him well that's for her to explain can help the syrian government and russia they both say that abdul karim cohorts with terrorists american terrorism analysts criticize him for providing and uncritical english language platform for the jihadists this guy denies his affiliation but there's all this cloud of suspicion around him yet feared and still went ahead and employed him for this documentary should they have been aware of the drama surrounding this man. it's almost as if they didn't care and they were seeking access to further the regime change editorial line that dominates all c.n.n. coverage i mean if you tune into jake tapper's the lead every day he's promoting regime change against venezuela north korea syria and any other country can think of that isn't in line with the u.s. so what clarissa ward has consistently done since he's been. working for c.n.n. is infiltrate syria get into rebel held territory and produce these commercials for the rebels started in two thousand and eleven but now the rebels are dominated by these solid b. jihadi factions and abdul kareem is really one of

is trying to minimize the work abdul karim did on their movie their very special movie their award winning documentary and he here's how this came out he was not happy about it it was he was it was very upset whether leave and leave him out now c.n.n. barely mentioned my name he said i'm telling you somehow c.n.n. must have forgotten that i was the one that filmed it i guess they forgot. i don't think they are for it but i think maybe c.n.n. doesn't want to make a big to do about the fact that they were hiring al qaida is american foreign ng medium and they're there they're not really inviting them to the red carpet premiere and then add it out really they're kind of pulling down the instagram photos of them with the arm around my own kind of propagandist it's kind of like when when mel gibson directs a film the film might be good but all the actors are larger we didn't come with him . i totally believe the holocaust happened and so i'm not really hanging with mad max over there i'll just eat my spanakopita over here myself anyway good luck with that c.n.n. . so that is the show but if you

they did kill malcolm x and they did some things to karim abdul-jabbar also but i think he was just a true believer, i really do. you know when you got the olympic gold-medal he was backed by this group in louisville of 11 white businessmen and they hired angelo dundee to be a strainer and send them down to miami florida. it was all good. he was a great trainer but he went home at 5:00 every night and here was this 18-year-old kid down there trying to figure out and make connections and meet people and do things and that's when he felt enthralled with the nation of islam. it really became his life, you know. i don't think he was afraid. see that you never talk to him. >> a covered five fights of his but they were after this time period. he was kind of out of it. >> so talk about the directory search. you have a lot of newspaper accounts and things but what about the direct interviews? >> i talk a lot with his wife at the time linda boyd. her name now is khalil a ali and she had a good point. she said all the -- ali control the narrative better than anybody control the narrative becaus