a lot of the politicians i dealt with weren't necessarily big fans of abe pollin. some of the stuff i wrote about him, quoting politicians often, wasn't that flattering. so abe and i didn't always have, you know, a buddy-buddy relationship, but i thought he was always very honest whenever i dealt with him and willing to answer questions, and also, and i don't know how much you dealt with him, ivan, because you came to town much later, but i think people would tell you, abe would get in your face if he disagreed with you. he would tell you, i think you were wrong. here's why i think you were wrong. here's why i did what i did. and i always respected that. i've always had respect for people, who if they don't like what you say or something you write, they came up to you and say i disagree, and abe never had a problem doing that. >> mike, you got to know him, wrote a lot about him. take me back to the michael jordan situation. you broke that story about michael jordan being let go of his duties as the front office -- was abe-- >> well, i got a call-- >> -- happy with y