there's so much about our own culture that we -- we have yet to he were about -- about abby lincoln has wonderful poe yes, ma'am. she said we're the african god. we're the african gods. if young children are growing up and not learning about -- or seeing artwork that describes african spirituality, how do you expect them? >> i want to be cheer. you're for the suggesting. you and i both borne in mississippi, you in jackson and me in gulfport. we're from the south, and have those roots. you're not suggesting that a role of something bigger than us have played in us over the years. you're not casting aspersions on that? >> no. but this is a hidden part of the story that is also propelled us and helped us to -- to escape the bonds of slavery. there's another big picture in this that we don't know about and don't talk about. there's -- there's -- you know in terms of our spiritual system that is we brought to the united states, we don't even take a look at that. we're taught that is evil. that anything that was invented by you know, or that was -- was practiced by -- by the -- the african --

lincoln and the missing link. somebody can take this idea and run with it. [laughter] abby mary's this guy who's a former officer and the continental army who ends up losing everything and a variety of poor investments. charles becomes an alcoholic and drug addict. he dies at 40 in new york even though as a child he's the most beguiling. all three of the boys, but become a graduate from harvard. does this sound familiar? when they are in europe should use worrying we're spending all this money on elaborate dinners. we are not going to be able to afford college tuition for our children. tommy, the youngest and the most invisible, sales as a lawyer in philadelphia and eventually comes back to live with his parents in quincy and mary's a local girl and has eight kids but he's alcoholic. so the pattern in the adams dynasty is one child succeeds enormously, and all of the rest of the more horrible failures. is this the fault of of the deal and john? there are some letters of appeal rights to john quincy couple scare the hell of a few and more than john. abigail was tougher as a