across was that when the united states -- when the cia helped turkey capture the pkk's leader, abdullah ajulan this was part ever a plot to strent the pkk because he was no longer running off and tlfrn advanced this united states goal of creating a greater kurdistan. at the point where we are now genuinely supporting the pkk it is really hard to imagine how we overcome the amount of suspicion that's created. i'd say how do we solve this is above my pay grade but i'm afraid that's what you're paying me for. >> mostly they have been marginal since -- until 2013 protest. mr. erdogan and akp party, one of the things they really did very well was they were very realistic. they had really good relations with the eu. obviously they became the full candidate member and the relation with the u.s. although there were lots of up and down during the 2008, 7, 9, 10. every time always we have seen a crisis in the relations but mr. erdogan and his party never went for conspiracy stories until the protests. since then it kind of picked up and then for about four years now everything is explained by conspiracy