i do want to bring in now aaron murphy. he's a commercial pilot, a flight instructor, and he's with us tonight from inside of a flight simulator. uh, aaron, i don't know if you were able to hear some of what john was saying there in that interview. were you able to hear that? >> i heard john's. >> words loud and clear. >> and there is there's nothing quite as harrowing as listening to someone's first account of a situation such as this, where you've walked away from something that, uh, you were probably sure it was the end. and i'm so happy that so many people walked away from this one. absolutely. >> yeah, it's it's unbelievable. and i know you say that this was a completely routine flight until the very final seconds before landing. it seems like that's what we've heard. maybe kind of gusty. we heard that from john. another passenger said he felt like it was very normal. can you talk to us, though, about what wind conditions were like and what pilots would have been dealing with as they were landing here? >> absolutely. br

aaron. >> all right. thank you very much. jeff zeleny at the white house, an outfront now, the democratic senator, chris murphy, who sits on the foreign relations committee and senator, so appreciate your time tonight. so trump spoke to putin today, and he said he and putin agreed to start negotiations immediately. and then he said after that call, he was going to call zelenskyy to inform him of the conversation. do you worry that zelenskyy is getting cut out of this? >> well, i think there's no doubt that. >> donald trump wants to negotiate ukraine's. >> future for ukraine. >> listen, i'm all for a diplomatic solution here, but not one that hands the entirety of ukraine to vladimir putin. donald trump has said he doesn't want to spend any more money on this war. and if vladimir putin knows that, that means that he's got the better hand at the negotiating table. ultimately, it's really bad for the united states. if russia owns ukraine, it's very possible russia won't stop and they will invade a nato country. that's american boots on the ground. that's our lives at stake. it also means that china accelerates their plans to try