we've voted on the order of abatement. >> roll call vote. >> commissioner clinch commissioner melgar i'm sorry you- i want to include you for this. >> commissioner mccarthy pr commissioner mondejar commissioner mccray commissioner walker motion carries unanimously. >> i'd like to acknowledge that commissioner melgar has joined us. >> i'll go to item f commissioner clinch would you like me to go to item f new appeals and order of abatement rhode island street owner of record christine and action requested by appellant appellant requests the ab reverse the fees or modify the order of abatement for 5 slash 32 rhode island good morning first of all i'd like to say i'm happen. >> oh, we'll hear from the department first. >> sorry about that. >> i've not been here before. >> no problem for everyone in the audience i apologize the order is to have the department speak for their you have 7 minutes and the appellant court has 7 minutes and each of side minutes for renewal. >> the item on 530 thank you very much. >> you're welcome 530 rhode island street to the owner of the building violation

hold you know the abatement of the building. >> okay. let's talk about it. >> what - >> what are the options here i need to hear from the city attorney and as of right now the order of abatement will be held in abeyance so you'll continue to hold it if awe abstinence or order it be issued. >> any comments from the commissioners commissioner walker. >> yeah. i understand that there is frustration with this process at the planning department but this is not what we're dealing with we're deal with an abatement on this property i'm getting mixed messages about the interest in doing it if they've submitted enough to do a residential and if we generally don't hold things indefinite in this limbo i'd like to very specific with what we do this time i don't know what it is yet i want to here from other commissioners. >> commissioner mar i'm synonym pacific but what the request is realistic i agree with commissioner walker i don't want to hold something in and i abstinence that is the case if you ask for something in planning that is impossible. >

are ready to pull proprieties i wasn't certain this situation we can call permits even though the abatement appeals board is where us role the question the co-owners that is one property we have one hoa and she went to her hearing she was told that we should only be sooitd kooitd sited once we're wanting to understand why we pay two abatement foes we don't dispute it but how much 0 should we pay i'm assume there should be some ordinance or i don't know the right word it is common in the city two condos on the same property one property is one fine or is it two fines? so that's what i'd like to get clear originally my concern was there reason inspections made is it wasn't done correctly which the inspectors have note when i have my hearing so i was sited first on one date then karen at 531 kansas was sited on a different date why was i the only one showing up at the inspections hearing then the site was on 432 we're happy to do this to get the thing fixed we asked the city to come out because they were not welcoming the owners to work with us happy to pay what's the right and fair thing to d

2012 and then they appealed it before you in march and you upheld the order ever abatement on second street we had a similar situation we'll hope you'll you would this one for the property owners and they're in a position to work together to resolve this inside problem. >> commissioner walker. >> do you went we upheld the order of abatement and give them some time do you recall the framework. >> do you know what assumption with that property and other properties to come to a solution and help all of them. >> okay. >> is there no other commissioner questions we'll go into department rebuttal. >> no rebuttal just to say that we want to be fair to all so they all get an order of abatement and all work together. >> commissioner mar. >> the question i had for the department is it i guess this appeal might be a little bit similar to the last one they felt this was not clear when the directors hearing was so the problem was because we had scheduled it there was a little bit mix up on the dates we'll reschedule it i don't know how that was handed so i'm not clear about whether you know- i un

we've seen it before to be reminded the situation is it so the case where we uphold the order of abatement on the other two parties involved that was just the remainder. >> so if there's another question. >> i'm uncomfortable answering all those questions without the appellant having their opportunity. >> we'll hear from them thank you. >> okay my turn are you done. >> go ahead. >> okay thanks and thank you actually because you asked questions that are important and let me see what i can clarify i have my ipod. >> your name and christine. >> which property. >> i live in 4 thirty rhode island and my upstairs neighbor has not going to be here today, i have her information she's 432 and karen hardy is our neighbor in back at 431 we know about the wall excuse me. >> kansas sorry we have surveys done the wall that is there you can call it a we'll spans the property we've come to an agreement how to pay for it we have a final draft of final design and actually are ready to pull proprieties i wasn't certain this situation we can call permits even though the abatement appeals board is where us rol

commissioner walker >> i would like to make to motion to uphold the order of abatement and reduce fees. >> either i mean, that's debatable if it's been paid it's been paid so eliminate fees on this one. >> thank you not to cut you off but i would echo what you said uphold the order of abatement but no assess fees for 530 rhode island arrest commissioner. >> a question of clarification so if we uphold the order of abatement that forces the owner to this particular owner to comply; right? and let me amend it to give them 60 days to get the work scheduled and get the kr57k9d work done. >> uh-huh to me it seems unfair if it is water under the bridge that the property owner paid then gets to bear the full costs there's nothing we can do we can't force this pertaining to shire the costs of the guy that already paid. >> which is her partner. >> no, no. >> this is where i said it is a civil matter between - >> got it. >> can i just clarify it are we talking about karen hardy. >> she didn't pay. >> mined. >> she didn't pay. >> we're a little bit confused nullify of the condo owners paid it was

. >> what do you mean about the abatement. >> what's that. >> what do you mean about reverseably the abatements. >> there's no fees. >> we should go ahead and say reverse it back that is not part of the motion but the department will get into contact with the appellant for a director's hearing via e-mail and a request for ab jurisdiction and appeal case number the appellant requested that the ab over an appeal of directors order that appeal was filed after the 15 day appeal by the code extraordinary the ab may consider possible action to grant jurisdiction pursuant to the administrative code the department? >> for jurisdiction does the appellant go first. >> you want to clarify that. >> again, this is another matter that is a procedural issue because of the procedural jurisdiction so the appellant should go first and set forth why the board should exercise its jurisdiction even though it was filed outside the 15 day work order. >> good morning reuben, junius & rose here on behalf of the project sponsor appellant. >> the reason obviously the reason why we're here requesting jurisdicti

carries unanimously i'd like to make a brief announcement we're still curling having your appeals abatement so there will be a bit of a delay green before the board of appeals starts. >> we're on the next case on delores street the appellant and record important baker and action by appellant seeks an order of abatement or an opportunity for a rehearing on the ground he doesn't receive notice of the hearing and therefore is not here the department will go first and then the appellant. >> the address 2 delores street that is two family twelz the violation on delores street created an unsafe condition of this property no violations were filed and the order of abatement was issued on june 17th of last year therefore staff recommends i uphold the order of abatement and uphold the cost. >> for the ongoing construction was inu unpermitted. >> with permit and that permit has been sent off. >> explain to me this. >> tln explain how a permitted construction then causes on unsafe structure can you walk me through it. >> during the process of that construction this year's some unsafe activities in the

duffy, what he read about the lead abatement from mr. yee, he read one notice but didn't read the second notice. he may find it before we close up here tonight, but there is a second notice and dennis yee was out there and photographed all the notices and their proper presence wherever they were supposed to be, adjacent buildings, i mean i was there myself, i might even be in a picture. actually he had me point to one, actually. so i'm sure we're going to find the other nov that will cancel out the one that he read to you tonight. >> thank you. anything further? >> we would just like you to uphold these permits. i will be seeing you next week on the rehearing and it's again with mr. bruno, but i do think at some point in time my client simply wants to effectuate the renovation of the building. thanks. >> mr. duffy. >> commissioners, just to the gentleman who just spoke, if it's an important enough document that he thinks it's important, he should have brought it with him to this hearing. you know, if he's got a notice that's got somethin

. >> have these been abated? >> i have not, well, i don't think anybody has been done, i don't think, until you guys come to a conclusion on the permits because nobody's going out there to inspect anything. >> so there's no work being done? >> no, ma'am. the last day we worked out there i believe was february 25th and i think that may have been even the same day that we were out there with mr. yee, i'm not sure, i don't know if mr. duffy has the paperwork, but when dennis yee signed off the complaint on the lead abatement that everything is complied there was no evidence -- and might i also add even when dennis did his inspection on the lead abatement or on his initial call, he came out and stated on his initial complaint that everything was covered in plastic and there was no signs of dust on the first initial inspection. when he came out the second time is when he took the picture of the chip. >> you don't take pictures of your posting? >> i do now, by recommendation of mr. yee for situations just like this. it

no evidence of history no activity enforcement cases with the structure there doing their best to abate the illegal issue to sell the property but didn't necessarily clear all violations from the property it is a procedural error but a bit more than that had the proper process been fold they would have had a hearing at the commission and they did the permit shouldn't have been issued to say that was properly issued was incorrect it shouldn't have been issued we recommended the three the planning commission allow approval of the permit but they reviewed the facts and at the hearing decided to granted dr and deny the permit to remove the illegal unit that's the decision we're seeking to support that it was issued in error because the proper notice was not done that give them the ability to have the real outcome reflected here we should have row revoked the permit last year but instead suspended it and tried to go through the simple process with the planning department maybe expect a different decision from the planning commission but the decision they made we'll abide by so if you have an

abated or asked to produce the building permit looking at the initial stage of complaints and the citations it is really confusing so my first question is this the owner of property on the backside. >> this is purely on a jurisdictional so save our merits for that. >> sorry. >> one of the case is it pertains to a different citations which the actual storage house and then the flooring is this thing from what of the being card charges on the 16 dot 1 the foundation has a different permit and the next one the storage shed has to have the next permit. >> excuse me. sir they have to decide on the jurisdiction then you'll make your case. >> is there any further commissioners comments before we go to public comment any public comment seeing none if you want to. >> you go. >> your turn. >> you go. >> i'd like to make a motion based on the fact that the building permit was foiled we uphold we not uphold. >> we grant jurisdiction or take jurisdiction i would suggest we continue it. >> to another time. >> to another time to give the staff time to prepare the case and resolve the illness kinds. >> can

they provide 5 days a week street cleaning and additional washing and help us out with graffiti abatement and the like. here we have some metrics from february through june 2014. our team removed graffiti. there were 108 incidents. there were 381 graffiti incidents removed. 85 human and animal waste clean up. pressure washed the entire district 5 times and we have hot spots that we clean every month, for example weekly. and we had 169 reports of illegal dumping. moving on to safety metrics. our safety met asterisks. we got in touch with security specialist. and provides security for us thursday through saturday evening. from february to june-february 14th. they hat hospitality services 131 instances that would include ambassador interactions. and merchant check ins. 554. sf p.d. interactions and loitering 244, alcohol and drug related 121, calls for city services and crowd control. >> we have challenges that do with illegal dumping and as public works mentioned we work very close with them and we are alsoing working with cbd numbers and we have blighted properties and vacancies and we are

fact t/i+ he would change the abatement process. tax many thin%1 thet(fá abatement process worksÑi effectively. you need to recognize the consequences to that is significant to businesses who have thrived andxd drivenxd all those towers across philadelphia process. >> we asked viewers to weigh inçó on some of these concerns on our nbc 10 app.e1 rachel ° because of it. and also our partners at the philadelphia chamber of commerce say the wage taxçót( and the abatement taxt( really are stifling growth. as mayor we want to know, which taxes will you work to reform or lower? let's start withjf fáyou, mr. diaz. >> i agree with that comment. theçó regressiveness of the business taxes and the waste taxesw3 deny us the opportunity to grow our economy n. philadelphia, 66% of the city budget is made upok ofq those tax when only 16% is made up of the real estate taxes. what we need to doÑsxjuáq'tially is what other cities 34% of the real estate taxesw3q makes up the budget of thexd city. we need to be able to have a Ñi reform with regard to

that they are doing is consistent with another section of the building code, the lead-based paint abatement ordinance, which merely requires, among other things, that everybody in the building be noticed. how do we know that they aren't doing it properly? because dennis yee, who is an inspector for the city, on the 15th of january issued a notice of violation. and that notice of violation says, in part, that the responsible party did not post a sign stating that lead work was in progress. he writes also that for interior work the permit holder must immediately post that lead work is in progress at all access points. he thirdly writes that notice to residential occupants must be given. the owner did not, and this is a quote from the nlv on january 15th, the own er did not provide written notice of work that he is removing lead-based paint to the residential occupants at least 3 business days prior to the work. it's not only giving notice, it's notice of a certain sort that's very practical. it's not notice once the work begins. the last time we were here some of you asked the representative

a long-term owner occupied homes have a benefit of a longer tax abatement.n addition to that, there are other issues that bring up 10 year tax abatement is great for center city but i propose extending it to 20 years and those areas which have been formally um pour rigid and seeing a development of millennials and other people coming in. that 20 year tax abatement will allow that older person to stay in their home and have the benefits of seeing a vibrant community. in addition to that, we have to do more to make sure that our commercial corridors are rebuild rebuild. when commercial corridors are rebuilt it brings more business, more people, more taxes more benefits to the community. >> i do this with extreme trepidation. >> it's okay. >> the light is red. >> it's okay. >> all right. >>> doug oliver the light is green for you. >> as they say the most -- as i say the most officer of affordable house is the one you already own. the city has an obligation to protect long-term homeowners. the analogy i use is, for businessperson who would typically understand t

that could be done by law so i'd like to speak in their defense their community minded people and abated by the letter of the law and will continue to do so if you have any other questions for me i'll take them thank you. >> okay. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm jerry mirror a member of the 0 dog patch merchant association i'm here not only to permanently support the project but to read a letter by dr. angie natural medication and informed that letter was not included if the packet because the doctor couldn't be here letter is addressed to mr. sue gray i've reviewed the plans for this project and supportive of project i will and work on potrero hill my business of 17 years and 20th street a block from the grocery in the project described above i've lived on 20th street for 20 years i've seen buzz come and go on the street and along with the good life anchored business for 20 years since inclines closed a number of years the neighborhood needs mor

booster pump might be required and main location coverage of sprishlg systems in companion areas and abatement if needed for lead and asbestos and >> sir i'm sorry our screens are blinking i don't have this package on the power point presentation so could you get a copy of it? i might have an old copy

wemdz history month i landmark to working with those incredibly reactor women to advance equality and abate throughout the city and make sure we have success and thank you for coming and congratulations >> (clapping.) all right. everybody ready runners to the starting line no, not yet let's say roosevelt middle school in the house? yeah. >> is rolth middle school in the house is right now cap in the house do question have the san francisco community in the house all right. well, good afternoon everybody had a friday i'm facebook's the jlgd of the rec and park department and have the great pleasure of inviting you to the kezar track reopening (clapping) so there are 3 dates for us to keep in mind about this amazing facility 1925 it used to be governor jerry brown ma cleaners nurses in 1924 from 1925 to 1989 hosting all kinds of things like motor cross and it hosted obviously football and it host did lacrosse and auto racing and baseball and cricket and, of course, go football the warriors and the oakland raiders played here now let's go to 1989 in that year that becomes the people's track th

booster pump might be required and main location coverage of sprishlg systems in companion areas and abatement if needed for lead and asbestos and >> sir i'm sorry our screens are blinking i don't have this package on the power point presentation so could you get a copy of it? i might have an old copy >> tucson. >> concealed picking up and impact on tenants total cost result in different appraising prices i'd like to electro our chief housing circumstance rosemary. >> supervisors good afternoon so regarding the regulatory you framework i find yourself in regarding sprinklers and for suppression systems this is y while the newer buildings are required to have a manner of sprinkler systems throughout the, in fact, is the majority of buildings were banishment a long time ago i'll give you nor information if you look at apartment buildings of 7 units or greater 96 percent of those buildings were build 45 years ago or longer than that so the problem is only non-allowed fire suppression the housing detail rieft reeftly it is required in apartment buildings the fir mash had a table before you we have

especially now is the improvement in the weather, and also the fact that conflicts have shown no sign of abatingoth in africa and the middle east. >> massive refugee crises happening around the world, paul. and they are not always welcomed with open arms in europe. is there any push to ease the burden. >> there is certainly a push to ease the burden on italy, which is the closest country. lampedusa is very often the first landfall that these refugees make. and then they become effectively the italians responsibility. what we see is the italians are increasingly reluctant to take on full responsibility. and the authorities take these refugees to holding centers, and then they open the doors, and the refugees are allowed to roam free heading north. so that is the expectation. the hope is for a coordinated approach to make sure that italy alone does not bear the full burden for this influx. >> it is a long and dangerous journey for those refugees. paul. thank you. >>> iran's nuclear capabilities were a key issue at a meeting of some of the world's greatest powers. their are discussing the conflicts

other thing i thought it would be good to start tabulating when is the nov revolved from issuance to abatement or we just you know it just is over so this kind of because i think we've been getting very good reports on but we don't get the end results. >> commissioner walker i believe. >> yeah. i just want to there's been a lot of public attention to our commission and the allegations of corruption from the city attorney's office as previous sitting officials as a commissioner, i take allegations of corruption me seriously wouldn't comment on specifics until those issues are fully vested the public needs to know we take it seriously and are coordinating fully. >> thank you anything foster. >> i want to second commissioner walkers comment. >> any public comment on item 13 ab seeing none, adjournment. >> move to adjourn. >> second. >> all commissioners in favor we're now adjourned it is 211. >> well done commissioners. >> thank you thank you everybody a wonderful day in san francisco. all right. all right. wow! like we just won the world series for the 4th time here. well, everybody welcome to c

we're ready to begin good morning today is wednesday april 15, 2015, this is the regular meet of abatementppeals board i'd like to remind everyone to please turn off electronic device p&z roll call. >> commissioner clinch commissioner mccarthy commissioner mar commissioner walker commissioner mccray commissioner lee is compassed and supervisor scott wiener that expected we have quorum the next is the oath will all parties giving testimony please stand

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. >> item 8 general public comment is there any general public comment for items no one the the abatement appeals item i adjournment. >> is there a motion to adjourn. >> second. >> we're now adjourned it is 11167 a.m. and we'll reconvene as the building inspection in >>> >> >> items today will appear on the board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> okay, before we get started i also want to note that sf govtv and thank the staff that is recording this for everybody to get a hold of, hersh and jessie larson. during this meeting i might call things out of order. i will start with item no. 16789 item no. one for receiving reports for fiscal years 2011 through 2014. >> okay. good morning chair yee, supervisor christensen. here to present to you the annual review process for the benefit district program. nothing new we haven't covered before. in terms of legislative overview, there are two laws that govern the community benefit district program. that is the state law 1994 act and article law 14. this covers fiscal years 2011 through 2014. o e wd is responsible for meeting their m

been 34r5e7bd throughout even though city as a result of clean city 3 million square feet of graft abatement and i know that because i got one million of them and i got it on the same signal box i know a million square feet that's a square block i want to say thank you to the community groups you're helping not only to help clean the city and getting volunteers young people as well as people that point careers and good jobs to work with you dpw and all the associate agency rec and park and all those departments are part of our youth hiring organization we use the most basically teams of respectfully the city to recruit our youths and you'll see many of them grew up into career jobs in all our department i want to shout out to the police department who is here all the time (clapping) and i want everybody to know as you pan out we're all working together a strong collaboration among the agencies but the most more collaboration is with our community and the people that live here no matter where your from (clapping) we keep that in everything so i want to say thank you to everybody keep collabor

. >> put some kind of abate in there. to attract bug. >> may not be the center piece of the vineyard in healdsburg but the bug trap doing some serious work. saving his livelihood from ruin. >> if within a year or two years you will have a dead vine years you will have a dead vine. >> glassy wing sharp shooter is tiny. half inch. but can kill plants and vines by spreading pierce disease which cuts off a plant water supply. >> just think of it as mosquitos. exactly the same thing. >> we have a 600 million dollar wine grape industry to protect. >> assistant ago commissioner is wage is waging war against the pest preventing the spread from northern california. warm weather and early spring has increased the threat. the bright yellow sharp shooter trap a common sight. every shipment of mr. president arriving from the south land inspected. recently egg from a sharp shooter were found on a cargo shipment. >> fortunately they check the system and able to find it and ship the plant back to southern california so we don't have the

so, to sum it all up, the windy tonight, the winds abate tomorrow morning. then excellency of sunshine, a lot warmer monday. we get milder temperatures coming in wednesday, thursday, friday, and low clouds along the shoreline. opening day on the bay tomorrow, 64 degrees. forecast out on the water, the winds will be strong enough to put a little wind in your sails which is the point, right? if you are heading across the bay to oakland, the as taking on the astros and game time 1:05 p.m., forecast, 69 degrees. a great day for baseball in the bay area. heading out, it is 82 degrees in redding. down 99 to fresno. 76 degrees. headed to the hills, 61 at yosemite. overnight tonight, the numbers will be in the low 50s to the upper 40s in the cooler spots. and daytime highs tomorrow, a little warmer than we have grown accustomed to lately. con ford four above average at 75 degrees. in san jose, we will see a reading of 72 in oakland, 70 degrees. down in the south bay, plenty of sunshine, 72 in santa clara. milpitas, 67. fremont, 72. in the east bay, 73 fairfield. 75

. >> put some kind of abate in there. to attract bug. >> may not be the center piece of the vineyard in healdsburg but the bug trap doing some serious work. saving his livelihood from ruin. >> if within a year or two years you will have a dead vine years you will have a dead vine. >> glassy wing sharp shooter is tiny. half inch. but can kill plants and vines by spreading pierce disease which cuts off a plant water supply. >> just think of it as mosquitos. exactly the same thing. >> we have a 600 million dollar wine grape industry to protect. >> assistant ago commissioner is wage is waging war against the pest preventing the spread from northern california. warm weather and early spring has increased the threat. the bright yellow sharp shooter trap a common sight. every shipment of mr. president arriving from the south land inspected. recently egg from a sharp shooter were found on a cargo shipment. >> fortunately they check the system and able to find it and ship the plant back to southern california so we don't have the

. >> put some kind of abate in there. to attract bug. >> may not be the center piece of the vineyard in healdsburg but the bug trap doing some serious work. saving his livelihood from ruin. >> if within a year or two years you will have a dead vine years you will have a dead vine. >> glassy wing sharp shooter is tiny. half inch. but can kill plants and vines by spreading pierce disease which cuts off a plant water supply. >> just think of it as mosquitos. exactly the same thing. >> we have a 600 million dollar wine grape industry to protect. >> assistant ago commissioner is wage is waging war against the pest preventing the spread from northern california. warm weather and early spring has increased the threat. the bright yellow sharp shooter trap a common sight. every shipment of mr. president arriving from the south land inspected. recently egg from a sharp shooter were found on a cargo shipment. >> fortunately they check the system and able to find it and ship the plant back to southern california so we don't have the

reporter:the santa clara sheriff's office arrested carter's brother and his wife for harboring and abating a fugitive. >>reporter:authorities received a hint that the suspect was living in a golfport, mississippi duplex. >>reporter:when cornered, he tried running through the back door but was apprehended a short time later >>reporter:he's being held in mississippi awaiting extradition to the bay area. >>: we focused a lot of attention getting this person back in custody because we knew he was a danger to the public and we put the resources in it that we needed and our people did a good job, but we will be looking at policies. >>reporter:carter will be facing additional charges for the escape including resisting arrest resulting in the injury of an officer. >>reporter:a member of the mississippi marshal service task force suffered a brooken arm and ripped bicep during his capture. >>reporter:san jose police are investigating the shooting death last night of a 33-year-old woman. >>reporter:they say the woman - who was from the sacramento area - was shot while in her car and pronounced dead a

violations, then why is he allowing the city to blatantly ignore the landlord's right and responsibility to abate them? both mayor lee's office and supervisor jane kim have unfairly turned this into a political issue to apiece some of their constituents to make it look like they are saving housing in san francisco when they are actually risking the lives of these people for their own political gain. the pressure that the supervisors and mayor's office have put on the city officials and employees with reference to this building permit is highly disturbing, abuse of power and frankly should be on 20/20. i would like to also make the point it is not the responsibility of landlords to finance any housing crisis. supervisor kim is attempting to shift the responsibility and cost of affordable housing for constituents to landlords but even more disturbing is the liability the city is creating by continuing to allow these people to reside in highly unsafe conditions. this should be a simple decision, put safety before politics. thank you. >> would you care to identify yourself? >> pebby mullin, i'm sorry

and dpw for graffiti abatement about 60,000. >> in terms of the airport academy they're coming through our academy and -- >> right. >> and straight to the airport. >> director martin in an effort they got up to full staffing more quickly they offered to pay for the positions and we believe they're at or near that point so subsequent recruits will be all in san francisco. >> got it. >> i need to make a point and there were more comments about more police and increasing staffing. i think that's a misnomer. the charter mandate is listed and we have been 300 officers or 15% behind the charter, so the officers that we're talking about adding are not in addition to or increasing the department. it's trying to get to the voter mandated minimum of 1971 which we haven't been at since 2009. as far as positions go again the charter mandate is full duty officers so we have about 2262. some of those officers are officers in the academy, aren't counted against the 1971 because they're not outside. there are officers in -- on disability or other stages of less than full duty so they don't count again

numbers also and i want you to keep them in mind in the conference as to potentials for long-term abatement and how we address the problem so one of the ideas that one of the staff pulled forward given the fact it's a low point can we have a collection basin under ground that would hold water during a storm and eliminate a flooding in the event of a storm? we did move a project -- move along a project. red park had a project there and build a park and we asked them to stop the project and give us the opportunity to look at the feasibility of designing a storage tank under the park and hopefully that would address the situation. they agreed to hold off the project and we went into design on that. as we found was that the largest tank that we could cost effectively build under that park was a 800,000-gallon tank and we did the analysis of cost which was approximately $20 million and then we did the analysis of what benefit it would bring and it was unfortunately a relatively small benefit. in furthering that analysis what we found was to try to impact flooding on what we call a five year stor