fault and you hear somebody laughing in the background. >> and that was aaron copeland. >> playing two leonard bernstein. >>s and you first did that at city ballet. >> yeah, when i first joined new york city ballet, i was called very early. and it's a story about three sailors on shore leave. later, second version of the broadway show "on the town" you may know, ♪ new york new york and it was that mighty, mighty yacht. damn, they arrived. countless curtain calls and these young guys. and jerry was in it as a dancer and he did this sailor. he was -- did the rhumba dance and the other sailors like a kid from kansas, kind of dreamy. another little rough and tumble short guy, a lot of energy. and jerry would create these characters. so fancy-free. >> you said you were tired in 20 2008, you broadened your aperture, where you became interested in everything. arts and society and combining them. explain what was your thought process there? >> well, as i became the dancer i became, i was lucky enough to start to widen, you know, at a certain point, and i started being the arts guy in the room.

it is all aaron copeland's fault. you hear somebody laughing in the background. >> it was copeland?g "two pianos" in the background. >> you joined the new york city ballet. >> yeah. it is a story about three sailors on shore leave. later, the second version of the broadway shore, "on the town," you may know it. ♪ new york, new york but first was "fancy free." they arrived. countless curtain calls, these young guys. jerry was in it as a dancer. he did this sailor. the other kid was dreamy. another is a little rough and tumble, short guy with a lot of energy. jerry would create these characters. "fancy free." >> you said you retired in 2008. you didn't really retire. you broadened your aperture again, like going back to your childhood. you became interested in everything. art and society, combining them. explain bha explain, what was your thought process there? >> as i became the dancer i became, i was lucky enough to start to widen, you know, at a certain point. i started being the arts guy in the room. in a room of, you know, many things, i would get to go to conferences or, you kno