i am the chair of the committee, supervisor aaron peskin. joined by vice chair supervisor safai and supervisor dean preston. and the clerk is miss erica major. miss major, do you have announcements? >> clerk: yes, please due to the covid-19 health emergency and to protect board members and the city employees and the public, the board of supervisors legislative chamber and committee room are closed. however, members will be participating in the meeting remotely. and precaution is taken pursuant to the state-wide stay at home order and all preceding and proceeding local, state and federal orders, declarations and orders. members will be by teleconference or telephone if the video fails and participate in the meetings to the extent as if they were physically present. public comment is available on each item of this agenda. channel 26 and sfgovtv.org are streaming the number at the top of the screen. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. comments or opportunities to use -- to speak during the comment period are available via phone c

i am supervisor gordon mar, the chair of this committee, and i'm joined by supervisor aaron peskin and matt haney, who are members of this committee. thanks to clerk john carroll, and i'd like to thank sfgovtv for broadcasting this remote meeting. mr. clerk, do you have announcements? >> clerk: thank you, mr. chair. i have announcements. due to covid-19, the board of supervisors committee and legislative chambers are closed at this time. members will be participating remotely. a committee members will attend the meeting through video conference and participate in the meeting to the same extent as if they were physically present. public comment will be available on each item on this agenda. both channel 26 and sfgovtv.org are streaming the call-in number up near the top of your screen. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. comments or opportunities to speak during the public comment period are available via phone by call 888-204-5984. that phone number again is 888-204-5984. there is an access code. the access code is 3501008. again, the access code for public comment is 35

supervisor aaron peskin, always a pleasure. ank you for being with us. >> and i just want to say, god bless the chinese hospital. they've been fantastic. >> yeah, they played a vital role. aaron, thanks. larry, back to you. >> all right, dion. >>> oakland mayor libby schaaf says her city will establish a task force to investigate possible racial disparities in coronavirus cases. schaaf spoke about the subject today on midday live. she said the task force will collect data to see if there have been disproportionate numbers of people of color in oakland being infected and dying from this virus like there has been in other cities. >> health disparities by race are not new. the fact that it's getting attention during the covid-19 crisis is in some ways hopeful because this has been a persistent inequity forever. >> new data released by the state after we do that interview with the mayor shows that african americans in california represent a disproportionately higher percentage of deaths compared to the overall population while latin

i am the chair of the committee, supervisor aaron peskin. joined by vice chair supervisor safai and supervisor dean preston. and the clerk is miss erica major. miss major, do you have announcements? >> clerk: yes, please due to the covid-19 health emergency and to protect board members and the city employees and the public, the board of supervisors legislative chamber and committee room are closed. however, members will be participating in the meeting remotely. and precaution is taken pursuant to the state-wide stay at home order and all preceding and proceeding local, state and federal orders, declarations and orders. members will be by teleconference or telephone if the video fails and participate in the meetings to the extent as if they were physically present. public comment is available on each item of this agenda. channel 26 and sfgovtv.org are streaming the number at the top of the screen. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. comments or opportunities to use -- to speak during the comment period are available via phone c

there is aaron peskin. maybe this is a question for the transbay joint powers authority, but in item 2 why does the city and county of san francisco need to authorize? why can't the tj pa do its own financing? >> i would be happy to answer that question. this is chief financial officer at jtpa. the resolution is in front of you because we are joint powers authority and all financings have to go in front of the board in which we are doing the construction, the physical construction within or the financing will take place. it is part of state statute for jpa law. we are required to come to the san francisco board of supervisors so the board can find public benefit to the financing. that would be defined as demonstrated savings or economic benefit in terms of job growth. there is another faceto that. that would be so you can find public benefit to the financing for jtpa. >> thank you for that answer. with regard to the $115 million portion of the tax allocation bonds, that references payments of judgment or se

i am the chair of the committee, aaron peskin. i would like to thank you, colleagues and members of the public for your indulgence as we needed to recess as to item number 1 that has already been called pending the receipt of some amendments, which subject to our deliberation of public comment, i would like to introduce today and continue so there will be plenty of opportunity for the public and interested parties to review them and comment on them at a subsequent meeting. so let me at a high level, go through the amendments that are before you as to what we used to call corporate housing legislation, we are now calling intermediate-length occupancy or i.l.o. legislation. the first amendment would make it clear, remember the earlier version said that in building typologies of nine or less units, 25% of them would be eligible for an i.l.o. unit, which i think colleagues on this committee and members of the public were seeking clarification on as it relates to dwelling units of fewer than four, ie, ones twos and threes and the amend

but supervisor aaron peskin who wrote the measure now says the tax should be suspended for a year whilehe city recovers from this virus outbreak. >>> the number of coronavirus cases in the united states has passed another milestone. today the united states surpassed 1 million cases. that's according to data compiled by johns hopkins university on their coronavirus tracker. and the number of deaths in the united states is now approaching 60,000. to put that in perspective, that's more than all of the americans who died fighting in the vietnam war. doctor anthony fauci said he is hopeful whether we will know if there is a coronavirus vaccine on the horizon, hopefully by this winter. even if that is the case, there's more work to be done. once a vaccine is found to be safe and effective, the challenge will be to make enough for everyone. the doctor is also sticking by his initial prediction that a vaccine could take 12 to 18 months to develop , test and get approved. >>> how secure is california's meat supply? coming up, by california may be somewhat insulated from shortages that may devel

i'm the chair of the committee, aaron peskin, joined virtually on microsoft teams by vice-chair supervisor safai and committee member preston. our clerk is ms. erica major. ms. major, do you have any announcements? >> yes, due to the covid-19 health emergency and to protect board members, city employees and the public, the board of supervisors legislative chamber and committee room are closed. however, members will be participating in the meeting remotely at the same extent as if they were physically present. public comment will be available for each item on this agenda, both channel 26 and ff gov.org are streaming the channel across the -- sf gov.org are streaming the channel across screen. you can call 888-204-5984. the access code is 350-1008. then press pound and then press pound again. when you are connected, dial 1 and then 0 to be added to the qu queueu to speak. the system will notify phi you when you are in line and waiting. all callers will remain on constitute mouth until their line is open. everyone must account for the time delay, speaking discrepancies between live coverage a

. >> hello, this is aaron peskin here and so as long i've been on the board of supervisors, all of our street resurfacing projects as opposed to curb ramps have been have been a function of the pavement condition projects? and can you please explain that system to the committee? >> yes, all of these blocks, 269 blocks have been gone through the condition survey and just brief description of what the pci in a pavement condition index. one of the criteria is the pci score. and there are motor routes, 20 bicycle routes and also, we are looking for the project readiness and the companies. that's very crucial and we try fine a synergy on combined projects and look into combining all of that and minimize to the public during construction. >> thank you, mr. collins, for that high level overview. many, many years ago, as our street paving scorer, if you were, was living, we tried to find -- this is in an era when state and federal funding for street repaving was dropping. we tried to set ambitious goals and in those day, supervisor el elsburn and i have found sources of money and there's been

. >> reporter: san francisco's supervisor aaron peskin is urging health officials and the mayor to releasehe same stats in the city. >> i think this will actually build for us reduced fear and there's no reason the government should not be sharing this. >> reporter: if you want to see that santa clara county website, we posted a link in this story on our web page. i also put it out on my twitter time line. just search "nbc ian." in san jose, ian cull, nbc bay area news. >> a lot of people will want to see it for sure. >>> new at 11:00, the country braces for a massive spike in unemployment, more than we have already. facebook says it plans to add 10,000 workers by the end of the year. they're expected to fill positions on product and engineering teams. the company's coo, sheryl sandberg told cnbc that hiring will remain aggressive. >>> overall the job market is much more bleak tonight after staggering unemployment numbers were announced. more than 1 million californians have applied for unemployment benefits within the last two weeks. the labor department says last week alone, more than 87

i'm here with supervisors kathrin stefani and supervisor aaron peskin, as well as the director of the department of public health, dr. grant colfax, department of emergency management mary ellen carroll, department of human resources trent rohrer, as well as police chief bill scott. as of today in san francisco, we have 131 confirmed cases, and we are doing everything we can to provide that update on a regular basis. i'm really proud of the work that the department of public health has been doing to make sure that our hospitals have the capacity and the support that they need to help people who potentially need hospitalization during the coronavirus pandemic. just this past weekend, we were able to hire 82 nurses. since we issued the directive, we were able to move forward rapidly, and so i'm grateful to those who hosted the job fair and worked to make this happen as quickly as possible. we also have an update on our p.p.e., which we hear a lot of conversations about. and i want to be clear, this is a problem all over the country. there have been real challenges for hospitals everywhe

. >> hello, this is aaron peskin here and so as long i've been on the board of supervisors, all of our street resurfacing projects as opposed to curb ramps have been have been a function of the pavement condition projects? and can you please explain that system to the committee? >> yes, all of these blocks, 269 blocks have been gone through the condition survey and just brief description of what the pci in a pavement condition index. one of the criteria is the pci score. and there are motor routes, 20 bicycle routes and also, we are looking for the project readiness and the companies. that's very crucial and we try fine a synergy on combined projects and look into combining all of that and minimize to the public during construction. >> thank you, mr. collins, for that high level overview. many, many years ago, as our street paving scorer, if you were, was living, we tried to find -- this is in an era when state and federal funding for street repaving was dropping. we tried to set ambitious goals and in those day, supervisor el elsburn and i have found sources of money and there's been

there is aaron peskin. maybe this is a question for the transbay joint powers authority, but in item 2 why does the city and county of san francisco need to authorize? why can't the tj pa do its own financing? >> i would be happy to answer that question. this is chief financial officer at jtpa. the resolution is in front of you because we are joint powers authority and all financings have to go in front of the board in which we are doing the construction, the physical construction within or the financing will take place. it is part of state statute for jpa law. we are required to come to the san francisco board of supervisors so the board can find public benefit to the financing. that would be defined as demonstrated savings or economic benefit in terms of job growth. there is another faceto that. that would be so you can find public benefit to the financing for jtpa. >> thank you for that answer. with regard to the $115 million portion of the tax allocation bonds, that references payments of judgment or se

i would like to introduce the supervisor for this community, supervisor aaron peskin. >> hello everybodyam district three supervisor aaron keskin. kespeskin. well to to a community that on the business side and residential side has been impacted long before the rest of the city and county of san francisco, and thank you, mayor breed, and to my seven colleagues for gathering here today because chinatown is indeed suffering. let me also give you doctor colfax's advice which is after today none of us should ever stand so close to one another as we are right now. that was bad material, sorry. to ms. lee and her son here at 150 waverly place who are suffering like many businesses throughout the city and county of san francisco, thank you for making your shop open to all of us. to all of the folks from chinatown, the chinese companies, presiding company, to the chinese chamber of commerce represented here today, and to this community, and i have seen it all before. i have been a member of this board during 911, i was a member of this board during sars, and i was not a member of this board duri

there is aaron peskin. maybe this is a question for the transbay joint powers authority, but in item 2 why does the city and county of san francisco need to authorize? why can't the tj pa do its own financing? >> i would be happy to answer that question. this is chief financial officer at jtpa. the resolution is in front of you because we are joint powers authority and all financings have to go in front of the board in which we are doing the construction, the physical construction within or the financing will take place. it is part of state statute for jpa law. we are required to come to the san francisco board of supervisors so the board can find public benefit to the financing. that would be defined as demonstrated savings or economic benefit in terms of job growth. there is another faceto that. that would be so you can find public benefit to the financing for jtpa. >> thank you for that answer. with regard to the $115 million portion of the tax allocation bonds, that references payments of judgment or se

gordon mar, the chair of this committee, and i'm joined by supervisor matt haney, and supervisor aaron peskin will be joining us shortly, as well as supervisor sandra lee fewer. thank you to this committee's clerk, john carroll, and i'd

. >> reporter: supervisor aaron peskin says had he been consulted he would've pushed for streets on the denser northeast side of the city. >> which includes downtown and union square, chinatown, north beach. that could easily be closed for the fact that we didn't know about this is not really good news. >> the program is expected to expand with time. but a safety net for those walking in writing on the close street, there may be fewer cars, but any vehicles that are still there still have right-of- way. so there is every reason to remain cautious. >>> a significant cooldown coming. and warm up today and it will warm up further this week. >>> then at 10:30 the bay area project trying to help out a musician. the collaboration taking place in the digital space. >>> first, he lost his job, so i started delivering for uber eats, now a thief has made off with his car and livelihood. >> if i got the car back i would start work again. but right now i have nothing to do. i just a home. ♪ this virus is testing all of us. and it's testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. so

thank the golden gate restaurant association, and i also want to thank supervisors ahsha safai and aaron peskin for working with my office oncoming up with something that would be fair and more helpful to our restaurant community. so i also want to take this opportunity to talk about just, again, the importance of staying at home. now, i know, having these conversations here every time there's a press conference, it reminds me of my grandmother and oftentimes because, you know, sometimes i was a difficult kid to discipline, and my grandmother would say to me over and over again, no, you can't have that, no, you can't have that or no, you can't go outside, no, you can't go outside. and i would say please, mama, please can i go outside? and my grandmother would just say no, no, no, for whatever reason. and she had to tell me that over and over again sometimes. and eventually i gave up or she gave up, who knows. but the fact is you're hearing this beating drum from me, from so many other people. we're asking you to stay inside, to stay inside, to stay inside. and i know that it's hard. i know that

i'm the chair of the committee, aaron peskin, joined virtually on microsoft teams by vice-chair supervisor safai and committee member preston. our clerk is ms. erica major. ms. major, do you have any announcements? >> yes, due to the covid-19 health emergency and to protect board members, city employees and the public, the board of supervisors legislative chamber and committee room are closed. however, members will be participating in the meeting remote

supervisor aaron peskin believes 95% of people are social distancing and wants police to remind the 5%ers hope to avoid scenes like this on san francisco's muni. some riders say drivers are demanding 15 feet of space between them and passengers. and that's causing cramped conditions. the head of the transit union says he doesn't know of any and. muni is focusing service on the 20% of its lines that carry 80% of its riders. >>> a glimmer of good news for new york, signs of the curve, in the hard hit state is flattening but other states are warning of an alarping rise in coronavirus cases. trevor alt has the latest. >> the united states reaching a grim milestone over the weekend, the country with the highest death toll from covid-19, more than 550,000 confirmed cases, at least 21,000 americans have died, and new york the epicenter of the pandemic in the country, could be seeing a flattening of the curve. >> the apex isn't just an apex. it is a plateau. it has been flattening, and flattening at a terribly high level. >> other states predicting they're days away from their peak. in massach

there is aaron peskin. maybe this is a question for the transbay joint powers authority, but in item 2 why does the city and county of san francisco need to authorize? why can't the tj pa do its own financing? >> i would be happy to answer that question. this is chief financial officer at jtpa. the resolution is in front of you because we are joint powers authority and all financings have to go in front of the board in which we are doing the construction, the physical construction within or the financing will take place. it is part of state statute for jpa law. we are required to come to the san francisco board of supervisors so the board can find public benefit to the financing. that would be defined as demonstrated savings or economic benefit in terms of job growth. there is another faceto that. that would be so you can find public benefit to the financing for jtpa. >> thank you for that answer. with regard to the $115 million portion of the tax allocation bonds, that references payments of judgment or se

phil reports that aaron peskin and outraged muni would do this during the pandemic.e is threatening a november amendment to strip the agency of its power to raise fares without approval from the board of supervisors. you can read phil's >>> you're never more than seven minutes away from your accuweather forecast. >>> as we welcome the weather window, you can already see today is going to be different than yesterday. sun has been up for about 25 minutes and that's already more than some neighborhoods were able to enjoy yesterday. here's a look at our planner for today. you can see some drier air, lighter breezes and faster sunshine and warmer temperatures away from the coast where we'll be stuck in the 50s. upper 60s to low 70s around the bay and mid to upper 70s inland. we still have record heat down in socal and all-time record temperatures high temperatures are possible today. let's get back to kumasi. >> live look at the new york stock exchange as trading gets under way this morning. we are down about 300 points right now. the markets are reacting to the latest jo

supervisor aaron peskin says fines can reach up to $2,000. >>> number three. union president representing muni bus san ansco says a full muni shut down might be needed to keep passengers and drivers safe. now, a number of riders have reached out to abc7 saying social distancing is near impossible right now on buses. >>> number four. keep an eye on your bank accounts. the federal government began rolling out stimulus payments over the weekend. taxpayers who filed in 2018 and 2019 are among the first to get the money. >>> number five. multiple tornadoes wiping out parts of the deep south. the new death tolls this morning, at least 17 people are dead in mississippi and in georgia. winds and damage knocked out power to nearly half a million people. >>> 54 tornadoes reported yesterday. let's take a look at what is dpo going on back here at home. this morning is cloudy and this afternoon will end up differently. more sunshine and warmth and today is the beginning of a three-day warming trend. >>> and number six. we have clear conditions out there on our roads this m

. >> so, this is aaron peskin speaking. with regard to those categories that would no longer require 311 notification, are you saying perhaps mr. sanchez can also address this, that those are all uses that would be subject to conditional use and to the notice that is required pursuant to conditional use? is that correct? i'm talking about tobacco paraphernalia -- let me just scroll down, nighttime entertainment, private and public community facilities, restaurants and limited restaurants and general entertainment? are all those subject to cu and that's why you are taking them out of section 311 of the code? >> mr. sanchez, can you help answer that question? >> definitely. some of those uses require conditional use authorization while others don't. you would have to speak obviously to the legislative sponsor to determine why they are taking them out or not. but not all of them require cu. >> okay. in so far as the board has over many years taken steps to reduce tobacco use in the community, i think the one i would be most in

so i'm happy to take any questions, and thank you for hearing this item. >> so, this is aaron peskin speaking. with regard to those categories that would no longer require 311 notification, are you saying perhaps mr. sanchez can also address this, that those are all uses that would be subject to conditional use and to the notice that is required pursuant to conditional use? is that correct? i'm talking about tobacco paraphernalia -- let me just scroll down, nighttime entertainment, private and public community facilities, restaurants and limited restaurants and general entertainment? are all those subject to cu and that's why you are taking them out of section 311 of the code? >> mr. sanchez, can you help answer that question? >> definitely. some of those uses require conditional use authorization while others don't. you would have to speak obviously to the legislative sponsor to determine why they are taking them out or not. but not all of them require cu. >> okay. in so far as the board has over many years taken steps to reduce tobacco use in the community, i think the one i would

i am the chair of the committee, supervisor aaron peskin. joined by vice chair supervisor safai and supervisor dean preston. and the clerk is miss erica major. miss major, do you have announcements? >> clerk: yes, please due to the covid-19 health emergency and to protect board members and the city employees and the public, the board of supervisors legislative chamber and committee room are closed. however, members will be participating in the meeting remotely. and precaution is taken pursuant to the state-wide stay at home order and all preceding and proceeding local, state and federal orders, declarations and orders. members will be by teleconference or telephone if the video fails and participate in the meetings to the extent as if they were physically present. public comment is available on each item of this agenda. channel 26 and sfgovtv.org are streaming the number at the top of the screen. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. comments or opportunities to use -- to speak during the comment period are available via phone c

gordon mar, the chair of this committee, and i'm joined by supervisor matt haney, and supervisor aaron peskin will be joining us shortly, as well as supervisor sandra lee fewer. thank you to this committee's clerk, john carroll, and i'd like to thank sfgovtv. mr. clerk, do you have any announcements? >> clerk: yes. please silence your cell phones and electronic devices. completed speaker cards and copies of any documents should be provided to the clerk. items acted on today will appear on the march 10 board of supervisors agenda. [agenda item read]. >> chair mar: supervisor fewer, thank you for joining us this morning as the sponsor of this hearing. the floor is yours. >> supervisor fewer: thank you, committee. i call this hearing today after discussions with ifpte local 21 because i am concerned about the use of civil service exclusions and the impact it has on our civil service industry. i realize that discussions have been ongoing between the department of public health and local 21 regarding a process of conversion for these positions since the last hearing that we called on this issue in

i am the chair of the committee, supervisor aaron peskin. joined by vice chair supervisor safai and supervisor dean preston. and the clerk is miss erica major. miss major, do you have announcements? >> clerk: yes, please due to the covid-19 health emergency and to protect board members and the city employees and the public, the board of supervisors legislative chamber and committee room are closed. however, members will be participating in the meeting remotely. and precaution is taken pursuant to the state-wide stay at home order and all preceding and proceeding local, state and federal orders, declarations and orders. members will be by teleconference or telephone if the video fails and participate in the meetings to the extent as if they were physically present. public comment is available on each item of this agenda. channel 26 and sfgovtv.org are streaming the number at the top of the screen. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. comments or opportunities to use -- to speak during the comment period are available via phone c

president, this is aaron peskin, i'm too old to figure out how to use this thing, about but i want to say that i would like to thank chair mar and the gao committee for forwarding this to the full board. i do want to note that during the coronavirus period that this was ashamed city and county of san francisco and i'm delighted that we're settling this case. and i hope that we never in this town ever again suppress the rights of the free press. >> ok. no other comments and then madam clerk, please call the role. (role call). >> on item 11 -- (role call). >> there are 11 ayes. >> without objection, this is adopted unanimously. madam clerk, please go to item number 12. >> item 12 was considered by the rule's committee at a special meeting on monday, march 30th, and was forwarded as a committee report. it's and ordinance to amend the administrative code to establish the american indian cultural district in the mission district. >> supervisor ye, this is supervisor pressson an preston d like to be added as a cosponsor. >> i know that supervisor peskin is having a hard time noting to speak

president, this is aaron peskin, i'm too old to figure out how to use this thing, about but i want to say that i would like to thank chair mar and the gao committee for forwarding this to the full board. i do want to note that during the coronavirus period that this was ashamed city and county of san francisco and i'm delighted that we're settling this case. and i hope that we never in this town ever again suppress the rights of the free press. >> ok. no other comments and then madam clerk, please call the role. (role call). >> on item 11 -- (role call). >> there are 11 ayes. >> without objection, this is adopted unanimously. madam clerk, please go to item number 12. >> item 12 was considered by the rule's committee at a special meeting on monday, march 30th, and was forwarded as a committee report. it's and ordinance to amend the administrative code to establish the american indian cultural district in the mission district. >> supervisor ye, this is supervisor pressson an preston d like to be added as a cosponsor. >> i know that supervisor peskin is having a hard time noting to speak

i would like to introduce the supervisor for this community, supervisor aaron peskin. >> hello everybodyi am district three supervisor aaron keskin. kespeskin. well to to a community that on the business side and residential side has been impacted long before the rest of the city and county of san francisco, and thank you, mayor breed, and to my seven colleagues for gathering here today because chinatown is indeed suffering. let me also give you doctor colfax's advice which is after today none of us should ever stand so close to one another as we are right now. that was bad material, sorry. to ms. lee and her son here at 150 waverly place who are suffering like many businesses throughout the city and county of san francisco, thank you for making your shop open to all of us. to all of the folks from chinatown, the chinese companies, presiding company, to the chinese chamber of commerce represented here today, and to this community, and i have seen it all before. i have been a member of this board during 911, i was a member of this board during sars, and i was not a member of this board du

i would like to introduce the supervisor for this community, supervisor aaron peskin. >> hello everybody. i am district three supervisor aaron keskin. kespeskin. well to to a community that on the business side and residential side has been impacted long before the rest of the city and county of san francisco, and thank you, mayor breed, and to my seven colleagues for gathering here today because chinatown is indeed suffering. let me also give you doctor colfax's advice which is after today none of us should ever stand so close to one another as we are right now. that was bad material, sorry. to ms. lee and her son here at 150 waverly place who are suffering like many businesses throughout the city and county of san francisco, thank you for making your shop open to all of us. to all of the folks from chinatown, the chinese companies, presiding company, to the chinese chamber of commerce represented here today, and to this community, and i have seen it all before. i have been a member of this board during 911, i was a member of this board during sars, and i was not a member of this board

thank the golden gate restaurant association, and i also want to thank supervisors ahsha safai and aaron peskin for working with my office oncoming up with something that would be fair and more helpful to our restaurant community. so i also want to take this opportunity to talk about just, again, the importance of staying at home. now, i know, having these conversations here every time there's a press conference, it reminds me of my grandmother and oftentimes because, you know, sometimes i was a difficult kid to discipline, and my grandmother would say to me over and over again, no, you can't have that, no, you can't have that or no, you can't go outside, no, you can't go outside. and i would say please, mama, please can i go outside? and my grandmother would just say no, no, no, for whatever reason. and she had to tell me that over and over again sometimes. and eventually i gave up or she gave up, who knows. but the fact is you're hearing this beating drum from me, from so many other people. we're asking you to stay inside, to stay inside, to stay inside. and i know that it's hard. i know that