abbus for the next question, if the israelies are attempting to forcibly displace palestinians from both the gaza strip and the west bank, it potentially means driving palestinians into uh egypt and jordan, that's similar to what happened uh during the nack. which apart from being a war crime will have serious repercussions uh for the countries around palestine? well you're absolutely right, i mean egypt has rejected the idea on paper of accepting palestinians, they've tightened up their borders and they weren't persuaded ultimately to go all the way, which was what israel wanted, i the expulsion of all palestinians from gaza, and their idea was to send them into the desert each. that didn't happen uh, it's obviously clearly huge uh security issue even for the egyptians, the egyptians don't want the palestinian uh situation spilling into their territory, they're happy to support and help israel in palestine, they're happy to support them in any way they can to to subjugate the the palestinians, but they don't want them in their territory, the same goes for jordan, i mean both of these co

here, stay safe and god bless you and thank you mr. ham here, you want to go back said uh mosin uh abbus now uh he's on the line uh out of london uh uh sayid uh i don't know if you were you on the line all this time sayid if you were i want to apologize for holding you up uh and thank you for your patience but for some reason i was led to believe that that that you left and you came back but if you could hear us sayid mon uh either welcome back or thanks for your patience for staying on the line um uh your thoughts on the question that i just asked because uh and leader of iran's islamic revolution, i told sayd ali khamenei have vouch avout a strong response to avenge uh the decibles uh ismal han and what are your concerns about what this may lead to for the region? well of course the concerns are that a regional war could break out which draws in all of the all of the the the the powers in that area and it could also be lot worse, it could turn into a global uh war as well, it's not a far-fetched uh notion, so uh they're playing with fire, of course the israelis seem desperate, they don

for the program is frag huge journalist author and activist joining us from belfast and sayid and abbus journalist and political commentator joining us from london gentlemen like to welcome you both to the program here sayid we'll start with you out there in london uh this significance of this icc, you very well know the regime in televive is not signed up, the us has not signed up, even though the rome statute that created the icc, the us had lot to do with establishing it, you got 123 countries that are part of it, and ironically and uh absurd, it's the us isn't. your initial thoughts on the significance of the icc chief prosecutors saying he's uh making this declaration, and uh, there has to be still some benefit, something optimistic that could come out of it, can and not? i think it's it's all about small victories. mean, the icc has been threatened by the americans previously, as you know, for - for trying to take action against - uh against it and against the israelis, the americans have vetoed uh any resolution uh taking action against uh the israelis five times since october th

arena and in the field they can ask for the palestinian rights and i like to now welcome sayid mosin abbus uh joining us out of london political commentator hello said pleasure to have you joining us in this conversation your initial thoughts said on these uh bold and um unsanctioned highly illegal assassinations we witness fuad shukre and ismaal hanyer in beirot and tehran respectively. well, it's a continuation of extrajudicial killing. it's uh basically a crime, it's an international international set of crimes which they don't want to give up on, and it's the americans who've along with the israeli set the precedence for this. the israelis have been committing these henous crimes on not so important uh targets, relatively, if i can use that expression, basically ordinary. citizens in syria, ordinary citizens around afghanistan through to libya, they've been they've been uh doing these these killings all over the place, this part of their arsenal that they use, but of course uh the issue really is uh what's there to stop them, and i think what what palestine has managed to uh expose or

not deter resistance against israely crimes and occupation. palestinian authority president mahmoud abbus described assassination as a cowardly act. our god the corresponsabi spoken to some palestinians following the marturdom of ismal han they believe israel's assassination of the hamas chief cannot weaken palestinian resistance. the zionist entity is only that of war is only an entity of war. they want to burn the entire region and they hit leban. and they hit in iran and they know that iran and lebanon and the resistance will not allow them to let this pass, and their criminal actions will not pass, and this our resistance al-qassan brigades also will not let this pass, and this is why we say that the actions of the zionist enemy today is to inflame the entire region, the zionist enemy wants to inflame the entire region because they failed in accomplishing their objectives. "why are they doing this? what are they doing? now we have said that they are maneuvering, they don't want your truth, they want an agreement or a prisoner swap, they only want to continue with their aggression here

abbus for the next question, if the israelis are attempting to forcibly displaced palestinians from both the gaza strip and the west bank, it potentially means driving palestinians into uh egypt and jordan, that's similar to what happened uh during the nakba, which apart from being a war crime, will have serious repercussions uh for the countries around palestine? well, you're absolutely wrong. i mean egypt has rejected the idea on paper of uh accepting uh palestinians, they've tightened up their borders and they weren't persuaded ultimately to go all the way, which was what israel wanted, i the expulsion of all palestinians from gaza, and their idea was to send them into the desert in egypt, that didn't happen uh, it's obviously clearly huge security issue even for the egyptians, the egyptians don't want the palestinian uh situation. spilling into their territory, they're happy to support and help israel in palestine, they're happy to support them in any way they can to subjugate the the palestinians, but they don't want them in their territory, the same goes for jordan, i mean both of

said mosan abbus, journalist and political. commentator out of london and said maz shah executive directoruman rights out of karachi. well, thank you both for.

i like to welcome my guests to the program. said mosan abbus, journalist and political commentator out of london. and said shah, executive director of center for islamic law and human rights. out of karachi. well, thank you both. for being with us, starting it off in london, and said moson, i mean, though the whole western hegemonic front has failed the palestinians, at the same time it appears that it has done everything it possibly could for the israeli regime during this genocide. i mean, your thoughts about that, and what does it really mean? well, first of all, i think uh, the the lies and the hypocrisy of the collective anglosphere. has been exposed more in this particular genocide, this particular scenario of war than in any other that i can leave, i can really uh remember, there's nothing in living memory that i can record really lays bear, the hypocrisy, the lies, the the genocidal intent, the the the fraud that is really what we now know as western neoliberalism, in reality what we've got is set of... of global international structures created by this this anglosphere which a

he has done what he has done to the world, okay, thank you very much, it was a pleasure having you, abbus, activist, organizer and podcaster, thank you for joining us here in the studios, thank you, and with that we come to an end for this additional world news, thanks for being with us, this bye-bye for now. why the atomic bomb? why all the power? you scientists are blamed for the weapons to be used. killing innocent people to get what? hello, i am.