth, lived in cities, and he knew that hamilton washington's vision of a commercial america, of america with a big bank and lots of banks and script and stock market and all of those things that didn't come from the soil, and that for jefferson monticello was the exact opposite. he also wasn't happy because a little later on andrew jackson was on the horizon. and some years before jefferson's death he was still paying attention. it seemed likely that andrew jackson would soon become president of the united states. he detested jackson. he still was an idealist enough to think that the american ship sailing th

into the john marshall wound because in 1806 jefferson eagerly looked to richmond, virginia, where aaron burr was on trial for treason which jefferson thought he was definitely guilty of and the luck of the assignment of supreme court judges to the various outlying districts. john marshall was the at aaron trial in richmond and instructed the jury exactly as to what the treason clause in the constitution meant. and the jury may not like the jefferson's former vice president, jefferson hayes, but he ain't guilty so jefferson hated number of people. one of them was marshall. another one was burr. and of course, another was alexander hamilton, who, though he was dead by a at the end of jefferson's first term, as in the presidency of the time, jefferson was leaving office. and what. should 1809 he he he knew that his own past rule vision of an america of farmers small big farmers people close to the earth who were by that very fact moral is superior to people who were not close to the earth, who lived in cities. and so he knew that hamilton washington's of a of a commercial america of america was

let me tell you, folks, 1800, you know, between adams and jefferson and aaron burr. but those were so colorful and interesting. i mean, we are boring by comparison, as we say in texas. i guarantee you it was a lot more interesting in those days, the tensions. i mean, you had media in those days that were really stoking the fires of, you know, the federalists hating the democratic were republicans and vice versa. lies through the lies repeated with thomas jefferson and john adams supervising the media production of these articles that were blatant lies. so we've had some rough times. the 1960s. well, see, i'm just old enough to remember a bit of. 1960s. you got a good laugh with that one? that's right. some historian that. that's right. that's right. the 1960s were really interesting because i what i remember well, i had a brother who graduated from the air force academy, and so he was flying a force in the vietnam era that kind of has a way of riveting your attention when there's a lot of civil unrest, a lot of anti war protests. that was a period of of great protest