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if unknown often times, dpw will go and an abate it because they want to make sure it's abated in a timely manner. supervisor scott weiner: when dpw an abates the graffiti is it billed to the owner? >> currently for the other utilities i don't know. for at&t we did look into that. we are developing a process now where we do invoice. the reason why we have not done that is with specific guidelines at&t does have a special coding on boxes and they have special requirements for dpw to mitigate the graffiti. because of that 48-hour turn around, dpw is going to paint it and we couldn't implement that invoice ing of that nature. supervisor scott weiner: in your experience so far has at&t been an abating within 48 hours? >> i would say that at&t is being challenged and the constituents would very much say that at&t is not abating graffiti within the time that it's expected. i have heard multiple multiple objections where it takes months and sometimes not at all and many times i hear how dpw have to go out and an abate it. >> if you hear that it's taken months, what happens next? >> what we first
if unknown often times, dpw will go and an abate it because they want to make sure it's abated in a timely manner. supervisor scott weiner: when dpw an abates the graffiti is it billed to the owner? >> currently for the other utilities i don't know. for at&t we did look into that. we are developing a process now where we do invoice. the reason why we have not done that is with specific guidelines at&t does have a special coding on boxes and they have special requirements for dpw...
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at the end of the hearing they do go and abate it and make sure the sticker is. that's after the fact that these object ors. supervisor scott weiner: it shouldn't take a hearing. it should be automatic. what i would say, i'm glad to hear that so dpw is working with at&t. it seems to me which is the goal to get the graffiti off quickly. so if dpw then understanding that there are certain needs of these boxes in terms of the way it's removed; is dpw learning to do this? >> certainly. we are understanding what kind of cleaners are allowed to be placed on the cabinets so the paint is not compromised. supervisor scott weiner: how does it work? don't they leave a deposit? speaker: yes. they have a $23,000 bond with at&t and we'll probably invoice them similar to the way we invoice permits. >> it's drawn on the account? >> yes. supervisor scott weiner: okay. in the end for members of the public, it doesn't matter who is removing it as long as it's being removed. a question and then i will turn it over to supervisor kim. what is the permit, we get loose -- a lot of quest
at the end of the hearing they do go and abate it and make sure the sticker is. that's after the fact that these object ors. supervisor scott weiner: it shouldn't take a hearing. it should be automatic. what i would say, i'm glad to hear that so dpw is working with at&t. it seems to me which is the goal to get the graffiti off quickly. so if dpw then understanding that there are certain needs of these boxes in terms of the way it's removed; is dpw learning to do this? >> certainly. we...
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all the utility boxes in public right-of-way we abate. >> we abate calls that come within 48 hours. >> we are a small group in g f graffiti. we don't have enough help. >> i have a group in town down and china town and the north tunnel. [inaudible] the graffiti we abate everything is coming up to the areas now. >> i'm willing to take it on. i think -- >> you are telling me you are ready for this? >> i think so. >> okay. >> there you go. >> all right. >> all right. >> ready to do it. let's go. >> want to get the gray signses this over here and the garbage can and normally we don't do private property since it's on the corridor route you can come with me we will use black. >> we had a lot of changes in the graffiti unit. we do private property if someone moved we remove it and send it to the attorney's office and they take appropriate action. >> damage their property there. it's important to write the color in case they want to say what part of our house you abated the graffiti on. >> using your safety glasses the gloves. >> you got it. >> you know some places we gashi, people appreciate
all the utility boxes in public right-of-way we abate. >> we abate calls that come within 48 hours. >> we are a small group in g f graffiti. we don't have enough help. >> i have a group in town down and china town and the north tunnel. [inaudible] the graffiti we abate everything is coming up to the areas now. >> i'm willing to take it on. i think -- >> you are telling me you are ready for this? >> i think so. >> okay. >> there you go. >>...
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that without geoengineering we will get abatement. but with geoengineering we don't your. [inaudible] so i'm wondering in what kind of area do we -- [inaudible] but then the political will disappears just because we did a bit of geoengineering? could you clarify a bit on what are the conditions under which geoengineering is significant enough -- provided we have political will to do some abatement? >> just say that again. >> so what he was using is your concern is that geoengineering -- abatement. but to get to abatement in the first place, the world has to change a lot. do you believe the steps -- [inaudible] >> well, if one is deeply skeptical as i am about geoengineering, in particular the kind you engineering so we can do about today there are other benign forms of geoengineering we haven't really talked about, although there is the discussion of carbon capture. people like me who are deeply skeptical, in a way it is an obligation on us to pursue more vigorously plan a. and that's what i do, you know, among other things, to try to
that without geoengineering we will get abatement. but with geoengineering we don't your. [inaudible] so i'm wondering in what kind of area do we -- [inaudible] but then the political will disappears just because we did a bit of geoengineering? could you clarify a bit on what are the conditions under which geoengineering is significant enough -- provided we have political will to do some abatement? >> just say that again. >> so what he was using is your concern is that...
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play where the roll you may be take as the san francisco building inspection can come back to the abatement appeal board for enforcement type of acts is that trigger that process. i urge, you know, caution in that regard because you don't want to do anything as this san francisco building inspection that my undermine the abatement appeal board if a project comes before you >> commissioner walker i'd be interested in hearing hearing our comments. >> yes. it's a fine line but of most importance there are several investigations going on and until those are complete and we have the reports before us it's inappropriate for us to to do anything other than taking any public comment? i want to know that the property is safe. there's the issue of the permitting etc., but this was a building that fell so i guess we may want to know with things are secure on that property there's not going to be anymore - >> if i may there is any public comment? here let's take that and circle back on this issue. is there any other commissioners. commissioner mar >> i know the department, you know, is working very har
play where the roll you may be take as the san francisco building inspection can come back to the abatement appeal board for enforcement type of acts is that trigger that process. i urge, you know, caution in that regard because you don't want to do anything as this san francisco building inspection that my undermine the abatement appeal board if a project comes before you >> commissioner walker i'd be interested in hearing hearing our comments. >> yes. it's a fine line but of most...
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when we get it, i'm very happy are the track record of abating graffiti. supervisor jane kim: my fault to that is we even heard already with the hearing today it can take two months to clean up the graffiti. i'm curious what the obstacles were? >> i know anecdotally people have come to a hearing and said that, but i don't know that it has taken two months to clean up. if someone would share that, i don't know that to be true. supervisor jane kim: for the ones that do get regularly tagged, i think it would be a good idea to put it on routine maintenance because it helps save a lot of the energy with the constituents that are frustrated with that process. if you already know there is a track record on that. my last question was regarding when dpw does disapprove a permit. i'm curious to what your thinking was in appealing those decisions. i know the relationship with the city is just as important and for us we wanted at least some level of oversight around the process. of course the boxes are going through and they are in boxes that are really important i th
when we get it, i'm very happy are the track record of abating graffiti. supervisor jane kim: my fault to that is we even heard already with the hearing today it can take two months to clean up the graffiti. i'm curious what the obstacles were? >> i know anecdotally people have come to a hearing and said that, but i don't know that it has taken two months to clean up. if someone would share that, i don't know that to be true. supervisor jane kim: for the ones that do get regularly tagged,...
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or the lack of abatement in a timely manner. the next page, there is more graffiti. more graffiti. here is another one ballard's place. the foot print shown on the notice. it's on the cabinet. it extends out to 11 feet. it can block an entire car. cabinets can create a wall especially if there is other street furniture. supervisor scott weiner: supervisor cohen? supervisor malia cohen: what's the purpose of the ballard? >> to protect it if it were to jump the curb and just in general to protect it. there is sensitive electronic equipment inside. supervisor malia cohen: i don't know the difference between the cabinets? >> all these cabinets are at&t cabinets. >> do they usually put ballards around them? >> the new ones. another consistent concern is trash and blight. we are not sure why people tend to place their trash on cabinets but that's a real persistent issue. finally it looks well but i think there has been a lot of concern about the at&t technicians for thing forgetting to clean up after themselves. it's already difficult to property owners to see the technicians leave. >> w
or the lack of abatement in a timely manner. the next page, there is more graffiti. more graffiti. here is another one ballard's place. the foot print shown on the notice. it's on the cabinet. it extends out to 11 feet. it can block an entire car. cabinets can create a wall especially if there is other street furniture. supervisor scott weiner: supervisor cohen? supervisor malia cohen: what's the purpose of the ballard? >> to protect it if it were to jump the curb and just in general to...
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if i went to prisoner you may quality for a correspondent certified document saying you're a lay abating are. you had should be aware for some state jobs state agencies are allotted to consider our criminal history. those jobs are private security jobs health care workers and other careers involving the children the i can sick or elder. it will benefit you human resources here's some of the things clean slate can't do it doesn't prevent an old conviction to there the sense of a new criminal action. the court might connotes more sentences even if it been submit you can't own or polgs possess a firearm. if it bars you from carrying an firearm eclipsing our record won't change that. submittal doesn't rove a sex ejection. if you're required to register as a sex offender that process will continue even if your record has been cleared, however, other forms of royalties maybe eligible. we look forward to helping you move forward with your life ♪ ♪ so, now you know a little bit more about the program we encourage you to apply go the sf purifyi purifying.org or stop by any place for our clean sla
if i went to prisoner you may quality for a correspondent certified document saying you're a lay abating are. you had should be aware for some state jobs state agencies are allotted to consider our criminal history. those jobs are private security jobs health care workers and other careers involving the children the i can sick or elder. it will benefit you human resources here's some of the things clean slate can't do it doesn't prevent an old conviction to there the sense of a new criminal...
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in fact, the guard rails are required for the owners to comply with the order order of abatement. the rooftop work would not be visible from the public street and not effect public views. the planning department properly determined that the rooftop planning area isn't part of the historic go character of the this and would fully comply with the stadiums for rules and regulations. we've heard the requesters have raised a lot of building code violations, however, those items were investigated by building department. there are really no allegations before the commission that the planning department record in which the certificate of appropriateness was appropriate or that the work being proposed would have an impact on the historic part of the district. so we ask you deny this project to have it move forward >> mullin your testimony takes the playing place. we'll move to any public comment? (calling names) thank you >> good afternoon. my name is monica i'm the owner on 202 union street for a year and a half i live there with my husband and two this boys. by the way, i love the distri
in fact, the guard rails are required for the owners to comply with the order order of abatement. the rooftop work would not be visible from the public street and not effect public views. the planning department properly determined that the rooftop planning area isn't part of the historic go character of the this and would fully comply with the stadiums for rules and regulations. we've heard the requesters have raised a lot of building code violations, however, those items were investigated by...
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the abatements were 34 and second notice of violations refer to code enforcement 17. for the housing inspections performed there was 8 hundred plus and complaints was that hundred and 92 and complaint response was that hundred and 60. compliments a with notice of violation issued were you nine hundred and 60. number of cases sent to directors sent on the 26 and the code enforcement sent to the directors hearing was that 6 and number of abatements issued were 11. number of kinds under awe investment were 6 >> thank you deputy. questions >> any public comment on 4a through e? okay. seeing none the discussion felt bs'ing for 2014, 15 and 2015 and 16 arrest >> we're requesting a budget over 233 hundred and 70 thousand so starting with our revenue. our revenue is running about 21 percent higher than our current year's budget. the city is now doing a two year budget so what we're doing to making modifications to the budget for the following years. a lot of the numbers are changed from what was approved. we're doing a study with good practices and we also are - the depraved
the abatements were 34 and second notice of violations refer to code enforcement 17. for the housing inspections performed there was 8 hundred plus and complaints was that hundred and 92 and complaint response was that hundred and 60. compliments a with notice of violation issued were you nine hundred and 60. number of cases sent to directors sent on the 26 and the code enforcement sent to the directors hearing was that 6 and number of abatements issued were 11. number of kinds under awe...
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force for we have to remember we are not painters we abate graffiti. we are abaters not painters. get that out of the way and keep moving. >> how many of these do you do a day? how many poles we do a day? >> yeah. >> depends on the location. may be 20. >> do you like working with the team? >> yes because i'm a people person. i like being outside and interacting with the public and i like the response we get especially from the good job we do in the community. >> goodbye. >> hello, everyone and welcome back to the finance committee. let's see here. to my left, far left is katie tang and she is the vice chair and commissioner david chiu, are you? we are off to a rough start already. my notes. >> okay, well you guys know who everyone is, let's just go ahead and get started. i would like to take a moment and thank jessy larson and charles for broadcasting today's meeting, madam clerk are there any announcements? >> no naounsments. >> great. could you call item one? >> items two and three, for the consent calendar. and these items are considered routine, and the staff are not planing t
force for we have to remember we are not painters we abate graffiti. we are abaters not painters. get that out of the way and keep moving. >> how many of these do you do a day? how many poles we do a day? >> yeah. >> depends on the location. may be 20. >> do you like working with the team? >> yes because i'm a people person. i like being outside and interacting with the public and i like the response we get especially from the good job we do in the community....
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does through svu and a lot has to do with work and maage parlor inspection and prostitution, and abatement, and any sort of unfair laborer, and any mode of human trafficking svu does it. and it is usually on some sort of an over time basis. >> and is it also to fund, when personal interest is the continuum care and does it also help with providing the survivor with service and connecting them to the services. >> yes, we have the advocates embedded in the unit and i myriad of resource and i wish that i had the presentation that i just did at the human trafficking awareness kick off. and i am happy to send it to you. >> okay, thank you. >> that would be helpful. >> and commissioner loftus? >> my own question is that i know that i am supportive of this and i know that we had a retroactive one last year for the two years previous and i was wondering if there was anything, if it is sort of happens this way or after the fact we have to accept it? >> if there is an issue that we have identified. >> i know that a lot of the grant funding lags and so we actually accept the grants from the prior yea
does through svu and a lot has to do with work and maage parlor inspection and prostitution, and abatement, and any sort of unfair laborer, and any mode of human trafficking svu does it. and it is usually on some sort of an over time basis. >> and is it also to fund, when personal interest is the continuum care and does it also help with providing the survivor with service and connecting them to the services. >> yes, we have the advocates embedded in the unit and i myriad of...
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is the crisis abating to the point you can see growth? >> i think if you look at europe now compared to europe in 2012, there has been a huge amount of progress. we don't have to worry from day- to-day about a half dozen countries. but they are not completely out of the woods. they are looking at having turned the corner from minus to neutral or small positive. there is inconsistency as fragmentation in the financial markets, there is different rates of potential growth in different countries. our message in europe has been that you need to do what you can do to get overall growth in europe to a higher level understanding that not every country has an e equal capacity. there are surplus countries that have the capacity to invest more and create more domestic demand that. would be good for europe's economy and the global economy. let me put some pieces into perspective. this is how i think about the global economic recovery. we are now in a growth place that many in the world envy. we're in the 2's. people are talking about can we hit thre
is the crisis abating to the point you can see growth? >> i think if you look at europe now compared to europe in 2012, there has been a huge amount of progress. we don't have to worry from day- to-day about a half dozen countries. but they are not completely out of the woods. they are looking at having turned the corner from minus to neutral or small positive. there is inconsistency as fragmentation in the financial markets, there is different rates of potential growth in different...
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building inspections issuing 3 notices of violation may 3rd, 2005, and june 2005 along with 234ish9 abatement proceedings. the footing was under pinned in july 2005. litigation was initiated and settlement and mitigation was done. it was agreed that the gentleman would perpetrates his construction drawings before filing for building permits. the medium chemical grouting and patching and >> prayer by the chaplain. >> of the walls were performed. since 2005 i have spent concluding construction, professional and legal expense over 2 hundred thousand because of his wrongdoings. the 25 story 19th avenue lot was 1r5k9d until july 10, 2013, and july 10th i noticed mr. you started to put up a pole for pg&e to connect to the electric meter for construction. i asked him did you get the permit he said, yes. so i came here to the department to file on appeal but i was too late. so that i went to mr. sweeney i didn't the head of the department then and he suggested to me to file the jurisdiction request. so all we want is for me and my engineer to be able to review the construction drawings so my house wi
building inspections issuing 3 notices of violation may 3rd, 2005, and june 2005 along with 234ish9 abatement proceedings. the footing was under pinned in july 2005. litigation was initiated and settlement and mitigation was done. it was agreed that the gentleman would perpetrates his construction drawings before filing for building permits. the medium chemical grouting and patching and >> prayer by the chaplain. >> of the walls were performed. since 2005 i have spent concluding...
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311 app to record the graffiti on the 3 boxes on my street on third and the turn around for the abatement is very good and the following week i have to report it again because it's painted again. why don't we take the on us off and paint it every week. supervisor scott weiner: thank you. let me call the next batch. >>> thank you for the opportunity. i have a word called deception. it's a location at 17th street at the upper market area. there is already an existing box. in that panel i got a note for installation on another box. strangely enough, the photo did not show that box just a few feet away. that box is already there and they want to put one in and they showed it over here without that box included in the picture. if that isn't deception; it may not be a mortal sin but it looks like deception to me. i hope you will somehow over turn or correct this by not allowing these boxes. thank you very much. >> hi. my name is steve walker. there is a box near me about 100 feet away. i'm not here because of this particular box but to ask my supervisor's presence to hold off on the proceeding.
311 app to record the graffiti on the 3 boxes on my street on third and the turn around for the abatement is very good and the following week i have to report it again because it's painted again. why don't we take the on us off and paint it every week. supervisor scott weiner: thank you. let me call the next batch. >>> thank you for the opportunity. i have a word called deception. it's a location at 17th street at the upper market area. there is already an existing box. in that panel i...
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reiskin will go into but respecting the minnesota lines and a making sure that certain rules their abated but for the commuter shuttle so that they're not in the way of our muni lines and also causing any further congestion or shock to the emergency e 1906. we wanted to signal an agreement on a approach that has a set of rules and has signage to let people know they're there and also a set of rules that suggest their b be there in a times and places where they'll respect the other modes of transportation that we want to have in the city. we think that with this coordinated approach we'll receive better data for our sfmta to consider for
reiskin will go into but respecting the minnesota lines and a making sure that certain rules their abated but for the commuter shuttle so that they're not in the way of our muni lines and also causing any further congestion or shock to the emergency e 1906. we wanted to signal an agreement on a approach that has a set of rules and has signage to let people know they're there and also a set of rules that suggest their b be there in a times and places where they'll respect the other modes of...
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reiskin will go into but respecting the minnesota lines and a making sure that certain rules their abated but for the commuter shuttle so that they're not in the way of our muni lines and also causing any further congestion or shock to the emergency e 1906. we wanted to signal an agreement on a approach that has a set of rules and has signage to let people know they're there and also a set of rules that suggest their b be there in a times and places where they'll respect the other modes of transportation that we want to have in the city. we think that with this coordinated approach we'll receive better data for our sfmta to consider for future improvements and have a ground function to talk with the commuter shuttle services and we'll have some good data to share with our companies with the practices of the employees and where the best pickup times and how they'll add value to a more efficient and safe transportation system. this is the purpose of today's announcement. as to begin this coordination but to get a cost recovery open that with the agreement but to signal we want to do that we
reiskin will go into but respecting the minnesota lines and a making sure that certain rules their abated but for the commuter shuttle so that they're not in the way of our muni lines and also causing any further congestion or shock to the emergency e 1906. we wanted to signal an agreement on a approach that has a set of rules and has signage to let people know they're there and also a set of rules that suggest their b be there in a times and places where they'll respect the other modes of...
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ead business paints were abated. aar and new was repaired paint installed. n addition we cleaned and conserve and repainted the stone walls tpeufrpfinch and this ring of masonry that is is the et thick that foundation for the iron work that extends above. brackets, we only see eight feet of them now. an additional seven feet embedded in the masonry work and that acts as a huge supports the t weight of the tkoefpl and transfers it -- dome and evenly on to the stone walls below. here you get a good sense for cantilever beyond of the bull walls alternating d how columns are used for drainage provide nd others just passive ventilation. on my right, your left, you see some en it was installed of the chimneys of the capitol were captured within that used the hollow columns as a way to get that -- smoke ust out exhaust out. i have seen a couple of hotographs where he had the smoke billowing out at the oilerplate level and it is the chimney smoke that is coming out. ou can begin to really appreciate the beauty of the rotunda and the accomplishment adding this additi
ead business paints were abated. aar and new was repaired paint installed. n addition we cleaned and conserve and repainted the stone walls tpeufrpfinch and this ring of masonry that is is the et thick that foundation for the iron work that extends above. brackets, we only see eight feet of them now. an additional seven feet embedded in the masonry work and that acts as a huge supports the t weight of the tkoefpl and transfers it -- dome and evenly on to the stone walls below. here you get a...
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lead-based paints were abated. iron work was repaired and new paint installed. in addition to that, we cleaned and conserved and repainted the original bullfinch stone walls and this ring of masonry that is seven feet thick that is the foundation for the iron work that extends above. so, these brackets, we only see eight feet of them now. there is an additional seven feet embedded in the masonry work and that acts as a huge foundation that supports the weight of the dome and transfers it evenly on to the stone walls below. here you get a good sense for the bracket cantilever beyond the old stone walls of the bullfinch drum and how alternating columns are used for drainage columns and others just provide passive ventilation. you will see here on my right, your left, you see how when it was installed some of the chimneys of the capitol were captured within that footprint and he used the hollow columns as a way to get that smoke exhaust out. i have seen a couple of photographs where he had the smoke billowing out at the ballot stride at the -- at the balustrade at
lead-based paints were abated. iron work was repaired and new paint installed. in addition to that, we cleaned and conserved and repainted the original bullfinch stone walls and this ring of masonry that is seven feet thick that is the foundation for the iron work that extends above. so, these brackets, we only see eight feet of them now. there is an additional seven feet embedded in the masonry work and that acts as a huge foundation that supports the weight of the dome and transfers it evenly...
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is the crisis abating to the oint you can see growth? organically?>> i think if you look at europe now compared to europe in 2012, there has been a huge amount of progress. we don't have to worry from day-to-day about a half dozen countries. but they are not completely out of the woods. they are looking at having turned the corner from minus to neutral or small positive. there is inconsistency as fragmentation in the financial markets, there is different rates of potential growth in different countries. our message in europe has been that you need to do what you can do to get overall growth in europe to a higher level understanding that not every country has an e equal capacity. there are surplus countries that have the capacity to invest more and create more domestic demand that. would be good for europe's economy and the global economy. let me put some pieces into perspective. this is how i think about the global economic recovery. we are now in a growth place that many in the world envy. we're in the 2's. people are talking about can we hit three.
is the crisis abating to the oint you can see growth? organically?>> i think if you look at europe now compared to europe in 2012, there has been a huge amount of progress. we don't have to worry from day-to-day about a half dozen countries. but they are not completely out of the woods. they are looking at having turned the corner from minus to neutral or small positive. there is inconsistency as fragmentation in the financial markets, there is different rates of potential growth in...
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the crucial thing was to abate what the teacher said he's go. on and do the people who believe that. or society as we know is coming to some kind of end. the size as we now know it whether we believe it or not that ship that can carry on the way it does now. they said there will be a great flood and i wouldn't be able to return. the shame to say it now i believed it but i was confused by what they said it was you can take any aspect of human life and society and it doesn't matter what you look at you can clearly see that the process of destruction is on the way. i had to save my grandchildren well they would die that's what made me tell my daughter come here come here i used the exact words. had said to me. you know i thought it was pretty interesting the fact that so many people had made the effort to move out from the lips i mean you know it's going to be quite a hard thing to do. i don't know maybe i want to know how come science fact i want to say why do so many people believe it. tom. if you want to ask the teacher anything. i mean you can
the crucial thing was to abate what the teacher said he's go. on and do the people who believe that. or society as we know is coming to some kind of end. the size as we now know it whether we believe it or not that ship that can carry on the way it does now. they said there will be a great flood and i wouldn't be able to return. the shame to say it now i believed it but i was confused by what they said it was you can take any aspect of human life and society and it doesn't matter what you look...