now, if i got in trouble i would hire abby lowell. having said that it's got to pass the smell test and do you really think that the prosecutors are going to stand up in court on the fly and say, we want to give this guy immunity the rest of his life as if that was something they decided to do on their own and the defense wasn't going to accept it? i mean it just makes absolutely no sense. what the protestors cures did was they gave him immunity for everything. so, what's the point of the special counsel? and yet we appoint in guy or joe biden appoints this guy special counsel. abby lowell is convinced there will be no new evidence. i don't know how lowell knows that because they're finding new bank accounts but the truth is that at least donald trump with the mueller special counsel went outside of the government and it involved him. it involved him and the idea of his being a putin puppet or russian asset. joe biden would never go outside of the government and get a mueller to investigate himself and his son. so joe biden insisted o

abby lowell, by the way, there's no smarter guy in washington that abby lowell.her he will be a witness or not, he fumbled the deal okay? they inserted the real deal, it was meant to try to get out of what they were doing in front of a savvy federal judge. i don't know what will happen. what i do know is this. congress will not be able to get any information. they responded to congress' demand and said they're actively working to identify the information that congress is seeking but may take a moment or two. it's not going to happen. >> martha: i just want to play one of gary shapley -- just to remind people. gary shapley looks -- and zeigler looks smarter and smarter all the time as this unravels. they came to congress and said, look, here's what's going on with david weiss. so play the number 3, guys, in the call for about what he anticipates will eventually happen with all of this. watch. >> attorney weiss, attorney general garland will be sitting before these committees one day and will have to admit despite all of their problems, the fact is that this case w

abby lowell, a power house d.c. attorney that represented bill clinton, jared kushner is on the case officially. he's been involved in other matters involving the president's son. the way hunter's team is framing this is that chris clark may be a witness in an upcoming case about this plea agreement falling through. according to a delaware code of conduct rule, an attorney that will be a witness in a future case cannot currently be an attorney. that's why clark is out and lowell is in. neil? >> i think i got it. david, thanks very much. tom dupree and katie are here. brilliant lawyers to sort of pick apart both cases. tom, i want your take on hunter biden's lawyers demanding the department of justice honor that part of the plea deal. seems to have been blown up now and nowhere near getting back together. what do you think? >> i'm very skeptical of hunter biden's lawyers argument that this is binding and valid. it was not approved by the judge. although there's some truth that diversion agreements are different than

abby lowell, a washington powerhouse attorney here in the district of columbia, is now representing biden in this case. lowell has also worked with biden before. right side of the screen and clark on the left side with the glasses. hunter's team is well aware of the two tax violations that were supposed to be part of the plea deal but no longer and may go to trial. however, abby, lowell insists a diversion agreement to avoid jail time for a gun charge is already signed by the government and hunter and is valid. in their filing they wrote the defendant intends to abide by the terms of the diversion agreement that was executed by the defendant, his counsel and the united states. the parties have a diversion agreement. we'll see what the judge said. she had big problems with this diversion agreement inside the courtroom in wilmington, delaware. david weiss is the special counsel investigating the case. he just sat in the courtroom a few feet away from hunter biden and was prepared to enter into this plea deal. the case will move toward trial in washington, d.c., california or both. that fili

there's plenty of legal wrangling going on abbie lowell spoke about the in the symbian, so let's talk about this. appointment of david weiss and whether it confers any new powers. here's what he said is once again people need to understand that the attorney general and he, that he, mr. weiss, has sai for a long time, he had all the authority needed to bring any charge that was appropriate, an any place. so what does the special counse do that he couldn't do? the answer should be nothing different. >> so that banks will question to be here to revoking jim jordan treated. first devin white said he didn' have power needed and wanted special counsel status. then he said he had all the power he needs. he gets personal counsel status because he didn't really have the power he needs? something is not right. tom, what you make of the timing in this selection? >> sure. first, i would say the special counsel has greater power now than he did a week ago before he got this uh -- appointment. he can bring it in new jurisdictions and he has a little more insulation. he is not 100% independent. . me

abbie lowell spoke about the appointment of david weiss and whether it confers any new powers and here is what he said. >> people need to understand that the attorney general and he, that he, mr. weiss, said for a longtime, that he had all the authority he needed to bring any charge that was appropriate in any place. so what does the special counsel do that he couldn't do? the answer should be nothing different. >> so that begs a lot of questions. here is what the republican jim jordan tweeted. first he said he didn't have the power he needed and wanted special counsel status. and then he said he had all the power he needs. and now he gets special counsel status because he didn't have the power he needs. something's not right. tom, what do you make of the timing in this selection? >> sure. first, i would say the special counsel has greater power now than he did a week ago before he got this uh -- appointment. he can bring it in new jurisdictions and he has a little more insulation. he is not 100% independent. may have some pull of strings, but still has power. because the special couns

announcement from the attorney general, merrick garland, today is one of hunter biden's attorneys, abby lowell. abby, thank you for being here tonight. first, when did you find out about the attorney general's announcement today? did you have any idea this was coming? >> i think all of us found out about the time you all started finding out, which is somewhere between mid-morning and the time the attorney general spoke. while we didn't know that was going to happen, given what's happened in the case, it wasn't a surprise there would be some announcement to see where this case and the investigation would go from here. >> i'm assuming what you're referencing is how hunter biden's legal team and david weiss were still privately trying to negotiate a plea deal this week. i mean, were you surprised that david weiss asked to be made special counsel in the middle of that? >> i think, you know, the point of surprise, not quite right. here's what people should focus on, kaitlan, that what happened today, as a practical matter, is not much different than what was the case yesterday or three weeks from b

that's not impeachment but an inquiry and i think that would do well in the courts but we know that abby lowell, hunter biden attorney wraps up the house of representatives in court as quickly as possible and the house given the moves over the last couple of days has got to go and have a the vote on the floor of the house. is there going to be an impeachment and i think that's going to be compelling by a judge to enforce a subpoena by saying the house is needing to investigate these things. >> folks in the republican majority, slight as it is are citing things for which joe biden and jim jordan in the house judiciary committee and not early intervention program peachment hearings -- impeachment hearing ands why not do it the right way and the democrat didn't do it and president trump the first time around and they didn't do it that way and why not investigate first and charge later. >> the consent of the requirement in the constitution and that's a senate prerogative, but edwin piece, the former attorney general wrote eloquently for the heritage foundation saying there's a so equal opportunity

. >> aishah: that is hunter biden's attorney, abby lowell, dismissing concerns over his client's business dealings saying it's too hard to explain. special counsel make headway in their investigations, nothing but crickets in the biden documents probe. any major developments at all in that case? >> i spoke to a source, aishah, who says robert herr was at the justice department for meetings, not unusual but notable given this high profile investigation into a sitting president. remember, he is the man looking into classified documents found at multiple properties connected to president biden. the penn biden center in d.c. and in wilmington home in garage, these comments in january. >> i think you are going to find nothing there, no regrets, following what the lawyers have told me they want me to do, exactly what we are doing. there's no there there. >> they were found near his corvette. meanwhile, there are reports that herr's team is negotiating a sit-down interview with the president, perhaps signalling the big interview, usually toward the end of the probe. the president and his son hav

they intimidated every one of our witnesses, the biden legal team, abby lowell and company have morehan crossed the line of witness intimidation. you saw what the legal team did in the delaware court, trying to intimidate another person to take something off of the web site. there's example after example of obstruction but laura we're going to continue to move forward with this investigation. >> laura: yeah. the question is, what are they trying to hide and, you know, trying to -- i think everyone knows what this is, even if there's not a check that went to joe biden, whether expenses were covered for his home or he's just happy his son is getting all this money. i mean, we all kind of know what this is. but, congressman, we look forward to that testimony and i's going to give you the heisman not going to do it but we look forward to it anyway. congressman thank you >> joe biden's true priorities, what are they? are they on the home front or somewhere else? my angle discusses that. you don't want to miss it next. for colon cancer.♪ ♪it's time to use my voice,♪ ♪i've got a choice, mor

. >> joining me for an exclusive interview is one of hunter biden's attorneys, abby lowell.nk you for being here. when did you find out about the attorney general's announcement? >> i think all of us found out about the time you found out which was somewhere between midmorning and the time the attorney general spoke and while we didn't know that was going to happen given what was happening it wasn't a surprise to see where it went from here. >> i am assuming what you are referencing is how the legal team and david weiss are trying to privately negotiate a plea deal. were you surprised that trent fall asked to be made special counsel in the middle of that? >> i think the point of surprise, not quite right. here's what people should focus on, caitlin. what happened today as a practical matter is not much different than what was the case yesterday or three weeks from before. the attorney general and mr. weiss have been set for weeks. he had all the authority he needed to bring any charge that was merited at any time that was appropriate in any place that made sense. and so, the

take a listen to abby lowell one of hunter biden's attorneys. he spoke last night with kaitlan collins. >> it should not change the outcome. who could say they have been the subject of such a painstaking investigation looking at every nook and cranny in which the conclusion was two tax misdemeanors and a gun case to turn into anything else? there's been no evidence or fact that wasn't uncovered a week ago that will be uncovered tomorrow. >> so, in his view, nothing is really changing. i got to tell you, fred, a lot has changed. if they cannot reach a plea deal, then a trial may be in order. instead of misdemeanors, it could be felonies, a much more serious situation for hunter biden. fred. >> thank you so much. so this new twist in the hunter biden investigation means his case could stretch on for months and could complicate his father's reelection bid. let's bring in priscilla alvarez at the white house. the white house didn't get a heads-up this move was about to happen. what has been the response? >> reporter: the white house did not receive

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one of hunter biden's attorneys, abby lowell, was on news shows over the weekend where he was asked about going to trial on it. he was on cbs "face the nation" yesterday. here is what he said in response to that question. >> it's not inevitable. >> you're trying to avoid one? >> yes, we were trying to avoid one all along, and so were the prosecutors who came forward to us and were the ones to say, can there be a resolution short of a prosecution. they wanted it, and maybe they still do want it. >> so biden's lawyers there saying they are still interested in a plea deal. of course, with weiss elevated to special counsel, that indicates a decision or potential negotiation on that seems now a bit far from now versus how we seemed so close to a deal just last month. jim. >> and now it's a special counsel investigation. kara scannell in new york, thanks so much. >>> next, an update on evan gershkovich, the american held in russia. the u.s. ambassador meeting with him today. >>> the connection between air pollution and dementia when cnn returns. what do we always say, son? liberty mutual custom

. >> john: hunter has swapped out his lead attorney with abby lowell. david, appears the two sides are growing further and further apart on this. >> very far apart, john and gillian. it's amazing, not even three weeks ago on july 26th in wilmington, david weiss was sitting feet away from hunter biden and his attorneys, things were cordial, at least at the beginning getting ready to enter the plea deal, now things have fallen apart and growing further apart. the filing that just came in, david weiss says first the government did not reneg on the previously signed plea agreement as he asserts. hunter biden's attorney's says the gun charge, he was accused of lying on a federal form is valid, it was signed by both parties. the defendant, his attorneys say they have a binding and bilateral diversion agreement. weiss's team says it's not valid, even though it was signed as biden's attorneys suggest. and to reiterate the withdrawn agreement is not in effect. and chris clark was the chief architect of the plea deal when it fell through in open court. lowell, so

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abby lowell went up under biden's attorneys spoke about this appointment of david weiss and weather confers powers here's what he said. >> once again people need to understand the attorney general and he, h he mr. weiss, has said for a long time he had all of the authority that he needed to bring any charge that was appropriate in any place. so what does a special counsel do he could not do? not me think different progress that begs a lot of difference. robert and jim jordan tweeted first david weiss that he did not have the power when it special counsel status. then he said he won all the power he needs. now get special counsel status because he did not have the power he needs? something's not right. so what you make of the timing and the selection? what shorebird first is a special counsel does have greater power now that he did a week ago before he got his appointment has the power to bring charges and new different jurisdictions he also has a little bit more insulation from the potable fray. she sent one 100% independent mayor karl and pulled the strings but he has a little more power p

that's why abby lowell smartly said, well, if we don't have immunity on everything then we don't have anything. we don't have a deal. and this appointment now of david weiss special counsel is a joke because they've asked the fox to go into the chicken house. >> it's a farce. this is the guy that the irs whistleblowers identified as contradicting sworn testimony the a.g. and of david weiss himself. now that obviously protects the attorney general and that protects david weiss because if either one of them testify before congress we are not allowed to comment on an on going investigation. that will be their predictable answer. i can promise you that. well, paul thank you. i hope people understand this is happening to a lot of people and you know, now polls show the person people are getting it more than ever and that is we have a two tier or dual system of justice. >> what they don't understand sean is this just makes donald trump stronger and it doesn't lessen his resolve at all. >> i don't think it's going to lessen his resolve. i think he's made that abundantly clear what impact it

well, now abbe lowell is admitting that joe biden and hunter biden talked to his business associates on the speaker phone. >> i agree with abbyhen my children fleece foreign i always get on the phone. >> ainsley: beach house in delaware. >> you know. the problem here is the moving of the goal post. you know, and the contrast is, of course, extraordinary. trump is being indicted for everything short of ripping a mattress label off. >> brian: that's next. >> yet, the department much justice seems to be waiting for a virtual confession from the president in order to bring an indictment. it's a very weird contrast. but, this is becoming so serious i think it's going to be harder and harder for the media and the justice department to continue to deny this. the president said for years to the public he never spoke to his son about foreign dealings. >> right. >> recently devon archer said that was categorically false that the president knew about their dealings. other witnesses said they had met with the president, had dinners, including one who said he discussed the family dealings. all of these narratives are collapsing and then t