abdullahal shami. from abdullah alshami. >> welcome back to the program. in afghanistan four afghan soldiers were killed today during a feergs battle with a fierce battle with the taliban in helman province. moved into a training and support role, jamie mcintyre joins us, from the white house. the war may be officially over but a huge number of troops are staying in the country. >> that's right tony. one of the lessons united states took from iraq, don't leave without leaving behind some troops. the obama administration is pinning its hopes on the afghan security forces even as a resurntresurge ent taliban is claiming victory. most u.s. troops now leaving afghanistan will never return. president obama says the original mission of denying terrorists safe hairch has been accomplished. >> because of the extraordinary work of the men and women in the armed forces, afghanistan has a chance to rebuild its own country. >> labeling the ceremony marking the departure of most nato troops a clear indication of their defeat and disappointment. the taliban were dramatically ramping up attacks killing 3200 afghan since and more than 1400 average forces and police in 2014. u.s. afghan troops have not cut and return. >> the afghan national security forces and police reacted bravely and dwoiblg each one quickly to each one of those attacks. >> but the taliban have succeeded in reestablishing areas formerly are cleared noticeably in helman province. taking back those gains will now have to be done with less help from nato. >>> much smaller assistance and training mission dubbed resolute support which starts officially january 1st. that will provide some 12,500 to 13,500 nato forces including about 5,000 american troops to back up the 350,000 strong afghan security forces as they take on taliban and al qaeda insurgents. so after 13 years hundreds of billions of dollars and more than 2200 american lives lost it's not so much that united states has won in afghanistan but more that it's done with afghanistan. tony some of those troops that are staying behind will have an unspecified counterterrorism mission. so even if the war is officially over the fighting will continue. >> jamie mcintyre at the white house, jamie, thank you. matt del zeller is here, good to see you again. it wasn't yesterday it was earlier today i saw a pretty provocative headline. if i say to you the afghan war that didn't really end yesterday, ended in defeat, what do you say to that? >> it did. at least from our perspective. i mean, i don't think the war ended. the taliban get a vote, and they've clearly voted with their guns and their road side bombs and their suicide bombers that they're going to continue fighting. adding a great disservice to people we still have in uniform over there in our behalf to tell them hey you're no longer at a war. i don't know what we're calling it now maybe it's a training application with a new name but let's be clear. people are still going to fight people are still going to get shot and injured and die and that, to me, still sounds an awful lot like a war. >> but if the united states isn't calling it a war and the taliban is still fighting, i'm not sure what the taliban is claiming victory for. what is this? what is the taliban claiming victory of? and what do you call this? >> well, i think at this point this is just -- it's a pr game. i mean only in washington right can we think of a press conference where we can declare the war over without a peace treaty or the absolute defeat of our enemies, with the enemies still being on the battlefield and very much coming testing our presence. it's been mismanaged sings the beginning. what we have is an afghan government that is not responsive to the majority of the people's needs. i feel we've repeeded the old soviet strategy, we'll withdrawn from the be rural areas which is where the majorities of the afghans live. they have the luxury of driving north relatively peacefully when they left. we're going to have to fly from about one of five different air fields most of which are surrounded by very large tall mountains from which you can easily make those air fields grave yards to our aircraft. this is a nightmare. the only way it gets resolved is politically. >> yes. >> we have to realize that the taliban has fought us to a stalemate. there is no military palatable solution to this. we're not going to send in 500,000 u.s. troops and go in with our pakistani allies and wipe out the taliban period. what has to be is a political solution to this conflict. sitting down with people who we quite frankly right now cannot stomach. >> wow. if i'm looking for a silver lining and i'm not i'm just posing it as a question, look ngos are in the country and i'm told they're building wells and people who otherwise wouldn't have drinking water now have drinking water more schools are being built, more women are going to school and getting an education what do we say to those positive developments? they are certainly positive developments. >> yeah, i think last one is probably the most important is the education of women. so i'm sitting here talking to you now because my translator saved my life in a firefight. the day after when i could take stock of what happened, i asked him why did he do that? he told me i was a guest in his country and he was trying to protect me. i said i'm glad you're on our side and trying to not take a slot. i asked why are you on my side he said because my mom would being be knowledge ashamed of me if i worked for the taliban. and my mom was educated. you can't fight with these people they're not true muslims. that's going to be our lasting legacy, is the millions of afghan women who have been given some semblance of an opportunity oget some basic literacy. once you have implanted that seed of literacy the whole marketplace of ideas is potentially opened up to that individual and they are no longer to be controlled by what is essentially thought control. the taliban has beaten us as to how they get their information out to a highly illiterate afghan population but imagine the people can read for themselves and write for themselves. that's the taliban's greatest fear and our greatest asset. >> i guess the latest discount 2224 u.s. soldiers killed fighting there in afghanistan since 2001. no one knows how many afghans have been killed in that same time span. what becomes of afghanistan? does it become for u.s. interest does it become korea? what does it become? >> i would hope that it would. you know, i think too nonthis country we have thought of the item of nation-building as some sort of cursed term. but i'd ask you what has it gotten us? it's gotten us a situation in iraq in which we are now recommitting u.s. military forces. a situation in afghanistan that i think people if you would have said this would have been ten years ago, argued what's the point of being there in the first place? but compare that to place he where the u.s. actually left behind a lasting commitment not just militarily but economically and politically and developmentally. the germanys and being japans and south koreas of the world. trading partners not just in economics but this culture and in science. and that's what afghanistan and iraq could be, if we were willing to actually engage in the type of true national commitment it takes to help bring our friends and allies along with us in our ride of prosperity. but thus far i would argue as a soldier, we too often looked to the military as this broad policy, you use us as oscalpel dom remove the cancer in your being overall quality of life. that's the state department, the u.s.a.i.d.esu.s.a.i.d.s, the socioeconomic thaings america hasthings that the u.s. brought to bear. we have been reactionary back amo mode. whakingary whackam offeringswingwhackamo mode. >> thank you for joining us. today marks the one year anniversary everring peter greste, mohamed fahmy and baher mohamed sentenced to being irm prisonment. abdullah al shami earlier todaying described the conditions of his captivity. >> if i may use the expression it's like a owsk experience because you get to be totally denied from your basic human rights, you don't get to see your relatives, except once in a week and in my colleagues case, just once every two weeks, of course there's no kind of medical care, there's no any kind of free sometime for them go around or do whatever they could think about and the conditions nsh any prisoner in egypt, that applies to my colleagues as well miserable conditions. the way the cells look like, the hygiene, everything related to normal human conditions, basic human rights, they have been deprived of. >> guide dispietdespite the dangers journalists still go out and do their job. including intimidation from their own governments. roxana saberi has more. ♪ ♪ >> mikel zeber says running an independent tv station isn't easy. he's earned the rath of russian authorities. >> unfortunately we are targeted and we ha