joined me in the studio to discuss the timing and the significance of the looming referendums. aaron massa, significance historically geopolitically, but what i would focus on is the military significance because essentially by supporting this referenda, what russia is saying is, well, it's, i think, a nice trolling of nato charter, an attack against them will be an attack against us. and that completely changes the way this military operation will be perceived both in moscow and hopefully in the west as well, because it will allow russia to use different kinds of armaments. it will allow russia to use different kinds of strategies, and i hope that will impact decision making on the western side as well. because, you know, ascending weapons tend to be far against what russia considers its own territory. is something different. and certainly things i put in is up in the anti right. how as well, i'm very conscious. they said, yeah, and i was what you were blinking in america was saying, just have a den he's in his. he said in your here in washington, we're really worried with genuinely worri