abdullah abdullah, president biden promised to confront afghanistan's third covid wave, by donating 3 million doses of johnson & johnson vaccine, and badly needed oxygen. and he pledged support for afghanistan's government, but with what an administration official called “tough love.” president biden: the afghans are going to have to decide for the future, what they want. nick: president ghani compared today in afghanistan, to the u.s. >> the afghan nation is an 1861 moment. like president lincoln. rallying to the defense of the republic, determined that the republic is defended. nick: but that's not going well. this week, afghan soldiers in multiple districts surrendered to the taliban, and taliban fighters have threatened two provincial capitals. the taliban also captured the tajikistan border crossing, and districts that could allow them to cut off the sole roads to kabul. on wednesday, the taliban released a statement declaring “manifest victory and triumph.” we interviewed taliban spokesman, sohail shaheen, earlier this week. do you believe that you've achieved victory? >> we are ending the war and the afghans become as one, as one nation. so i think that is victory for the nation. but if you see at the angle that we and the united states achieved a solution through talks in the negotiation, that is, i think, a success for both sides. nick: the taliban say they still want a political settlement in talks in doha. but the afghan government accuses the taliban of stalling, to try and win on the battlefield. there are taliban forces that got to the edge of kunduz city and maymana -- two provincial capitals. do the taliban plan to try and seize those provincial capitals? >> right now, we do not have any intention of running those capitals and taking them. a military takeover is not our policy. our policy is reaching a solution through talks and negotiation. nick: but afghan government members of the negotiating team whom i speak to, accuse you of largely abandoning the talks and not taking them seriously. >> we say, come and please talk about the road map, political road map first in order to reach a permanent solution. but they say we first, we want a cease fire. they are rather interested in surrendering our side to them. but that is not a reconciliation. nick: are you willing to entertain a humanitarian cease fire, especially with the third wave of covid? >> it is it up to the negotiation team on both sides. nick: are you ready and willing to share power? >> any solution can reach by both sides, they will be acceptable, acceptable to us. we want to enter a new phase of friendly relations with the u.s.a in the reconstruction of afghanistan, and the reinvestment in the country. but if they still insist continuing the military approach, if they give them, this moribund administration, more money and ammunition, weapons, that means it will continue, will prolong the war. nick: why, if foreign forces have agreed to leave, do the taliban continue to attack and kill your fellow afghans? >> those districts which have been falling to our forces in the last few weeks, are they falling through negotiations, not through fighting. nick: but that's not true in all areas. just in the last few weeks, the tele-have killed dozens of u.s.-trained afghan commandos. when the taliban ruled afghanistan, they destroyed historic buddhist art, and hunted and executed minorities and women who didn't adhere to their version of islam. if the taliban were to come back into power, would you do that again? >> that is something for future, for the religious scholars. nick: and so that punishment could include public execution? >> so that will be seen. nick: you said you will allow girls to go to school. what reassurance can you give the that you will follow through on that promise when in the past you haven't? >> all schools, that also includes girls schools and all universities and offices, they should remain open. so, that it's clear they will have access to education. nick: the administration is currently negotiating with turkey, for turkish troops to secure the airport, initially with the assistance of u.s. soldiers. u.s. service members will also remain to guard the embassy. and the u.s. is completing plans on how to keep training afghan soldiers, and whether u.s. contractors will continue to help the afghan air force. the taliban reject the presence of all u.s. forces and contractors. >> if they remain or leave behind some forces, some residual forces, that means continuation of the occupation. nick: meanwhile, thousands of afghans who have helped translate for and facilitate the u.s. war, are applying for u.s. visas. senior administration and congressional officials tell pbs newshour they are planning on evacuating some 17,000 -- and perhaps more -- to u.s. territory. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin. judy: after president biden's meeting today with afghan leaders in the oval office, we turn to our amna nawaz, who is reporting from the white house. amna, what more can you tell us about the president's meeting with afghan leaders, and how this administration is working through security issues? amna: it seems that the meeting was all smiles, a very friendly atmosphere. president biden welcoming, as he called them, old friends to the white house. but it was a tough meeting because of those underlying issues. the u.s. negotiated their withdrawal from afghanistan not with the government, but with the taliban. the white house wanted to focus on the continuing support, the enduring friendship. they pointed to humanitarian assistance, security assistance and 3 million doses of the covid-19 vaccine going to afghanistan. but the shadow over all of this, the meeting at the white house, is the deteriorating situation on the ground and government forces on the back foot and dire predictions about what could be had for the afghan government. i asked the press secretary about the reporting in the conversation we just saw with the taliban spokesman, and the repeated message from the taliban that any continued u.s. presence would be seen as a violation of the u.s. commitment to them. we also know a taliban spokesman said in a text message that even a diplomatic presence of the u.s. would be seen as a violation of the agreement. jen psaki said negotiators have been clear with the taliban and private that the u.s. intends to have an ongoing diplomatic presence and they will do whatever is necessary to secure it. judy: you are following another strike, vice president, harris -- vice president harris and her trip to the border, this after being criticized for not going. how has the trip gone? amna: part of her portfolio is to see the root causes and address those. she has been feeling a lot of questions since getting the portfolio, when she would go to the border, and criticism from republicans about what she had not been. the harris office told us she always planned to go but because her portfolio has a foreign policy lens, she wanted to go to guatemala and mexico first look at the causes. the trip to the border looks closer at the effects. she visited the port of entry, central processing center, one of the busiest ports of entry in the country in el paso. she did not visit fort bliss, one of the emergency intake shelters set up quickly to address the influx of unaccompanied children coming across the border. the facility can hold up to 5000 children and was subject of concerns because of disturbing reports about conditions. i asked the white house about this and an official told me she might not have visited the facility but she did with the managing attorney who oversees legal services for children, and this remains a concern for them. the shelter is getting more resources. i also spoke with veronica escobar, who accompanied harris on the trip, and congresswoman representing the district. she invited harris after they spoke. she published an op-ed earlier in the year saying this is what we need to do on the border, and that's part of the back story about how this trip came to be. judy: quickly back to afghanistan, the other issue is what will happen to american hostages who are still being held in afghanistan? amna: i asked the white house press secretary about the case we reported on. a man held for over a year by the taliban. jen psaki said the president's message is she will continue -- he will continue to release any americans held overseas. an official i spoke to said mark's name has been mentioned by the leading u.s. negotiator to the taliban in recent discussions, but the family, who i spoke with today, a source close themselves remain concerned. that as u.s. sources continue to leave, they will lose leverage. judy: all right, thank you. we turn now to a man at the center of negotiations for afghanistan, both with the u.s. and the taliban. dr. abdullahn of the high council for national reconciliation. thank you for joining us. did you here today from president biden -- you have just come from the white house -- what you wanted to hear? >> absolutely. we are grateful the president of the united states told us, to the president of afghanistan, that the troops are withdrawing and that decision has been made, but the commitment of the united states and the enduring partnership with afghanistan in terms of supporting the afghan people, supporting afghanistan with $3.3 billion of assistance for the security forces, humanitarian assistance, diplomatic support and all of that, will continue. meanwhile, on our part, we honor the sacrifices the united states has made alongside our people, with us, and remember those fallen, and we express our gratitude for those who have served in afghanistan. meanwhile, i think it is good news. we knew it, but we had it from the restriction today, we had it from the congress today and yesterday. that will be