the other man is abe rosenthal, who quickly succeeded daniel as managing editor and then under whom i worked for several years. c-span: what was he like? >> guest: oh, boy. he was tough. i--i have tremendous respect for rosenthal, although he finally got tired of me, too, and decided to make a change on the picture desk, which i didn't understand and never have, but--that's the great new york times building at 229 west 43rd street. but the presses no longer roar in the basement. c-span: what do you think of the new york times? >> guest: i think the new york times is today's--is the world's greatest newspaper. c-span: why? >> guest: it--i think it--it's the most conscientious. i'm not always happy with it. i am not happy with the--the job that the--that the times did and--and most of the press did on the lewinsky matter.